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malakim2099
10/28/2007, 20:24
I think that speaks for itself. I mean, really. You are up 38-0. The fourth quarter started. Their offense can't do anything against you. You have 4th and 1 on their 15. So, keeping your starting quarterback in, go for it, and get the touchdown three plays later. :tired:
Yeah, I know, you're mad that you got caught Errrrr I mean you didn't know the videotaping rules. But come on! There's being safe, and then there's being a pathetic bunch of arrogant jerks that really embody everything that good sportsmanship ISN'T.
A field goal would have killed you there? :ermm:
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Just had to vent about that. That's about the worst display of sportsmanship I've ever seen, ever. Kudos to Joe Gibbs for blowing off Belicheck after the game. :p
andrewtarius
10/28/2007, 20:31
Yeah, but Tom Brady got me 35 points in Fantasy Football.
If you got the offense, why not? I remember the Rams doing that when they were good and they had a huge lead. It's psychology, not on the opposing team, but the rest of the league. They play to win; to dominate. They have the team and skills to back it up, regardless of the spying. As much as I don't like the team, they are the quintessential team.
Pfft, whatever, the Redskins started it.
malakim2099
10/28/2007, 20:54
Pfft, whatever, the Redskins started it.
Yeah, how dare they show up and actually try to play the game. What, did Gibbs steal Belicheck's Milk Duds before the pregame warmups or something? :laugh:
And andrew, I dig that, to some degree. But it's not even just a question of sportsmanship. If you're up by that much, do you really want to take the chance of your stars getting hurt just to run up the score? You're up in that situation? Just put it to bed, let your backups get some reps, and get ready for next week.
Yeah, how dare they show up and actually try to play the game. What, did Gibbs steal Belicheck's Milk Duds before the pregame warmups or something? :laugh:
And andrew, I dig that, to some degree. But it's not even just a question of sportsmanship. If you're up by that much, do you really want to take the chance of your stars getting hurt just to run up the score? You're up in that situation? Just put it to bed, let your backups get some reps, and get ready for next week.
And they did take Brady out soon after, who are you to judge when it's appropriate for them to make the change?
By your own account the skins were outta it, does it really matter if they were outta it by 38 or 45? Not really, it was a pathetic loss either way.
absolutvt69
10/28/2007, 21:25
And they did take Brady out soon after, who are you to judge when it's appropriate for them to make the change?
By your own account the skins were outta it, does it really matter if they were outta it by 38 or 45? Not really, it was a pathetic loss either way.
And when Brady breaks his arm or leg while being in up 30-40 points in the second half, I'm sure Patriots fans will be glad to "judge when it's appropriate" to remove the starters. Stuff like that is just ASKING for retribution from the football gods. Run up the score if you must but don't look for sympathy when it comes back to haunt you.
And when Brady breaks his arm or leg while being in up 30-40 points in the second half, I'm sure Patriots fans will be glad to "judge when it's appropriate" to remove the starters. Stuff like that is just ASKING for retribution from the football gods. Run up the score if you must but don't look for sympathy when it comes back to haunt you.
I ain't askin' for sympathy, just sayin' no need for anyone to get butthurt cause Brady put up an extra 6. :p
spiderman9797
10/28/2007, 21:49
No need for them to put up an extra 6 when they are leading by 45, either. ;)
I hope that the next time that happens, someone comes close to getting seriously injured. And THEN they might realize that they don't have to be dickheads to win the game, or prove that they are such a good team.
No need for them to put up an extra 6 when they are leading by 45, either. ;)
I hope that the next time that happens, someone comes close to getting seriously injured. And THEN they might realize that they don't have to be dickheads to win the game, or prove that they are such a good team.
Are they not supposed to try their hardest?
I was under the impression these were PROFESSIONAL athletes. They don't get paid to go easy on people because they're doing too good.
spiderman9797
10/28/2007, 22:29
Are they not supposed to try their hardest?
I was under the impression these were PROFESSIONAL athletes. They don't get paid to go easy on people because they're doing too good.
No, you're right they don't. But your argument is moot because they didn't go easy on anyone. They also don't need to be foolish when the game is won, and risk injury for their players. And saying that they are professional athletes only further proves my point. Why would you try and embarass other professional athletes in what is, in the end, an entertainment business. It shows insecurity, and it makes anyone except Patriots fans dislike them.
No, you're right they don't. But your argument is moot because they didn't go easy on anyone. They also don't need to be foolish when the game is won, and risk injury for their players. And saying that they are professional athletes only further proves my point. Why would you try and embarass other professional athletes in what is, in the end, an entertainment business. It shows insecurity, and it makes anyone except Patriots fans dislike them.
