HCRealms Mafia - JLA 2 - Game Thread

[TMNT99]

Before we begin, let's recap the rules (paraphrased from Peers' many wonderful games):

Things to remember:
1) A full writeup of the rules can be found here (http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page) This game will be more complicated than what's described there, as nearly everyone has some sort of 'special thing' about them. Doesn't mean everyone has a night power, but you never know...

2) When you vote, please do so by saying Vote: [Player] in bold. If you wish to change your vote, please say Change Vote: [Player] instead. Voting for 'Nobody' is a valid vote; if a majority votes for 'nobody' then nobody will be lynched and we'll move on to the Night phase.

3) If your role says you -may- PM me a target, you don't have to do anything at night. Even so, it'll speed things along quite a bit if you'd still just send me a PM saying "Not using my [whatever] power tonight, thanks."

4) If your role says you -must- PM me a target, and you do not? I'll pick one randomly. Or, perhaps, not-so-randomly. Don't blame me if you target someone who kills you.

5) You may NOT send a PM to anyone about this game unless your role explicitly says you can. This is cheating.

6) Do NOT edit your posts in this thread. This is cheating.

7) Please do not copy-and-paste anything from any PM I send you to the thread. This is also cheating.

8) Please do not post in this thread after you are killed. This, too, is cheating and can ruin the game if done wrong.

9) Cheaters don't get to play in any other Mafia games I run. Period.

10) Remember, it's just a game. You will get paranoid, you will be stabbed in the back by someone, you will see somebody do or say something stupid and want to smack them. Just breathe deep and relax. If things get out of hand, we do have a mod playing who will forcibly remind you to chill out if needed. It hasn't happened yet, and I'd like to keep it that way.

11) Quoth Tuttle: EXPECT ANYTHING!!!

PMs have already been sent out to everyone who'd expressed interest in playing.

Players

Rokk_Krinn, St-Dumas, biz567, DocDoom187, CarlosMucha, Antipathy, Shadow40, theanalogkid, KitsuShel, Melkhor, CurBludgeon, bigbro911, kontrol, Doombot 3.1, NAES72, The Vision, Amora's_best_friend, Thawmus, DarkCorsair, JackAssterson, vicious x, Jackofhearts2005, Stepper79, scehaono, RCricket55, Pashmina, Magnito, turdburglar47, KaineMak, hot_fusion, bamf!

Open (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3009687&postcount=2)

Day 1 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3010073&postcount=56)

Night 1 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3013026&postcount=57)

Day 2 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3014388&postcount=305)

Night 2 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3017172&postcount=317)

Day 3 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3019971&postcount=870)

Night 3 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3022467&postcount=878)

Day 4 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3023595&postcount=1046)

Night 4 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3024747&postcount=1047)

Day 5 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3028537&postcount=1439)

Night 5 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3030080&postcount=1451)

Day 6 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3030156&postcount=1477)

Night 6 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3035423&postcount=1836)

Day 7 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3035426&postcount=1837)

Night 7 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3038906&postcount=1838)

Day 8 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3040752&postcount=2021)

Night 8 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3043996&postcount=2022)

Day 9 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3045864&postcount=2125)

Night 9 (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3048945&postcount=2126)

[TMNT99]

Months have passed since the events of the last time we left our heroes. Superman orchestrated a funeral for those who died. They were honored like heroes, even Hal Jordan.

Those who survived and knew the real truth were never the same. Guy Gardner was kicked out of the corps for his use of lethal force. Hawkman became even more aggressive, know seeing himself as more self-righteous than ever. And Green Arrow went into a pit of self-pity, questioning everything he ever believed and stood for.

The Satellite Base was left to be the moths.

Until one day the Legion of Doom (those that remained) crept there evil head into Gotham City. With Batman dead, those left could hardly hold off the threat. Superman as always showed up and with the help of a rag tag group of heroes, the threat was stopped.

It was at that moment, Superman saw the need for a New JLA more than ever.

An audition was going to be held and the newly renovated Satellite Base. All were told to come in civilian clothes to a secret location on earth to be transported to the outer space base.

The new base was bigger than ever, supporting hundreds of non-meta-humans to run the new base.

Dozens had shown up for the interview process. Superman came and stood before everyone, he looked as imposing as ever to younger and newer heroes. "Everyone, I'm glad you're here!" he started.

Just then, the lights went out, the red emergency light immediately came on. "Power Malfunction" was all the computer could say.

Superman kept everyone calm. Unfortunately, they were only able to get a small portion of people out, Superman made sure it was all civilians first, with only a few heroes. They had instructions to drop everyone off, and come back for the rest of them.

It shouldn't have taken long. Hours later, they knew something had gone wrong. Maybe the transport ship had crashed on landing, or gone off course, but something had gone wrong. They were now stranded in outer space, with no way off the Satellite. They didn't have enough power for anything besides lights on, and rations from going bad.

Superman still kept everyone calm, and had called everyone to assemble.

Everyone showed up in one room. To find Superman bloody and battered. Someone had gone one and one with Superman, his body looked nearly charred somehow. He was rushed to the Infirmary.

And it was oddly quiet. Someone here wasn't a hero at all....

TMNT99 is dead (well nearly dead). He was Superman

Day 1 begins now, with 30 active players, 16 is a majority vote. You have 24 hours

[Rokk_Krinn]

No. I am not Max Lord again...just to get that out of the way. :rolleyes:

[St-Dumas]

Vote: No lynch

Tradition.

[TMNT99]

No. I am not Max Lord again...just to get that out of the way. :rolleyes:

Of course not, he's dead. :knockedou

[JackAssterson]

No. I am not Max Lord again...just to get that out of the way. :rolleyes:

I know for a fact that you're not Max Lord, Nightwing or Crazy Hand.

Which evil role you are this game remains to be seen. :grin:

[Magnito]

No lynch

Not yet at least.

[DocDoom187]

Speaking of Tradition

Lynch Vote: TMNT


Anywya

Vote: No lynchy!

[JackAssterson]

Oh, and no lynch

[Antipathy]

Vote: No Lynch

[Rokk_Krinn]

I know for a fact that you're not Max Lord, Nightwing or Crazy Hand.

Which evil role you are this game remains to be seen. :grin:

I would say JackAssterson but I wasn't that lucky. :laugh:

Sorry, you're stuck with ol' RK this game (well, at least until someone pulls a "Thawmus" on me and kills me right off the bat two games in a row. :) )

[biz567]

Vote: No Lynch

[Rokk_Krinn]

I know for a fact that you're not Max Lord, Nightwing or Crazy Hand.

Which evil role you are this game remains to be seen. :grin:

Oh, and what makes you so certain I'm not Nightwing again? :noid:

Just to make it official...

Lynch Vote: DocDoom187

(Hey, why not? :) )

[turdburglar47]

Can we get a list of the dead heroes from the last game? It'll help narrow down the field.

I know Aquaman is dead. :)

[JackAssterson]

Zatanna bought it. :sleep:

[Rokk_Krinn]

Can we get a list of the dead heroes from the last game? It'll help narrow down the field.

I know Aquaman is dead. :)

It's comic-books. How can you be certain they're all dead? :surprised

[DocDoom187]

Oh, and what makes you so certain I'm not Nightwing again? :noid:

Just to make it official...

Lynch Vote: DocDoom187

(Hey, why not? :) )
Poop head

Vote:Docdoom187!!!

Wait........

:p

[Jackofhearts2005]

I like how Superman is (nearly) dead again. :rolleyes:

Vote: no lynch

[turdburglar47]

It's comic-books. How can you be certain they're all dead? :surprised


True, but a list of the suspected dead might come in handy, too.

Vote: No Lynch

[theanalogkid]

Vote: No Lynch

[Doombot 3.1]

VOTE: No lynch

Well, Snapper Carr managed to survive the last game. :cheeky: No idea if TMNT99 included him here. If someone did get stuck with that role, well, you have my sympathies. :p

[TMNT99]

DocDoom187 (1): Rokk_Krinn

No Lynch (6): biz567, Antipathy, DocDoom187, JackAssterson,
Magnito, St-Dumas

With 31 active players, 16 is still a majority

[TMNT99]

DocDoom187 (1): Rokk_Krinn

No Lynch (10): biz567, Antipathy, DocDoom187, JackAssterson,
Magnito, St-Dumas, Jackofhearts2005, turdburglar47, theanalogkid, Doombot 3.1

With 31 active players, 16 is still a majority

[hot_fusion]

Vote: No Lynch

[Rokk_Krinn]

Come on guys! 15 more votes gets rid of the kid. :cheeky:

List of the dead heroes from the last game for TB47: Aquaman, Hallalax, Max Lord (what? :noid: ), Booster Gold, Zatanna, Batman, Blue Beetle, J'onn, Flash (I think...need to double-check this), Wonder Woman, Black Canary and someone I'm likely forgetting

[DocDoom187]

You sir, suck. lol.

