A General Observation About Music.

[readyeddy?]

As one of the oldest members of the Realms, it stands to reason that I would have a strong fondness for the music that I heard as I was growing up and the music that was popular when I was a young adult. That period would be (for me) the Sixties and Seventies.

When The Eighties rolled around I found it harder to keep up because I found myself in different parts of the world that were either a little isolated from current trends or (in the case of the UK) slightly different trends were going on then what I might have seen while I was in the U.S.

The Nineties found me playing a little bit of catchup and observing new changes in the music scene. The Nineties (to my eyes at least) brought on an explosion of musical acts that made it virtually impossible for a man who now had a family and therefore additional responsibilities to keep up with everything. I have no doubt there's a lot of stuff I probably would have enjoyed that escaped my attention. But I tried.

Now we have the Aughties, (maybe you have a better name for this decade, that's the only name for this decade I can think of.) Loads of tremendous music still, and virtually impossible to keep up with it all, but I'm trying.

So now we come to DTM's Rock War threads that I recently began participating in. Naturally being one of the older members of the Realms, my nominations were all going to be old school stuff, though I seriously considered nominating releases by Radiohead or REM but figured someone else would probably cover that for me. I was right about Radiohead and wrong (I think) about REM.

These threads have introduced me to a lot of stuff I might not have given a second thought to, reminded me of stuff I haven't thought about in years, made me take a closer look at music I was familiar with but wasn't jumping through hoops to add to my collection any time soon and given me a chance to share music I think other people should pay more attention to.

What's bothers me, is how insular aso many people's musical tastes seem to be. I see too much complaining about "classic rock" on these threads. From what I've seen classic rock is hardly in the majority in these nominations but everytime there's a classic rock pick up for competition there's somebody having a minor hissy fit about it. "Oh no, woe is me. someone's nominated the Beatles and Dylan and the Stones and Led Zeppelin and the Eagles, sob. Why can't these bands just go away? Why did they even have to exist? Bawl. It's just not right." Give it a rest guys. I don't see anybody complaining about newer artists being nominated.

In fact as far as I'm concerned; I think these nominations are doing me favor, as I'm being introduced to stuff I might never have taken a look at before. I for one, am interested in new music I haven't been exposed to before. Let's pop out the open minds and stop trying to tear down the older music just because; in your eyes, there's cobwebs on it.

This message applies to anybody who's trapped in the past and can't accept the natural growth of musical styles as well. Though, I don't think I've heard from anybody like that in the Rock Wars threads yet.

[VelvetGuru9]

There are a couple of us on the realms that are somewhat older, but that appreciate music from a multitude of decades. It’s easiest to appreciate music from your formidable music years which I think for most people is the ages of 13 to around 26. You can argue around the exact ages but that’s not really going to change dramatically. The point being that your strongest area or knowledge of music is going to consist of those times when you bought music magazines and followed certain bands and hung their pictures on your wall and told everyone that Suzi Quatro only needed to meet you to find out who her true love really was (sheesh, I really digressed there).

Even if you’re in the music business, you follow all the trends and newer bands, and you know enough about today’s music scene to discuss it with people but when it comes to talking about the bands you grew up with, there’s a stronger bond and you speak with a convincing attitude. And after you’ve done that you still wonder why someone who’s interested in music today can’t understand what you’re talking about.

My youngest son just started playing bass and we’ve been having awesome discussions about rock and roll music in general. His favorite two bands are Green Day and Disturbed, and I’ve been able to show him the connection from guys like Gene Vincent to Green Day. And while he still doesn’t appreciate 50s rockers like Gene Vincent, he totally grabbed on to bands like The Who, Alice Cooper, The Ramones, etc…who paved the way for today’s rockers.

In defense of the younger patrons of Rock Wars; I can remember in the 70s when certain musical styles/acts became very uncool to me. And it wasn’t until I got older that my “ear” welcomed those songs and acts again. If you take the people who say "Oh no, woe is me. Someone’s nominated the Beatles and Dylan and the Stones and Led Zeppelin and the Eagles, sob. Why can't these bands just go away? Why did they even have to exist? Bawl. It's just not right,” and somehow met them 20 years in the future when someone else is saying those same things about artists they like, you’ll find they’ve taken ReadyEddy’s stance. It’s just the natural evolution of music; no one wants to like the music their parents listened to.