Yeah, lotta people hate the guys on top cause they're the guys on top.
Oh well, it happens. :p
Was it to hate about the Patriots? They are good sportsman, and just because they want to put up some great numbers doesn't dis-credit that.
They're breaking all sorts of records, and maybe want to keep doing so. Why not, the fans love it. And that's who they're playing for.
You're all just jealous, any of you would take Brady on their team in a heartbeat.
spiderman9797
10/28/2007, 23:06
I don't deny that I would have Tom Brady on my team. Why would I lie about that? But Tom Brady isn't the Patriots organization (realistically). He is one of the more classy guys on that team. Unfortunately, he is playing with a lot of guys without class.
Yeah, lotta people hate the guys on top cause they cheat to get there.
Oh well, it happens.
Corrected it for you. ;)
Antipathy
10/28/2007, 23:16
Corrected it for you. ;)
Multiple sportswriters/coaches/players have all said that everybody videotaped calls. So it wasn't only the Patriots.
Oh, and it's precisely the behavior you just displayed that's causing the Patriots to "run up the score".
Corrected it for you. ;)
Whatever makes you sleep better at night while the Pats are out celebrating another victory. ;)
Multiple sportswriters/coaches/players have all said that everybody videotaped calls. So it wasn't only the Patriots.
Oh, and it's precisely the behavior you just displayed that's causing the Patriots to "run up the score".
What the Pats did was the equivalent of speeding.
A lot of recording stuff is perfectly legal, they just happen to do a combination which is considered illegal, even though you could use a combination of like 2 different cameras to get the same result. :rolleyes: :p
lensnart
10/28/2007, 23:34
It will be a beautiful thing to watch them lose next week.
Go Colts!!!
It will be a beautiful thing to watch them lose next week.
Go Colts!!!
Wanna bet? :devious: :p
mike_houghton
10/29/2007, 00:11
whatever happened to Sportsmanhip? Fellowship? anything like that? These guys are arrogant assclowns who are in serious need of manners training.
bagman04
10/29/2007, 00:14
Yeah! They always play R Mandroid, R Black Panther, R Destiny and a Paramedic!
mike_houghton
10/29/2007, 00:30
u forgot ultimate thor?
absolutvt69
10/29/2007, 00:44
Was it to hate about the Patriots? They are good sportsman, and just because they want to put up some great numbers doesn't dis-credit that.
They're breaking all sorts of records, and maybe want to keep doing so. Why not, the fans love it. And that's who they're playing for.
You're all just jealous, any of you would take Brady on their team in a heartbeat.
Actually I don't really have a "favorite" NFL team. I don't have a stake in the Patriots or anyone else. I just think it's incredibly lame when any team (college, pro, pee-wee league) in any sport (baseball, basketball, football) tries to run up the score on an opponent. It's just classless. As a Virginia Tech fan, I'd never want to see us with our starters in in the 4th quarter of a 40 point game against some overmatched team. So to say the fans "love it" is a bit of an overstatement. Some fans might, I personally don't. It doesn't impress me when we beat Duke by 50 because... it's DUKE! I realize that blowouts happen sometimes (I've seen close games get out of hand in a hurry) and I have no problem if we've got the the 3rd team offense in trying to score because those guys need reps. But leaving your starters in when the game is already decided is bush league and there's nothing anyone can say to convince me otherwise. And sadly the only way for some coaches to get the message it seems is for one of their star players to suffer a serious injury while trying to light up the scoreboard late in the game.
malakim2099
10/29/2007, 01:00
Yeah! They always play R Mandroid, R Black Panther, R Destiny and a Paramedic!
You also forgot a couple of Tom Brady's girlfriends ERRR I mean Con Artists.
Yeah, I went there. ;)
Seriously, until this season started, I had a lot of respect for the Pats. Now, I respect they have the most talent of any team except maybe the Colts. However, I don't respect that they have no respect for anyone else. This isn't the BCS, and margin of victory isn't going to matter, more than likely. I didn't say the Patriots sucked, I said they were willingly embracing the role of the "Yankees/Wrestling heel" and should never win a Fellowship. ;)
(Besides, if it was the BCS, the Colts would have the #1 spot on Strength of Schedule right now, anyway!)
You also forgot a couple of Tom Brady's girlfriends ERRR I mean Con Artists.
Yeah, I went there. ;)
Seriously, until this season started, I had a lot of respect for the Pats. Now, I respect they have the most talent of any team except maybe the Colts. However, I don't respect that they have no respect for anyone else. This isn't the BCS, and margin of victory isn't going to matter, more than likely. I didn't say the Patriots sucked, I said they were willingly embracing the role of the "Yankees/Wrestling heel" and should never win a Fellowship. ;)
(Besides, if it was the BCS, the Colts would have the #1 spot on Strength of Schedule right now, anyway!)