Its because i'm the biggest threat. RK is afraid of me....


lol

[KitsuShel]

Poor Superman, lol.

Vote: No lynch

Lets see how fast it takes me to get killed this time. (Me and Rokk both KOed first night in the Smash Brothers)

[Rokk_Krinn]

You sir, suck. lol.

Its because i'm the biggest threat. RK is afraid of me....


lol

I actually wish I didn't have to antagonize you like this because that -does- make me afraid. :ermm:

[DocDoom187]

I actually wish I didn't have to antagonize you like this because that -does- make me afraid. :ermm:
Wait. I'm confused. What makes you afraid of what?

[KitsuShel]

I actually wish I didn't have to antagonize you like this because that -does- make me afraid. :ermm:

Dooms a ##### cat, I wouldn't be afraid of him. Now, Assterson, now thats a scary cat.

;)

[DarkCorsair]

Vote: No Lynch

Maybe Snapper is back in a "Jimmy Olsen in Countdown" role, so any time someone tries to kill him, he manifests crazy powers. Then it'd be cool to be snapper.

[TMNT99]

DocDoom187 (1): Rokk_Krinn

No Lynch (12): biz567, Antipathy, DocDoom187, JackAssterson,
Magnito, St-Dumas, Jackofhearts2005, turdburglar47, theanalogkid, Doombot 3.1, hot_fusion, DarkCorsair

With 31 active players, 16 is still a majority

[Rokk_Krinn]

Know the best way to check and see if a kid has crazy powers?

Lynch DocDoom187! :laugh:

[St-Dumas]

It's never cool to be Snapper Carr.

Ever.

[DocDoom187]

Dooms a ##### cat, I wouldn't be afraid of him. Now, Assterson, now thats a scary cat.

;)

Wait. WTF? I take offense! :p

Ask Rokk. When he was NightWing, and had everyone confounded, I figured out who he was, and PMed him!

And i figured out his misleading riddles. AND i picked up on the false clues he left, before I knew they were false!

I'm not nearly as dumb as you think Shel

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm not nearly as dumb as you think Shel
How could you be? ;)

[DocDoom187]

How could you be? ;)
I hate you all!!

*runs away to room*

I wish you weren;t my family!!!

*slams door*

:cry:

[vicious x]

vote no lynch

[Rokk_Krinn]

I hate you all!!

*runs away to room*

I wish you weren;t my family!!!

*slams door*

:cry:

You think of us as family? I'm actually feeling bad now...

...but I'm still pushing for at least one more lynch vote on you. :p

[DocDoom187]

You think of us as family? I'm actually feeling bad now...

...but I'm still pushing for at least one more lynch vote on you. :p
I actually feel complimented that you want me lynched:p

But what if I'm, a townie? Then you must be mafia!

[Rokk_Krinn]

I actually feel complimented that you want me lynched:p

But what if I'm, a townie? Then you must be mafia!

Yes, that -must- be the only explanation. :rolleyes:

Sheesh, I think I'm getting typecast as EEEEVIL!

(But I'm still keeping my lynch vote on you - if only because you were a bit boastful because, hate to tell you, you did get a few of those Nightwing clues wrong even if you were on the right track. :) )

[DocDoom187]

Yes, that -must- be the only explanation. :rolleyes:

Sheesh, I think I'm getting typecast as EEEEVIL!

(But I'm still keeping my lynch vote on you - if only because you were a bit boastful because, hate to tell you, you did get a few of those Nightwing clues wrong even if you were on the right track. :) )
Hehe. I still figured out moree than most :p

I wasn't boasting, just telling Shel I'm not stupid, But i DO do my best thinking when I'm dead ;)

[The Vision]

No Lynch

Lets move this thing along.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sheesh, I think I'm getting typecast as EEEEVIL!

Well, we'll know soon enough.

If you aren't, you'll probably be dead on the first night.

Hell, you were bad in the SSB game and you still died on the first night. :laugh:

[TMNT99]

DocDoom187 (1): Rokk_Krinn

No Lynch (14): biz567, Antipathy, DocDoom187, JackAssterson,
Magnito, St-Dumas, Jackofhearts2005, turdburglar47, theanalogkid, Doombot 3.1, hot_fusion, DarkCorsair, vicious x, The Vision

With 31 active players, 16 is still a majority

[KitsuShel]

Hehe. I still figured out moree than most :p

I wasn't boasting, just telling Shel I'm not stupid, But i DO do my best thinking when I'm dead ;)

I never said you were stupid, sweetie, just a bit obtuse at time.

:p

[NAES72]

No Lynch here we go

[DocDoom187]

I never said you were stupid, sweetie, just a bit obtuse at time.

:p

Define obtuse........

Stupid? Yea probably

iirational? At times

Big mouthed? Most definately

obtuse? ehhhh

[St-Dumas]

So...what are we waiting on?

[DocDoom187]

So...what are we waiting on?
:eek:

No lynch obviously has a lawyer protecting it!!!

[The Vision]

So...what are we waiting on?

One more vote.

[TMNT99]

DocDoom187 (1): Rokk_Krinn

No Lynch (14): biz567, Antipathy, DocDoom187, JackAssterson,
Magnito, St-Dumas, Jackofhearts2005, turdburglar47, theanalogkid, Doombot 3.1, hot_fusion, DarkCorsair, vicious x, The Vision, NAES72

With 31 active players, 16 is still a majority

Unless I'm missing someone, we're still missing one vote..

[KitsuShel]

DocDoom187 (1): Rokk_Krinn

No Lynch (14): biz567, Antipathy, DocDoom187, JackAssterson,
Magnito, St-Dumas, Jackofhearts2005, turdburglar47, theanalogkid, Doombot 3.1, hot_fusion, DarkCorsair, vicious x, The Vision, NAES72

With 31 active players, 16 is still a majority

Unless I'm missing someone, we're still missing one vote..

NAES makes 15 plus you missed mine.

[DocDoom187]

dang you Rokk Krinn. Dang you to heck!

[KitsuShel]

Poor Superman, lol.

Vote: No lynch

Lets see how fast it takes me to get killed this time. (Me and Rokk both KOed first night in the Smash Brothers)

See? Me vote No Lynch, too.

:)

[TMNT99]

I did miss one....

DocDoom187 (1): Rokk_Krinn

No Lynch (12): biz567, Antipathy, DocDoom187, JackAssterson,
Magnito, St-Dumas, Jackofhearts2005, turdburglar47, theanalogkid, Doombot 3.1, hot_fusion, DarkCorsair, KitsuShel

With 30 active players, 16 votes have been met.

===========================================

The shock of seeing Superman so weak and vunerable, well it put you for a spin. You head to your room and hope that it was a one time type of thing.

You all have 24 hours to get me your PMS. I'll re-open early if we get them faster. If you don't want to use your ability, a Pm would also be nice.

[TMNT99]

NIGHT 1 IS OVER

"The night is young," one man thought to himself as he was about to leave his room. However, whatever thoughts he had about leaving his room for whatever reason were quickly changed. He now felt the overwhelming urge to do something else. Something he was told to do. He would obey the will of a stranger.

=============================================

Elsewhere..

"Dum-de-dum-de do. It's almost Wedneday, and you know what that means don't you? Sloppy Joes! Ahh, what a dream, what a sandwich" one man said talking completely to himself.

If anyone was watching him, they would have though him to be mad.

And one person was watching him, but wasn't one to judge in the areas of madness, he's constant changing drew him close many times.

Tonight though, his target would die the a more traditional way, without even knowing what would happen, a knife was lodged in his ribs. The killer moved silently back to his room.

Thom felt dizzy, and his life ended in blackness, and he saw his DreamGirl in his thoughts, wishing he had never left her.

===========================================

DocDoom187 is dead. He was the JSA member known as Starman (Thom Kallor), a mixed up hero in a mixed up time.