Funny thing about that is I’ve a strange affection now for Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra and a lot more.

Give them time RE and some day they’ll understand…when 20 years down the road someone is saying that the artists of the 2000s were meh.

[readyeddy?]

Funny thing about that is I’ve a strange affection now for Dean Martin, Frank Sinatra and a lot more.


as do I actually. Glenn Miller, anyone?

[Pashmina]

Yeah, it's usually me that "complains". I don't have a hissy fit, I just think it's kinda dull and a shame.

I just find most classic rock boring and void of much experimentation. Of course it meant a lot more back then, but much of it is just a bit bleh nowadays.

I am instantly attracted to music that is unusual, and that somehow inspires something emotive in you. (I guess everyone is really)

For me, Björk is the undisputed (IMO) queen of doing this. Just listening to the opening track "Hunter" from "Homogenic" just numbs me to everything. It's just amazing.

My favourite artists tend to be somewhat unique, or at least not the norm.

I just kinda feel like people don't understand Björk (and other people like her) if they don't like her, and that they are missing out on something amazing. It's kinda snobby in a way.

I preach that music is subjective but then get annoyed when Classic rock albums get praised. I shouldn't really. :p

[readyeddy?]

Well Pash, if you've been paying attention to my posts you'll notice that I've been praising a lot of stuff that's been introduced on those threads including Bjork and Regina Spektor and there's some classic rock that I don't enjoy at all. I could go the rest of my life without hearing Meat Loaf again and most of Billy Joel's stuff leaves me lukewarm. But I don't think you're the only one complaining. You might be the loudest though. I'll admit to a little exaggeration to your complaining but I was trying to make a point.
I have little time for people who refuse to listen to anything new also. Nothing dismayed me more when I returned to the States and the airwaves seemed to be littered with nothing but classic rock stations. Nice way to help a genre stagnate.
Anyway, how about a little less complaining and a little more considering why people might like this stuff?

[Pashmina]

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. I'm too quick to promote subjectivity, but then disregard some people's tastes. It's a fault of mine. :( :)

My major gripe music-wise though, is people who kinda don't really like music that much, or like have no defining music taste, and stick to what's in the charts. And never explore the amazing variety of music out there. Musi is such a big thing to me. It's kinda what defines me in a way.

(I listed my top played artists in the "Favourite Artsits" thread, If you wanna see what my taste is like)

[readyeddy?]

I took a look. I also PM'd you about Concrete Blonde, a band I'd be surprised if you didn't add to that list. I'm also a little surprised you didn't seem to warm up to Brian Eno.

[Pashmina]

Is he the one from Talking Heads?

I have their first two albums, but didn't really think they were that special. They're ok, and definitely don't turn me off like many bands do, but it's kinda meh.

I've not got any of his solo stuff.

I like Concrete Blonde now though. I'll see if I can get some of their stuff.

[readyeddy?]

Is he the one from Talking Heads?

I have their first two albums, but didn't really think they were that special. They're ok, and definitely don't turn me off like many bands do, but it's kinda meh.

I've not got any of his solo stuff.

I like Concrete Blonde now though. I'll see if I can get some of their stuff.
He was with Roxy Music for their first album, I'm not sure if he was ever involved with Talking Heads. he has some solo albums that qualified for Alternative status despite going back to the early Seventies. "Here Come the Warm Jets" was in the Rock Wars.

[hail_eris]

Eno did production work with the Talking Heads. It was his involvement with them that really established him as a producer of note in the mainstream rock community (his previous stuff with Bowie and Devo had been *really* experimental. After that, he went on to "honorary fifth member" status with U2. As a producer, he's tended towards more emphasis on bass tracks to fill out a band's sound (U2's earlier "I Will Follow" sounds kind of tinny compared to the Eno-produced "Bad" or "With or Without You"). On a personal note, I think Moby ought to send the guy a royalty check every time he sits down at the piano...