The New England Patriots have come to save the NFL.
People have been lead to believe that mediocrity is excellence. Uh-uh. The Patriots are excellence. And now, for the first time in NFL history you have a team that can entertain you, you have a team that is good enough for you, you have a team that can make you jump up off your chairs, raise your filthy little fists in the air, and scream "GO PATRIOTS GO, GO PATRIOTS GO, GO PATRIOTS GO!".
And now that company, from the idiots in the front office, to the amateurs in the dressing rooms, will never E-e-e-eeeeeeeever, be the same, A-GAIN!
This has been a parody of Y2J and not made with any offense intended.
malakim2099
10/29/2007, 01:47
This has been a parody of Y2J and not made with any offense intended.
None taken. :laugh:
supermangl1
10/29/2007, 02:52
Yeah they may be that good, but come now way to be role models of sportsmanship.
**Patriots Pee-Wee Football Camp**
Coaches: 'Ok kids your up by 40 in the fourth quarter, what play to you call?'
Kids in unison: 'Middle Finger Salute Deep Route!'
They will turn the country totally against them and make the Colts even more popular, if they keep this junk up. Just run the clock out Coach for crying out loud. I also think this will backfire sometime and Brady will get hurt in the 4th quarter when he's up by 40 trying to tack on another score.
whatever happened to Sportsmanhip? Fellowship? anything like that? These guys are arrogant assclowns who are in serious need of manners training.
Give me on example aside from playing the game to the finish.
"Running up the score" = playing to the end.
charlesx
10/29/2007, 11:59
Patriot Nelson Muntz to the Redskins: HA-HA.
Nuff said.
absolutvt69
10/29/2007, 14:21
"Running up the score" = playing to the end.
That's the LAMEST justification I've ever seen for RUTS. No one is saying a team should let the other team score or let the other team stop them. You can "play to the end" with the second or third team players in. That's the big difference. Playing the starters in the 4th quarter of a 40 point game is just trying to embarrass the other team and make your own team look better. Like I said, that's cool if that's how you want to win but when it blows up in your face one game, don't expect anyone to feel bad for you or your players.
lensnart
10/29/2007, 14:38
Really mean joke, edited so as not to sink to the Patriots level.
That's the LAMEST justification I've ever seen for RUTS. No one is saying a team should let the other team score or let the other team stop them. You can "play to the end" with the second or third team players in. That's the big difference. Playing the starters in the 4th quarter of a 40 point game is just trying to embarrass the other team and make your own team look better. Like I said, that's cool if that's how you want to win but when it blows up in your face one game, don't expect anyone to feel bad for you or your players.
Fans don't watch games to see those players, they want to see the starters.
Your right though, we won't go looking for sympathy if they get injured playing like that.
You guys are making the same arguement unwise playing = unsportsman playing
Not the same things. They play how they'd like to play, they win, they set records, and they win big. If it comes back to hurt them, they chose to play like that.
But they don't trash talk, they don't belittle the other teams. They are good players, and just because they are winning people don't like them.
But they don't trash talk, they don't belittle the other teams. They are good players, and just because they are winning people don't like them.
Eh?
There ain't a football player out there that doesn't trash talk even a little bit.
Jerry Rice trashed talk for cryin' out loud.
They might not do it in the media (can somebody shut Ray Lewis up?), but on the field?
Granite Moose
10/29/2007, 17:13
(can somebody shut Ray Lewis up?)
I'd rather see him just go away, but I'd certainly settle with shutting him up.
There's no crying in football!
Week 7, with a big lead against Miami, Belichek took Brady out early in the 4th quarter and the substitute QB tossed an interception. Miami made up 14 points with less than a minute between their two scores. Belichek put Brady back in and the Pats scored again.
My guess is that Belichek wants his team to have a clear mindset, and (in terms of offense) that means that they're out there to score. Not to worry about injuries. Not to play nice. He probably wants them thinking aggressively in every situation so they never get passive. Never let up. Be relentless. Win. He said as much when he made the comment about the offense being there to score and the defense out there to stop them.
Frankly, I think the decision to go for it on 4th down was a reflection of week 7. Belichek was making a point to his team. Emphatically.
