Tim Tebow Had better win th Heisman

[drzoidberg1599]

Okay so heres the deal. Ive been hearing alot about the Heisman lately and rightfully so. I believe ballots must be in by wednesady, December 5th. Im having trouble with what im hearing: Darren McFadden is the front runnner...huh? Has anyone been watching college football? McFadden has has 16 touchdowns this year (15 rushing, 1 receiving). He has also rushed for 1725 yards, good enough for 4th in the nation. Tim Tebow on the other hand has run for 22 touchdowns...and hes a quarterback. He has also thrown for 29 touchdowns, for a total of 51. No Heisman winning quarterback has EVER run for more TD's than Tebow, No other Heisman winner has scored more TOTAL TD's than Tebow. McFadden is a running back and doesnt have more rushing touchdowns than a quarterback. Add to that that Tebow has 838 yards RUSHING as well as 3132 PASSING (3970 total) and i dont see how McFadden, or anyone else for that matter can even be metioned in the Heisman race. The only knock Ive heard on Tebow is that he is a sophomore...Isnt the Heisman the most oustanding college player, not junior or senior? If Tebow doesnt win, this will be the biggest mistake EVER made in the history of sports. Oh and by the way, im not even a gators fan, im a hurricanes fan. If anyone has a reason why Tebow shouldnt be the Heisman, i wanna hear from you.

[mike_houghton]

My vote is for OJ Simpson if only to get him another trophy

[drzoidberg1599]

Actually since OJ has won a Heisman, he gets a vote. Maybe he would make himself a write in.

[mike_houghton]

lol i thought u lost your right to vote if you were guilty of a felony..... oh wait.... thats right the courts forget to give him a guilty verdict :P

[absolutvt69]

Okay so heres the deal. Ive been hearing alot about the Heisman lately and rightfully so. I believe ballots must be in by wednesady, December 5th. Im having trouble with what im hearing: Darren McFadden is the front runnner...huh? Has anyone been watching college football? McFadden has has 16 touchdowns this year (15 rushing, 1 receiving). He has also rushed for 1725 yards, good enough for 4th in the nation. Tim Tebow on the other hand has run for 22 touchdowns...and hes a quarterback. He has also thrown for 29 touchdowns, for a total of 51. No Heisman winner has EVER run for more TD's than Tebow, No other Heisman winner has scored more TOTAL TD's than Tebow. McFadden is a running back and doesnt have more rushing touchdowns than a quarterback. Add to that that Tebow has 838 yards RUSHING as well as 3132 PASSING (3970 total) and i dont see how McFadden, or anyone else for that matter can even be metioned in the Heisman race. The only knock Ive heard on Tebow is that he is a sophomore...Isnt the Heisman the most oustanding college player, not junior or senior? If Tebow doesnt win, this will be the biggest mistake EVER made in the history of sports. Oh and by the way, im not even a gators fan, im a hurricanes fan. If anyone has a reason why Tebow shouldnt be the Heisman, i wanna hear from you.

While I'll have no qualms if Tebow wins the Heisman I think the part I've bolded is not correct. Are you saying no Heisman winner has ever rushed for more than 22 TDs? B/c that's just flat out wrong. Honestly I think there are few deserving players and McFadden is definitely one of them. Of course given how messed up college football's postseason is who knows what will happen. They might end up giving it to someone on Illinois by accident (it's a joke that they're in a BCS bowl).

[Granite Moose]

I can see some strong arguments for a couple of players, and Tebow is definitely in that mix. He has certainly presented a very strong case for his candidacy. I also agree that the fact that he is a Sophomore should not factor into the equation at all.

All that said, he does need to work some on his general quarterback skills if he has hopes of a long NFL career at that position. He is certainly a force as a rushing QB, though those types are quite often neutered in the pros, and has some good skills as far as passing, reading defensive schemes and general leadership skills. However, he has room for improvement, so hopefully he stays at least one more year in college to work on those skills and make himself a more complete player before venturing forth into the draft.

[drzoidberg1599]

I can see some strong arguments for a couple of players, and Tebow is definitely in that mix. He has certainly presented a very strong case for his candidacy. I also agree that the fact that he is a Sophomore should not factor into the equation at all.

All that said, he does need to work some on his general quarterback skills if he has hopes of a long NFL career at that position. He is certainly a force as a rushing QB, though those types are quite often neutered in the pros, and has some good skills as far as passing, reading defensive schemes and general leadership skills. However, he has room for improvement, so hopefully he stays at least one more year in college to work on those skills and make himself a more complete player before venturing forth into the draft.
Well actually many great quarterbacks who win the heisman are NFL busts. some never even go to the NFL. Charlie Ward, Tommy Frasier, Eric Crouch, Danny Wuerffel (i met him and hes a GREAT person) all had AMAZING careers in college and not much (if any) in the pros. Also, you must be out of high school for 3 years before being elidgible for the NFL. Remember the whole Maurice Clarett deal? (not the part about the guns)

[malakim2099]

Well, I think it should be Colt Brennan, QB Hawaii. But that's me. :)

[drzoidberg1599]

While I'll have no qualms if Tebow wins the Heisman I think the part I've bolded is not correct. Are you saying no Heisman winner has ever rushed for more than 22 TDs? B/c that's just flat out wrong. Honestly I think there are few deserving players and McFadden is definitely one of them. Of course given how messed up college football's postseason is who knows what will happen. They might end up giving it to someone on Illinois by accident (it's a joke that they're in a BCS bowl).
Tebow also set the SEC single season rushing touchdown record this year with 22. Ever heard of Hershel Walker, Emmitt Smith or Shaun Alexander? None of them ever rushed for more touchdowns in a season than Tim Tebow. Look it up if you dont beleive it.