Day 2 begins now, with 29 active players, 15 is a majority vote. You have 24 hours

Players: Rokk_Krinn, St-Dumas, biz567, CarlosMucha, Antipathy, Shadow40, theanalogkid, KitsuShel, Melkhor, CurBludgeon, bigbro911, kontrol, Doombot 3.1, NAES72, The Vision, Amora's_best_friend, Thawmus, DarkCorsair, JackAssterson, vicious x, Jackofhearts2005, Stepper79, scehaono, RCricket55, Pashmina, Magnito, turdburglar47, KaineMak, hot_fusion, bamf!

[DocDoom187]

My parting words. I feel honored that all of a sudden I'm considered a threat in every mafia game. I knew I was dead before reading the writeup :p

[turdburglar47]

JSA is in the house. That's how we're filling in the dead-guy gaps.

[CurBludgeon]

Noooo! Not Starman. He's one of the few funny guys in the DCU!

[biz567]

Noooo! Not Starman. He's one of the few funny guys in the DCU!

Then how did Doom get his role?:rolleyes:

:laugh:

[turdburglar47]

I think Plastic Man would take offense to that.

[CurBludgeon]

I think Plastic Man would take offense to that.

If Plastic Man can live with his new dial from JL, then he'll be fine with this snub. :cheeky:

[turdburglar47]

So, anybody got anything to go on? We've got a mind-controller, and it's not necessarily the murderer of Starman who got mind-controlled...

[Jackofhearts2005]

My parting words. I feel honored that all of a sudden I'm considered a threat in every mafia game. I knew I was dead before reading the writeup :p
This is how you know I'm not mafia. :cheeky:

[St-Dumas]

So someone got mind controlled and someone get killed. Are they connected? Possibly. Was Starman a good guy? Probably.

Does anyone have any useful info?

[scehaono]

so even if we figure out who killed starman, we might not know if we have a good guy or a bad guy...great

[turdburglar47]

Why would Starman be a bad guy? He's JSA.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm pretty sure the mind controled guy and the killer are separate.

Still, I can't think of many JLA enemies that kill with a simple knife. :ermm:

[St-Dumas]

Not necessarily a JL villain. Maybe a Batman villain. They use knives, right?

[turdburglar47]

Yeah, we are dealing with Gotham mostly, right? Cleaning up after Batman?

[St-Dumas]

So it could be someone like Zsasz or Red Hood maybe.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why would we be dealing with the likes of Zsasz and the Red Hood?

This is the new JLA base and somebody already beat the tar out of Superman. We have JL and JSA characters involved.

I don't know, it just seems like we're dealing with something a little bigger.

[turdburglar47]

The Legion of Doom set up shop in Gotham, according to the write-up. They could easily have recruited a bunch of Arkhamites.

[Jackofhearts2005]

The Legion of Doom set up shop in Gotham, according to the write-up. They could easily have recruited a bunch of Arkhamites.
Oh, well that's true.

Still, they don't seem like the best guys to use to take down the new (would be) justice league AND they've have to find a way to get on the satalite.

I guess we'll just have to see.

Did we ever make a list of all the dead people from last game?

[scehaono]

what i meant was, if we collar the person who was mind-controlled into killing doom, we won't know (unless we get them alignment checked) if they're good or bad - we can't just make the automatic assumption

[vicious x]

So someone got mind controlled and someone get killed. Are they connected? Possibly. Was Starman a good guy? Probably.

Does anyone have any useful info?

personally I think the mind controller is the second mafia,... they are just recruiting guys at the moment,... now who are the mind controllers in the JLA/JSA world??? Mr.Mind? :ermm:

[Jackofhearts2005]

The dead from last game:

Wonder Woman
Flash (Barry)
Green Lantern
Martian Manhunter
Aquaman
Batman
Black Canary
Blue Beetle
Booster Gold
Damage
The Atom
Zatanna

Bad guys dead:
Maxwell Lord
Lex Luthor
Captain Cold
The Riddler
Sinestro
The Joker

Alive from last game:
Superman (already KOed)
Green Arrow
Hawkman
Guy Gardener

And then I didn't see if Snapper Car lived or died.

[turdburglar47]

Mind Controllers:

Gorilla Grodd
Mad Hatter
Mr. Mind
Dr. Psycho
Eclipso

[vicious x]

Oh, well that's true.

Still, they don't seem like the best guys to use to take down the new (would be) justice league AND they've have to find a way to get on the satalite.

I guess we'll just have to see.

Did we ever make a list of all the dead people from last game?

well I know Green Arrow and Hawkman are alive :) guy guardian also survived,... maybe snapper carr? not sure who else

[Jackofhearts2005]

Mind Controllers:

Gorilla Grodd
Mad Hatter
Mr. Mind
Dr. Psycho
Eclipso
Hector Hammond :ermm:

[turdburglar47]

Deathstroke could likely use a knife.

[vicious x]

Mind Controllers:

Gorilla Grodd
Mad Hatter
Mr. Mind
Dr. Psycho
Eclipso

out of all of these guys I would think Dr. Psycho to be the one that could/would start a new mafia,...

[The BoyBlunder]

I know another MC'er, but as I'm not playing, I don't know if I'm even allowe d to post, much less throw out a name.

[turdburglar47]

I know another MC'er, but as I'm not playing, I don't know if I'm even allowe d to post, much less throw out a name.


Yeah, if you're not in the game, you shouldn't be posting here. Thanks for the help, though!

[The BoyBlunder]

Yeah, if you're not in the game, you shouldn't be posting here. Thanks for the help, though!
Well, I WISH I were playing. Shucks.

[JackAssterson]

If you're dead, don't post. If you're not in the game, don't post.

[turdburglar47]

Prophus thinks JackAssterson might be a psychic.

ARE YOU HECTOR HAMMOND?

[Melkhor]

Wow, not much happening during that night (that we could see) for a game with so many players. I'm betting we a had a LOT of behind-the-scenes action (either that or several people didn't get their PM's in on time :) )

We lost Starman, which most likely cost us a Roleblocker of some sorts so I suppose we could be worse off from the start but still. Other than that there's not much to be gleaned from the write-up. There's some sort of mind-controller out there making people obey the "will of a stranger" (Phantom Stranger maybe?) and, obviously, a killer.

However, notice how only one person was killed tonight. Usually, mafia's and Serial Killers are forced to target and kill a victim each night, so this could indicate that either:

A) There's only one murderous thread in the game (HIGHLY unlikely considering the size)

B) Some of the other potential killers were Roleblocked (we didn't see any doctor action mentioned in the write-up), mind-controlled, Jailkept or incapacitated in some other way, shape or form.

But other than all that rampant speculation, I've got nothing when it comes to hard and fast information I'm afraid.

[Melkhor]

Prophus thinks JackAssterson might be a psychic.

ARE YOU HECTOR HAMMOND?

Even if he is, I think we can safely rule him out as the killer though. Even Starboy should have been able to defend himself from a knife-wielding Hector Hammond :p

[turdburglar47]

Hmm... Phantom Stranger... That sounds like a misdirector if anything.

[Melkhor]

Hmm... Phantom Stranger... That sounds like a misdirector if anything.

Yeah, that was my thought as well, I might just be reading too much into the "command of a stranger" but notice how it says it's only for tonight, so it wouldn't be a recruiter we're dealing with here which makes guys like Dr. Psycho or Mr. Mind less likely.

With the info we have right now, I think a Phantom Stranger misdirect might be slightly more plausible.

[turdburglar47]

I assume, however, that we could believe the Stranger to be on our side, though, right?

[vicious x]

I assume, however, that we could believe the Stranger to be on our side, though, right?

here is what I'm thinking,... we got next to nothing in the write ups,... with soooo many people it is safe to assueme that things like RB and investigations were left out.
so why would the MCed person be in the write up? unless he did the killing? or he was recruited.
if it was Stranger and all he did was misdirect someone, I don't think it should have appeared in the write up unless the Strangers target was a killer and the killers target was switched.

[Melkhor]

I suppose it's both possible and plausible, but everything we do at this moment is pretty much guesswork (unless someone else has something solid to chime in with).

What about the loon talking to himself about sloppy joes and sandwiches, anyone got any idea who we could be talking about here (and please don't say the Joker!)?

[Jackofhearts2005]

What about the loon talking to himself about sloppy joes and sandwiches, anyone got any idea who we could be talking about here (and please don't say the Joker!)?
That would be Thom aka Starboy aka KC Starman. Currently in comics he is pretty much insane and a member of the JSA.

The Joker should be dead. While the guy has a tendency to come back from the dead, I wouldn't worry about that happening with Batman gone.

[Melkhor]

That would be Thom aka Starboy aka KC Starman. Currently in comics he is pretty much insane and a member of the JSA.