I don't think "running up the score" on professionals makes a whit of difference. These are huge strong men who could snap most of us like twigs. Stop whining. I live in New England. Been a Red Sox and Patriot fan since the sixties. Yeah, we got it great now, but it was a long, long time coming. The Pats used to be the chumps of the AFC. I've heard all the excuses. "We lost 'cause of a bad call." We lost because the coach told the team he was leaving just before the game." "We lost because of an illegal hit." --They're all whiney excuses from losers and their fans. Believe it. I've made those excuses in the past too. I've also believed them. It's all carp. Winners win. Losers shouldn't whine. Grit your teeth and come back at them all the harder next time.
Go Pats. Go Belichek. WIN. As for the Colts? Stop them. --If you can.
My guess is that Belichek wants his team to have a clear mindset, and (in terms of offense) that means that they're out there to score. Not to worry about injuries.
I don't know exactly how true this rings, but I find it to be the case that the more you worry about injuries, the more likely they are to happen. When you worry about them, your mind is attempting to be a little more careful, which means at times actively not doing what you would naturally do in a situation, and that's what leads to injuries.
The only real example I can give of this at the moment is a few years back a pro-wrestler rolled his ankle doing a pretty basic move, and there was a number of other wrestlers that didn't even want to see the footage of it, because they didn't want it on their minds when they were doing the same move for the fear they'd unconsciously act to not hurt themselves, which would actually cause them to get hurt.
mike_houghton
10/29/2007, 20:47
yeah the Patriots are so great... such good role models.. running up the score, cheating, stomping around on the opposing teams field after a victory.
absolutvt69
10/29/2007, 23:55
Fans don't watch games to see those players, they want to see the starters.
Your right though, we won't go looking for sympathy if they get injured playing like that.
You guys are making the same arguement unwise playing = unsportsman playing
Not the same things. They play how they'd like to play, they win, they set records, and they win big. If it comes back to hurt them, they chose to play like that.
But they don't trash talk, they don't belittle the other teams. They are good players, and just because they are winning people don't like them.
You must have missed where I said that I have no stake in this at all. I don't dislike the Patroits because they're winning. I just think that running up the score is classless. You can spin it however you want but it IS unsportsmanlike. It's pefectly legal and plenty of teams do it but call it what it is and don't try to act like the team is all noble for trying to see how many points they can beat someone by. But hey I hope when the "fans" get to see Tom Brady break his arm while trying to throw his 5th TD pass while up 40 points in the 4th quarter they look at each other and say "Yeah THAT'S what I wanted to see!!!"
I just think that running up the score is classless. You can spin it however you want but it IS unsportsmanlike. It's pefectly legal and plenty of teams do it but call it what it is and don't try to act like the team is all noble for trying to see how many points they can beat someone by.
I don't think it's unsportsmanlike. Do they even have such a concern in baseball? Hockey? Basketball? Just wondering because it only seems to be a complaint in football. This isn't the preschoolyard. This is the most testosterone of sports (outside of boxing and rugby) --Huge men slamming into one another. Heck, take a closer look at the TV intros and ads --they're all pounding music, grunting men and flexing muscle. This isn't "please don't make any noise I'm trying to concentrate" golf or tennis. This is football.
And isn't one of the playoff tiebreakers scoring?
Maybe not noble, but not wrong either. --I mean what's the difference? The Redskins feel worse because they lost by 52-7 and not 44-7? I have a hard time believing that these bruisers need sympathy no matter what uniform they wear.
I say again, there's no crying in football. If the players are crying they should just stop and get ready for next Sunday. If the fans are crying then maybe they should look for a more gentlemanly game.
St. Cuthbert
10/31/2007, 07:17
I think you're right, the Patriots should not have won Fellowship for that one particular game. But since there is no Fellowship prize in professional football, why should they try to win it?
We see a lot of classless athletes out there running their mouths and acting moronically. T.O. is the most notable example in my mind, just because he plays the same sport, but there are a lot out there. Let's go judge them before we attack a team that plays the way it was meant to play.
VelvetGuru9
11/03/2007, 10:54
1993, the Buffalo Bills overcome a 32 point deficit to beat the Houston Oilers, now the Tennessee Titans, with 28 points of the scoring coming over a 7 minute span! Call it what you want, but it wasn't bad sportsmanship. It was a win, plain and simple. These are grown men and the idea of the game is to violently collide with other players and then someone says okay, now play nice? Nuh-uh, it doesn't work that way.
I'm a Jets fan and I don't like Billy boy for how he left our club, and I'm sure I'll be plenty ticked off after he beats us 63-0, but that's the nature of the beast and I'll be glad that we held them under 70!
I don't think it's unsportsmanlike. Do they even have such a concern in baseball? Hockey? Basketball?
Yes actually, I've seen fights break out because someone was trying to run up the score or pad their stats.
