HCRealms Mafia - 'Arkham Riots' - Game Thread

[JacinB]

Before we begin, let's recap the rules (paraphrased from Peers' many wonderful games):

Things to remember:
1) A full writeup of the rules can be found here. (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page) This game will be more complicated than what's described there, as nearly everyone has some sort of 'special thing' about them. Doesn't mean everyone has a night power, but you never know...

2) When you vote, please do so by saying Vote: [Player] in bold. If you wish to change your vote, please say Change Vote: [Player] instead. Voting for 'Nobody' is a valid vote; if a majority votes for 'nobody' then nobody will be lynched and we'll move on to the Night phase.

3) If your role says you -may- PM me a target, you don't have to do anything at night. Even so, it'll speed things along quite a bit if you'd still just send me a PM saying "Not using my [whatever] power tonight, thanks."

4) If your role says you -must- PM me a target, and you do not? I'll pick one randomly. Or, perhaps, not-so-randomly. Don't blame me if you target someone who kills you.

5) You may NOT send a PM to anyone about this game unless your role explicitly says you can. This is cheating.

6) Do NOT edit your posts in this thread. This is cheating.

7) Please do not copy-and-paste anything from any PM I send you to the thread. This is also cheating.

8) Please do not post in this thread after you are killed. This, too, is cheating and can ruin the game if done wrong.

9) Cheaters don't get to play in any other Mafia games I run. Period.

10) Remember, it's just a game. You will get paranoid, you will be stabbed in the back by someone, you will see somebody do or say something stupid and want to smack them. Just breathe deep and relax. If things get out of hand, we do have a mod playing who will forcibly remind you to chill out if needed. It hasn't happened yet, and I'd like to keep it that way.

11) Quoth Tuttle: EXPECT ANYTHING!!!

PMs have already been sent out to everyone who'd expressed interest in playing.

We have 29 people competing in this game. They are (in the order they signed-up):
theanalogkid, Doombot 3.1, Rokk_Krinn, Melkhor, Antipathy, Jackofhearts2005, KitsuShel, batfink, scehaono, charlesx, lensnart, Peers, fathernson, m_a_caque, Amora's_best_friend, ReZourceman, CarlosMucha, Magnito, vicious x, JackAssterson, Thawmus, St-Dumas, biz567, DocDoom187, turdburglar47, TMNT99, sstralkowski, kontrol, and Iron Ham


Day One Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2935083&postcount=3)
Night One Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2936517&postcount=64)
Day Two Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2938692&postcount=526)
Night Two Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2944037&postcount=529)
Day Three Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2946898&postcount=1408)
Night Three Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2949126&postcount=1412)
Day Four Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2958519&postcount=1861)
Night Four Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2958519&postcount=1862)
Day Five Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2959477&postcount=2107)
Night Five Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2961582&postcount=2110)
Day Six Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2964278&postcount=2575)
Night Six Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2964278&postcount=2576)
Day Seven Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2969745&postcount=2795)
Night Seven Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2969745&postcount=2797)
Day Eight Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2970227&postcount=2860)
Night Eight Write-up (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=2970227&postcount=2861)

[Rokk_Krinn]

8) Please do not post in this thread after you are killed. This, too, is cheating and can ruin the game if done wrong.


So states the man who's done the "ghost" maneuver how many times now? :cheeky:

[JacinB]

“… so, you see, Commissioner Gordon, using a simple originally pioneered by Doctor Moon, we’ve managed to ‘modify,’ shall we say, the minds of some of Gotham’s most psychopathic killers. With this, we’ve managed to pacify and, very nearly, socialize them where more orthodox psychological treatments had failed,” Dr. Jeremiah Arkham said, standing on an observation balcony above the cafeteria where you and the Inmates are, rather peacefully, enjoying your lunches.

“Then, you’re saying that it’s safe to release these killers back onto the streets?” the Commissioner asked incredulously.

“Oh, no. No, no, no,” the doctor responded. “While we’ve managed to ‘erase’ most of their memories – making them forget who they are or, in some instances, the particulars of ‘why’ they do what they do – we’ve, thus far, been unsuccessful in removing their unique ‘urges’ altogether. They’re still, very much, in need of continued treatment. However, socialization and pacification of individuals as … ‘troubled’ as this group, is a major step toward their eventual rehabilitation.”

Dr. Jeremiah Arkham stepped back through the balcony's door, into the hallway, and started back toward his office with the Commissioner.

“I’m sure, once these individuals are ready for their release back into society, you will find them far more complacent …” you hear the doctor’s voice trail off as the doors close behind him.

Then a gunshot rings out – at least, you think it was a gunshot – somewhere outside the cafeteria. Then, two more.

Madness, something all too common in this facility, erupts.

You are nearly trampled as other inmates rush for the doors of the cafeteria, quickly overwhelming the guards, and then spilling out into long dark the corridors.

There’s more gunfire, as the guards attempt to retain control. An alarm sounds and, only desperate seconds before the crush of the crowd makes it to the outer doors of the facility and the freedom that lies beyond, the facility goes into lockdown.

Out of their cells, the inmates are free inside the Asylum. And, you intend to stay that way.

Rubbing the surgical scar on your temple, you take a moment to focus yourself. You try to remember the things the doctor said his ‘treatment’ had made you forget. To your surprise, you find that the simple things, things like your name, are quickly remembered.

Your name. If you can remember that, you can remember other things, too. Right? Like, who all of these other people are. Right?

You scan the crowding mass of people for a familiar face. A familiar …anything. But, you find nothing.

And, that’s when the paranoia hits.

You don’t know who any of these people are. You don’t know who, if anyone, you can trust. But, you do know that the alarm has been ringing for … how long has it been ringing for now?

It doesn’t matter, really. The alarm sounding means that the Batman will be here soon … that is, if he isn’t here already. Somewhere. Out there, in the shadows. Perhaps at the end of the corridor you find yourself standing in. And, he’ll be trying to put you in your cell again.

You decide it’s safest to go back to the cafeteria, where the others are. By the time you return, several of the others have already done some ‘exploring’, finding out what part of the facility is available, what they can exploit, where they can hide.

One of the cell blocks has been disabled, they say, allowing you a ‘private’ room to sleep in along with something resembling safety. The arboretum, the medical facilities, and the ‘museum’ that housed a number of weapons and gadgets – now looted – are also unlocked.

They’ve also brought back three things that catch your attention, lying on the table: a batarang, a mask that looks like Police Commissioner Gordon, and the dead body of the Asylum’s director.

JacinB is dead. He was Dr. Jeremiah Arkham, the keeper of the zoo.

Day One begins now …

Day One will end either 24 hours from now, or when a majority vote is reached. With 29 players, 15 is a majority.

[Doombot 3.1]

The usual first day vote:

VOTE: No Lynch

[Melkhor]

Let the madness begin! And honestly, haven't we already covered why "no lynch" votes are bad for us in all the other games we've played so far. No lynch = 0% chance of getting the Bat, or one of his friends.

We're supposed to be psychotic lunatics, so why don't we act like it for once?

[Magnito]

Agreed. To early to pick a target yet.
Vote: No Lynch

[Doombot 3.1]

Let the madness begin! And honestly, haven't we already covered why "no lynch" votes are bad for us in all the other games we've played so far. No lynch = 0% chance of getting the Bat, or one of his friends.

We're supposed to be psychotic lunatics, so why don't we act like it for once?

Fine.

Change vote: Melkhor

[Thawmus]

Why change old habits?

Vote: No Lynch

[Doombot 3.1]

Let the madness begin! And honestly, haven't we already covered why "no lynch" votes are bad for us in all the other games we've played so far. No lynch = 0% chance of getting the Bat, or one of his friends.

We're supposed to be psychotic lunatics, so why don't we act like it for once?

The arguments for first-day lynching are based, as I understand it, on various game theory analyses. Those look at "plain vanilla" Mafia-games, where there's 1 cop (or maybe no cop), some mafia members, and everybody else is a townie without powers. Under those circumstances, it makes sense to start lynching early because there are so few ways to get information.

That condition doesn't hold in the kinds of Mafia games on hcrealms where everybody has some kind of power. There are more opportunities to get information than in the plain-vanilla mafia games, and therefore, it makes some sense to wait and see what people find out. Also forcing people to roleclaim early may backfire by letting the mafia figure out who they need to target first. Unless, that's what Melkhor is trying to do ... ;)

[Amora's_best_friend]

Vote: No Lynch

[JacinB]

Keep in mind, also, that you're in a room full of psychotic killers that may or may not remember their own 'old habits'.

That said, there is potential for a whole lot of bloodshed come nightfall (or, heck, even a bit during the day ;)), and you might find that getting locked up again by the Batman might just be one of the more pleasant outcomes when all is said and done.

[Doombot 3.1]

Change vote: No lynch

[Rokk_Krinn]

Well, I doubt most people are going to be using their power during the day Doombot - not everyone is Night but enough that I feel it's safe to say that, right? - so waiting until Night for them to use their power isn't necessarily the best. It may provide more information but it also gives the Mafia a "free pick-off" of us.

[Antipathy]

I think this is pretty standard.

Vote: No Lynch

[Melkhor]

*sigh* Some habits just can't be broken I guess (and besides, Doombot does make a very valid point I hadn't really considered).

Alright then, let's get the predictable day one over with and see what the night may bring...

Vote: No Lynch

[JackAssterson]

Vote:

Beared guy with a great big ship,
Hack off the AH! with a rusty blade
Savor a lymph node, but bury the mpf,
Inch your way forward, but gouge out the eye.

What's the answer?

No lynch

[CarlosMucha]

I don't talk a lot.

but I will say this:

we HAVE to pick up someone to kill in the day.

we know what we have bats, rats and birrds between us and why will do nothing?

what kind of lunatic, killers, criminals and social rejects we will be is we don't kill sombedoy just for fun?

[JackAssterson]

Crud. :( Edit:

Bearded guy with a great big ship,
Hack off the AH! with a rusty blade
Savor a lymph node, but bury the mpf,
Inch your way forward, but gouge out the eye.

Same answer as previous post.

[Doombot 3.1]

Well, I doubt most people are going to be using their power during the day Doombot - not everyone is Night but enough that I feel it's safe to say that, right? - so waiting until Night for them to use their power isn't necessarily the best. It may provide more information but it also gives the Mafia a "free pick-off" of us.

The chances of getting a mafia member by randomly picking someone to lynch on the first day are going to be pretty low. To me, that's just not worth the risk of potentially outing a townie with an important or useful power.

[Antipathy]

I don't talk a lot.

but I will say this:

we HAVE to pick up someone to kill in the day.

we know what we have bats, rats and birrds between us and why will do nothing?

what kind of lunatic, killers, criminals and social rejects we will be is we don't kill sombedoy just for fun?

Because most of us aren't the serial killer? :cheeky:

[JacinB]

Current votes:
No Lynch (8): Doombot 3.1, Magnito, Thawmus, Amora's_best_friend, Antipathy, Melkhor, JackAssterson

[Rokk_Krinn]

The chances of getting a mafia member by randomly picking someone to lynch on the first day are going to be pretty low. To me, that's just not worth the risk of potentially outing a townie with an important or useful power.

No, but discussing and then going "No Lynch" at least makes a bit more sense then immediately going into "No Lynch" mode before much talking has been done.

Heck, I'm already wondering how Carlos is so certain there are Bats, Rats and Birdies...I was given the impression we're as much on the lookout from ourselves than the Bat's crew (or if there even is a Bat-crew as only Batman and sometimes Tim are pretty much in Gotham any more)...plus I suspect Gordon is out there somewhere too based on the initial write-up.

[Melkhor]

No, but discussing and then going "No Lynch" at least makes a bit more sense then immediately going into "No Lynch" mode before much talking has been done.

Heck, I'm already wondering how Carlos is so certain there are Bats, Rats and Birdies...I was given the impression we're as much on the lookout from ourselves than the Bat's crew (or if there even is a Bat-crew as only Batman and sometimes Tim are pretty much in Gotham any more)...plus I suspect Gordon is out there somewhere too based on the initial write-up.