[Inbetweener]

I'm kind of with Pash on this. I actually work with a guy who is younger than I am and he thinks that there is no good music after the 70s. This guy even likes "prog rock" like Styx and Emerson, Lake, and Palmer...well, to me that's crazy.

I love older music...check out my posts on the Jazz thread...but nothing makes me happier than to hear something a bit more real while at the same time something completely unique and that neither includes nor excludes "classic rock".

I put a lot of "classic rock" in there with modern popular music...some of it's really great, but some of it is horrible and pretentious. For me, Bob Dylan is basically the greatest and most influential pop music lyricist ever and I still appreciate his music...but at the same time I think Pink Floyd and Aerosmith are incredibly overrated. For modern music, I think the White Stripes are cool but that Coldplay is a bit overrated...from the 80s, I think the Sugarcubes and the Cure were cool but that Aerosmith was still incredibly uncool. From the 90s, I thought Nirvana absolutely kicked @$$ but that the Spin Doctors and Limp Bizkit were really lame. So for me it's not a generational thing...it's just taste.

[readyeddy?]

Funny you should mention progressive rock as I was going to start a thread on that very subject, but felt I would need to get this thread going first. I've more to say but my daughter wants me off the computer so I'll have to say it later.

[Pashmina]

Sugarcubes were just mentioned! REP! lol

I quite like Aerosmith, but that's one of the few, and they kinda felt like they had something that packed more of a punch.

The band that i the most overrated/does nothing for me at all is the Beatles. Just bleh to the ultimate extreme. There's no meat on their bones.

[JKLantern]

Pash, forgive me if I've asked you this before, but I just have to know, what's your opinion on the band Jethro Tull?

[Pashmina]

I've heard of them, but not any of their stuff. I'll check out some on youtube.

EDIT: They're ok. They have a life, unlike the Beatles, but I can't see myself listening to them out of choice really.

[dj_sha]

I just find most classic rock boring and void of much experimentation. Of course it meant a lot more back then, but much of it is just a bit bleh nowadays.

I am instantly attracted to music that is unusual, and that somehow inspires something emotive in you. (I guess everyone is really)

For me, Björk is the undisputed (IMO) queen of doing this. Just listening to the opening track "Hunter" from "Homogenic" just numbs me to everything. It's just amazing.

My favourite artists tend to be somewhat unique, or at least not the norm.

I just kinda feel like people don't understand Björk (and other people like her) if they don't like her, and that they are missing out on something amazing. It's kinda snobby in a way.



I don't know how to respond to this other than saying are you ####ing kidding me? I actually got a little offended reading that.

I'm 17 years old and love music. I'm especially fond of "classic rock", but not because of the genre. It's because back in the 60's/early 70's music was still music, with the coorperate worlds greedy paws staying away. Bands would experiment with extended jams, rock operas, concept albums, stories, lyrics, sounds, and everything else. And they did all this without digital technology too. Imagine putting together something like Strawberry Fields Forever the old fashioned way and you'll start appreciating it more.

But to say the experimentation that took place is bleh is not only ridiculous but ignorant as well. The experimentation was INSANE back then, and not just with paticular artists, but every single artist was trying new things and feeding off each other. Look at the progression of Beach Boys albums vs. Beatles albums for example. Rubber Soul inspired Pet Sounds which inspired Sgt. Peppers and so on, all of which are amazing experimental albums. Not to mention the influence all the experimental artists that is still very prevelant now. The Velvet Underground created Punk and Alternative (decades before the actual movements started), Led Zeppelin created Metal, Bob Dylan added extremely complex lyrics to pop music, and the list goes on.

To me, saying your favorite artists are unique and "not the norm" sounds to me like you're just trying to be different instead of actually listening to the music. It sounds like you're the kind of guy who'd like a band until they hit it big and then say "oh, they sold out." I say this because classic rock has an incredible diversity in music that is by no means bland or repititive. Sure you have some boring acts, but you also have David Bowie, Bob Dylan, The Beatles, Led Zeppelin, The Who, Jimi Hendrix, The Velvet Underground, John Lennon, Neil Young, Joni Mitchell, and more, all some of the most distinctive sounds in popular music. Each are completely unique, and just because some crappy imitators came along and did half ### copys of their styles doesn't mean they're any less unique and amazing. Unfortunately classic rock gets lumped together really awkwardly most of the time, making everyone think of Guns N Roses and AC/DC being the same as The Beach Boys and Cream, when in fact there are a lot of different areas in classic rock that demand exploration.