The Joker should be dead. While the guy has a tendency to come back from the dead, I wouldn't worry about that happening with Batman gone.

Gotcha, haven't really been following this whole recent, "let's throw ALL the various versions of the Legion into current continuity and mix them up" trend I must admit.

Frankly, I must say I'm quite puzzled by DC's seemingly overwhelming urge to bring back the Silver Age again, wasn't one Crisis on Inifinite Earth's enough? :confused:

[Jackofhearts2005]

Gotcha, haven't really been following this whole recent, "let's throw ALL the various versions of the Legion into current continuity and mix them up" trend I must admit.

Frankly, I must say I'm quite puzzled by DC's seemingly overwhelming urge to bring back the Silver Age again, wasn't one Crisis on Inifinite Earth's enough? :confused:
Seriously.

I mean, the extent of my LoSH knowledge is pretty much: CoIE, a storyline where the Titans were trapped in the future and met the LoSH, and the recent JLA/JSA issues....which is still at least 3 different Legions.

I feel sorry for Legion fans. If my favorite characters were retconned out of existance and back into existance 3 or 4 times, I would probably stop reading comics.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hell, the majority of why I dropped Uncanny X-Men was all the bs that was happening to Juggernaut, Angel, Nightcrawler, and Havok...and I didn't even like Havok to begin with.

[Melkhor]

Hell, the majority of why I dropped Uncanny X-Men was all the bs that was happening to Juggernaut, Angel, Nightcrawler, and Havok...and I didn't even like Havok to begin with.

Or in much fewer words: "Chuck Austen" :p

[Jackofhearts2005]

Or in much fewer words: "Chuck Austen" :p
Pretty much.

So far they've fixed the stopable Juggernaut, fixed Juggernaut sleeping with She-Hulk, destroyed the nasty Angel/Husk relationship and gotten rid of Nurse Annie (thats right, Chuck, the character you based on your wife was the first thing to go :laugh: ).

I'm still waiting for the big reveal that Azrael was just some random insane mutant who is not genetically related to Nightcrawler at all and for Angel to lose his healing factor. :cheeky:

[KitsuShel]

Damn, I knew as soon as I went to bed that this would open. :( Losing Thom early sucks. As for my thoughts, someone mentioned Phantom Stranger, could he possibly have been recruiting for a Mason team like Zee did?

[bigbro911]

Prophus thinks JackAssterson might be a psychic.

I think Prophus was right!! :p

[theanalogkid]

I think the BoyBlunder was thinking of the Psycho- Pirate, a classic JSA villian and hopeful for the next DC set. I won't be able to be on much as I am really busy today. Anyone have any solid leads?

[DarkCorsair]

Mind Controllers:

Gorilla Grodd
Mad Hatter
Mr. Mind
Dr. Psycho
Eclipso


As previously stated, we can add Hector Hammond and Psycho Pirate, as well as one of my favorite DC villains, Despero. He could be ridiculously dangerous if his game powers reflect the magnitude of his comics powers.

[Melkhor]

But again, notice that the write-up clearly states "for this night" so it doesn't sound like a permanent recruitment or long-term control thing.

[TMNT99]

I'd like to say, that I was right.

The funner and more creative the roll, the faster they will die.

Good-bye Thom. :knockedou

;)

[Jackofhearts2005]

But again, notice that the write-up clearly states "for this night" so it doesn't sound like a permanent recruitment or long-term control thing.
I'm not seeing that part, but then again, I didn't get a lot of sleep.

"The night is young," one man thought to himself as he was about to leave his room. However, whatever thoughts he had about leaving his room for whatever reason were quickly changed. He now felt the overwhelming urge to do something else. Something he was told to do. He would obey the will of a stranger.

I mean, that sounds like misdirection more than recruitment to me, but I'm not certain that is what it is.

[DarkCorsair]

But again, notice that the write-up clearly states "for this night" so it doesn't sound like a permanent recruitment or long-term control thing.

I don't see that clearly stated, actually.

"The night is young," one man thought to himself as he was about to leave his room. However, whatever thoughts he had about leaving his room for whatever reason were quickly changed. He now felt the overwhelming urge to do something else. Something he was told to do. He would obey the will of a stranger.

I could see it being implied that his having the urge to do something else could be construed as a one night only mis-direct or role-block, but I don't see compelling evidence that it only lasts one night.

[DarkCorsair]

Bah, curse you and your speedy typing, JoH!

[Melkhor]

Huh, you're right. My eyes must have deceived me on that one. No idea how that happened.

But as you said, it still doesn't sound like recruitment. It doesn't sound emotion based either (and besides doesn't the Pirate need to be pretty much face-to-face with his victim for the Medusa Mask to work?) so I don't think it's the Psycho Pirate we're dealing with here either.

Until more information surfaces, I still think the Stranger is our best bid here.

Also, I looked over the write-up again and there's no hint of any tracking, investigation or watching going on. So unless all of that happened behind the scenes as well, then I'd guess none of us have anything solid or concrete to offer at all today.

[KitsuShel]

Also, I don't think that the MC and the kill were related. It looks to me that someone was MC or misdirected to do something other than what they had planned.

Thom's killer was probably someone else.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm sure somebody has some evidence. Weather it is worth a lynch, thats another thing entirely.

I'm keeping track of who we have yet to hear from. We don't need to vote no lynch just yet. ;)

[Melkhor]

Also, I don't think that the MC and the kill were related. It looks to me that someone was MC or misdirected to do something other than what they had planned.

Thom's killer was probably someone else.

I'd agree completely with that. There's no indication that it wasn't two completely seperate events from what we've got at the moment.

[DarkCorsair]

Also, I don't think that the MC and the kill were related. It looks to me that someone was MC or misdirected to do something other than what they had planned.

Thom's killer was probably someone else.


Agreed. I don't see any compelling evidence that the MC'd guy was the killer. Doesn't mean that he wasn't, but the write-up certainly doesn't make me think that. Pretty quiet night overall, huh?

[KitsuShel]

I'm thinking the MC guy was either roleblocked or misdirected. Makes sense since our targets are all pretty much random the first night.

[DarkCorsair]

Okay, gotta run off to class. Try not to prematurely lynch anyone in the 2 hours I'm gone, especially with all this overwhelming evidence we've got piling up. I'll be back in a while with twice the info I have now. Which will still be zero.

[Thawmus]

INFORMATION TIME!!!!

TheAnalogKid isn't a townie.

Make of that what you will. For now, I'll assume he's either a serial killer or Mafia.

Vote: TAK

[KitsuShel]

INFORMATION TIME!!!!

TheAnalogKid isn't a townie.

Make of that what you will. For now, I'll assume he's either a serial killer or Mafia.

Vote: TAK

Ok, I kept quiet for awhile since I didn't want to come out too early and make myself a target, but I've been killed first night in the past two games, so what the hell.

JackAssterson is also not a townie. He's Neutral aligned.

[Jackofhearts2005]

You just know this is gonna be another misunderstanding.

How many times have we lynched TAK when he looked suspicious but was really on our side?

Original Marvel Mafia and Arkham Mafia at least.

Still, its the best we have right now.

Vote: TAK

[Jackofhearts2005]

TheAnalogKid isn't a townie.


JackAssterson is also not a townie. He's Neutral aligned.

Why do you two have to make things so freaking complicated? :cheeky:

Now the mafia doesn't know which one of you to kill, the doc doesn't know which one of you to protect, and nobody knows who to vote for! :angry:

[Melkhor]

Well, information is information. Without anything better to go by, I'm willing to cast a vote for now and see if it'll tell us anything useful. It sure as hell beats voting no lynch...

Vote: Lynch TAK!

[KitsuShel]

Why do you two have to make things so freaking complicated? :cheeky:

Now the mafia doesn't know which one of you to kill, the doc doesn't know which one of you to protect, and nobody knows who to vote for! :angry:

Well, to quote Sylverster Stalone in Rhinestone Cowboy "If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die my way." ;)

I'd like to be at least a little useful in this game. :cheeky:

[KitsuShel]

Personally, I'd rather lynch the neutral that I know of and try to find out the alignment of TAK tonight. :ermm:

[Stepper79]

OK catching up here,

Melk & others- Phantom stranger sounds like as good as guess as any right now misdirecting/roleblocking does seem to fit his powers

how can we be sure That TAK isn't in the JSA? is the JSA considered Neutral or would they be townies?

