Bonds indicted.

[Dark Flash2099]

http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/law/11/15/bonds.indicted.ap/index.html

Hory cow!!! This is huge!

[hail_eris]

Dang. Too bad they couldn't have filed those charges, say, eight home runs ago...

[thebigZZZZZ]

well...it kind of is too late for that...because Barry still gets to keep his name on the records anyway as it happened with Pete Rose when he was found guilty for gambling.

[Shadow40]

:grin: Couldn't have happened to a nicer person.

[Frontman]

Let's do it like we do on the Southside of Chicago.

"Come on Nancy, play it!"

"Na na na na / na na na na / hey hey / goodbye!"

(Thanks to the Chicago White Sox!)

[Wolverine_Hulk]

Here is the yahoo version. (http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news?slug=jp-bondsindictment111507&prov=yhoo&type=lgns)

Cheaters never win.

[Frontman]

You know some moron will say this is racially motivated.......

*listens to Steven A. Smith's commentary on Sportscenter.*

Nevermind. Already happened.

The sad thing is that we better get used to hearing that. Barry's beat that drum for years now; and his defense team will freakin' run with it.

All the while, it has nothing to do with his race; it even doesn't have anything to do with him taking steroids. It has EVERYTHING to do with him LYING about it.

[malakim2099]

You know some moron will say this is racially motivated.......

*listens to Steven A. Smith's commentary on Sportscenter.*

Nevermind. Already happened.

The sad thing is that we better get used to hearing that. Barry's beat that drum for years now; and his defense team will freakin' run with it.

All the while, it has nothing to do with his race; it even doesn't have anything to do with him taking steroids. It has EVERYTHING to do with him LYING about it.

Well, it has to do with the fact that he's a horse's rear to the media, he LIED to the grand jury (oops!). He's not being indicted for using the roids. He's being indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice, if I remember the exact charges correctly.

Let's just give the untainted records back to Maris and Aaron, and slam anything from the Roid Era (including McGuire) with *s. :cool:

[Granite Moose]

Well, it's interesting to say the least. It just makes you wonder why they waited until now to do it. It also seems extremely coincidental that Anderson was ordered to be released from jail the same day this was announced. Though, after all this time, I'd be surprised if he decided to testify against Bonds now.
I guess we'll have to wait until December 7th to see what the case is that the prosecution is going to present.

[Frontman]

Well, it's interesting to say the least. It just makes you wonder why they waited until now to do it. It also seems extremely coincidental that Anderson was ordered to be released from jail the same day this was announced. Though, after all this time, I'd be surprised if he decided to testify against Bonds now.
I guess we'll have to wait until December 7th to see what the case is that the prosecution is going to present.

Isn't the same judge handling both cases now? It seems like Anderson was released due to them not needing him anymore.

[Frontman]

You know, after sleeping on this (literally, I printed it up, I woke up with papercuts on my forehead) I've decided that those who think this will "ruin" baseball need to remember something.

Since Andro was seen in Mark's locker, the public has had a collective hunch that players were taking PEDs. We now have the highest profile player, who was the most suspected of doing so, finally taken before a judge for lying about it. Some worry that he'll roll on others, and shed light on players we might not even suspect of using, and that scares the common fan. That what if beloved players like say Jim Thome or Derek Lee are PED users?

My point/question to all those who think this is "a dark day" and it "will ruin baseball" is, you honestly didn't think he as well as others have been using for a long time? Heck, the phrase "if you ain't cheating, you ain't trying" has been uttered by baseball players for a long, long time. PEDs have been this generations version of excessive pine tar.

This will be a part of baseball history, no doubt. But if the NHL can survive not playing for over a year, baseball can bounce back from this. As the lines go from "Field of Dreams"

"People will come Ray. The one constant through all the years, Ray, has been baseball. America has rolled by like an army of steamrollers. It has been erased like a blackboard, rebuilt and erased again. But baseball has marked the time. This field, this game: it's a part of our past, Ray. It reminds of us of all that once was good and it could be again. Oh... people will come Ray. People will most definitely come."