Personally, I don't care that they did it. But you have to call it for what it is and run the risk of retribution when you do it.
There are a couple unwritten (player) rules that pros play by. And if this was done back in the 70s? Could you imagine? Man somebody would have gotten their leg broken. Glad we play in the new millennium
1993, the Buffalo Bills overcome a 32 point deficit to beat the Houston Oilers, now the Tennessee Titans, with 28 points of the scoring coming over a 7 minute span! Call it what you want, but it wasn't bad sportsmanship. It was a win, plain and simple. These are grown men and the idea of the game is to violently collide with other players and then someone says okay, now play nice? Nuh-uh, it doesn't work that way.
I'm a Jets fan and I don't like Billy boy for how he left our club, and I'm sure I'll be plenty ticked off after he beats us 63-0, but that's the nature of the beast and I'll be glad that we held them under 70!
Completely different circumstance. Now if the Bills were up 32 points then laid another 28 (strictly offensive team) points on them. You'd have something similar. But coming from a deficit to win a game is different than padding your stat total.
absolutvt69
11/04/2007, 20:22
I don't think it's unsportsmanlike. Do they even have such a concern in baseball? Hockey? Basketball? Just wondering because it only seems to be a complaint in football.
Absolutely. Keeping your starters in in a basketball game that you're up by 40 points in the 4th quarter while shooting 3sand pressing full-court would garner the same reaction. In baseball, stealing bases with a big lead is a no-no. So yeah there is "such a concern" in other sports.
absolutvt69
11/04/2007, 20:24
1993, the Buffalo Bills overcome a 32 point deficit to beat the Houston Oilers, now the Tennessee Titans, with 28 points of the scoring coming over a 7 minute span! Call it what you want, but it wasn't bad sportsmanship. It was a win, plain and simple. These are grown men and the idea of the game is to violently collide with other players and then someone says okay, now play nice? Nuh-uh, it doesn't work that way.
I'm a Jets fan and I don't like Billy boy for how he left our club, and I'm sure I'll be plenty ticked off after he beats us 63-0, but that's the nature of the beast and I'll be glad that we held them under 70!
I'm confused... are you saying that the Bills were running up the score by coming back to win the game??? That's not what we're talking about at all.
I gotta say...
Getting a delay of game penalty because you wish to show the game winning turnover ball to the large helmet painted on the center of the home team's field is probably the greatest display of sportsmanship I've ever seen.
So I think it's safe to say that anyone that thinks the Pats are poor sports were shown otherwise last night.
Granite Moose
11/05/2007, 08:14
Completely different circumstance. Now if the Bills were up 32 points then laid another 28 (strictly offensive team) points on them. You'd have something similar. But coming from a deficit to win a game is different than padding your stat total.
I'm confused... are you saying that the Bills were running up the score by coming back to win the game??? That's not what we're talking about at all.
I believe his point with that example was that everybody, and I mean everybody, watching that game thought it was over and would have been upset if Houston had "run up the score" in the second half. However, you never know what could happen in this league so no lead is safe.
I gotta say...
Getting a delay of game penalty because you wish to show the game winning turnover ball to the large helmet painted on the center of the home team's field is probably the greatest display of sportsmanship I've ever seen.
So I think it's safe to say that anyone that thinks the Pats are poor sports were shown otherwise last night.
I'm sorry, what exactly happened there? I was watching the game, and I saw them get the delay of game penalty, but I wasn't sure what happened to cause it.
I'm sorry, what exactly happened there? I was watching the game, and I saw them get the delay of game penalty, but I wasn't sure what happened to cause it.
Ya know how the Colts' defense apparently does a little mini-"prayer"/hop-up-and-down on the Colts Helmet in the center of the field to psych themselves up?
The guy that recovered Manning's fumble on Indy's last possession walked back to the center of the field and spiked the ball on the Colts helmet. :p
malakim2099
11/05/2007, 13:15
I gotta say...
Getting a delay of game penalty because you wish to show the game winning turnover ball to the large helmet painted on the center of the home team's field is probably the greatest display of sportsmanship I've ever seen.
So I think it's safe to say that anyone that thinks the Pats are poor sports were shown otherwise last night.
It's hard to tell when you're joking, especially since it looked like the guy spiked the ball right on the helmet. What's next, the Merriman sack-dance (which, frankly, I don't care that the Pats did that back to the Chargers last year in the playoffs... Merriman was asking for it, steroid-abuser dink that he is)? :p
Honestly, if I'm a Pats fan, I'm a bit nervous after this game. The Pats basically sleepwalked through the first three quarters, probably because they hadn't had a team actually challenge them until this point in the season. Credit to them for muscling out the win, but they aren't invincible, nor should they be portrayed as such. They better face some quality opposition that makes them work for it, else they might be in trouble facing a real team in the playoffs (frankly, the AFC East is the second-worst division in football, aside from the Pats of course).