I doubt Gordon would be in here personally, that's REALLY not his style is it?
Judging from the write-up, Dr. Arkham was killed by whoever was wearing the Gordon mask. I'd think that's the length of Jim's involvement on this case.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Well, Gordon is pretty "face-forward" - no pun intended - when it comes to getting Arkham under control so I was just figuring he'd be here. Still, being I was mainly just curious why Carlos is so certain of who's in the Mafia, I will agree to your point. :) If anything, if Carlos did get his information as part of a write-up - say he spied folks - it probably isn't best to make him admit it.

Now, if I get taken out by the Bat tonight, remember Carlos! :laugh:

[scehaono]

make it 9 votes for no lynchy
vote: no lynch

[lensnart]

I also hate to vote No Lynch, but with absolutely nothing to go on the odds are a lot better that we will take out one of our own.

Vote: No Lynch

[Rokk_Krinn]

Fair enough points and I don't think Carlos is going to answer (and maybe he shouldn't...I think maybe I'm just trying to stir up conversation because this is the only Mafia game in which I'm speaking :laugh: ).

Lynch Vote: No One...though JackAssterson was Tempting!

[Melkhor]

So, who do you guys think we've got as the serial killer this time? I suppose the Joker could be a possibility, but here on his home turf I kinda doubt it.

Maybe Lock-Up or Anarky?

[sstralkowski]

Let the madness begin! And honestly, haven't we already covered why "no lynch" votes are bad for us in all the other games we've played so far. No lynch = 0% chance of getting the Bat, or one of his friends.

We're supposed to be psychotic lunatics, so why don't we act like it for once?

Agreed. Vote: Melkhor:devious:

[Thawmus]

Fair enough points and I don't think Carlos is going to answer (and maybe he shouldn't...I think maybe I'm just trying to stir up conversation because this is the only Mafia game in which I'm speaking :laugh: ).

Lynch Vote: No One...though JackAssterson was Tempting!

Can we get a doc to protect Jack tonight??? :laugh:

[Doombot 3.1]

So, who do you guys think we've got as the serial killer this time? I suppose the Joker could be a possibility, but here on his home turf I kinda doubt it.

Maybe Lock-Up or Anarky?

Azrael or Jason Todd could also be serial killers.

Another thought that occured to me. Maybe Dr. Arkham's murderer is the vigilante. After all, his death seems to benefit the inmates more than anyone else.

[Peers]

Vote; Melkhor, just because I refuse to be part of a no-lynch opening.

[Peers]

Gah, can you tell I'm more used to running than playing?

Vote: Melkhor

[batfink]

If Arkham was killed by someone wearing a Gordon mask, perhaps he was killed by Flase-Face.
:rolleyes: Whaddya mean False Face was only created for the Adam West series? :noid:
Carlos already knows too much. However, everyone seems to want a bloodless day, so...
No Lynch for now...

[Jackofhearts2005]

Vote: Lynch Carlosmucha

I know a bat is coming and he'll probably bring his bird and maybe his cat, but I don't know what rats you're talking about.

*runs away*

[JacinB]

That brings the vote totals to ...

No Lynch (12):Doombot 3.1, Magnito, Thawmus, Amora's_best_friend, Antipathy, Melkhor, JackAssterson, scehaono, lensnart, Rokk_Krinn, batfink

Melkhor (2): sstralkowski, Peers

CarlosMucha (1): Jackofhearts2005

[CarlosMucha]

ok, sinse somebody already vote for me. if I die (or get lynch).

please keep a eye in this guys:

St-Dumas,
fathernson,
Peers,
vicious x,
Jackofhearts2005
batfink,

[CarlosMucha]

ok, maybe not batfink. it will be to obvius.

[CarlosMucha]

Vote: Lynch Carlosmucha

I know a bat is coming and he'll probably bring his bird and maybe his cat, but I don't know what rats you're talking about.

*runs away*


a cat can be our serial killer here, not me.

[CarlosMucha]

the cat and the bat have been always good friends.

[Jackofhearts2005]

ok, sinse somebody already vote for me. if I die (or get lynch).

please keep a eye in this guys:

St-Dumas,
fathernson,
Peers,
vicious x,
Jackofhearts2005
batfink,
Why?

Are we the crazy ones? :noid:

[CarlosMucha]

Why?

Are we the crazy ones? :noid:

we ALL are crazy here, don't you remember?

[JacinB]

Because most of us aren't the serial killer? :cheeky:
... are you sure?

'Most of us' might be. ;)

[Thawmus]

Vote; Melkhor, just because I refuse to be part of a no-lynch opening.

Me too. And I keep failing to forget my own starting tradition.

Vote: JacinB's corpse

[kontrol]

So, who do you guys think we've got as the serial killer this time? I suppose the Joker could be a possibility, but here on his home turf I kinda doubt it.

Maybe Lock-Up or Anarky?
Dude, it's frigging Arkham. If we don't have a Victor Zsasz, I'll be disappointed.

That said, I'm still of the mind that no lynch does us no favors. Yeah the odds skew towards getting a townie, but there is a 0% chance of getting the mafia with a no lynch vote.

And Peers, I don't think for a second that you don't know how to work this system

Vote: Peers

[Thawmus]

That should be, failing to remember....


See, Arkham's screwed with my brain so much, I can't even type anymore....


That's why his corpse needs a lynchin'

[CarlosMucha]

vote for Peers on the begining is really unfair.

he vote because he undestend the game very much. but he have never have fun playing the game until now.

don't kill the guy of the fun the first day ... or night.

[Jackofhearts2005]

we ALL are crazy here, don't you remember?
Maybe everybody is crazy but me. :cross-eye

*takes silverware from the cafeteria* :knockedou

[CarlosMucha]

Maybe everybody is crazy but me. :cross-eye

*takes silverware from the cafeteria* :knockedou

that made YOU a our pet.

but if we have to vote I will say:

Vote Lynch: Melkhor

[kontrol]

vote for Peers on the begining is really unfair.

he vote because he undestend the game very much. but he have never have fun playing the game until now.

don't kill the guy of the fun the first day ... or night.

Well, I'm pretty sure nobody's going to vote for Peers. I can randomly pick anyone, I don't think the runaway freight train called NO LYNCH, is going to be stopped by anything. Though I could just change my vote to Melkhor, he has a couple votes against him. Or you for that matter.

But most people are going to go No lynch anyway so what does it matter.

[turdburglar47]

Vote: No Lynch

[Thawmus]

Well, I'm pretty sure nobody's going to vote for Peers. I can randomly pick anyone, I don't think the runaway freight train called NO LYNCH, is going to be stopped by anything. Though I could just change my vote to Melkhor, he has a couple votes against him. Or you for that matter.

But most people are going to go No lynch anyway so what does it matter.

We can end the day phase faster. That's what it matters.

Vote Change: No Lynch

[JackAssterson]

vote for Peers on the begining is really unfair.

he vote because he undestend the game very much. but he have never have fun playing the game until now.

don't kill the guy of the fun the first day ... or night.

Voting for anyone on the first day has the same amount of fairness. Pro or con 1st day voting, it's not less fair for some and more fair for others.

[Thawmus]

Killing me on the first night has the same amount of fairness.

Fixed it. :laugh:

[CarlosMucha]

Well, I'm pretty sure nobody's going to vote for Peers. I can randomly pick anyone, I don't think the runaway freight train called NO LYNCH, is going to be stopped by anything. Though I could just change my vote to Melkhor, he has a couple votes against him. Or you for that matter.

But most people are going to go No lynch anyway so what does it matter.


I think we already have 3 votes for Melkhor.

sorry Melchor. can be unfair but sinse a few already vote for you, we have to get ride of possible a infiltrated batally.

[CarlosMucha]

Vote: No Lynch


you are here! good! remember the rules! :)

[CarlosMucha]

Voting for anyone on the first day has the same amount of fairness. Pro or con 1st day voting, it's not less fair for some and more fair for others.


ok, ok. Change Vote: No Lynch

[Thawmus]

I really don't appreciate having one of the few guys that usually sticks by me, and figures out why I'm doing what I'm doing, getting lynched before we have any information.

[turdburglar47]

you are here! good! remember the rules! :)


It's Arkham, baby. THERE ARE NO RULES.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Can we get a doc to protect Jack tonight??? :laugh:

Oh, please, like I'd be that obvious....besides, I always wait until the second evening before trying to cause problems for Jack. ;)

[charlesx]

Gah! This really is a confusing situation. I know it's going to sound...crazy, to say the least, but I says:

Vote: No Lynch.

[JacinB]

Day One has ended.

Though some were quick to cast aspersions on others, and a few were just blood-thirsty enough to want to kill someone, the majority of the inmates determined that it was better to not kill anyone that to risk losing someone who might later prove themselves useful.

Night One begins now. Get me your PMs ASAP, and we might just get into Night Two before we shut things down for the long weekend.

[JacinB]

We're still waiting on three people with 'may' powers to PM me. Remember, even if you don't plan to use your power, a PM stating such is still beneficial to everyone involved.

[JacinB]

Night One Write-Up
The first thought in your mind was that you’d never noticed just how dark this place could get.

Maybe it was because you hadn’t been so worried about what lurked in the shadows on other night. Or, maybe it was because, on other nights, the place was still lit with something other than sparse emergency lighting and the red, off-and-on-and-off-and-on glow of the alarm signals.

Thankfully, someone had managed to turn off the alarm buzzer so, maybe, you might be able to get some sleep ... though, you can’t help but wonder if someone remembered to lock up the steak knives.

* * * * *

In one of the darkened rooms on the medical wing, a woman looking for a something when she suddenly found the room darker than she’d expected. Her vision was still cloudy when she came to, and she was strapped to a chair.

“Very funny, now let’s get what we came for and get out of … wait, you’re not- aahhh!” By the ‘session’ ended, she was broken, and willing to tell him whatever he wanted to know. Luckily, he didn’t ask much.

* * * * *

In his cell, one of the world’s foremost assassins sat quietly, content that as long as he, at least, was safe. Unfortunately, others were also aware of his particular skills, and more than one of them had decided it was safer with him out of the picture. At least for the evening.

Smoke pellets dropped from the air duct were the first assault. A chemical in them left him disoriented enough that his attacker managed to get him tied up. “Don’t worry,” the attacker said, “We just wanted to make sure you didn’t cause any trouble tonight.” And, as quickly as the assault began, it was over.

* * * * *

“What day is it tomorrow?” the man asked himself, trying to think of something about it. “Ah, that’s right, tomorrow is-“

A gauntlet from the darkness cut his planning short. His unconscious body was thrown over a broad shoulder and carried quickly back through the shadows to an area of the prison where the prison cells were still working. He was thrown inside, and the cell was closed and locked.

However, on this night, he would have an unlikely reprieve.

As soon as his jailer disappeared, another man appeared; this one, inside the locked cell. Unable to carry the unconscious man, he, instead, dragged him back to where the assault occurred. When the man awoke the next morning, he would find he had a pounding headache but would be altogether unaware of how near he’d been to having his newfound freedom end.

* * * * *

She drew her blade, and steadied herself. She knew that he would be a formidable foe, but she was ready. She left her room, making her way quickly through the dark corridor. Quickly, down the hall, each step bringing her closer until one step hit ... ice?

In the darkness, she couldn’t be sure. But, as she slipped and fell, she lost her grip on her knife. It clattered away from her, across the hallway floor, and down a floor grate.

Tonight, apparently, was not her night.

* * * * *

Though it wasn’t for a lack of trying, the night had, thus far, been surprisingly free of carnage. Unfortunately for some, it would not stay that way ...

One man, able only to truly express his psychosis through a puppet, sat in his cell. Like the others, he thought he was safe. Right up until a shadow appeared at his door.

“Wesker,” the gravelly voice said.

“We figured you’d ge here soon. I’m no threat, Gatman. I’m unarmed.”

“I’m not Batman,” the man replied. “You’re not that lucky.”

