Tna

[readyeddy?]

Am I the only one who thinks this #### with Adam "Pacman" Jones is a complete waste of TNA's and our time? Better to give Christopher Daniels, Eric Young and Robert Roode a higher profile IMO.
Also I thought that Ron Killings left TNA along with Konnan.

[Charaxes]

I can see what they're trying to do with the whole Pacman angle is to try to create nation-wide mainstream media buzz in an attempt to draw in a bigger audience.

I really don't think that anyone would start watching TNA because of the storyline, so I do think that the time would be better to showcase their talent (Triple X, LAX, etc).

Ron Killings did leave the company with Konnan, but decided it was within his best interest to return. Pretty much, Killings wanted to do a tour of Mexico, but his TNA contract prohibited that. So, he asked to be released from said contract in order to be able to go. Now that he's done with the tour, he asked to return to the company, and they obliged.

[Frontman]

I always have felt that this type of promotion is a waste of airtime. It's one thing to have the Mike Tyson storyline from 10 (good GAWD!) years ago, as it didn't detract from the true story, which was DX versus Austin.

But when the celebrities take away from the actual stories and product is when I get upset (especially David Arquette's title win. That totally cheapened the WCW title.)

[StormX]

Let's see...

Russo booking? Check.

Celebrity angles? Check.

Tons of ex-WWE stars doing nothing to step out of their WWE-shadows? Check.

Oh yeah, this has no where to go but up....

once they go out of business and Vince buys them in 7 months.

[Charaxes]

Actually, Russo is not booking for TNA. Dutch Mantel is. Russo is a consulant to him, but Mantel has final say over everything.

And for the record, Russo did not kill WCW. Hogan did.

[readyeddy?]

For my money it was Hogan, Bischoff and Nash. Russo just peed all over the corpse.

[Charaxes]

I thought that Bischoff was the main person responsible for the death of WCW. And then I read this (http://www.highspots.com/images/images_125/book_deathwcw.jpg) book.

[readyeddy?]

I thought that Bischoff was the main person responsible for the death of WCW. And then I read this (http://www.highspots.com/images/images_125/book_deathwcw.jpg) book.
I read that book as well, that's why I consider it a partnership between the three I mentioned.

[mike_houghton]

Let's see...

Russo booking? Check.

Celebrity angles? Check.

Tons of ex-WWE stars doing nothing to step out of their WWE-shadows? Check.

Oh yeah, this has no where to go but up....

once they go out of business and Vince buys them in 7 months.
Nope Christain and Angle arent doing anything special over there

[StormX]

Nope Christain and Angle arent doing anything special over there

X-tain might be the exception, but by far it seems the rule is "leech off past WWE success and rant about how terrible the WWE was to them".

[mike_houghton]

hmmm maybe we should change Kurt Angle entirely?Maybe put him in a clown gimmick or something... that way we arent leeching off the WWE's Success. His gimmick isnt entirely the same as wwe either.

[StormX]

hmmm maybe we should change Kurt Angle entirely?Maybe put him in a clown gimmick or something... that way we arent leeching off the WWE's Success. His gimmick isnt entirely the same as wwe either.

OK, so of all the ex-WWE guys in TNA you've picked 2 out of about 2 dozen to say they aren't leeching off their WWE success.

Kurt Angle might have a different gimmick, but...how did he earn a spot in TNA?

He was rather spectacularly let go by the WWE, waltzed into TNA and given a main event spot.

Christian is about the only one to make it in TNA on his merits alone IMO, as I don't believe he was ever given ample opportunity to shine in a solo capacity in WWE.

But Angle? TNA scooped up WWE detritus and slapped him in their main event picture just to go "OMG WE HAVE KURT ANGLE!" and the only reason anyone gave a toss about Kurt Angle was because of the WWE.

WWE makes stars, while TNA, like WCW, predominantly leeches them. If TNA made their own stars, the X-division would have been their main division and they wouldn't have issues with some of their "TNA-made" guys wanting to leave half the time because they're horribly under-utilized while ex-WWE guys are getting top-booking.

[readyeddy?]

I wouldn't go so far as saying WCW didn't make stars. Sting has never gone near the WWE(F), the Steiners, Road Warriors and Lex Luger were pretty big before they tried the WWF. Ric Flair and other Four Horsemen members did most of their best stuff well away from Vince McMahon. I'll admit that after Eric Bischoff took over the only true star to come from WCW was Goldberg (and perhaps Diamond Dallas Page) but prior to Bischoff they churned out a few heavyweights. Dusty Rhodes was pretty big and he didn't have Vince McMahon to thank for that.