I didn't think that my rant about the Patriots conduct in the Redskins game would last this long... wow. :cheeky:
Oh, the worst division is definitely the AFC West. Which is weird when you consider the fact the AFC power teams outweigh the NFC ones...
It's hard to tell when you're joking, especially since it looked like the guy spiked the ball right on the helmet. What's next, the Merriman sack-dance (which, frankly, I don't care that the Pats did that back to the Chargers last year in the playoffs... Merriman was asking for it, steroid-abuser dink that he is)? :p
Honestly, if I'm a Pats fan, I'm a bit nervous after this game. The Pats basically sleepwalked through the first three quarters, probably because they hadn't had a team actually challenge them until this point in the season. Credit to them for muscling out the win, but they aren't invincible, nor should they be portrayed as such. They better face some quality opposition that makes them work for it, else they might be in trouble facing a real team in the playoffs (frankly, the AFC East is the second-worst division in football, aside from the Pats of course).
I didn't think that my rant about the Patriots conduct in the Redskins game would last this long... wow. :cheeky:
Oh, the worst division is definitely the AFC West. Which is weird when you consider the fact the AFC power teams outweigh the NFC ones...
I was joking in that post yuou quoted. I found it funny, but wouldn't hold it up as the shining beacon of good sportsmanship. :p
Colts put up a damn good fight, but the Pats were better.
If anyhting, I think it just shows that even when they start out getting stuffed the Pats are intelligent enough to change up what they need to and pull out a win still.
Though I do have some issues on the officiating in that game. :ermm: :rolleyes:
malakim2099
11/05/2007, 13:30
I was joking in that post yuou quoted. I found it funny, but wouldn't hold it up as the shining beacon of good sportsmanship. :p
Scarily, I know enough Pats fans that wouldn't be joking... hence why I asked. ;)
Colts put up a damn good fight, but the Pats were better.
If anyhting, I think it just shows that even when they start out getting stuffed the Pats are intelligent enough to change up what they need to and pull out a win still.
Yeah, though I think if Marvin Harrison was able to play, it might be different. I don't think they'd have to settle for as many FGs, but it's going to be a great game in the AFC Championship, I think.
Though I do have some issues on the officiating in that game. :ermm: :rolleyes:
Honestly, I have to agree with that. There were some weird calls going on. Some of them were deserved (is that New England lineman having roid rage or something?!?), but some of that pass interference... er, huhwha? :noid:
Yeah, though I think if Marvin Harrison was able to play, it might be different. I don't think they'd have to settle for as many FGs, but it's going to be a great game in the AFC Championship, I think.
To some extent, yeah, I can see some people kinda complaining about that, but....
It's a professional sport, you compete as you are. Look at the UFC, guys fight injured all the time, those are just the breaks you get from being a pro-athlete.
Honestly, I have to agree with that. There were some weird calls going on. Some of them were deserved (is that New England lineman having roid rage or something?!?), but some of that pass interference... er, huhwha? :noid:
Yeah, it was the pass interference calls I had issues with.
That personal fouls for tripping(that man gave him the jimmy-leg++) and the holding outta bounds were definitely appropriate. As was that last one for delay of game. :p
malakim2099
11/05/2007, 14:30
To some extent, yeah, I can see some people kinda complaining about that, but....
It's a professional sport, you compete as you are. Look at the UFC, guys fight injured all the time, those are just the breaks you get from being a pro-athlete.
Oh, I agree. Hence why I said "might". But you play the hand you're dealt, and we'll see what happens in January. ;)
VelvetGuru9
11/05/2007, 14:34
Completely different circumstance. Now if the Bills were up 32 points then laid another 28 (strictly offensive team) points on them. You'd have something similar. But coming from a deficit to win a game is different than padding your stat total.
You looked at the circumstances wrongly. I'm suggesting that you don't want to be the team that lets a 42 point lead dissappear. My point is that the Oilers should have stayed kept trying to pile on points and run the score up to 60. Do that and the "greatest comeback ever" never happens. The Patriots made sure it wouldn't happen to them.
VelvetGuru9
11/05/2007, 14:38
I'm confused... are you saying that the Bills were running up the score by coming back to win the game??? That's not what we're talking about at all.