Scarface didn’t feel the dagger that had slit Wesker’s throat, ending his life, he just found himself unable to speak. And then, as it had for so many mobsters before him, everything just faded to black.

But, from her cell across the hall, a woman, sitting silently in the darkness, saw everything.

* * * * *

Catwoman made her way down one of the darkened corridors. She was out of her element here, no doubt. But, when he came to her and asked for her help ... ? Well, it wasn’t like you could tell him no.

She had started her evening with simple observation. Reconnaissance. She just wanted to figure out who exactly they were dealing with. But, when she heard the laugh, against her better judgment, she decided to see where it was coming from.

She chased the shadow, the laugh, for what must’ve been an hour. At last, she’d caught up with him. She crouched down, unfastening the whip from her belt and ...

A blade, buried in her back, sent her sprawling across the floor.

Even before she’d finished breathing, the assassin withdrew the blade and carved another tally on his forearm. Then, he ran back to his own room, unaware of the man more dangerous than himself that Catwoman had been following.

Minutes later, the laughing man came back down the hallway. “Yoohoo. Shmoopsie. It’s rude to stop following me right after I finish setting the trap for ...” And, that’s when he discovered her body. “Ah, it would appear someone else beat me to the punch. Well, you won’t mind if I take a souvenir anyway, would you?” He reaches down a removes her goggles, and then puts them on himself. “Of course, you wouldn’t.”

He used his finger, and her blood, to write on the wall: “-B- I didn’t do it. But, I wanted to. -J-“ And, then he chuckled to himself as he headed back to his room.


Night One has ended.
Melkhor is dead. He was Arnold Wesker and Scarface, the one man who could make his vote count twice.
kontrol is dead. He was Catwoman, a Gotham Knight who, perhaps, should’ve reconsidered her affinity for black cats.

... and, vicious x has blood on his shirt.


Day Two has begun. It will end 24 hours from now, or when a consensus is reached. With 27 players remaining, 14 votes is a majority.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Cats cats, no more cats.

*steals bandaids from the medical room*

[scehaono]

so looks like we have the joker being followed by catwoman,
mr freeze dealilng with some woman (an assassin mayhaps?)
and i don't know enough about dc to begin to guess about the others...
though it seems we also have a male assassin in our midst

[Jackofhearts2005]

... and, vicious x has blood on his shirt.

:rolleyes:

*shrugs*

[Jackofhearts2005]

and i don't know enough about dc to begin to guess about the others...

The person who killed Catwoman was Victor Zsasz.

Joker and Zsasz both targeted her, though, it seems.

[St-Dumas]

So what do you guys make of the vicious_x blood dealy? Does it lead to his guiltiness or distract from someone else's?

[scehaono]

sounds like he's either the one that did the torturing of the lady in part 1, killed wesker, or killed catwoman

[Jackofhearts2005]

Since he's banned, DocDoom asked that I post this for him (We have not told each other our roles or talked about the game in any way.):

Vote: Jackofhearts2005

"vicious x being bloody cvould be becuz he was attacked last night, not because he attacked someone"

[scehaono]

or it could just be jacinb messing with all of our heads, and trying to get vicious_x killeded....

[Jackofhearts2005]

(We have not told each other our roles or talked about the game in any way.)
Other than him asking me to post his vote and that statement, of course.

[turdburglar47]

I'm guessing the assassin that was gassed was David Cain, Batgirl's father... or maybe Bane, gassed by Robin or Nightwing.

And Calendar Man, perhaps, was almost locked up by Batman, but saved by someone else - someone weak, possibly Mad Hatter or the Penguin?


The 'session' thing makes me think the woman what got beat up might be Harley Quinn?

Not sure if I'm doing this right.

[JackAssterson]

DoCToR JAcK'S preLImInARY AnALYsIs:

The first thought in your mind was that you’d never noticed just how dark this place could get.


Maybe it was because you hadn’t been so worried about what lurked in the shadows on other night. Or, maybe it was because, on other nights, the place was still lit with something other than sparse emergency lighting and the red, off-and-on-and-off-and-on glow of the alarm signals.

Thankfully, someone had managed to turn off the alarm buzzer so, maybe, you might be able to get some sleep ... though, you can’t help but wonder if someone remembered to lock up the steak knives.


Flavor, methinks
* * * * *

In one of the darkened rooms on the medical wing, a woman looking for a something (trapper/cop/mafia) when she suddenly found the room darker than she’d expected. Her vision was still cloudy when she came to, and she was strapped to a chair.

“Very funny, now let’s get what we came for and get out of … wait, you’re not- aahhh!” By the ‘session’ ended, (Hugo Strange? or perhaps and agent of the bat?) she was broken, and willing to tell him whatever he wanted to know. Luckily, he didn’t ask much.

* * * * *

In his cell, one of the world’s foremost assassins sat quietly, content that as long as he, at least, was safe. (passive power?) Unfortunately, others were also aware of his particular skills, and more than one of them had decided it was safer with him out of the picture. At least for the evening. (multiple attacks on person w/possible passive power)

Smoke pellets dropped from the air duct were the first assault. A chemical in them left him disoriented enough that his attacker managed to get him tied up. “Don’t worry,” the attacker said, “We just wanted to make sure you didn’t cause any trouble tonight.” And, as quickly as the assault began, it was over. (roleblocked by a bat?)

* * * * *

“What day is it tomorrow?” the man asked himself, trying to think of something about it. “Ah, that’s right, tomorrow is-“ (Calendar Man?)

A gauntlet from the darkness cut his planning short. His unconscious body was thrown over a broad shoulder and carried quickly back through the shadows to an area of the prison where the prison cells were still working. He was thrown inside, and the cell was closed and locked. (Calender Man? was going to be arrested)

However, on this night, he would have an unlikely reprieve.

As soon as his jailer (bat-mafia) disappeared, another man appeared; this one, inside the locked cell. (?) Unable to carry the unconscious man, he, instead, dragged him back to where the assault occurred. When the man awoke the next morning, he would find he had a pounding headache but would be altogether unaware of how near he’d been to having his newfound freedom end. (doctor saved his butt?)

* * * * *

She drew her blade, and steadied herself. She knew that he would be a formidable foe, but she was ready. She left her room, making her way quickly through the dark corridor. Quickly, down the hall, each step bringing her closer until one step hit ... ice? (mr. freeze?)

In the darkness, she couldn’t be sure. But, as she slipped and fell, she lost her grip on her knife. It clattered away from her, across the hallway floor, and down a floor grate.

Tonight, apparently, was not her night. (lady shiva? does she use a sword or just bruce lee stuff? talia? neither one seems like an Arkham regular, but I'm not counting anything out. anyhoo, sounds like a serial killer that failed)

* * * * *

Though it wasn’t for a lack of trying, the night had, thus far, been surprisingly free of carnage. Unfortunately for some, it would not stay that way ...

One man, able only to truly express his psychosis through a puppet, ( sat in his cell. Like the others, he thought he was safe. Right up until a shadow appeared at his door.

“Wesker,” the gravelly voice said.

“We figured you’d ge here soon. I’m no threat, Gatman. I’m unarmed.”

“I’m not Batman,” the man replied. “You’re not that lucky.”

Scarface didn’t feel the dagger that had slit Wesker’s throat, ending his life, he just found himself unable to speak. And then, as it had for so many mobsters before him, everything just faded to black.

But, from her cell across the hall, a woman, sitting silently in the darkness, saw everything. (tracker -- someone knows who killeb Wesker)

* * * * *

Catwoman made her way down one of the darkened corridors. She was out of her element here, no doubt. But, when he came to her and asked for her help ... ? Well, it wasn’t like you could tell him no.

She had started her evening with simple observation. Reconnaissance. She just wanted to figure out who exactly they were dealing with. (cop) But, when she heard the laugh, against her better judgment, she decided to see where it was coming from.

She chased the shadow, the laugh, for what must’ve been an hour. At last, she’d caught up with him. She crouched down, unfastening the whip from her belt and ...

A blade, buried in her back, sent her sprawling across the floor.

Even before she’d finished breathing, the assassin withdrew the blade and carved another tally on his forearm. (Mr. Zasz) Then, he ran back to his own room, unaware of the man more dangerous than himself that Catwoman had been following.

Minutes later, the laughing man came back down the hallway. “Yoohoo. Shmoopsie. It’s rude to stop following me right after I finish setting the trap for ...” And, that’s when he discovered her body. “Ah, it would appear someone else beat me to the punch. Well, you won’t mind if I take a souvenir anyway, would you?” He reaches down a removes her goggles, and then puts them on himself. “Of course, you wouldn’t.”

He used his finger, and her blood, to write on the wall: “-B- I didn’t do it. But, I wanted to. -J-“ (Joker, who's also probably a serial killer making a possible three that I count) And, then he chuckled to himself as he headed back to his room.


Night One has ended.
Melkhor is dead. He was Arnold Wesker and Scarface, the one man who could make his vote count twice.
kontrol is dead. He was Catwoman, a Gotham Knight who, perhaps, should’ve reconsidered her affinity for black cats.

... and, vicious x has blood on his shirt. (vicious x is probably involved in one of the violent instances, unless something weird is going on behind the scenes)

[vicious x]

The person who killed Catwoman was Victor Zsasz.

Joker and Zsasz both targeted her, though, it seems.

Vicious X has a nice kitty cat scare on his wrist,... MMWWAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

:devious:

[Rokk_Krinn]

You know, Carlos said something yesterday - which I wanted to quiz him on but didn't get to before the thread closed - that, despite my earlier teasing, now leave me wondering a bit.

St-Dumas,
fathernson,
Peers,
vicious x,
Jackofhearts2005
batfink

That was a -very- specific list, Carlos and one that included a fair number of people that I don't see why you would have mentioned. Considering I was the one teasing you about the "Bats, Rats, Birds" - and the Rats still seem a bit...interesting...as well - and didn't appear on the list but those folks did, I'm left wondering: why did you already have a list of suspects? Not asking for a roleclaim but you were already homing in on some targets (and weren't suspicious of other individuals - perhaps teammates - as well).

[Rokk_Krinn]

Vicious X has a nice kitty cat scare on his wrist,... MMWWAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHA

:devious:

Did you basically just admit to being Zsasz and thus, very likely, a serial killer? No offense, but of the fellow inmates I would trust to -not- go around attacking our own forces, Zsasz springs to mind more than the Joker (who has shown a willingness to work with others; heck as they said in "Infinite Crisis", it's best to let the Joker play in a game...meaning he does do so. Zsasz just kills to strengthen himself.)

[sstralkowski]

Well with 3 killers and one person capturing each night, I think it's wise to at least TRY and lynch someone today. Let's be sure we're not lynching anyone crazy though. Those bats don't need any more help than they already have.

[m_a_caque]

... and, vicious x has blood on his shirt.



sounds to me like a killer or a witness to a killing that was too frightened to do anything about it. if he's going to let a killer off us, what else won't or more importantly will he do? i think we need to stick together and act rather than just stand by and get picked off.

[sstralkowski]

Anyone want to throw the first name out there? I've got no leads.

[sstralkowski]

Did you basically just admit to being Zsasz and thus, very likely, a serial killer? No offense, but of the fellow inmates I would trust to -not- go around attacking our own forces, Zsasz springs to mind more than the Joker (who has shown a willingness to work with others; heck as they said in "Infinite Crisis", it's best to let the Joker play in a game...meaning he does do so. Zsasz just kills to strengthen himself.)

Rokk, I think it's entirely possible that we've got more than one Serial Killer. Maybe I misunderstood you, but I got the impression that you thought the Joker may be town aligned.

I also found it odd that the arbouratum was left open in Jacin's original write-up. Semms like a good place for Ivy to hide.

[sstralkowski]

semms=seems.............

[theanalogkid]

I am just glad to be here. I thought Firefly would have torch the place by now.And with Scarface having 2 votes, does that leave 2 Face out of this game? Or maybe he is here with a different power?