[TMNT99]

Current Vote Tally:


theanalogkid (3): Thawmus, Jackofhearts2005, Melkhor

With 29 Active Players, 16 is still a majority.

[Melkhor]

OK catching up here,

Melk & others- Phantom stranger sounds like as good as guess as any right now misdirecting/roleblocking does seem to fit his powers

how can we be sure That TAK isn't in the JSA? is the JSA considered Neutral or would they be townies?

I don't think JSA members could count as anything but townies. Turtle calls him a hero in the write-up, and there's really no reason to suspect that the JSA would have any ulterior motives to being here as a team.

[Jackofhearts2005]

how can we be sure That TAK isn't in the JSA? is the JSA considered Neutral or would they be townies?
One would think they would be townies.

[KitsuShel]

Well, in the write up, Thom is called a hero and JSA. We still don't know if that means townie or neutral, since alignment wasn't given.

:ermm:

[Stepper79]

Thanks for the help guys, I am still learning

[Shadow40]

Vote: TAK

Well if Thawmus information is correct and he is not a townie I will be happie. If not, I know who is going to swing:laugh:.

[Shadow40]

Dang, thats what I get for typing when I first wake up. How do you spell happy why you spell it (happie):o . *sigh*

[theanalogkid]

Seeing as I hate Lobo in any capacity,

Lynch Vote: JackAsserton

[Doombot 3.1]

Well, TAK and JackA are the most obvious suspects so far. I think a vote for TAK would be more productive at this point if it gets him to tell us who he is. We could try that with JackA, but we might get some fiendishly clever fake roleclaim. We probably wouldn't get that with TAK, not because he isn't smart enough to do that, but because that's not how he plays.

VOTE: TAK

[TMNT99]

Vote: TAK

Well if Thawmus information is correct and he is not a townie I will be happie. If not, I know who is going to swing:laugh:.

Only votes that are bolded count

[Shadow40]

Seeing as I hate Lobo in any capacity,

Lynch Vote: JackAsserton


Are you saying Jackassterson is Lobo?

Lynch Vote: TAK

[Doombot 3.1]

Seeing as I hate Lobo in any capacity,

Lynch Vote: JackAsserton

How do you know he's Lobo?

[Shadow40]

Only votes that are bolded count


I noticed I forgot to bold and seeing how I can't edit without getting mod killed I fixed that in another post.

[TMNT99]

Current Vote Tally:


theanalogkid (5): Thawmus, Jackofhearts2005, Melkhor, Doombot 3.1, Shadow40

JackAsserton(1): theanalogkid

With 29 Active Players, 16 is still a majority.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Personally, I'd rather lynch the neutral that I know of and try to find out the alignment of TAK tonight. :ermm:


Well, lets think of all the neutrals we know of:
Nick Fury (no power, Marvel Mafia 1), more good than bad
The Punisher (serial killer, Marvel Mafia 1), more bad than good
The Judge (lawyer, Wild West Mafia), more good than bad
Mauryo (jester, Wild West Mafia), throw away, since a jester is unlikely, here
Jonah Hex (bounty hunter, Wild West Mafia), more bad than good
Rick Grimes (potential serial killer, Wild West Mafia), more bad than good
Zombies (2nd mafia, Star Wars Mafia), more bad than good

Q (hell if I know, Star Trek Mafia), more good than bad?
The Computer (roleblocker, Star Trek Mafia), more good than bad
Borgs (2nd mafia, Star Trek Mafia), more bad than good
Mikhail (serial "killer," Mutant Massacre Mafia), more bad than good
Dark Beast (hell if I know, Mutant Massacre Mafia), more bad than good?

So for the most part, neutrals are 2nd mafia, serial killers, or townies without powers.

[Melkhor]

Wait, are you saying JackA is Lobo, and if so, how do you know?

Also, would you care to address the accusation Thawmus has leveled against you by any chance?

[KitsuShel]

Thanks for the help guys, I am still learning

That only works in your first game.

I keed, I keed. ;)

[Stepper79]

That only works in your first game.

I keed, I keed. ;)



My first game is not over yet :)

[KitsuShel]

Wait, are you saying JackA is Lobo, and if so, how do you know?

Also, would you care to address the accusation Thawmus has leveled against you by any chance?

Yeah, TAK, whats the story morning glory? I investigated him last night and all it told me was that he's neutral. After seeing JoH's post, neutral seems to be a 50/50 split.

If he is indeed Lobo, could he be a serial killer role?

[hot_fusion]

KitsuShel is Voldemort! :eek:

Oh, wait. Wrong game. :cheeky:

Let's see...TAK or Jack? TAK or Jack? Y'all aren't making it too easy to decide. TAK is not town but we don't know the alignment, Jack might be Lobo and thus on his own side. Maybe even a serial killer.

I think I'm going to wait and see what both peeps have to say before I make my decision.

[Shadow40]

Lobo could be a serial killer he also could be a tracker. He does have the ability to track people across universes. Wonder if he has a bounty on anyone, if gets the person he wins. Hmm...

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lobo could be a serial killer he also could be a tracker. He does have the ability to track people across universes. Wonder if he has a bounty on anyone, if gets the person he wins. Hmm...
Which would make sense.

We've seen neutral bounty hunters before, but they were after good guys IIRC.

Still, who in the JLA, JSA, or LoD would be wanted enough to send Lobo after them?

[Melkhor]

But if Lobo is a serial killer (someone paid him to take us all out?), then usually that would mean that he has to kill someone every night. I think we can all agree that if Lobo had killed Starboy things would have been a LOT messier right?

Maybe someone Roleblocked Lobo, but since we're supposed to have open try-outs for the League here, isn't it possible that Lobo came to join the league, and not to frag us all?

[KitsuShel]

I doubt Lobo is here to be friends with us all. :laugh:

[KitsuShel]

Which would make sense.

We've seen neutral bounty hunters before, but they were after good guys IIRC.

Still, who in the JLA, JSA, or LoD would be wanted enough to send Lobo after them?

Lobo works for who pays him, end of story. Right and wrong don't factor into his thinking. Hell, in Last Sons, he was paid to haul in the Martian Manhunter.

[Shadow40]

Which would make sense.

We've seen neutral bounty hunters before, but they were after good guys IIRC.

Still, who in the JLA, JSA, or LoD would be wanted enough to send Lobo after them?

Well on the Superman cartoon Lobo was hired to bring in Superman because he was the last of his kind, but he was tricked and captured also. In the book Last Sons he was hired to bring in Martian Manhunter for a fake crime but he was tricked again and was captured along with Manhunter, can't remember if Superman saved them or was captured also in the book. So Lobo could have a bounty for a good guy but was tricked into it. Who knows this early in the game.

[Thawmus]

Wait, are you saying JackA is Lobo, and if so, how do you know?

Also, would you care to address the accusation Thawmus has leveled against you by any chance?

TAK isn't going to refute my claim. He refuses to lie in these games, so he's not going to do it.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lobo works for who pays him, end of story. Right and wrong don't factor into his thinking. Hell, in Last Sons, he was paid to haul in the Martian Manhunter.
Well the Martian Manhunter is dead and Superman is down for the count.

Any other characters spring to mind that are worth putting down money to take away, if Lobo is a "bounty hunter" role?

But if Lobo is a serial killer (someone paid him to take us all out?), then usually that would mean that he has to kill someone every night. I think we can all agree that if Lobo had killed Starboy things would have been a LOT messier right?

Maybe someone Roleblocked Lobo, but since we're supposed to have open try-outs for the League here, isn't it possible that Lobo came to join the league, and not to frag us all?
Lobo being a serial killer paid to kill us all is another possibility. He didn't kill Thom, no, but serial killers don't always have to kill every night.

Yes, it is possible that Lobo came to join the league. I don't know if he ever did in comics, but in JLU, Lobo temporarily joined the league after Superman "died."

[Shadow40]

Lobo has tried to join the League before. On the Justice League cartoon he tried to join when everyone thought Superman was dead. He said that they needed a heavy hitter now that Superman was dead and that he could fill that role. So maybe he is neutral good, but he can also be neutral bad.

[Thawmus]

Why do you two have to make things so freaking complicated? :cheeky:

Now the mafia doesn't know which one of you to kill, the doc doesn't know which one of you to protect, and nobody knows who to vote for! :angry:

I can answer a lot of that quite simply.

Protect Shel.

I'm not sure I'll be able to investigate anymore.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I can answer a lot of that quite simply.

Protect Shel.