[T'Chaka]

I was all ready to say Elisha Cuthbert, but I think you guys are talking about a different 'tna.' :laugh:

[readyeddy?]

I was all ready to say Elisha Cuthbert, but I think you guys are talking about a different 'tna.' :laugh:
If only we could get away with a discussion of that sort. I have several thoughts on the subject. Constantly.

[drummerboysareawesom]

After watching the 2 hour show.

I can't say I have had that much fun watching wrestling in a long time.

It was a blast seeing Fatu again.

I actully like LaX now.

GO JOE.

[Charaxes]

After watching the 2 hour show.

I can't say I have had that much fun watching wrestling in a long time.

It was a blast seeing Fatu again.

I actully like LaX now.

GO JOE.
If you like LAX, then check out some of Homicide's early work in ROH. The guy is amazing.

The two hour premiere was alright, but they really need to stop the Pacman Jones angle. The fact that he is prohibited against physical contact, yet the keep him as one half of the TNA Tag Team Champions is ridiculous. That was definitely the low part of the night.

The need to give Jimmy Rave a push. The guy can be great, and a match with him and Christian could be phenomenal in my opinion. MY problem with TNA remains to be that with given their roster, then they should definitely be the best wrestling company in America. However, they continue to push the same guys.

Also, they continue with gimmicks that they know don't work. Take the reverse battle royal for example. They tried it once, and it failed miserably. Instead of taking that experience and learning from it, they do it again a few months later on a PAY-PER-VIEW! I still say that TNA is better than the WWE, but they still have a lot of work to do before they reach their potential.

Again, I would like to say this is just my opinion, and I could be wrong... But I doubt it.

[StormX]

It's really amazing to see a company trying to be Russo-era WCW. I'd have thought everyone in the business would have known better.

I also love how all the ex-WWE guys are pretty much just ex-WWE guys, down to their gimmicks, ring attire, and even music.

[Charaxes]

Yeah, I don't think that I would mind having the ex-WWE guys there if their gimmick was a little different or something. Then again, the guys that they have brought in really don't pique my interest no matter what gimmick they have. Matt Morgan, Tyson Tomko, A-Train (if they do bring him in), Test (granted, he's already gone from the company) and Rikishi are all examples of guys that I could really care less about regardless of what program they are doing. Also, there's the Steiner Brothers, Team 3D, VKM,Kurt Angle, and Sting also pretty much have the same gimmick that they have had for the last ten years. Granted, the Steiner's and Team 3D changed roles, but they're still pretty much exactly the same as they have been.

There are so many independent wrestlers that they could bring in to keep the show young and fresh, but they continue to bring guys that will only preform a few more years and then retire. Where is the company going to be then? They need to stop being so shortsighted, and realize that the young guys are the future.

[StormX]

Yeah, I don't think that I would mind having the ex-WWE guys there if their gimmick was a little different or something. Then again, the guys that they have brought in really don't pique my interest no matter what gimmick they have. Matt Morgan, Tyson Tomko, A-Train (if they do bring him in), Test (granted, he's already gone from the company) and Rikishi are all examples of guys that I could really care less about regardless of what program they are doing. Also, there's the Steiner Brothers, Team 3D, VKM,Kurt Angle, and Sting also pretty much have the same gimmick that they have had for the last ten years. Granted, the Steiner's and Team 3D changed roles, but they're still pretty much exactly the same as they have been.

There are so many independent wrestlers that they could bring in to keep the show young and fresh, but they continue to bring guys that will only preform a few more years and then retire. Where is the company going to be then? They need to stop being so shortsighted, and realize that the young guys are the future.


That's exactly the problem I have.

TNA needs to bring in a FEW established names, to help them grow new stars.

Not just bring in Rikishi, change his name, SLIGHTLY change his music, and call it a day and make him a main eventer.

[readyeddy?]