[sstralkowski]

I am just glad to be here. I thought Firefly would have torch the place by now.And with Scarface having 2 votes, does that leave 2 Face out of this game? Or maybe he is here with a different power?

Maybe he can't choose his lynch vote target. It's gotta be something to do with targetting being out of his hands even if it's not lynch related. Maybe he chooses 2 targets and it's random which he hits?

[theanalogkid]

That would be cool, SS.

[sstralkowski]

Possible that he's a lawyer. I can't believe I missed that before.

[theanalogkid]

Duh! You are right again, SS.

[sstralkowski]

Any speculation on what heroes we're dealing with? We already know we've got Batman. And Catwoman is dead. Think we'll have Robin AND Nightwing or just one? Maybe Spoiler is a Bodyguard since she seems to like dying?

[sstralkowski]

Personally, I'd think Nightwing was the roleblocker and Robin was the tracker.

[theanalogkid]

That sounds right, SS. Any leads besides the obvious one?

[sstralkowski]

Nope.


.......

[Thawmus]

I miss having a tracking power. :ermm:

In any case, I think it'd be just awesome if the woman who watched a murder take place would speak up. A fellow villain died last night.

Which means that we can get a tracker to rally behind, and get a doc to protect them right away.

SPEAK UP!

[fathernson]

Wow, I'm confused already! :)

This being my first game, is there a place where I can go to find out more information about what "trackers", "lawyers", "serial killers", etc. mean and get to do?

[sstralkowski]

Wow, I'm confused already! :)

This being my first game, is there a place where I can go to find out more information about what "trackers", "lawyers", "serial killers", etc. mean and get to do?

Mafiascum.net

[sstralkowski]

Better yet. go here (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Category:Roles).

[JacinB]

And, keep in mind that, while your roles are based off of those roles, most have a bit of a 'crazy' twist to them.

[charlesx]

Given that we are in Arkham, making it through the night is a feat all by itself. Who knows how many serial killers are out there???? I also have nothing. The one thing I can say is that fact that viciousx has blood on his shirt is almost too obvious. I can't say that I buy into it for the time being.

[sstralkowski]

Given that we are in Arkham, making it through the night is a feat all by itself. Who knows how many serial killers are out there????

From the write-up, we can assume there are at least 3 night killers and a mafia hit. The killers' alignment is really up in the air.

[Thawmus]

Vicious, we need some serious answers here, man.

[Iron Ham]

Given that we are in Arkham, making it through the night is a feat all by itself. Who knows how many serial killers are out there???? I also have nothing. The one thing I can say is that fact that viciousx has blood on his shirt is almost too obvious. I can't say that I buy into it for the time being. Yeah, it reminds me of what happened to Doc night 1 of my game...

[Doombot 3.1]

Night One Write-Up

Though it wasn’t for a lack of trying, the night had, thus far, been surprisingly free of carnage. Unfortunately for some, it would not stay that way ...

One man, able only to truly express his psychosis through a puppet, sat in his cell. Like the others, he thought he was safe. Right up until a shadow appeared at his door.

“Wesker,” the gravelly voice said.

“We figured you’d ge here soon. I’m no threat, Gatman. I’m unarmed.”

“I’m not Batman,” the man replied. “You’re not that lucky.”

Scarface didn’t feel the dagger that had slit Wesker’s throat, ending his life, he just found himself unable to speak. And then, as it had for so many mobsters before him, everything just faded to black.

But, from her cell across the hall, a woman, sitting silently in the darkness, saw everything.



Emphasis added.

Someone knows who killed Scarface, ie, the identity of someone who might well be a serial killer (perhaps Jason Todd? Azrael?). They need to speak up.

[batfink]

I don't think Carlos has any information, hes just guessing.

I think Scarface was killed by Azbats, but have no proof.

Vicious could be the witness.

Someone with a blade slipped on ice. Katana role blocked by Mr. Freeze?

Wasn't someone mistaken for the Bat.

Thawmus, I'm a n00b, but isn't it too early to ask people to role claim?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Rokk, I think it's entirely possible that we've got more than one Serial Killer. Maybe I misunderstood you, but I got the impression that you thought the Joker may be town aligned.


No, you understand me correctly. Arkham is Joker's house - and the inmates are the "townies" in this case (aka: the non-Mafia) - and he -does- team-up with and play well with others. I could see the Joker as a Vigilante but I don't suspect him to be the Serial Killer (picking folks off just for the heck of it) as I would someone like Zsasz. Long as Vicious X has already gone and roleclaimed - he says he got a scratch from the Kitty Cat (that could only be the person who killed her) - I don't feel it's wrong for me to ask more from him.

[Rokk_Krinn]

The one thing I can say is that fact that viciousx has blood on his shirt is almost too obvious. I can't say that I buy into it for the time being.

It's not that he has the blood on his shirt - if anything I would have felt that misdirection - but the fact that he then posted that he has a "kitty cat scratch" on him and was gleeful about it. -That- is why I feel he wasn't the witness but the killer.

I'm probably still too "Silver Agey" here but I don't consider Catwoman necessarily on the side of the heroes. Help them out sometimes if it's to her advantage? Yeah. An actual member of the Bat's crew? Not really. That means her death may have been a Neutral death or she could have been working for, say, one of the inmates (it's been suggested that the world's top assassin - Deathstroke...though David Cain might make more sense? - is here and I could easily see Catwoman allied with him). I'm not ready to chalk her death up to a victory against the Mafia until we know more and Vicious X boasting that he took her down makes him the person to ask.

As for Carlos "just guessing", that was a pretty specific list - and as noted, didn't include the people he's normally cautious of like Thawmus or I - he brought up; -him- I don't want to press too hard - he hasn't roleclaimed like Vicioux X - but I am curious why he picked those specific people.

[m_a_caque]

... and, vicious x has blood on his shirt.


what if vicious x is the lady that sat in the dark watching the man die and the blood spattered on him from the other cell.

ladies in arkham?

[batfink]

Ladies in Arkham?

Lets see:
Poison Ivy
Harley Quinn
Shiva

see lots.

Someone also interigated a female.

[sstralkowski]

Anyone else smell the Jester? ;)

[TMNT99]

Question, would you guys be more concerned about someone who left their cell or somone who stayed their all night?

[sstralkowski]

Question, would you guys be more concerned about someone who left their cell or somone who stayed their all night?

Depends, however the mafia don't often seem to have defensive powers or no powers at all. If someone did nothing, they're most likely townie aligned. Taking action would mean they had a chance of beign the killers or the mafia, but not necessarily the bad guys since so many people have powers in this game.

[sstralkowski]

By "bad guys" I mean mafia.

[Doombot 3.1]

It's not that he has the blood on his shirt - if anything I would have felt that misdirection - but the fact that he then posted that he has a "kitty cat scratch" on him and was gleeful about it. -That- is why I feel he wasn't the witness but the killer.


Agreed. Based on his "cat scratch" comment, I'd say that vicious is Szasz. The question is whether he's a vigilante or a serial killer. Obviously, he will say that he's the vigilante if pressed, but it occurs to me that a serial killer could conceivably pass himself off as a vigilante. However, given that vicious has taken out a Gotham Knight (and it seems to me pretty clear that Catwoman was on Batman's side), I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.

While all of this attention has been paid to vicious, there's something else that's been overshadowed. Someone saw who killed Scarface last night. Scarface's killer could very well be the serial killer (remember Scarface first mistook him for Batman, which suggests that this killer is not on the inmates' side--I think Jason Todd is probably the most likely candidate, but that's really more a gut feeling than anything). In any event, I would be very interested to hear from whoever witnessed Scarface's murder.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Anyone else smell the Jester? ;)

Not really. Just because you and possibly M_A have used a Jester doesn't mean everyone will; I'm not even sure JacinB likes the idea of the role and enough people have expressed annoyance with it. That and there aren't really a lot of Arkham characters whom it would fit (despite the Jester/Lunacy thing, the whole "Wants to die to suddenly becomes uber-powerful and wins" would only fit, maybe Faustus...who was all too mortal as it turned out.)

[CarlosMucha]

I really don't thik what the Joker or Z are the serial killers.

[CarlosMucha]

but I may be wrong.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Agreed. Based on his "cat scratch" comment, I'd say that vicious is Szasz. The question is whether he's a vigilante or a serial killer. Obviously, he will say that he's the vigilante if pressed, but it occurs to me that a serial killer could conceivably pass himself off as a vigilante. However, given that vicious has taken out a Gotham Knight (and it seems to me pretty clear that Catwoman was on Batman's side), I'm inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt for now.


Eh, I don't think it's -that- clear if Catwoman was on Batman's side or not - she certainly wouldn't be a traditional member of the crew and is normally a Bat-Villain, not a Gotham Knight - but more likely Neutral. Let's be honest though, unless someone fed Vicious some information -any- kills last night were blind strikes (which means the person who took out Ventriloquist is likely an Inmate that made a bad choice). Frankly, I'm not sure but I think both deaths last night were a victory for the Mafia.

Basically, if Vicious committed the killing as he's stating, than Vicious is either a Serial Killer who doesn't care whom he kills, a Vigilante that just thought it would be cool to use his power (making him a little too wildcard for my tastes), or has a power like he did as the Rattler which, again, makes him Wildcard and wanting to just drop characters - Inmates or otherwise - to further himself.

[TMNT99]

Depends, however the mafia don't often seem to have defensive powers or no powers at all. If someone did nothing, they're most likely townie aligned. Taking action would mean they had a chance of beign the killers or the mafia, but not necessarily the bad guys since so many people have powers in this game.

However, wouldn't the mafia don never leave his cell?

[TMNT99]

Eh, I don't think it's -that- clear if Catwoman was on Batman's side or not - she certainly wouldn't be a traditional member of the crew and is normally a Bat-Villain, not a Gotham Knight - but more likely Neutral. Let's be honest though, unless someone fed Vicious some information -any- kills last night were blind strikes (which means the person who took out Ventriloquist is likely an Inmate that made a bad choice). Frankly, I'm not sure but I think both deaths last night were a victory for the Mafia.

Basically, if Vicious committed the killing as he's stating, than Vicious is either a Serial Killer who doesn't care whom he kills, a Vigilante that just thought it would be cool to use his power (making him a little too wildcard for my tastes), or has a power like he did as the Rattler which, again, makes him Wildcard and wanting to just drop characters - Inmates or otherwise - to further himself.

I'd disagree, Catwoman is obviously a prime person to be on the Knights Team, and I think it's cleary expressed she was "Mafia". Whoever killed Catwoman is most likely a vigilante, and is probably on our side.

[CarlosMucha]

possible/confirmed list of characters on the game (not counting deads):

Joker
Zsasz
Batman
Robin
Nightwing

Arkam: Penguin, Riddler, Poison Ivy ,The Scarecrow
Bats: Oracle, Batgirl, Batwoman, The Question II, Talia, Huntres,

posible list of characters on the game.

Doodlebug
Everard Mallitt
Fidel Finnegan
Floronic Man
Humpty Dumpty
Jane Doe
Jean Loring
Junkyard Dog
Kryppen
Lunkhead
Martin "Mad Dog" Hawkins
Professor Ivo
Professor Powder
Abattoir
Amygdala
Bane
Black Mask
The Cavalier
Clayface (Basil Karlo, Matt Hagen, Preston Payne, and Shondra Fuller)
Cornelius Stirk
Doctor Double X
Doctor Phosphorus
Film Freak
Firefly
Harley Quinn
Hugo Strange
Hush
Killer Croc
Killer Moth
Lock-Up
The Mad Hatter
Magpie
Maxie Zeus
Mr. Freeze
Professor Milo
Santa Klaus
Tweedledum and Tweedledee
Warren White
Ambush Bug
Bradberry
Death Rattle
Dr. Destiny

and 3 more.

[Doombot 3.1]

Eh, I don't think it's -that- clear if Catwoman was on Batman's side or not - she certainly wouldn't be a traditional member of the crew and is normally a Bat-Villain, not a Gotham Knight - but more likely Neutral. Let's be honest though, unless someone fed Vicious some information -any- kills last night were blind strikes (which means the person who took out Ventriloquist is likely an Inmate that made a bad choice). Frankly, I'm not sure but I think both deaths last night were a victory for the Mafia.