I'm not sure I'll be able to investigate anymore.
Well that answers the first two questions, but we still don't know who to vote for. :p

Oh, and if the doc takes your advice (protects Shel) and the mafia also takes your advice (kills you, since Shel is being protected), thanks for the info, Thawmus. :cheeky:

[CurBludgeon]

Did I miss the part where we confirmed that Jack is Lobo? I'm not sure who's around from the last game, but there are lots of potential tweeners in the DCU. Two Face, Riddler, Catwoman, and Talia (to a lesser extent) come to mind from the Rogues Gallery alone. Creeper, Ravager, Supergirl, Jason Todd, pretty much anybody from the Secret Six or the Suicide Squad...

[Shadow40]

Well the Martian Manhunter is dead and Superman is down for the count.

Any other characters spring to mind that are worth putting down money to take away, if Lobo is a "bounty hunter" role?


Lobo being a serial killer paid to kill us all is another possibility. He didn't kill Thom, no, but serial killers don't always have to kill every night.

Yes, it is possible that Lobo came to join the league. I don't know if he ever did in comics, but in JLU, Lobo temporarily joined the league after Superman "died."


I don't remember him trying to join in the comics. He has such a hatred towards Superheroes there is a very slim possibility he would join. I've read all the comics named Lobo but its been a while. But I don't think he was on any team, he had too much fun being a bounty hunter.

[Thawmus]

Well that answers the first two questions, but we still don't know who to vote for. :p

Oh, and if the doc takes your advice (protects Shel) and the mafia also takes your advice (kills you, since Shel is being protected), thanks for the info, Thawmus. :cheeky:

Oh, I'm counting on it. :devious:

[scehaono]

so a jester type role there, thaw?

[Thawmus]

so a jester type role there, thaw?

Who wants to know? :rolleyes:

In any case, Jesters typically don't benefit from being night killed.

[scehaono]

....touche

[KitsuShel]

Did I miss the part where we confirmed that Jack is Lobo? I'm not sure who's around from the last game, but there are lots of potential tweeners in the DCU. Two Face, Riddler, Catwoman, and Talia (to a lesser extent) come to mind from the Rogues Gallery alone. Creeper, Ravager, Supergirl, Jason Todd, pretty much anybody from the Secret Six or the Suicide Squad...

Dude, if Scandal is here and I didn't get her, I'll be hella mad!

:laugh:

[Jackofhearts2005]

Dude, if Scandal is here and I didn't get her, I'll be hella mad!

:laugh:

I figured Turtle'd give you Supergirl anyways. :cheeky:

[scehaono]

yeah, well, i didn't get to be scrambler in melkhor's mutant massacre...

[CurBludgeon]

Dude, if Scandal is here and I didn't get her, I'll be hella mad!

:laugh:


Scandal would prefer to be "gotten" by a female, too. :cheeky:

[Jackofhearts2005]

Man, Melkhor's game must be lots of fun.

Maybe Rokk, Doombot and Carlos will come play with us for a bit. :cheeky:

[CurBludgeon]

Yeah, I noticed how active that game is. Too bad I got killed from it two night cycles ago, lol.

Still not sure how to vote here. From Melkhor's game, I learned that "outsider" doesn't mean bad, so I think I'm leaning toward the neutral guy, myself.

[Thawmus]

Man, Melkhor's game must be lots of fun.

Maybe Rokk, Doombot and Carlos will come play with us for a bit. :cheeky:

*So sad that he died*

[Doombot 3.1]

Man, Melkhor's game must be lots of fun.

Maybe Rokk, Doombot and Carlos will come play with us for a bit. :cheeky:

Hey, I voted for TAK earlier. But I don't have any info, and yeah, Melkhor's game is fun (yours is too, TMNT), and things are heating up there.

[TMNT99]

*So sad that he died*


You're telling me

[CurBludgeon]

Yeah, I saw that. Losing Rogue? Yeesh.

My power wasn't that great there, and I think I ended up helping the mafia more than the townies, with its misdirect thing. :(

[Jackofhearts2005]

Still not sure how to vote here. From Melkhor's game, I learned that "outsider" doesn't mean bad, so I think I'm leaning toward the neutral guy, myself.
Between that and Mario-ness gettin killed in the SSBM, I've found myself a bit paranoid of information that isn't certain in these games.

Since we "know" Jack is Lobo, we can pretty easily keep an eye on him, methinks.

I'll keep my vote for theanalogkid, at least until I hear a roleclaim or someone vouch for either of them.

[TMNT99]

Out of respect to Melkhor and the integrity of his game, let's curb all other discussion about the Massacre game.

And by the by... Extinction Agenda, that was gonna be the game I would have run if there was no interest in this game.

[KitsuShel]

Since we "know" Jack is Lobo, we can pretty easily keep an eye on him, methinks.

I'll keep my vote for theanalogkid, at least until I hear a roleclaim or someone vouch for either of them.

I can get behind this thinking.

Vote: TAK

[TMNT99]

Current Vote Tally:


theanalogkid (7): Thawmus, Jackofhearts2005, Melkhor, Doombot 3.1, Shadow40, KitsuShel

JackAsserton(1): theanalogkid

With 29 Active Players, 16 is still a majority.

[Melkhor]

Well, if TAK won't give us any information to counter or expand upon Thawmus' claims then my vote will stay right where it is. As for the Lobo situation, he usually has a *very* distinct style to his work, so if the Main Man starts killing I think we'd notice fairly quickly to deal with him.

[scehaono]

Well, i was hoping that jack would come on and shed a little light before i cast my vote...i think i'll give him a little bit longer to do so

[Thawmus]

Current Vote Tally:


theanalogkid (7): Thawmus, Jackofhearts2005, Melkhor, Doombot 3.1, Shadow40, KitsuShel

JackAsserton(1): theanalogkid

With 29 Active Players, 16 is still a majority.

I only count 6 names for TAK...... :speechles

[DarkCorsair]

I am willing to see what crazy ride Thawmus is taking us on...

Vote: TAK

[CurBludgeon]

I'm with scehaono. If we need to get a lynch before deadline, I'll be there, but I'd like to hear an explanation or roleclaim first, if possible.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Day phase doesn't end till about midnight, just an fyi.

[The Vision]

Lynch TAK

filler

[hot_fusion]

Okay, after reading the discussion I feel a lot better about this vote now.

Vote: TAK

[Thawmus]

I'm with scehaono. If we need to get a lynch before deadline, I'll be there, but I'd like to hear an explanation or roleclaim first, if possible.

I'll also agree with that. While I'd like to lynch TAK, I'd very much like for Jack to defend himself before he gets hit by our Vigilante (assuming we have one)

[Rokk_Krinn]

Sorry folks, tied up in another thread (and kind-of feeling crunched as I had a really busy night with a burn victim): could someone give me a basic synopsis of what we're doing and why?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Sorry folks, tied up in another thread (and kind-of feeling crunched as I had a really busy night with a burn victim): could someone give me a basic synopsis of what we're doing and why?
Thawmus says that TAK is "not a townie."

Shel says that Jackassterson is "neutral."

Thawmus says a doc should protect Shel, not him.

TAK votes for Jack, saying that he doesn't like Lobo.

We draw the conclusion that Jack is Lobo, who is easier to keep track of than whoever TAK is.

Thus, we are for the most part voting for TAK.

[The Vision]

Well, to quote Sylverster Stalone in Rhinestone Cowboy "If I'm gonna die, I'm gonna die my way." ;)


Don't ever, ever do that again...

[The Vision]

And what does a Jester do??

[Jackofhearts2005]

And what does a Jester do??
Try to get himself lynched.

They aren't very common in realms games.

[Melkhor]

Try to get himself lynched.

They aren't very common in realms games.

We've had one, total, in all the games here, right?

I wouldn't worry about one here. It's, quite frankly, an idiotic role that does absolutely nothing to enhance the playing experience.

[Thawmus]

And what does a Jester do??

A Jester is a person that wins if he gets lynched. The conditions of having it done, varies. Sometimes they need to be the first lynchee, and sometimes they just need to be lynched before another faction is lynched.

[Thawmus]

We've had one, total, in all the games here, right?

I wouldn't worry about one here. It's, quite frankly, an idiotic role that does absolutely nothing to enhance the playing experience.

Thus far, I think we've run into two or three, actually.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Lobstrosity in macaque's star wars game and TAK in sstalk's wild west game are the only jesters we've seen to the best of my knowledge.

I think the role of the jester (and all neutrals in general) makes things a bit harder on the town, but not as hard as a second mafia, and is thus good for balancing a game that is a bit too easy for the town as is.