I just kinda feel like people don't understand classic rock, and because of that they're missing out on something amazing (sound familiar ;)). Plus, none of your favorite aritsts, including your beloved Bjork, would exist without the music from the 60's and early 70's. So even if you don't like it, learn your history before talking bout music!

[hail_eris]

The experimentation was INSANE back then, and not just with paticular artists, but every single artist was trying new things and feeding off each other.
Heck, look at Link Wray. The man invented the power chord and fuzz tones. Not in a figurative way - the man actually *invented* them. And he's a relative unknown compared to artists like the Beach Boys.

[Inbetweener]

Great post dj_sha. Maybe I'll rep you again after I spread some around...

But still, not meant even as nitpicking...Bjork is the kind of artist that influences more than she's influenced. I can't pinpoint exactly where her influences in ambience or electronica come from in some of the artists you've noted, nor of course her heavy Jazz influence. Her voice is of course both powerful and extremely unique. I definitely don't think it's over the top to mention her as on par with the likes of Joni Mitchell or the Velvet Underground.

I think if one puts the experimentation of musicians in the context of the time period they can really begin to appreciate why it really isn't so dry and repititive, but if you don't frame it as such then it sounds that way. To me, late 70s prog rock is the Big Freeze in rock as opposed to the Big Bang of the late 60s...so it poisons the view on classic rock for some folks.

For example, I love movies even more than music and I can understand why films like The Seventh Seal or 8 1/2 are not necessarily appreciated the way they once were. The fact is they are still hugely significant and influential and noone can contend that...on the other hand, recent films like Children of Men or Pan's Labryrinth are pretty fresh for mainstream and like 8 1/2 will probably influence how films are made for many years. Just another totally off topic thought. :)

[Inbetweener]

Heck, look at Link Wray. The man invented the power chord and fuzz tones. Not in a figurative way - the man actually *invented* them. And he's a relative unknown compared to artists like the Beach Boys.

You are an encyclopedia. Link Wray rules...was even mentioned in the top guitarists thread?

[Pashmina]

I said it's bleh to me nowadays. And I said it was better back then. So.. :rolleyes:

I do know that the now classic rock era was one of the (if not the) most important eras in popular music. I just find much of it dull or not able to hold up anymore. Or at least not stand up against some of my favourite artists. But you can't really compare since my oldest "favourite" I think is Siouxsie And The Banshees, which is like 1977 and then mostly 90's onwards for me.

I just said they "tend" to be not the norm. I don't go out of my way to ignore popular music. I just don't like a lot of it.

I probably have my genres mixed/wrong. I love Joni Mitchell, and I wouldn't have said she was classic rock, but maybe i've been classifying it wrong (Folk/Pop?). I like the Velvet Underground too, mainly cause of Nico's voice.

I know looking in retrospect isn't as good as actually listening to it back then, when it would have probably appealed to me much more.

But then, I find myself lumping too many artists together and saying I dislike them, which is a pet hate of mine. I just find in general "classic rock" doesn't grab me. And that much of it's bleh to me nowadays.

You kinda picked up on complaints that weren't there, but whatever.

I was just voicing my opinion (without saying "It's ####! All classic rock is rubbish and only bjork is good!!!!11!, I might add), and it wasn't some attack against you. It's more about how I hear the songs for me. A lot of it is in their age, which sounds really ignorant of me, but I find the old recordings really hard to listen to. It's like they've diluted the rock out of it, in many cases...(Maybe that's just me?)

Sorry I offended you, but I'd try and read what I said more carefully next time.

I am instantly attracted to music that is unusual, and that somehow inspires something emotive in you. (I guess everyone is really)

Each to their own. I appreciate you defending the music you love (I do it often enough), but it was kinda unnecesarry in this case.

[Amora's_best_friend]

I don't get when people say "so and so's music wouldn't exist if not for x".