Basically, if Vicious committed the killing as he's stating, than Vicious is either a Serial Killer who doesn't care whom he kills, a Vigilante that just thought it would be cool to use his power (making him a little too wildcard for my tastes), or has a power like he did as the Rattler which, again, makes him Wildcard and wanting to just drop characters - Inmates or otherwise - to further himself.

I think the write-up makes it clear that Catwoman was working with Batman. First, it states: "But, when he came to her and asked for her help ... ? Well, it wasn’t like you could tell him no." That suggests strongly that Batman asked for her help. Also, Catwoman has worked with Batman on numerous occasions; indeed, she's set to join his Outsider team according to the previews. Finally, the write-up identifies her as a Gotham Knight. I'd say that it's pretty clear that Catwoman was not on the inmates' side.

I agree that we should keep an eye on vicious. He definitely did us a favor by taking out Catwoman. But that may just have been luck of the draw, and it doesn't tell us whether he's a vigilante who's reckless with his targeting, a serial killer who wins when he's the last one alive, or somebody else entirely. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt so long as he sticks to killing Bat Allies.

[TMNT99]

I assume Batman is the "Don"

Robin is probably the "Role blocker"

Catwoman was their tracker.

Nightwing is probably their "Cop"

However, one thing that bugs me was that no one "arrested" they were killed

Which is so un-like the Knights, even Catwoman. The only one that fits is Azrael.

But maybe it's not supposed to be thematic in that way.

[CarlosMucha]

"be arrested" can be die in this game?

[TMNT99]

I agree that we should keep an eye on vicious. He definitely did us a favor by taking out Catwoman. But that may just have been luck of the draw, and it doesn't tell us whether he's a vigilante who's reckless with his targeting, a serial killer who wins when he's the last one alive, or somebody else entirely. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt so long as he sticks to killing Bat Allies.

I think Vicious probably had some night power that allowed him to auto-kill however was tracking them. Or that he could kill someone himself.

However the drawback was that he would be tainted with blood, incriminating him... or as a way of pointing him out to Mafia.

Much like Wolverine had a drawback in Peers' Mafia one.

Having blood on him, doesn't mean he's Mafia by any means.

[sstralkowski]

Not really. Just because you and possibly M_A have used a Jester doesn't mean everyone will; I'm not even sure JacinB likes the idea of the role and enough people have expressed annoyance with it. That and there aren't really a lot of Arkham characters whom it would fit (despite the Jester/Lunacy thing, the whole "Wants to die to suddenly becomes uber-powerful and wins" would only fit, maybe Faustus...who was all too mortal as it turned out.)

Just throwing the idea out there. I have grown to HATE the role as well, but that doesn't mean other also have. I'm just giving us options to ponder.

[Doombot 3.1]

I'd disagree, Catwoman is obviously a prime person to be on the Knights Team, and I think it's cleary expressed she was "Mafia". Whoever killed Catwoman is most likely a vigilante, and is probably on our side.

While I agree that Catwoman was mafia, I don't think that we can take it for granted that her killer is on our side.

Her killer could be a serial killer who wins if he's the last one standing. He could easily have picked kontrol at random, and we just happened to benefit because he happened to be mafia. That doesn't put Catwoman's killer on our side; it just means that the inmates lucked out from the serial killer's choice of targets.

As I've said before, I'm willing to give vicious the benefit of the doubt, but he needs to stick to killing Bat Allies.

[sstralkowski]

However, wouldn't the mafia don never leave his cell?

If you track the don you'll see who he ordered the hit on.

[Doombot 3.1]

I assume Batman is the "Don"

Robin is probably the "Role blocker"

Catwoman was their tracker.

Nightwing is probably their "Cop"

However, one thing that bugs me was that no one "arrested" they were killed

Which is so un-like the Knights, even Catwoman. The only one that fits is Azrael.

But maybe it's not supposed to be thematic in that way.

But someone was captured and put into a cell. Then someone else dragged them from the cell.

I take that to mean that the Bat Mafia arrested someone. But their target was rescued by the doctor.

[Rokk_Krinn]

However, wouldn't the mafia don never leave his cell?

Why would Batman have a cell? :confused:

[sstralkowski]

Nightwing is probably their "Cop"

The mafia is already informed of their allies. A cop on their team would be almost useless.

[CarlosMucha]

Why would Batman have a cell? :confused:

Batman has been in disguise on Arkhan several times before.

[Doombot 3.1]

I think Vicious probably had some night power that allowed him to auto-kill however was tracking them. Or that he could kill someone himself.

However the drawback was that he would be tainted with blood, incriminating him... or as a way of pointing him out to Mafia.

Much like Wolverine had a drawback in Peers' Mafia one.

Having blood on him, doesn't mean he's Mafia by any means.

I don't know what the deal with vicious is, but I don't think he's mafia. (If he were mafia, why on earth would he kill a Gotham Knight?) I think he might be an independent, instead of an inmate. I don't know that he's an independent serial killer, nor can I rule out the possibility that he is a vigilante.

The write-up also has Catwoman tracking Joker, not vicious (szasz). It was Szasz who was going after Catwoman, not the other way around. Therefore, vicious (Szasz) didn't kill Catwoman through some sort of track-me-and-you-die power; he targeted her for a kill.

I also don't remember Wolverine having a drawback in that mafia game, but I may be wrong.

[Rokk_Krinn]

indeed, she's set to join his Outsider team according to the previews. Finally, the write-up identifies her as a Gotham Knight. I'd say that it's pretty clear that Catwoman was not on the inmates' side.

Well, this takes place before current DC comics as Wesker was alive for the game (and has been dead in comics for months) so I wouldn't have taken the Outsiders bit too much. However, I had missed it specifying her as Gotham Knights which, yeah, cinches her as a member of the Mob.

Which means Vicious got lucky or was fed info. So assuming we have reason to believe he isn't the Serial Killer - and thus a threat to us - or building up his own power by anyone's death (even if he's an Inmate, a'la the Rattler) - I'll gladly back off. Zsasz kills a single Inmate though and I feel the deals off.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Carlos to explain his very specific list of suspects...especially since being Kontrol (Catwoman) wasn't one of them, I can't say it looks like he was trying to have us suspect any Gotham Knights if he got taken out.

[CarlosMucha]

I don't know what the deal with vicious is, but I don't think he's mafia. (If he were mafia, why on earth would he kill a Gotham Knight?) I think he might be an independent, instead of an inmate. I don't know that he's an independent serial killer, nor can I rule out the possibility that he is a vigilante.

The write-up also has Catwoman tracking Joker, not vicious (szasz). It was Szasz who was going after Catwoman, not the other way around. Therefore, vicious (Szasz) didn't kill Catwoman through some sort of track-me-and-you-die power; he targeted her for a kill.

I also don't remember Wolverine having a drawback in that mafia game, but I may be wrong.


but why he is roleproclaiming himself?

[CarlosMucha]

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Carlos to explain his very specific list of suspects...especially since being Kontrol (Catwoman) wasn't one of them, I can't say it looks like he was trying to have us suspect any Gotham Knights if he got taken out.


I just can say 1479521R x2

but I may be wrong.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Honestly though, I still want to know why Vicious is boasting about off'ing Catwoman. That still comes across as misdirection as if he -is- the Vigilante, why on Earth would you expose yourself to the Knights like that?

[Doombot 3.1]

but why he is roleproclaiming himself?

Well, being found with blood spattered on your clothing tends to put you in the hotseat. Certainly, there were quite a few people calling upon him to explain what he was doing last night.

[CarlosMucha]

Honestly though, I still want to know why Vicious is boasting about off'ing Catwoman. That still comes across as misdirection as if he -is- the Vigilante, why on Earth would you expose yourself to the Knights like that?


exactly.


(filler)

[Rokk_Krinn]

I just can say 1479521R x2

but I may be wrong.

You can say more than that. You're choosing not to do so. You gave us a list of apparently - being Kontrol wasn't on it - non-Gotham Knights people as "lynch targets" before we'd even hit the first Night Phase. Why them and not, say, Thawmus or I who usually "pick" on you?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Well, being found with blood spattered on your clothing tends to put you in the hotseat. Certainly, there were quite a few people calling upon him to explain what he was doing last night.

There are a lot better roles to claim than Vigilante because that would make you prime target #1 for the Gotham Knights.

[Doombot 3.1]

Which means Vicious got lucky or was fed info. So assuming we have reason to believe he isn't the Serial Killer - and thus a threat to us - or building up his own power by anyone's death (even if he's an Inmate, a'la the Rattler) - I'll gladly back off. Zsasz kills a single Inmate though and I feel the deals off.

Meanwhile, I'm still waiting for Carlos to explain his very specific list of suspects...especially since being Kontrol (Catwoman) wasn't one of them, I can't say it looks like he was trying to have us suspect any Gotham Knights if he got taken out.

Agreed about Vicious. He needs to stick to the Bat Allies.

I really don't know what's up with Carlos' list.

[CarlosMucha]

You can say more than that. You're choosing not to do so. You gave us a list of apparently - being Kontrol wasn't on it - non-Gotham Knights people as "lynch targets" before we'd even hit the first Night Phase. Why them and not, say, Thawmus or I who usually "pick" on you?


the last option. but sinse I'm alive that list is maybe not useful anymore.

soo, let back to the point what somebody in our side saw everthing last night and is not talking.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Just to specify: I'm not asking for role-claiming nor am I calling for a lynch. Just that there's some awfully odd activity - Arkham or not (as we're not acting "in character" in our posts I don't think) - I'd like some more information on, especially from Vicious for roleclaiming like he wants to misdirect the doctor towards him.

[CarlosMucha]

oh. and still:

1479521R x2

[Rokk_Krinn]

the last option. but sinse I'm alive that list is maybe not useful anymore.

soo, let back to the point what somebody in our side saw everthing last night and is not talking.

? That's a bit like trying to dodge an answer there Carlos... :)

[CarlosMucha]

? That's a bit like trying to dodge an answer there Carlos... :)


nop nop.

but we are in GREAT danger. (I hope not me because have a lot of fun things to do in the game).

But if I guess the worst villian (serial killer?) we will be in great danger "tomorrow".

[CarlosMucha]

We ALL will be in great danger.

[Doombot 3.1]

There are a lot better roles to claim than Vigilante because that would make you prime target #1 for the Gotham Knights.

I'd say prime target #1 for the Gotham Knights is the cop, or possibly the doctor. A vigilante who's firing blind is, in my opinion, lower on the Gotham Knight's to-do list, because the odds that he'll randomly target an inmate are much higher.

However, I'd say there are several good reasons for vicious to roleclaim as the vigilante:

1. There were people calling on him to explain what he was doing. This was only natural, given the write-up. It would have looked a lot more suspicious if he had not roleclaimed. And the mention of "blood" makes it clear that he was involved in one of the night's killing. Vigilante is the role that best fits the facts and is least likely to result in a lynching. It makes sense for vicious to claim to be a vigilante either because he is one or because telling people he's the serial killer isn't likely to be a good strategy.

2. Roleclaiming as the vigilante also lets vicious signal the doctor that he wants protection. Unless the doctor knows who the cop is, he might well choose to protect the vigilante.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Or if Vicious is a Gotham Knight that was tracking - and watched the killing - and wants the doctor to waste time protecting him so the Knights don't have their captor freed as it appears happened last night.

I still would think Vigilante would be high on the Knight's list because outside of lynching or "self-defense" powers (or Serial Killers) that's the only way for them to be removed...I remember the second I was revealed as Vigilante in one game I was gone that very night. So, I admit, some personal bias here in believing it's a bad role to try and claim when it would be easier to say "tracker/cop"-style (as there are so many differing versions of them that doesn't trap you much).

[fathernson]

oh. and still:

1479521R x2

I have no idea what that means. Is that a Batman fan thing? I'm a Marvel guy. For whatever reason, I don't catch the reference.