However, they often don't fit into the story, which is why they are pretty rare on this board.

[Thawmus]

Lobstrosity in macaque's star wars game and TAK in sstalk's wild west game are the only jesters we've seen to the best of my knowledge.

I think the role of the jester (and all neutrals in general) makes things a bit harder on the town, but not as hard as a second mafia, and is thus good for balancing a game that is a bit too easy for the town as is.

However, they often don't fit into the story, which is why they are pretty rare on this board.

Yeah. Looking at it from a mod's perspective, Jesters are really good if you have two small mafias, and a lot of people playing. They'll derail the game just long enough to give the mafia a shot. Not to mention, it'll implicate a whole lot of townies.

The only other thing you can really do to throw a wrench in the monkey, is to make it so they have a Jester role that shows up as mafia when investigated. That's going to translate into an auto-win for the Jester, really, but it's also going to probably get a cop lynched. :laugh:

[kontrol]

I really doubt Jester is a role here. Even if it was I doubt the main two lynch targets are them.

Not voting until I hear a little bit more, well unless the clock is running out. Preferably a defense. Still non-town aligned is pretty damning as I would think one if not both of them would not have our best interests at heart.

[JackAssterson]

Well, first off,

Vote: TAK, ya bastich. "Don't like Lobo" indeed.

Since I've been outed pretty freaking early in the game, I might as well share what I can do.

1. I'm Lobo. I can't be night-killed, 'cause heaven and hell won't take me. Only way I go is via lynching.

2. I win by making it to the end of the game. I have no special animosity towards either side. I'm a bounty hunter.

3. I have the ability to work for people. Folks earn "bounty points" by being involved in successful lynch votes. The more "bounty points" I accrue, the better the job I'm willing to do for you.

4. I'm obviously not a Mafia member. Lobo don't play that way. I'm also not a Serial Killer -- I don't work for free.

Since I've been outed extremely early, I'm going to offer a deal.

My possible powers are wide-ranging and extremely potentially helpful. The only way anyone benefits from them, however, is if I remain in the game. I'm willing to do what I was planning to do anyway and offer my services to Townies only.

Since I'm immune to Night kills, I'm dependent on Townies not lynching me, so I have independent motivation for being on your side anyway. The Mafia can't lynch me -- you guys can.

After two lynch votes I will be able to start offering my services. If I make it that far without being lynched, I'll work out who I do my first job for.

In the meantime, until two lynch votes have passed, I can't do anything.

[scehaono]

well then
i guess that's what i was waiting for
vote: lynch TAK

[Melkhor]

Well, first off,

Vote: TAK, ya bastich. "Don't like Lobo" indeed.

Since I've been outed pretty freaking early in the game, I might as well share what I can do.

1. I'm Lobo. I can't be night-killed, 'cause heaven and hell won't take me. Only way I go is via lynching.

2. I win by making it to the end of the game. I have no special animosity towards either side. I'm a bounty hunter.

3. I have the ability to work for people. Folks earn "bounty points" by being involved in successful lynch votes. The more "bounty points" I accrue, the better the job I'm willing to do for you.

4. I'm obviously not a Mafia member. Lobo don't play that way. I'm also not a Serial Killer -- I don't work for free.

Since I've been outed extremely early, I'm going to offer a deal.

My possible powers are wide-ranging and extremely potentially helpful. The only way anyone benefits from them, however, is if I remain in the game. I'm willing to do what I was planning to do anyway and offer my services to Townies only.

Since I'm immune to Night kills, I'm dependent on Townies not lynching me, so I have independent motivation for being on your side anyway. The Mafia can't lynch me -- you guys can.

After two lynch votes I will be able to start offering my services. If I make it that far without being lynched, I'll work out who I do my first job for.

In the meantime, until two lynch votes have passed, I can't do anything.


That works for me, for now. It's plausible, easily confirmed, and if people starts showing up fragged in Lobo's inimitable style, then we deal with him. Until then, we have litteraly nothing to loose by taking Jack at his word and see what he can do for us.

[Amora's_best_friend]

TAK could easily be the serial killer.

This is quite a big game, and there was only one death, and I know TAK was roleblocked last night.

[CurBludgeon]

Interesting. Have we heard from TAK?

[Amora's_best_friend]

Vote : TAK

[kontrol]

Well, that's a truly compelling defense. For now I'm willing to go with it as truth.

Vote: TAK

[CurBludgeon]

Oh, and...

Vote Lynch: TAK

[scehaono]

TAK was the one that said that JackA was lobo...other than that, i don't think he's said anything

[kontrol]

TAK could easily be the serial killer.

This is quite a big game, and there was only one death, and I know TAK was roleblocked last night.
Roleblock and tracked. What ever happened to flying under the radar, TAK? ;)

[theanalogkid]

Jack is correct. He did leave out the part where if he would take lethel damage ie night kill, he just leaves for easier bounty. And he also works for the highest bidder, regardless of alignment. I am a non-townie but at least I won't flip for money. Do with this info as you will.

[Jackofhearts2005]

That roleclaim works for me for now, Jack.

Sidenote: TAK has the worst luck. He's been stuck as the no power guy twice, he's not a townie this game and was investigated on the first night, and as the Jester, he provided false info leading to lynches of townies for I don't know how many nights in a row and nobody felt the need to lynch him.

[Rokk_Krinn]

TAK - I trust you and your honesty; anything specific you want to say here?

[kontrol]

TAK was the one that said that JackA was lobo...other than that, i don't think he's said anything
Hey, you're right.

How would TAK know Jack was Lobo, if ABF says he knows for a fact that TAK was roleblocked last night? Something's not smelling right here.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Jack is correct. He did leave out the part where if he would take lethel damage ie night kill, he just leaves for easier bounty. And he also works for the highest bidder, regardless of alignment. I am a non-townie but at least I won't flip for money. Do with this info as you will.
I'm curious as to how you knew all this.

I mean, it does sound like a good thing to do to leave that bit about leaving for an easier bounty if he gets shot out of his roleclaim, but I'm aweful curious as to how you know he's Lobo and all his powers.

I mean, as far as we all know, he isn't Lobo, but hear the two of you are giving contradictory information about Jack's powers.

[kontrol]

change vote: Abstain for now

I'm interested in the path that this taking us for now.

[The Vision]

If TAK can out Lobo that fast wouldn't he be worth keeping around??

[CurBludgeon]

Change Vote: abstain as well. We've got some time to hear this out.

[kontrol]

I'm curious as to how you knew all this.

I mean, it does sound like a good thing to do to leave that bit about leaving for an easier bounty if he gets shot out of his roleclaim, but I'm aweful curious as to how you know he's Lobo and all his powers.

I mean, as far as we all know, he isn't Lobo, but hear the two of you are giving contradictory information about Jack's powers.
Yeah that's bothering me a lot. Though it's not quite contradictory, it seem more like TAK is filling in blanks Jack left out.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Hey, you're right.

How would TAK know Jack was Lobo, if ABF says he knows for a fact that TAK was roleblocked last night? Something's not smelling right here.
I agree.

This sounds like two teammates trying to make it look like both are valuable neutrals to me.

[Amora's_best_friend]

We *could* lynch JackA now.

If he isn't Lobo, we've scored.

If he is Lobo, at least we've got him out the way before it's too hard to lynch him. I'm still not swayed by the "I'm not evil" arguement...


Or we could just lynch TAK.

[KitsuShel]

Hey, you're right.

How would TAK know Jack was Lobo, if ABF says he knows for a fact that TAK was roleblocked last night? Something's not smelling right here.

Like ABF said, this is a big game and theres still a lot of players. Its highly probable that ABF targeted TAk, but was misdirected to another target.

[Amora's_best_friend]

TAK can you at least defend yourself?

[JackAssterson]

Jack is correct. He did leave out the part where if he would take lethel damage ie night kill, he just leaves for easier bounty. And he also works for the highest bidder, regardless of alignment. I am a non-townie but at least I won't flip for money. Do with this info as you will.

What happened to "never tell a lie" analog? Tsk, tsk, tsk. I am glad you're starting to play the game a little more, though. :grin:

Kid's trying to lie his way out of a spot, but he doesn't understand how my power works so he's forced to make things up out of whole cloth. There are no "bidders". I choose who I work for.

It's impossible for me to take "lethal damage" due to my regeneration and the aforementioned heaven/hell thing. It's all about the lynch with me.