Someone would have done it eventually anyway.

Also, in the case of Bjork she's so crazy that she probably would have done it without any precedence anyway.

[VelvetGuru9]

Heck, look at Link Wray. The man invented the power chord and fuzz tones. Not in a figurative way - the man actually *invented* them. And he's a relative unknown compared to artists like the Beach Boys.
Damn Hail, you always hit the nail on the freakin' head. Rock on with your snobby self. GMRA

[spacedye]

I don't get when people say "so and so's music wouldn't exist if not for x".

Someone would have done it eventually anyway.


But the point is that someone did it. Sabbath down-tuned, the Beatles changed their style every album and Hendrix made white noise sound awesome. Would someone else have done it eventually? Yeah, maybe, but who cares? These bands did it and that's what counts.

I find it hard to understand how people can say a band like the Beatles are bland, or don't stand up. They've done it all and their music has so many layers to it. I think a common misconception is that the Beatles did a bunch of happy-go-lucky-everyone-love-each-other-peace-to-the-world music. They were really ahead of their time and I can't see them being outdated ever.

I listen to a lot of classic bands like Sabbath, Zeppelin, the Beatles, the Who, Pink Floyd, etc. I find them fantastic. I also listen to a lot of popular bands from the past decade, like Avril Lavigne, Blink-182, Green Day and Tenacious D. Of course I like the obscure/indie stuff too, like Joanna Newsom (I find myself mentioning her in every thread here. Hmm...), Tilly & The Wall, Strapping Young Lad, Anathema, dredg and Porcupine Tree. Another concept I find hard is people who are really focused on one genre of music. I couldn't stand it.

[Dark Flash2099]

For me, personally, I tend to stick with what has a very dominant guitar sound (Metal, Southern Rock, etc). That said, I love a lot of the older Punk stuff as well as a lot of the 90s Alternative/College Rock that came out.

[theanalogkid]

I tend to stick to what I know. One roommate asked how I don't listen to any past 1979. The Rock TOCs are making me listen to stuff I normally wouldn't, so thanks for that.

[Pashmina]

I don't know. I guess I'm just more attracted to contemporary electronic music/alternative music and more "heavy" guitar based bands with a bit of spunk. Beatles are bit wishy-washy for me, if you know what I mean..

Not enough oomph for me. Only song I really like is "Lady Madonna".

[readyeddy?]

Pash, I've just posted a thread showcasing a classic rock band from my era. I'd like you specifically to check out the links I provided, then tell me if you find this band bland or boring.

[Pashmina]

Pash, I've just posted a thread showcasing a classic rock band from my era. I'd like you specifically to check out the links I provided, then tell me if you find this band bland or boring.

Is that the prgressive rock thread?

I listened to the first 2-3 parts of Remember The Future by Nektar. It just didn't grab me. It was waaaaay too long, and did get boring. However, if it was shortened into a more digestable form, it would probably be better and grab my attention more. Still, utterly forgetable for me atm.

I'll check out some more links.

EDIT:

Just listen to that King Of Crimson one or something. Did absolutely nothing for me. It ws slow, but wasn't emotional or interesting, and it wasn't rocky enough to actually pique my imterest in any way. I forgot I was listening to music. Then I went back to Siouxsie Sioux.

[theanalogkid]

Pash, you also might check out Robert Plat's solo stuff. It sounds nothing at all like Zep. I am techno impaired, so just go to youtube and do a search.

[readyeddy?]

Is that the prgressive rock thread?

I listened to the first 2-3 parts of Remember The Future by Nektar. It just didn't grab me. It was waaaaay too long, and did get boring. However, if it was shortened into a more digestable form, it would probably be better and grab my attention more. Still, utterly forgetable for me atm.

I'll check out some more links.

EDIT:

Just listen to that King Of Crimson one or something. Did absolutely nothing for me. It ws slow, but wasn't emotional or interesting, and it wasn't rocky enough to actually pique my imterest in any way. I forgot I was listening to music. Then I went back to Siouxsie Sioux.
Whoops, I should have been more specific. I really wasn't expecting you to like the Progressive rock. I just started a thread today called "The musical artist discussion thread vol 2. That's the one I meant. Sorry, my bad.