[Iron Ham]

I also don't remember Wolverine having a drawback in that mafia game, but I may be wrong. He was a tracker and a nightkiller. If he killed, everyone would know he had (literally) blood on his hands.


I was on his team, I know these things ;)

[Doombot 3.1]

I have no idea what that means. Is that a Batman fan thing? I'm a Marvel guy. For whatever reason, I don't catch the reference.

You're not the only one.

[Rokk_Krinn]

He was a tracker and a nightkiller. If he killed, everyone would know he had (literally) blood on his hands.


I was on his team, I know these things ;)

Which fits Zsasz - he marks himself after each kill - being bloody after killing someone...so the big question is "Why admit it?" and "Is he serial killer or vigilante?" (that one, at least, I'm willing to give him benefit of the doubt provided he doesn't off one of us tonight).

[Doombot 3.1]

Or if Vicious is a Gotham Knight that was tracking - and watched the killing - and wants the doctor to waste time protecting him so the Knights don't have their captor freed as it appears happened last night.

I still would think Vigilante would be high on the Knight's list because outside of lynching or "self-defense" powers (or Serial Killers) that's the only way for them to be removed...I remember the second I was revealed as Vigilante in one game I was gone that very night. So, I admit, some personal bias here in believing it's a bad role to try and claim when it would be easier to say "tracker/cop"-style (as there are so many differing versions of them that doesn't trap you much).

I can't rule out the possibility that it's an ploy to make the doctor waste his protection ability. In all fairness, I may be showing some personal bias--in the games I've played where I was mafia, I was much, much more concerned with getting the cop and doctor than dealing with the vigilante.

[CarlosMucha]

I have no idea what that means. Is that a Batman fan thing? I'm a Marvel guy. For whatever reason, I don't catch the reference.


yes. is a Batman thing.

[Doombot 3.1]

He was a tracker and a nightkiller. If he killed, everyone would know he had (literally) blood on his hands.


I was on his team, I know these things ;)

Iron Ham is Layla Miller! He knows things! :laugh:

[Rokk_Krinn]

yes. is a Batman thing.

S'okay, Carlos, I think I'm following you now especially after reading the write-up. I'll gladly back off.

[Iron Ham]

Iron Ham is Layla Miller! He knows things! :laugh: Who's that?

*google fu*

[Doombot 3.1]

Who's that?

*google fu*

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Layla_Miller

[sstralkowski]

I'm with Rokk, anyone who roleclaims that easily is usually lying. His story makes too much sense which mean it is too convenient and stinks of a cover rather than the truth. Just my hunch. It's possible that he's the mafia hitman and got blood on him from the Ventriloquist so he made the story up to try and blend in with us townies.

[Peers]

Well, that was... disturbing, yet not entirely useless... not entirely.

If viciousx did kill Catwoman, let's keep him alive. If he killed Scarface, let's lynch him.

Why did he mention the cat-scratch? to make himself seem useful. I think he killed Scarface.

Vote: Vicious X

[sstralkowski]

Well, that was... disturbing, yet not entirely useless... not entirely.

If viciousx did kill Catwoman, let's keep him alive. If he killed Scarface, let's lynch him.

Why did he mention the cat-scratch? to make himself seem useful. I think he killed Scarface.

Vote: Vicious X

My sentiments exactly. Vote : viciousX

[Doombot 3.1]

I'm with Rokk, anyone who roleclaims that easily is usually lying. His story makes too much sense which mean it is too convenient and stinks of a cover rather than the truth. Just my hunch. It's possible that he's the mafia hitman and got blood on him from the Ventriloquist so he made the story up to try and blend in with us townies.

That's possible, although it seems odd for something like that to be mentioned in the write-up. The Mafia has real problems when the write-up points to them like that.

In theory, it should be quite easy to confirm whether vicious killed Ventriloquist. The write-up states that someone saw Ventriloquist's murder. That person can tell us whether it was vicious.

[charlesx]

Here's the deal - whether he meant to come across this way or not, viciousx smacks of being a serial killer. As such, we would hope that he'd stick to Bat Allies, but he really is a loose cannon. His win condition could be that he has to kill off everyone (mafia-related or not.) I don't feel safe with a serial killer running around. I may be crazy, but I ain't STOOPID. Therefore, I too will join in the necktie party.

Vote to lynch: viciousx.

[charlesx]

In theory, it should be quite easy to confirm whether vicious killed Ventriloquist. The write-up states that someone saw Ventriloquist's murder. That person can tell us whether it was vicious.

I'll be more than glad to change my vote if we can get solid info about who really killed the Ventriloquist.

[JacinB]

That brings the current vote tally to:

vicious x (3): Peers, sstralkowski, and charlesx.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I don't think Vicious is necessarily Mafia - I got the impression they targeted the man who was then freed from his cell - but the possibility of him attacking Scarface and then trying to use Catwoman as a distraction does make some sense.

Still waiting to hear a bit more, though I'm cautious of trying to force forward the person who saw things (as that "outs" that player and it feels a bit early in the game to force that).

[CarlosMucha]

is Vicius online for defense himself?

[CarlosMucha]

why Jacin will incriminate Vicius on porpose.

he can say "is blood in X" but not the name of the player, just the name of the character. mmmm

[JackAssterson]

Good golly I wake up and you people are regular chatty cathys.

/reads

Vote: Vicious X He didn't have a very good explanation for the blood ("I killed Catwoman, hee hee hee" if true just means he's killing randomly and got lucky -- a wild card, in other words, and I traditionally HATE wild cards)

And color me with the stupid brush if you must, but I have no idea what Carlos is talking about with his sequence. Rokk said he understands it now from the write-up (which one? we have two now) but I'm just not seeing it. Of course, (and here's a riddle for ya, C) they could be serving up a big meal of

Ingredients:

*A book that's READ minus the prime grade

*Werner HERZOG with his head cut off and his sock gone -- leave the abdomen.

*Batman lurking in the distance. What a BORING fellow. At least lose the staff.

[CarlosMucha]

tell me.

who can kill Villians or Heroes?

who is the more mysterius Batman enemy?

you know what day is the monday?


(please don't kill me Mister or Mss. I don't have idea of who you are!)

[JackAssterson]

tell me.

who can kill Villians or Heroes?

who is the more mysterius Batman enemy?

you know what day is the monday?


(please don't kill me Mister or Mss. I don't have idea of who you are!)

1. Both.

2. Depends on whether you're talking game context or comic context.

3. Any day, as long as it follows Sunday. Or one could always use a calendar. Man, they're useful.

[CarlosMucha]

1. Both.

Yes, but not this time

2. Depends on whether you're talking game context or comic context.

Comic book


3. Any day, as long as it follows Sunday. Or one could always use a calendar. Man, they're useful.

NO











filler filler

[CarlosMucha]

ups. the "No" must inside the square. but we can't edit!

[JackAssterson]

If you're talking about THIS Monday it's Labor Day. And if we're not talking Calendar Man, we might be talking Holiday, who could possibly be called the most "mysterious" Inmate since there was a year-long mystery devoted to his identity.

[lensnart]

This is nothing more than a gut feeling that I got from reading the last few pages, but Rokk seems to be trying to rally people against the one guy that he knows is an inmate, as well as trying to get a bit too much info out of Carlos. So while it is completely a shot in the dark I will go for...

My Vote: Rokk Krin

[CarlosMucha]

If you're talking about THIS Monday it's Labor Day. And if we're not talking Calendar Man, we might be talking Holiday, who could possibly be called the most "mysterious" Inmate since there was a year-long mystery devoted to his identity.


:devious:




filler filler

[KitsuShel]

Vote: Vicious X He didn't have a very good explanation for the blood ("I killed Catwoman, hee hee hee" if true just means he's killing randomly and got lucky -- a wild card, in other words, and I traditionally HATE wild cards)



But what if he's the Jester who wins when we lynch him?

But then why would Jacin implicate him and make the game end so early, if that were the case?

So many questions and not enough answers!

[CarlosMucha]

Shel is here!

[Rokk_Krinn]

This is nothing more than a gut feeling that I got from reading the last few pages, but Rokk seems to be trying to rally people against the one guy that he knows is an inmate, as well as trying to get a bit too much info out of Carlos. So while it is completely a shot in the dark I will go for...

My Vote: Rokk Krin

Which is precisely why I've lynch voted for them...er, wait, that's right I haven't and even asked folks to back down on Carlos as I didn't want someone else to have to come forward and incrimnate themselves. You're right, I'm deviously trying to get people to reveal more information. :laugh:

[Rokk_Krinn]

Ingredients:

*A book that's READ minus the prime grade

*Werner HERZOG with his head cut off and his sock gone -- leave the abdomen.

*Batman lurking in the distance. What a BORING fellow. At least lose the staff.

I thought Communism was the Red Herring? :grin:

[Rokk_Krinn]

But what if he's the Jester who wins when we lynch him?

But then why would Jacin implicate him and make the game end so early, if that were the case?

So many questions and not enough answers!


I think we all need to stop being so afraid of the Jester role outside of Stral's bunch (e.g. - him, m_a_caque who likely patterned off of his first experience in Stral's game, etc.) as it just paralyzes the whole game (plus, as you note, I don't think Jacin would be pushing towards the Jester so rapidly).

[m_a_caque]

Vote to lynch: viciousx

too early to start roleclaiming for me...

[m_a_caque]

Vote to lynch: viciousx.

forgot to bold it

[fathernson]

I'm amazed that there could actually be a role that would win by getting lynched. That sounds like a bad idea.

[scehaono]

well..i'm still not sure whether or not vicious was the killer of the lady or the man...so i'll hold off on my vote for now, until i feel more confident in my answer (which may never happen)

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm probably still too "Silver Agey" here but I don't consider Catwoman necessarily on the side of the heroes. Help them out sometimes if it's to her advantage? Yeah. An actual member of the Bat's crew? Not really.
I hear ya, but Catwoman was listed as a Gotham Knight when she died. I know you like to ignore listed team affiliations and all ;), but trust me (or rather Jacin), Catwoman was part of the "mafia."

As for Carlos "just guessing", that was a pretty specific list...I am curious why he picked those specific people.
So am I.

[Jackofhearts2005]

However, I'd say there are several good reasons for vicious to roleclaim as the vigilante:

1. There were people calling on him to explain what he was doing. This was only natural, given the write-up. It would have looked a lot more suspicious if he had not roleclaimed. And the mention of "blood" makes it clear that he was involved in one of the night's killing. Vigilante is the role that best fits the facts and is least likely to result in a lynching. It makes sense for vicious to claim to be a vigilante either because he is one or because telling people he's the serial killer isn't likely to be a good strategy.

2. Roleclaiming as the vigilante also lets vicious signal the doctor that he wants protection. Unless the doctor knows who the cop is, he might well choose to protect the vigilante.
My thoughts exactly. However, can we be sure that Vicious is the vigillante? Personally, I think Zsasz is more likely to want to kill us all than the Joker.

[charlesx]

I hear ya, but Catwoman was listed as a Gotham Knight when she died. I know you like to ignore listed team affiliations and all ;), but trust me (or rather Jacin), Catwoman was part of the "mafia."

Jackofhearts2005 is right. Jacinb used "Gotham Knight" in the writeup, thus Catwoman was mafia. That was one lucky hit, but hits could go the other way, too. As Jackassterson said, wild cards are not to be trusted.

On the subject of Carlos, how could he know so much this early in the game? When he got a vote to be lynched, he listed off a number of players. Was that some trick on his part, or does he actually have inside information? Hmmm....

[Iron Ham]

I'd bet it was a joke...

[Rokk_Krinn]

On the subject of Carlos, how could he know so much this early in the game? When he got a vote to be lynched, he listed off a number of players. Was that some trick on his part, or does he actually have inside information? Hmmm....

I have my guesses as to what's going on there, as I said, but I don't think it's fair - or safe for the people involved - to make Carlos or someone I suspect was watching him last night to come forward with more information (especially the person whom may have been watching Carlos; no reason to give the Knights another ID to home in on).