Times have been tough for the game before, they'll be tough again down the road. But the fans love and passion for the game remains strong. The game will survive.

Nothing that happens to Bonds, or Bonds says about the game/coaches/teams/players will change the simple fact that I will buy my few tickets I can afford. Even if say Paul Konerko and Jermaine Dye are shown to be users, I'll still sit and watch my White Sox play again next year.

And the year after that.

And the year after that.

Make no mistake, we don't know how this will effect baseball. But one things for certain, on April 7, 2008; when the fireworks go off, and the team takes the field for the first time at US Cellular, we're all either going to be there, or we'll be watching/listening.

Being a fan of the game, we'll still hold onto that we love our team, we're going to support them through thick and thin.

[lensnart]

Well, it has to do with the fact that he's a horse's rear to the media, he LIED to the grand jury (oops!). He's not being indicted for using the roids. He's being indicted for perjury and obstruction of justice, if I remember the exact charges correctly.

Let's just give the untainted records back to Maris and Aaron, and slam anything from the Roid Era (including McGuire) with *s. :cool:

All we have to do is collectively not recognize the records gained through cheating. I simply don't recognize those as records, I don't care if baseball does or not, they are as much records in my eyes as when I hit 80+ homeruns in a videogame set on easy.

[Granite Moose]

Doing some more reading on this and I came across an interesting article with some more information: http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3113231&lpos=spotlight&lid=tab2pos1.

For those unable or too laze to link, the key phrase is:

positive tests for the presence of steroids and other performance-enhancing substances by Bonds

[maxwing]

Since Andro was seen in Mark's locker, the public has had a collective hunch that players were taking PEDs.

The public's known about PED usage at least since the days of the Oakland A's "Bash Brothers" (Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire) in the eighties. Anybody looking at those two back then who DIDN'T think they were using steriods was kidding themselves. They knew it then, and they knew McGwire was using when he broke the home run record in 1998.

The 80s. Then the 90s. Hard to get worked up about action FINALLY being taken in 2007.

[Frontman]

The public's known about PED usage at least since the days of the Oakland A's "Bash Brothers" (Jose Canseco and Mark McGwire) in the eighties. Anybody looking at those two back then who DIDN'T think they were using steriods was kidding themselves. They knew it then, and they knew McGwire was using when he broke the home run record in 1998.

The 80s. Then the 90s. Hard to get worked up about action FINALLY being taken in 2007.

Oh, that's for certain. But to the common fan, who doesn't follow stats and whatnot, may or may not of noticed the Bash Brothers. My point was that even non-baseball fans were paying attention for McGwire/Sosa's run at the single season record.

And it was then that it became part of societies, not just the sports fans, conciousness.

[VelvetGuru9]

My advice to someone facing the Grand Jury - DON'T LIE!

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) -- Major League Baseball home run record holder Barry Bonds was charged with 14 counts of lying to a grand jury and one count of obstruction of justice in a new indictment that was a result of the BALCO doping investigation.

Bonds originally was charged with four counts of perjury and one count of obstruction of justice for lying about whether he knowingly used illegal substances on Nov. 15. However, U.S. District Judge Susan Illston ordered government prosecutors on Feb. 29 to rework the indictment so that each charge alleged only one lie rather than combining several alleged falsehoods into single counts.

The new indictment doesn't add any new alleged falsehoods.

The case against Bonds is still built on whether he lied when he told the grand jury that his personal trainer Greg Anderson never supplied him with steroids and human growth hormone.

Associated Press.
I watched on ESPN this morning and they had a lawyer on who said the reason why they (the judicial system) made it 14 charges is because they're only looking for just one to stick and then Bonds will go away. They'd love to get him on all 14 but they're playing a percentages game.

[pxb006]

well...it kind of is too late for that...because Barry still gets to keep his name on the records anyway as it happened with Pete Rose when he was found guilty for gambling.

Big difference. Barry's steroid use helped him obtain the record. Pete Rose was gambling while he was a manager, but that has absolutely no effect on him hitting the baseball.