[spacedye]

I actually think you would like Progressive Rock, Pash. Lots of unusual and experimental stuff going on there. Here are a couple of different artists:

Porcupine Tree - Russia on Ice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdX02BGo5zE&mode=related&search=)

It's king of long and is mostly instrumental, but it's a haunting and beautiful song. The video is unrelated, so ignore it. In case you're not privy to a 10 minute song here are some shorter ones.

Porcupine Tree - Lazarus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfmOtTMa-8M&mode=related&search=)

Not entirely in their usual tone, but still a nice song. Mostly piano, but other music jumps in later. A bit faster than Russia on Ice and only a few minute long.

Ayreon - Day 11: Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIAu8XwFT78)

This song has a few vocalists, a couple of which are female. It's more metal than rock, but I think you might dig it. It's part of a larger story (guy falls into a coma; meets his emotions and relives his life) but the song stands on its own.

Ayreon - Day 13: Sign (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btyr50spwmY)

Mostly female vocals. Slower song too.

[Pashmina]

I actually think you would like Progressive Rock, Pash. Lots of unusual and experimental stuff going on there. Here are a couple of different artists:

Porcupine Tree - Russia on Ice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdX02BGo5zE&mode=related&search=)

It's king of long and is mostly instrumental, but it's a haunting and beautiful song. The video is unrelated, so ignore it. In case you're not privy to a 10 minute song here are some shorter ones.

Porcupine Tree - Lazarus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfmOtTMa-8M&mode=related&search=)

Not entirely in their usual tone, but still a nice song. Mostly piano, but other music jumps in later. A bit faster than Russia on Ice and only a few minute long.

Ayreon - Day 11: Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIAu8XwFT78)

This song has a few vocalists, a couple of which are female. It's more metal than rock, but I think you might dig it. It's part of a larger story (guy falls into a coma; meets his emotions and relives his life) but the song stands on its own.

Ayreon - Day 13: Sign (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btyr50spwmY)

Mostly female vocals. Slower song too.

Just listened to Day 11 and Lazarus, and I wuite like them. I prefer Ayreon though, to Porcupine Tree. Dramatic, without the cheesiness.

[readyeddy?]

I actually think you would like Progressive Rock, Pash. Lots of unusual and experimental stuff going on there. Here are a couple of different artists:

Porcupine Tree - Russia on Ice (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdX02BGo5zE&mode=related&search=)

It's king of long and is mostly instrumental, but it's a haunting and beautiful song. The video is unrelated, so ignore it. In case you're not privy to a 10 minute song here are some shorter ones.

Porcupine Tree - Lazarus (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dfmOtTMa-8M&mode=related&search=)

Not entirely in their usual tone, but still a nice song. Mostly piano, but other music jumps in later. A bit faster than Russia on Ice and only a few minute long.

Ayreon - Day 11: Love (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIAu8XwFT78)

This song has a few vocalists, a couple of which are female. It's more metal than rock, but I think you might dig it. It's part of a larger story (guy falls into a coma; meets his emotions and relives his life) but the song stands on its own.

Ayreon - Day 13: Sign (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Btyr50spwmY)

Mostly female vocals. Slower song too.
You should have posted these on the progressive rock thread.

[Dark Flash2099]

Just listened to Day 11 and Lazarus, and I wuite like them. I prefer Ayreon though, to Porcupine Tree. Dramatic, without the cheesiness.

Ayreon - The Human Equation

You should get it. I think you'd like it.

[Pashmina]

I might just do that actually! :)

(Agh, I can't stop listening to Mantaray by Siouxsie Sioux (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3CC0t66gd4). Just gets better and better!)

[Dark Flash2099]

I might just do that actually! :)

(Agh, I can't stop listening to Mantaray by Siouxsie Sioux (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T3CC0t66gd4). Just gets better and better!)

I honestly suggest looking up to see what The Human Equation is about before you jump into it. The music really distracted me from the story the first time I listened to it, but I also get lost in music really easily.

[spacedye]

Yeah. The Human Equation is a concept album and while the music is great on its own it is 10x better when you can follow along with it.