[Jackofhearts2005]

S'okay, Carlos, I think I'm following you now especially after reading the write-up. I'll gladly back off.
I don't follow, and as somebody on that previous list, I'd really like to know what he's talking about.
But what if he's the Jester who wins when we lynch him?

But then why would Jacin implicate him and make the game end so early, if that were the case?

He's not the Jester, because Jacin wouldn't give him that undue help.

As a sidenote, why even bother voting for viciousx? I mean, if he is Zsasz, I want to get rid of him since Zsasz is probably a serial killer, but wouldn't it make sense for Joker, Batman, or the other night killer to go for him tonight?

Personally, I don't want to die at night and if one guy is an easy target for all the people who can kill/arrest me, I think thats a good thing.

[m_a_caque]

As a sidenote, why even bother voting for viciousx? I mean, if he is Zsasz, I want to get rid of him since Zsasz is probably a serial killer, but wouldn't it make sense for Joker, Batman, or the other night killer to go for him tonight?

Personally, I don't want to die at night and if one guy is an easy target for all the people who can kill/arrest me, I think thats a good thing.

unless he's the serial killer and/or can kill before he gets killed/caught

[Antipathy]

First, I'm pretty sure the reason why vicious has blood on him is because he used a night power to kill. It was a power of Wolverine's in Peers' first game, and Jacin was on Wolverine's team. I don't think we should lynch him.

[fathernson]

As a sidenote, why even bother voting for viciousx? I mean, if he is Zsasz, I want to get rid of him since Zsasz is probably a serial killer, but wouldn't it make sense for Joker, Batman, or the other night killer to go for him tonight?


I'm putting in my 2 cents now. I vote we lynch the guy that is taking credit for killing someone, and probably just picked his target at random. That's not the type of fella I want hanging around.

Vote to lynch: viciousx

[fathernson]

Forgot to include, and can't edit. (Such a n00b)

The reason I quoted Jackofhearts is that I don't want to leave it up to chance that Batman will take care of this guy. He could just have easily have drawn my name out of his hat, and I don't want to give him any more opportunities to draw names.

[CarlosMucha]

question (I ask this to jacin) but just to be clear.

when A target B if B "feel" or "see" something that b should be informed by PM?

like "somebody ask you this question" or something

OR is not necesary a PM and you have to figure out who you are in the write out?

[Antipathy]

If vicious_x was the serial killer, why would his power entail the disadvantage of letting everyone know he killed someone? He's already at a disadvantage, because the serial killer wins by being the last man standing, and they have to make a kill every night.

The only way I could think of him being both the serial killer and having this disadvantage is him being able to make two kills a night, or is un-lynchable/un-night killable.

[CarlosMucha]

Antiphaty, when I target as Wonder Woman in the Crisis game you was informed of that by PM or not?

[Antipathy]

Yes, I was informed.

[CarlosMucha]

Yes, I was informed.

is that necesary in a game or change from game to game?

[Antipathy]

Jacin can add/subtract anything he wants to in his game.

[CarlosMucha]

Jacin can add/subtract anything he wants to in his game.


ok. got it sorry.

[vicious x]

I'd say prime target #1 for the Gotham Knights is the cop, or possibly the doctor. A vigilante who's firing blind is, in my opinion, lower on the Gotham Knight's to-do list, because the odds that he'll randomly target an inmate are much higher.

However, I'd say there are several good reasons for vicious to roleclaim as the vigilante:

1. There were people calling on him to explain what he was doing. This was only natural, given the write-up. It would have looked a lot more suspicious if he had not roleclaimed. And the mention of "blood" makes it clear that he was involved in one of the night's killing. Vigilante is the role that best fits the facts and is least likely to result in a lynching. It makes sense for vicious to claim to be a vigilante either because he is one or because telling people he's the serial killer isn't likely to be a good strategy.

2. Roleclaiming as the vigilante also lets vicious signal the doctor that he wants protection. Unless the doctor knows who the cop is, he might well choose to protect the vigilante.

Ding Ding Ding,... got to love that Chicago University Education :)
my name was in the write up, I killed the Kitty (I say as I like my new scar :devious: ) so I need some protecting,... while I agree that the cop may need the protection over the vigilante I was named and need the protection now.


VOTE Rokk_Krinn

asking way too many questions,... I'll prove I'm the Vigilante if you see who I target at night and who I target during the day :) :angry:
much like last game with soooo many people I am sure that there are two or more dr.'s so one can protect me while the other protects the cop/tracker when he comes out. :devious:

til then Rokk blood must spill :devious: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[Antipathy]

I also doubt vicious is the vigilante.

vicious, do you know why in the write-up it states you have blood on your hands? Just answer yes or no. Nothing more.

[vicious x]

If vicious_x was the serial killer, why would his power entail the disadvantage of letting everyone know he killed someone? He's already at a disadvantage, because the serial killer wins by being the last man standing, and they have to make a kill every night.

The only way I could think of him being both the serial killer and having this disadvantage is him being able to make two kills a night, or is un-lynchable/un-night killable.

yes
what kind of serial killer would I be if everytime I kill someone my name pops up in the write up with blood on my hands???
I mean you know I killed someone and if it was a mistake when I would get lynch the next day.

as for roleclaiming like I said one mafia was killed and one inmate was killed and my name was in the write up. I had no choice either way I was going to be grilled,...

my vote stands for rokk, while it is true that he didn't vote for me or atleast at this point. it is a great strategy to make noise about a person and let everyone else lynch him and when it comes out that you were wrong you can say "well I didn't start the lynch"

why is he asking questions about a inmate that roleclaimed? if you are worried that I am a serial killer that only wins if I am the last man standing,... guess what there are 20+ people,... I have a long way to go before I get close to the win.

lets get the guy that killed turtle

my vote stands

[Iron Ham]

Vicious, I find it hard to believe you...

[vicious x]

I also doubt vicious is the vigilante.

vicious, do you know why in the write-up it states you have blood on your hands? Just answer yes or no. Nothing more.

yes you will see it again tonight,... and every night
like I said if I was a serial killer thats not a good draw back,... I mean it would make the inmates want to lynch me, as you can see. and puts me at risk from the mob. I let everyone know who I am to get some protection. I am sure that there is two doc.'s so we can have the cop come out and not worry about being targeted.

my vote stands and I hope people can see what I am saying,... will have to leave very soon, but will be back in an hour or two.

[vicious x]

Vicious, I find it hard to believe you...

*looks at Rattler Strong braclet,... licks kitty cat scar* go ahead and lynch me, someone who came out as an inmate. see that you all lynched the vigilante in the second day. I have to go so I will not be able to defend myself any more.

[batfink]

All the cop has to do is interigate vicious.

What is Rattler Strong braclet?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Vicious - You're saying it wouldn't make sense to give the Serial Killer that drawback. Fair enough, but it also wouldn't make much sense to give the Vigilante that drawback either. I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and you answered my question. Now, instead, you're trying the Thawmus method of "point a gun" if any one raises questions about it (especially since I wasn't the only one asking questions and I'm not the one who called for a lynching of you...seems to me that you would want to defend yourself against people who are wanting you dead instead of getting rid of another Inmate just because he wanted to know why you roleclaimed).

[Rokk_Krinn]

Ah, and I like how Vicious is now asking for the cop to reveal himself with the "assurance" that there must be two doctors and thus the cop has nothing to fear. That's asking a cop to out himself and not a very comforting move.

[fathernson]

All this from vicious is interesting, but if he was the vigilante, then he just picked his target at random. That seems like a bad strategy to me, because it might unnecessarily draw attention to him right away.

I'm calling BS on vicious's claim of vigilante status. He's using that as a convenience to draw the doctor to him. My vote stands, too.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I'm calling BS on vicious's claim of vigilante status. He's using that as a convenience to draw the doctor to him. My vote stands, too.

He's not only using it to draw the doctor to him but he wants the cop outed with the "assurance" that surely another doctor could protect the cop. No Vigilante would be asking the cop to reveal his/her ID to the others if he was sincerely interested in helping the team.

[ReZourceman]

Wow, Im behind on this.

[vicious x]

Ah, and I like how Vicious is now asking for the cop to reveal himself with the "assurance" that there must be two doctors and thus the cop has nothing to fear. That's asking a cop to out himself and not a very comforting move.

hahahahahahha so now I'm a serial killer that is on the batman team?

yes I want the cop/tracker to come out and say who killed turtle. why wouldn't there be two dr.'s???

anyways I'm back, going to eat and see if I got lynched

oh just remember who were the guys who lynched me most likely mafia,...

like I said I picked you bc you were throwing off the crowd by focusing on an inmate,... remember we need to focus on the batman crew or at least the real serial killer.

[JackAssterson]

I don't trust V-X at all. Even if he's telling the 100% truth we're STILL ahead if he's just picking people at random and thus doing the mafia's job. The only way he's not doing it at random is if he already knows who the mafia is, and I kinda doubt JacinB would do that -- the game could be over in 5-6 nights.

So basically if we lynch him, we win if he's mafia, we win if he's a willy-nilly killer. The only way we lose is if it turns out he had an subtle, helpful power that would help us win the game without targetting people willy-nilly. He's pretty much roleclaimed a willy-nilly killer, so there you go.

[Jackofhearts2005]

If vicious_x was the serial killer, why would his power entail the disadvantage of letting everyone know he killed someone? He's already at a disadvantage, because the serial killer wins by being the last man standing, and they have to make a kill every night.

The only way I could think of him being both the serial killer and having this disadvantage is him being able to make two kills a night, or is un-lynchable/un-night killable.
I think so too.

Thats a terrible disadvantage for the serial killer to have, to the point of making the game unwinnable for him.

what kind of serial killer would I be if everytime I kill someone my name pops up in the write up with blood on my hands???

No joke.
Vicious - You're saying it wouldn't make sense to give the Serial Killer that drawback. Fair enough, but it also wouldn't make much sense to give the Vigilante that drawback either.
It has been a disadvantage for a town aligned night killer in a previous game. Nothing different here.

I do agree that a vigilante killing people at random is almost as bad as a serial killer, but what makes us think that all his kills will be at random?

Wolverine had a team, the last time we saw this drawback to a night kill.

[JackAssterson]

I do agree that a vigilante killing people at random is almost as bad as a serial killer, but what makes us think that all his kills will be at random?


Precedent, right now. Again, unless he KNEW who Catwoman was (unlikely) he's killing people at random. What makes us think he'll stop?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Because he might learn more.

For instance: Manbull (vigilante) tried to kill someone at random in the Mafia2 game on the first night. He targeted someone on our side.

After that, he had better information and only killed a good guy.

Right now, I'm looking up information on the Joker from the crisis game (longest living vigilante), just so we can have a good idea of how good it is to have a vigilante around.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lets look at vigilantes we've had in the past and decide if we want one around (this is of course assuming you believe Vic to be the vigilante):

Wolverine - had a team, never used his kill power
Man-Bull - had a team (kinda, you might have to explain that, Rokk), tried to kill one town aligned, killed one mafia aligned


Currently looking up Jessie James and Joker, who were also vigilantes.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Wolverine had a team, the last time we saw this drawback to a night kill.

Wolverine wasn't a vigilante; he was a tracker that could make a Night Kill but at the drawback of being shown as bloodied. Vicious is saying he's the Vigilante, he wants the cop revealed and he wants a doctor to protect him because he's "precious". That's asking for an awful lot especially if he's a "normal" Vigilante, don't you think?

Furthermore, at this point, of course folks are possibly discussing Inmates - which is what he says is "my flaw"...never mind the fact that I backed off of other possible Inmates and only asked Vicious why he was claiming to have killed Catwoman - because we don't know who the Knights are; I would gladly be discussing the merits of lynching a Knight if we knew who was playing them. Any Knight care to come forward and reveal their ID?

Heck, by Vicious' own logic, he too is calling for the lynching of an Inmate and therefore is just as "wrong" as I am, right?