You're talking about running up the score and unsportsman showy football and I'm saying that you're job is to score. If the Bills could come back from that huge deficit, then I'm sure there's another comeback inside some other team. It's not running up the score in other words, it's making sure the other team loses.
mike_houghton
11/05/2007, 16:16
how about the dude that got the catch just before the 2 minute warning telling the cb that he ####ing sucks :P... it was over... and he is still shouting at him
All I can say is the Patriots are playing 60 minute football this season, and it showed against the Colts. Playing for keeps for 4 quarters no matter what the score is paying dividends when the Patriots really need that sort of intensity. You can't always just turn it on and off. The Patriots just have to look back at the last AFC Championship to see how that don't work.
VelvetGuru9
11/05/2007, 22:41
For all you Belichik and Patriot haters out there, let me remind you of one thing, what Bill does now will one day come back to haunt him.
The great Tom Landry would never run up the score on a team, would he? Yeah, he did. Back in 1987 during the strike season, Landry had players who'd crossed the picket lines and he ran up the score on Buddy Ryan's Eagles team made up entirely of replacement players.
Ryan made sure that in the next game they played that he'd get revenge. Regular players were back on the teams a few weeks later and it was on. In the last minute of play in the game with the Eagles up 30-20, Ryan calls a timout. The Eagles come back onto the field and the Cowboys expected the Eagles to take a knee or two. It doesn't happen and they heave the ball downfield and the Cowboys get a pass interference penalty in the endzone. The next play (I think) The Eagles run it in from a yard out making the score 37-20.
After the game Ryan used a Landry quote from the previous game; "I just played the hand I was dealt."
Remember, I dislike Belichik for leaving my NY Jets and going to the Pats in the first place, but these are grown men and if they want to run up the score, let them do it. They're men, they'll get over it and if they don't, then they need to go out on that field and pull a Buddy Ryan on Belichik...that is, if they can.
Besides, who really gives a deuce about fellowship anyway. Oh, he's the nice guy, but he didn't win the Super Bowl... Why don't you go ask Jim Kelly how it feels to have won fellowship four times. I'll bet he's real happy to have four fellowships prizes and not one LE prize to go on his finger.
cptspacebomb
11/05/2007, 22:54
I hate the Patriots. Their coach is not only classless, but most of the team is too. They're cocky, arrogant and show no respect towards other teams or their fans (I.E., Mike Vrabel running to the fans with a football, only to fake-hand it to a fan then throw it away, or the Pat who put the ball in the Indy Mid field logo...). I hate the Patriots now more than ever. And I know they beat the Colts, BUT, they BARELY beat them. And that was a Colts team missing their #1 reciever (Marvin Harrison) and their starting left Gaurd....SO, when the Colts meet the Pats in the Playoffs, it will be a different story, assuming the Colts are healthy then....
absolutvt69
11/05/2007, 23:02
I believe his point with that example was that everybody, and I mean everybody, watching that game thought it was over and would have been upset if Houston had "run up the score" in the second half. However, you never know what could happen in this league so no lead is safe.
You're talking about running up the score and unsportsman showy football and I'm saying that you're job is to score. If the Bills could come back from that huge deficit, then I'm sure there's another comeback inside some other team. It's not running up the score in other words, it's making sure the other team loses.
And that "lead" was staked early in the 3rd quarter, not halfway through the 4th and it still took overtime for them to win it. Point being there's a HUGE difference in being up 30 points early in the 3rd quarter and being up 30 points in the 4th quarter. And I'm not saying you should kneel on it for a quarter, I'm saying I think it's time better served getting your backups and second-stringers some real game snaps just in case something happens.
Antipathy
11/05/2007, 23:03
I hate the Patriots. Their coach is not only classless, but most of the team is too. They're cocky, arrogant and show no respect towards other teams or their fans (I.E., Mike Vrabel running to the fans with a football, only to fake-hand it to a fan then throw it away, or the Pat who put the ball in the Indy Mid field logo...). I hate the Patriots now more than ever. And I know they beat the Colts, BUT, they BARELY beat them. And that was a Colts team missing their #1 reciever (Marvin Harrison) and their starting left Gaurd....SO, when the Colts meet the Pats in the Playoffs, it will be a different story, assuming the Colts are healthy then....
Man, somebody's bitter. Did they beat up your favorite team or something? :ermm:
mike_houghton
11/05/2007, 23:06
For all you Belichik and Patriot haters out there, let me remind you of one thing, what Bill does now will one day come back to haunt him.
The great Tom Landry would never run up the score on a team, would he? Yeah, he did. Back in 1987 during the strike season, Landry had players who'd crossed the picket lines and he ran up the score on Buddy Ryan's Eagles team made up entirely of replacement players.