[scehaono]

it seems either one of two things - TAK is busy with real-life stuff, or he's limited in this game (basing this on past games with him, as he's generally fairly vocal)

[The Vision]

So that means that TAK is a role-blocker?

[JackAssterson]

If TAK can out Lobo that fast wouldn't he be worth keeping around??

That's true...but he's also lying to try to get me killed. That's not exactly worth keeping around. Today it's me, tomorrow...?

[Jackofhearts2005]

If TAK can out Lobo that fast wouldn't he be worth keeping around??
See what I mean?

Lobo is worth keeping around because he can track/kill for us.

TAK is worth keeping around because he can learn anything about somebody....even when he's roleblocked.

Oh wait. If he's roleblocked, the only way he would know about said powers was if Jack had either told him (because they are on a team) or if Jack had told him what powers he would claim to have (because they are on a team).

Or, TAK just made up Lobo and Jack decided to run with it.

I say we lynch Jack if he isn't Lobo, we lynch TAK. Easy as pie.

If Jack really is Lobo, the mafia are going to be the highest bidders anyways, since they will be trying to lynch everybody who isn't mafia.

I'll be a bit annoyed if Jack is Lobo, because we'll be killing a fun role but in the interest of actually winning the game...

Change Vote: Jackassterson

[JackAssterson]

See what I mean?

Lobo is worth keeping around because he can track/kill for us.

TAK is worth keeping around because he can learn anything about somebody....even when he's roleblocked.

Oh wait. If he's roleblocked, the only way he would know about said powers was if Jack had either told him (because they are on a team) or if Jack had told him what powers he would claim to have (because they are on a team).

Or, TAK just made up Lobo and Jack decided to run with it.

I say we lynch Jack if he isn't Lobo, we lynch TAK. Easy as pie.

If Jack really is Lobo, the mafia are going to be the highest bidders anyways, since they will be trying to lynch everybody who isn't mafia.

I'll be a bit annoyed if Jack is Lobo, because we'll be killing a fun role but in the interest of actually winning the game...

Change Vote: Jackassterson

Did you not read what I wrote there? THERE ARE NO BIDDERS. I pick who I work for. Gah.

[Amora's_best_friend]

it seems either one of two things - TAK is busy with real-life stuff, or he's limited in this game (basing this on past games with him, as he's generally fairly vocal)

I'm testing TAK.

If he can post more than thrice he has not been roleblocked.

If he has been roleblocked, then we lynch JackA.

[Doombot 3.1]

I agree.

This sounds like two teammates trying to make it look like both are valuable neutrals to me.

That seems plausible to me.

The thing about JackA's roleclaim is that it seems too good to be true. Think about it, if your win condition is just to survive, and you can't be night-killed, you're half way there. Immunity to being killed at night is already a great power, but giving it to someone who just needs to survive to win seems odd, borderline broken.

Furthermore, immunity to night-kills is a great power, by itself. But combined with the other stuff that JackA claims to be able to do, it seems over the top, even for Lobo. I don't think TMNT99 would put in such a seemingly overpowered role in this game.

Finally, when JackA described his ability to work for the highest bidder, did anybody else think of Maxwell Lord's purported ability to pay for funerals in the last game? And we know how that turned out. :cheeky:

[JackAssterson]

Finally, when JackA described his ability to work for the highest bidder, did anybody else think of Maxwell Lord's purported ability to pay for funerals in the last game? And we know how that turned out. :cheeky:

:tired: :tired: :tired:

[kontrol]

So that means that TAK is a role-blocker?
Doubtful. Roleblockers normally don't get character information from there target. Though, I could be wrong, I've been a roleblocker once in these games and was killed (well technically arrested) the first night. From what I've seen, the best way for a roleblocker to learn the identity of their target is if it's in the write up.

[Jackofhearts2005]

But now we see them not working together, trying to get everyone lynched.

That being the case, I am more inclined to believe that TAK is lieing than that Jack is, since TAK was roleblocked.

Change Vote: TAK

[Amora's_best_friend]

That seems plausible to me.

The thing about JackA's roleclaim is that it seems too good to be true. Think about it, if your win condition is just to survive, and you can't be night-killed, you're half way there. Immunity to being killed at night is already a great power, but giving it to someone who just needs to survive to win seems odd, borderline broken.

Furthermore, immunity to night-kills is a great power, by itself. But combined with the other stuff that JackA claims to be able to do, it seems over the top, even for Lobo. I don't think TMNT99 would put in such a seemingly overpowered role in this game.

Finally, when JackA described his ability to work for the highest bidder, did anybody else think of Maxwell Lord's purported ability to pay for funerals in the last game? And we know how that turned out. :cheeky:

I agree.

Even if JackA is telling the truth, his power is too good, and he's defo gonna win.

I think he is lying, so Vote : JackAssterson

[Jackofhearts2005]

But now we see them not working together, trying to get everyone lynched.

That should say "each other lynched"

[JackAssterson]

I agree.

Even if JackA is telling the truth, his power is too good, and he's defo gonna win.

I think he is lying, so Vote : JackAssterson

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

*deep breath*

I...said...I...win...by...making...it...to...the...end...I can win WITH either side, Townie or Mafia. However, I pretty much HAVE to align with Townies because the Townies are the only ones with numbers to lynch me.

[turdburglar47]

I'm leaning this way:

Vote: JackAssterson

Just because the Star Trek game makes me certain that he's a great liar.

[The Vision]

Doubtful. Roleblockers normally don't get character information from there target. Though, I could be wrong, I've been a roleblocker once in these games and was killed (well technically arrested) the first night. From what I've seen, the best way for a roleblocker to learn the identity of their target is if it's in the write up.

So then an Investigator??

[Amora's_best_friend]

GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!

*deep breath*

I...said...I...win...by...making...it...to...the...end...I can win WITH either side, Townie or Mafia. However, I pretty much HAVE to align with Townies because the Townies are the only ones with numbers to lynch me.

Still, I'd rather not have a crazy bounty hunter riding around killing randoms.

I'm over it though. Lynching TAK seems much easier.

[The Vision]

Hey, you're right.

How would TAK know Jack was Lobo, if ABF says he knows for a fact that TAK was roleblocked last night? Something's not smelling right here.

So don't we need ABF to clarify this??

[scehaono]

the thing that worries me is that in either scenario with jack's powers (bid or going to someone) if he approaches mafia, they could use his powers just as easily as the town could, and end up with 2 kills per night...

[Shadow40]

Vote: TAK

The way everyone is jumping on the Jackassterson/Lobo lynch bandwagon smells like mafia misdirect to me. So I'm not going to help the mafia lynch someone.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'm testing TAK.

If he can post more than thrice he has not been roleblocked.

If he has been roleblocked, then we lynch JackA.
Why lynch JackA?

If TAK was roleblocked, we know he is lying.

Granted, that probably means Jack is lying as well (TAK would have to be hella lucky to guess Lobo), but still.

[Melkhor]

What part of "If Lobo starts causing trouble we can EASILY lynch him are people not getting?"

[Shadow40]

Vote: TAK

reasons are in my post above

[JackAssterson]

the thing that worries me is that in either scenario with jack's powers (bid or going to someone) if he approaches mafia, they could use his powers just as easily as the town could, and end up with 2 kills per night...

You're assuming that all my powers are killing. That's very, very wrong.

[Jackofhearts2005]

What part of "If Lobo starts causing trouble we can EASILY lynch him are people not getting?"
Because if TAK was roleblocked, then Jack isn't necessarily Lobo.

[Amora's_best_friend]

Hmmm...

Yeah, lets just lynch TAK, we can deal with JackA later.

Change vote: theanalogkid.

[KitsuShel]

What part of "If Lobo starts causing trouble we can EASILY lynch him are people not getting?"

Unless theres more to his power that he's not sharing.

:ermm:

[Amora's_best_friend]

Perhaps TAK and JackA are a mason group which appear evil when investigated?

Who is best friends with Lobo?

[JackAssterson]

Unless theres more to his power that he's not sharing.

:ermm:


Kit, did you SEE how much there is to my power? People are already slavering to off me based on "that would be too much". Trust me, being immune to night kills and being able to do jobs is quite enough.

[kontrol]

Perhaps TAK and JackA are a mason group which appear evil when investigated?

Who is best friends with Lobo?
Ummm....Space Dolphins maybe?

[KitsuShel]

Perhaps TAK and JackA are a mason group which appear evil when investigated?

Who is best friends with Lobo?

Um, no one. Lobo is a loner. End of.