[JackAssterson]

Change vote: no lynch

It's a long weekend I want to see more input from the players.

[vicious x]

Precedent, right now. Again, unless he KNEW who Catwoman was (unlikely) he's killing people at random. What makes us think he'll stop?

so you are saying that the vigilante should kill anyone? just sit there and wait to be arrested? if you read the last game w/o any help I was able to kill 3 mafia guys,... and I was the serial killer :confused: :devious:

[Jackofhearts2005]

Wolverine wasn't a vigilante; he was a tracker that could make a Night Kill but at the drawback of being shown as bloodied.
Right, Vic is a vigilante, Wolverine was just a townie who could night kill.
Excuse me for not being able to make the distiction.:cheeky:

Heck, by Vicious' own logic, he too is calling for the lynching of an Inmate and therefore is just as "wrong" as I am, right?
Wrong. We know Vicious has blood on him. That makes him either the guy who was beat up and put in jail (but saved by another one of us), the guy who saved him (blood from the beat up guy), Zsazs, Joker, or whoever killed Wesker. We know he is either a townie or a neutral.

We don't know a thing about you (or me, to be fair).

[Rokk_Krinn]

so you are saying that the vigilante should kill anyone? just sit there and wait to be arrested? if you read the last game w/o any help I was able to kill 3 mafia guys,... and I was the serial killer :confused: :devious:

No, we're saying a Vigilante shouldn't just have randomly targeted someone as you had a greater chance of getting an Inmate than you did a Knight. You got -lucky- and you know it. It sounds like you didn't care if you hit an Inmate though because, hey, the Vigilante should just kill anyone. A serial killer can target willy-nilly, you needed to actually care about the other Inmates. What if you had hit the doctor? Oh, that's right - it doesn't matter because a Vigilante should kill constantly.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Right, Vic is a vigilante, Wolverine was just a townie who could night kill.
Excuse me for not being able to make the distiction.:cheeky:


There is a distinction. Wolverine had another primary power and a secondary power with a drawback. A Vigilante's primary - only - power is to make Night Kills.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Joker (probably the most succesful vigilante, who didn't even have teammates) killed the following in the mafia crisis game:

Robin (town), Evil Superman (mafia don), Wonderwoman 44 (mafia roleblocker), Wonderwoman 33 (mafia roleblocker), Question 33 (mafia tracker)

Notice how good it can be to have a vigilante around? Without Joker, the town would have lost that game.

[vicious x]

Wolverine wasn't a vigilante; he was a tracker that could make a Night Kill but at the drawback of being shown as bloodied. Vicious is saying he's the Vigilante, he wants the cop revealed and he wants a doctor to protect him because he's "precious". That's asking for an awful lot especially if he's a "normal" Vigilante, don't you think?

Furthermore, at this point, of course folks are possibly discussing Inmates - which is what he says is "my flaw"...never mind the fact that I backed off of other possible Inmates and only asked Vicious why he was claiming to have killed Catwoman - because we don't know who the Knights are; I would gladly be discussing the merits of lynching a Knight if we knew who was playing them. Any Knight care to come forward and reveal their ID?

Heck, by Vicious' own logic, he too is calling for the lynching of an Inmate and therefore is just as "wrong" as I am, right?

like I said, you are drawing everyones attention to the wrong guy, that makes you a suspect in my book.
with useful info I will kill the mafia, until then I will use my gut. which has been right.
joh- if you want to look up history look up my game when I was the serial killer (superboy).
I say we wait until we find out who killed turtle,... we do have a witness.


jack if you want to look up the history

[vicious x]

Joker (probably the most succesful vigilante, who didn't even have teammates) killed the following in the mafia crisis game:

Robin (town), Evil Superman (mafia don), Wonderwoman 44 (mafia roleblocker), Wonderwoman 33 (mafia roleblocker), Question 33 (mafia tracker)

Notice how good it can be to have a vigilante around? Without Joker, the town would have lost that game.

agreeing with you, but adding superboy prime helped alot :cool:
mmwwhahahaha

[vicious x]

No, we're saying a Vigilante shouldn't just have randomly targeted someone as you had a greater chance of getting an Inmate than you did a Knight. You got -lucky- and you know it. It sounds like you didn't care if you hit an Inmate though because, hey, the Vigilante should just kill anyone. A serial killer can target willy-nilly, you needed to actually care about the other Inmates. What if you had hit the doctor? Oh, that's right - it doesn't matter because a Vigilante should kill constantly.

well if you want the vigilante to sit on their hands all game,... that puts you higher in my books.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jessie James (crusaderc) was the town's vigilante in the wild west mafia game.

He killed 3 out of the 5 mafia members at night.

Again, a stunning example of how useful it is to have a vigilante around.

Why do you guys want to kill him so bad?

[vicious x]

if you want the vigilante to kill with useful info. stop looking at me and focus on the mafia.

and like I said, the draw back on my power is bloodly hands. you will see it alot, I will do my homework to so I will not kill inmates

[Jackofhearts2005]

Oh, and Jessie James never killed a good guy, though he did kill a neutral.

[KitsuShel]

Message from DocDoom187

The way it appears to me is, Vicious X can kill at night. We all know that. But right now, if he's a serial killer, he's lost the game already. The mafia knows who he is, and will gun for him, and we know if he ever kills a townie, we should lynch him, But as for this moment, there's no reason to lynch him.

He won't hurt us at night, that would just be suicide. We should keep him around and tell him what to do, and who to target. As for right now, the cop sghould reveal himself, and he should be protected, while Vicious shouldn't be. If the mafia kills V-X too bad, no big loss for us.

Tonight the cop should investigate Rokk, to put people's suscpisions about him to rest, as I;'m fairly certain hes on our side. And Vicious, if you kill one of us, your killing yourself.

As Wolverine, I was a tracker, townie alligned who had the ability to kill, but the write up would let everyone know I was the murderer, so I was on the townies side.

I change my vote to CharlesX

[vicious x]

at worse case, let batman take me out. you need to use common sense :angry: like I the people who voted for my head should be watched.

[Jackofhearts2005]

So basically what I'm say is that out of 3 games with vigilantes(lets not even count Wolverine, since he had another power and never night killed), a total of 1 townie, 1 neutral, and 7 MAFIA have been brought down by a vigilante.

I think it is obvious that we don't want to lynch a vigilante.
Lets work on finding a more lynch worthy person.

[vicious x]

thats what I've been saying,... let me kill batman,... I can always use a bat scar on my neck! mmwwwhahahahahahahahahahaha :devious:
lets id the guy/gal who killed turtle. or focus on the guys who wanted me dead,... Peers. <- :rolleyes:

[Rokk_Krinn]

well if you want the vigilante to sit on their hands all game,... that puts you higher in my books.

Stop being so high-strung and read what's actually wrote. I said the Vigilante shouldn't just fire off at random. He should wait until he has good information and a target. You don't care who you kill as long as you're killing. That's a -big- difference from what you're accusing and you know it, unless you've become completely incapable of differentiating what's written when people are inquiring about you.

You could have just answered the questions that were asked - especially when the only person you have qualms with asking you those questions is the -one- person that wasn't trying to lynch you - but, instead, you're trying to get someone else killed. Frankly, you're just showing that you don't care -who- dies so long as there's a body count.

[vicious x]

so we agree you all point. I KILL! :devious: :confused: :devious: MMWWHAHAHAHA

[charlesx]

I'd like to hear from more people before changing my vote - although if v-x is a vigilante, then I agree with you, Jackofhearts2005. As long as he only targets mafia (or does his best to do so) then he's helping out the townies.

DocDoom187, what the hell??? Where did that lynch vote come from?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Jessie James (crusaderc) was the town's vigilante in the wild west mafia game.

He killed 3 out of the 5 mafia members at night.

Again, a stunning example of how useful it is to have a vigilante around.

Why do you guys want to kill him so bad?

Because no "standard" Vigilante has had a drawback of his power being revealed.

Because he's not playing smart and just wants to up body counts.

Because we have no reason to believe he's actually the Vigilante or that he targeted Catwoman and not Ventriloquist beyond what he's saying which would be smart of him to do rather than admit that he screwed up and killed an Inmate.

Because he asked the cop to come forward with his ID.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Fair enough. Vote for Vic if you don't think he's the vigilante.

I'm not so much sure that he is the vigilante as I am that he is probably not the serial killer.

Vote count:

VicX(4): Peers, sstralkowski, charlesx, fathernson
Rokk (2): VicX, lensnart
Charlesx(1): DocDoom187
No lynch(1): JackAssterson

[vicious x]

Stop being so high-strung and read what's actually wrote. I said the Vigilante shouldn't just fire off at random. He should wait until he has good information and a target. You don't care who you kill as long as you're killing. That's a -big- difference from what you're accusing and you know it, unless you've become completely incapable of differentiating what's written when people are inquiring about you.

You could have just answered the questions that were asked - especially when the only person you have qualms with asking you those questions is the -one- person that wasn't trying to lynch you - but, instead, you're trying to get someone else killed. Frankly, you're just showing that you don't care -who- dies so long as there's a body count.

We have different playing styles, (remeber rattler, I was lynched bc I didn't agree with JacinB's playing style, he could kill at night if he was targeted, he let everyone know this, I thought he should make himself a target and let the mafia target him) same he we just have different playing styles.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I don't think he's the serial killer - and I've stated that - but I'm not buying that he's a "standard vigilante" or that he isn't risky towards the Inmates.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well the best way to keep him not risky towards the inmates is to give him someone better to kill.....or lynch him.

Lynching him does makes us lose a pretty powerful player for our side, though.

[KitsuShel]

More secretarial work. I should be getting paid for this. :cheeky:

Intergalactic029 (3:52:10 PM): wanna tell rokk "Vicious made a guess, but it may not be his fault, seeing as in last game the had to kill, if you recall what Kontrol posted. It may be a part of V-X's power. Of all the people who could help us here, Peers is the guy we need. He knows all the powers better than anyone, even if they have a jacin twist on them"
Intergalactic029 (3:52:17 PM): *guess
Intergalactic029 (3:52:24 PM): the joker had
Intergalactic029 (3:52:28 PM): i left out joker
Intergalactic029 (3:57:46 PM): "CharlesX, you were very eager to kill vicious X. The only team the Vicious living doesnt help is the mafia. He wouldnt dare kill a townie, so it would make sense for a mafia member to jump on the chance to knock him off early"
Intergalactic029 (3:58:09 PM): "I admit, there is a little guess work innvolved, and it isn't flawless logic, but its my vote and I'm sticking to it"

[vicious x]

like docdoom said. point at someone you all want dead, I'll kill him very simple. have our tracker/cop investigate rokk and we will find out which side he is on :) :devious:

[St-Dumas]

I'll chip in a vote for Rokk_Krinn.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Well the best way to keep him not risky towards the inmates is to give him someone better to kill.....or lynch him.

Lynching him does makes us lose a pretty powerful player for our side, though.

Not that powerful as he's already gone and revealed himself to the Knights which I find unusual unless he's not worried about the Knights for some reason.

As for pointing him towards someone, I agree, that would be great but that doesn't seem to be happening and I sure don't want the Cop to reveal ID's and out themselves while we're spending time/effort on protecting a guy that doesn't care -who- he kills so long as someone dies. Seriously, what happens when the Night Phase rolls around and Vicious doesn't know a Knights target - is he just going to target any of us for death? Heck, we still don't even know for certain that he didn't kill Ventriloquist and isn't fessing up to it.

Meanwhile, I've at least interpreted what Carlos is saying enough to vouch for him. Someone care to explain why I'm not still hammering at him (as it would be easy to do as it seems most people haven't picked up on his clues) if I'm so lynch worthy?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Doom187: CharlesX wasn't the first person to call for Vicious head nor has he been "eager" for it. I'd look more at the people who first initiated the "Lynch Vicious" bandwagon (especially since as the one who was "questioning" him, I had specifically stated I wasn't calling for a lynch of the guy...I just wanted to know why he was so eager to roleclaim killing Catwoman.)