Ryan made sure that in the next game they played that he'd get revenge. Regular players were back on the teams a few weeks later and it was on. In the last minute of play in the game with the Eagles up 30-20, Ryan calls a timout. The Eagles come back onto the field and the Cowboys expected the Eagles to take a knee or two. It doesn't happen and they heave the ball downfield and the Cowboys get a pass interference penalty in the endzone. The next play (I think) The Eagles run it in from a yard out making the score 37-20.
After the game Ryan used a Landry quote from the previous game; "I just played the hand I was dealt."
Remember, I dislike Belichik for leaving my NY Jets and going to the Pats in the first place, but these are grown men and if they want to run up the score, let them do it. They're men, they'll get over it and if they don't, then they need to go out on that field and pull a Buddy Ryan on Belichik...that is, if they can.
Besides, who really gives a deuce about fellowship anyway. Oh, he's the nice guy, but he didn't win the Super Bowl... Why don't you go ask Jim Kelly how it feels to have won fellowship four times. I'll bet he's real happy to have four fellowships prizes and not one LE prize to go on his finger.
or how about we ask Steve Young, Brett Farve, Kurt Warner, Tony Dungy... and the myriad of others who won a championship with class and earned respect.... they didnt bully their way into it.
absolutvt69
11/05/2007, 23:11
All I can say is the Patriots are playing 60 minute football this season, and it showed against the Colts. Playing for keeps for 4 quarters no matter what the score is paying dividends when the Patriots really need that sort of intensity. You can't always just turn it on and off. The Patriots just have to look back at the last AFC Championship to see how that don't work.
Completely different than what we're talking about. No one is saying don't play for 4 quarters. Just that when you're up 40 points in the 4th quarter, you can probably pull the starters. But hey when a key player gets hurt trying to light up the scoreboard in an already decided game it'll be nice that not only will one of your starters be out but the backups won't have nearly as much experience as they could have had... so it's win-win.
andrewtarius
11/05/2007, 23:18
or how about we ask [...] Kurt Warner [...] who won a championship with class and earned respect.... they didnt bully their way into it.Umm, as I stated before, I remember a couple of games under Mike Martz with either Kurt Warner or Marc Bulger, which they ran up the score. But they weren't making a big deal about it.
VelvetGuru9
11/05/2007, 23:21
or how about we ask Steve Young, Brett Farve, Kurt Warner, Tony Dungy... and the myriad of others who won a championship with class and earned respect.... they didnt bully their way into it.
How about we ask Jimmy Johnson, oh wait he bullied and ran up the score, and we know Landry did it, and when the Jaguars laid a 62-7 whupping on the Miami Dolphins, no one said anything in the 4th qtr when the Jags scored. What were they supposed to do, feel sorry for their opponents and give them the ball. "Here ya go, we don't want to rub it in your face anymore than we already have." NO, they scored. Done; just like Marino's career after that game.
malakim2099
11/05/2007, 23:35
How about we ask Jimmy Johnson, oh wait he bullied and ran up the score, and we know Landry did it, and when the Jaguars laid a 62-7 whupping on the Miami Dolphins, no one said anything in the 4th qtr when the Jags scored. What were they supposed to do, feel sorry for their opponents and give them the ball. "Here ya go, we don't want to rub it in your face anymore than we already have." NO, they scored. Done; just like Marino's career after that game.
How about putting in their second string? Which you seem to be ignoring as a possibility. :p
Personally, if I'm up that much, yeah, I toss in the second string and let them work it. It's nothing to do with sportsmanship, and if the second string can score on them, so be it. I just don't want their defense going Butkus on my starting QB because they're getting angry that I am running up the score. Sure, they'd have fines and penalties... but I'd be kinda screwed. ;)
Antipathy
11/05/2007, 23:36
They did send in their second-stringers. IIRC the second-string quaterback had an interception and a touchdown.
malakim2099
11/05/2007, 23:45
They did send in their second-stringers. IIRC the second-string quaterback had an interception and a touchdown.
After it was already 45-0 with 6 minutes to go? They could have gone a bit earlier, considering how well their defense had them locked down. I would say the start of the 4th quarter would do it. Heck, it was 38-0 and they were crazy pass happy with 10 minutes left.
Completely different than what we're talking about. No one is saying don't play for 4 quarters. Just that when you're up 40 points in the 4th quarter, you can probably pull the starters. But hey when a key player gets hurt trying to light up the scoreboard in an already decided game it'll be nice that not only will one of your starters be out but the backups won't have nearly as much experience as they could have had... so it's win-win.
Belichek has coached his team to a 9-0 record. Including a win against the reigning Superbowl Champions in their house. Maybe he could be doing a better job, I don't know. All I know is I'm not going to be the one to say he's doing it wrong.
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