[Dark Flash2099]

Pash, did you ever check out Ayreon - The Human Equation?

[turdburglar47]

The band that i the most overrated/does nothing for me at all is the Beatles. Just bleh to the ultimate extreme. There's no meat on their bones.


...

Wait. You don't like bands that don't experiment, yet you think the Beatles are bleh? They got nutty with the experimentation!

[Pashmina]

Yeah, I'm crazy/hypocritical.

I guess I have to like the music they make too.

Totally blah for me. There are select songs I like, but not muchto make me vote for them over many other artists in the album TOCs.

[spacedye]

The Beatles are the kings of experimentation/wonky music. It's just as crazy to say the Beatles have no substance in their music as it does to say Bjork is bland.



... wait a minute. :p

[turdburglar47]

Revolution #9, if I recall, is wonktastic.


Truth is, I think a lot of the problem comes from an issue I know I have. If enough people tell me I have to like something, I'm much less inclined to enjoy it, because shut up.

The entirety of popular culture for the last 40 years or so has been telling the entire world that they have to enjoy the Beatles because Beatles are bigger than Jesus. I lucked out and grew up on them, so I dig 'em a lot, but I can certainly understand why it can be fun to hate what everyone else loves.

Case in point: I hate the Matrix movies, and I relish hating them. Even the first one, and it was exacerbated by how many people worshipped that movie.

I also didn't really get into the classic stuff until I'd gotten older. In college, I was ALWAYS INTO THE NEW (although I did love hearing Mr. Roboto from time to time). It can be a matter of age, too.

[spacedye]

I totally know what you mean. I have friends that "hate" the Beatles and I know it's because so many other people love them. The same goes for a game like Halo. It's a lot of fun, but because it's so damn popular you get haters who don't even give it a chance.

I disliked the Beatles until I was about 17. I thought their music was lame and just happy, tree-hugging slop. It wasn't until I really listened to their albums that I realized how amazing they really are. It can be hard to believe that the band that did Help! is the same band that did Sgt. Peppers and even Magical Mystery Tour. Much like Citizen Kane, the Beatles live up to the hype.

[Pashmina]

I generally dilike popular things, lol! Well not really (I confess to loving some of the chart hits like Umbrella :) ), but things like that ridiculous Boba Fett craze a few years back, and general worship of Beatles and stuff. I found Matrix 1 (not seen the others) interesting, but nothing that special.

Maybe i'll learn to like the Beatles over time. You never know. It really is a dislike for their music rather than an attention thing with me. I think I have quite a far spreading music taste (genre-wise), but they just never clicked with me.

I know they're good, I just dislike allmost everything about them. I just want to punch them in the face when I look at them (yeah, not really about the music, but still).

[turdburglar47]

Maybe i'll learn to like the Beatles over time. You never know. It really is a dislike for their music rather than an attention thing with me. I think I have quite a far spreading music taste (genre-wise), but they just never clicked with me.

I know they're good, I just dislike allmost everything about them. I just want to punch them in the face when I look at them (yeah, not really about the music, but still).


Heh. I want to punch SO MANY bands in the face. It's usually very haircut based. And anyone with Beatlesesque moptops today qualify. I really have to stop looking at new bands, because it really affects my ability to like them.

I hated Led Zeppelin and AC/DC growing up. Mainly because all the jerk-offs in high school liked them, and I refused to. I still can hardly believe the lead singer of AC/DC is paid to do something he's the worst at in the world, barring nuclear physics, but I can see where that horrid growl has its appeal.

I eventually had one too many moments of flipping radio dials and going 'wow, that's a great groove, who is this?' and always finding out it was Zeppelin. I HATED listening to Robert Plant fake orgasms in Whole Lotta Love SO MUCH... but there were SO MANY awesome grooves that I had to give up.

I hated U2 for a while, too, thanks to Joshua Tree overkill. Then I heard a song on the radio, thinking it was the Psychadelic Furs or something, and I went 'who is this? I like this, what is this?' The it was "With or Without You" and I had to admit defeat.

It's hard to relinquish hatreds, but age helps mellow you out a bit about such things.