I have mixed feelings about things going on in TNA.
The whole Pacman Jones thing is a complete waste of TV time. the guy isn't allowed to wrestle and I wouldn't consider him an asset to ratings because of his Football cred. Heck, Dennis Rodman was more intriguing then he'll ever be.
Why does Kurt Angle continue to represent himself like he does? Did you see his video attempt at mocking the WWE? How does giving a head butt to a babe (apparently meant to represent Tori Wilson) who's about to make out with him supposed to translate to whimsical comedy?
What's this new lady's name Kong or Queen Kong? the only way I'll find her even mildly interesting is if they bring in Joanie Laurer to feud with her or maybe they could have her battle Rikishi? (Does anybody else wonder why Chyna and Nicole Bass didn't meet in the ring at least once back in the day?)
Why are they making A.J. Styles a Christian flunky?

[Charaxes]

The Pacman Jones stuff has definitely ran it's course. I expect them to drop the titles at Bound for Glory.

As for Angle... I really liked his stuff when he came over. It was hilarous. The stuff he's doing now is a little much for me. I think they're trying to set him up as a legitimate badass, and have him show some real emotion, but I think it's going a little too far at this point.

It's Amazing Kong. She's done some independent work both in America and Japan. As far as I know, they're going to bring in Jazz to feud with her. I thought they also bringing in Shelly Martinez (ECW's Ariel) at Bound for Glory, but that seems not be happening now.

I love A.J. Styles now. I think he's awesome. I know his getting a lot #### for being a sidekick to Christian, but I love it. Before, he never really had a character. He just came out, had great matches, and left. Now, he really has is own character that stands out from the crowd.

[readyeddy?]

It's Amazing Kong. She's done some independent work both in America and Japan. As far as I know, they're going to bring in Jazz to feud with her. I thought they also bringing in Shelly Martinez (ECW's Ariel) at Bound for Glory, but that seems not be happening now.

Ah well, having her tangle with Jazz might be okay but I can't really enjoy matches where she steamrolls over normal sized women. For one thing there's nothing about her that seems amazing. She just looks like the lady who dominates the prison yard at the ladies correctional facility. Pitting Jazz against her would be more interesting then having her dominate Gail Kim. I smell a Vince Russo brainstorm with this one.

[Charaxes]

Ah well, having her tangle with Jazz might be okay but I can't really enjoy matches where she steamrolls over normal sized women. For one thing there's nothing about her that seems amazing. She just looks like the lady who dominates the prison yard at the ladies correctional facility. Pitting Jazz against her would be more interesting then having her dominate Gail Kim. I smell a Vince Russo brainstorm with this one.
Yeah, it was the same problem I had with Goldberg back in the late 90's. I got to the point where you knew he'd win before the match even started, and it really became uninteresting very soon. I've never really been a fan of overly large wrestlers because then you need someone just as big to have a believable match with them. There's really no direction to go to once you've proved that one wrestlers is unbeatable.

The real exception I can think of would be Big Show. Even though he was bigger than almost everyone he wrestled, he was still athletic and entertaining enough to make it watchable. At least until he gained so much weight in his late WWE days. Then, he was pretty slow and boring.

[StormX]

There were two hilarious things about Goldberg:

1) the piped in cheers and chants

2) how his winning streak was like 50-0 one week, the next week it was 87-0, then like 93-0 just so they could do the big 100 quicker.

[Charaxes]

Hey, you never know. He might have wrestled thirty-seven dark matches in a week. Hell, when you only wrestle for three minutes at a time, he could have hundred matches in a week!

[Shinigami]

TNA is best in industry right now. It has best wrestlers around (both male and female) and better segments than in WWE. And best of all, no John Cena!

[Frontman]

TNA is best in industry right now. It has best wrestlers around (both male and female) and better segments than in WWE. And best of all, no John Cena!

Believe what you want, but TNA in my opinion reminds me far too much of WCW.

And that isn't a good thing.


At all.

They have some talent, but until they lose the "good ol boy" Southern influence, and start building up some of their own stars and have them, TNA talent versus TNA talent for long programs FOR THEIR HEAVYWEIGHT TITLE; it will always come across as second tier.

For crying out loud, their "big news" is always "Former WWE/WCW wrestler [insert name here] has invaded the Impact Zone!"

I was interested when it was Jeff Hardy.

Kinda got a kick out of Kurt Angle coming in.

But after Christian, the Stiener Brothers, Scott Hall (again) and now Booker T; its old hat.

Give me a Samoa Joe versus AJ Styles for a few months, with the WWE formers filling out the undercard, then I'd give you they have a shot at being big time. But Jarrett and Carter just love trotting out mid-card WWE talent and saying they're the top guys.