[absolutvt69]

Actually it is correct. Tebow also set the SEC single season rushing touchdown record this year with 22. Ever heard of Hershel Walker, Emmitt Smith or Shaun Alexander? None of them ever rushed for more touchdowns in a season than Tim Tebow. Look it up if you dont beleive it.

But people outside of the SEC have won the Heisman... so that's not a correct statement. The SEC record for rushing TDs does not equal "No Heisman winner has EVER run for more TD's than Tebow". Barry Sanders had 39 TDs. OJ Simpson had 23. Mike Rozier of Nebraska had 29. Ricky Williams had 30. And those are just the ones I found w/ a quick search.

[Granite Moose]

Well actually many great quarterbacks who win the heisman are NFL busts. some never even go to the NFL. Charlie Ward, Tommy Frasier, Eric Crouch, Danny Wuerffel (i met him and hes a GREAT person) all had AMAZING careers in college and not much (if any) in the pros.

No argument here. My point was that to succeed in the NFL, he would have to improve his skills. All four of those you listed semmed pretty easy to spot mainly as products of their respective systems as opposed to being impressive as a quarterback.
Of course there's always the intangibles that you can never see or scout for (see Tom Brady, Tony Romo as very well-known recent examples).

[drzoidberg1599]

But people outside of the SEC have won the Heisman... so that's not a correct statement. The SEC record for rushing TDs does not equal "No Heisman winner has EVER run for more TD's than Tebow". Barry Sanders had 39 TDs. OJ Simpson had 23. Mike Rozier of Nebraska had 29. Ricky Williams had 30. And those are just the ones I found w/ a quick search.
I didnt say that because he holds the SEC record and that means he has more than the others. I was saying that not only has he scored more rushing touchdowns than any heaisman winning quarterback, but also that he has put up more rushing touchdowns than some of the greatest players in college football history. On top of his running hes an AMAZING passer. He has only thrown 6 picks with 29 TDs. And who else have you ever seen run a play action without a running back?

[Redsoxman80]

He is the best college player around, but he will have the future most running Q-B's have. 4 good years and then in the NFL he wont make it or by his 3rd or 4th season he will have had so many injuries he will no longer be effective Long list of same QB mold. Mcnabb came out of SY as a runner now he gets hurt if he moves 1 step out of the pocket. McNair is most like Tebow he had a gun and wheels coming out of college but with his hit instead of slide attitude (tim Tebow) now he gets hurt if a linebacker looks at him wrong. I love Tebow great college player, I feel like he will end up being one of the alltime best. I think Hester out of LSU looks a lot like Tebow but made a commitment to running back and prepared his body accordingly and will have a good NFL carrer. As for other Heisman contenders McFadden will be a beast in NFL but didn't shine enough this year. Colt Brennan...ha ha ha what a gun I seem to remember another June Jones QB that had the same build (Jeff George) what's he doing now....... I think Brennan's character issues hurt his chance too. If evryone will remember he got kicked out of OU.

[MrFurious87]

i think that had oregon's qb denis dixon had not torn his acl he would still be frontrunner for the heisman, but since he didn't get to play his last couple of games or so he's clearly out of the running. but i have always been on the tim tebow bandwagon, he's an amazing quarterback and the amount of rushing yards alone(by himself!) has outdone some running backs which is shameful for them and glorious for tebow. so if i voted it would be for the florida qb tim tebow.

[absolutvt69]

I didnt say that because he holds the SEC record and that means he has more than the others. I was saying that not only has he scored more rushing touchdowns than any heaisman winning quarterback, but also that he has put up more rushing touchdowns than some of the greatest players in college football history. On top of his running hes an AMAZING passer. He has only thrown 6 picks with 29 TDs. And who else have you ever seen run a play action without a running back?

But you went back and changed your post to remove the quote that I had an issue with. So I was correct in pointing out that the claim that no Heisman winner had ever run for more TDs than him. Now Heisman winning QB? Maybe. Also McFadden has 4 passing TDs this season just in the interest of fairness. I don't know... for some reason I'm not sold on Tebow. I think it's because I look at Urban Meyer and his system in Utah and how Alex Smith excelled in it but has struggled outside it. So it's the age old question... is it the system... or the QB? I think it's a shame that Dennis Dixon got hurt and knocked out of contention. Does anyone think that Oregon loses its last 3 games with Dixon back there? Which brings up another question... should the Heisman go to the best player or the player who is most important to his team?

All that said, I'm fairly sure Tebow will win it. The media blitz for him has been insane and if there's anything the BCS taught us it's that people will vote for whoever the talking heads tell them to.

[drzoidberg1599]

I did go back and change it (got it from a tebow website, who would think that you cant believe everything on the internet? :) ) But its good someone pointed it out. Look at McFaddens stats next to previous winners. They dont look like they belng in the same catagory. Oregon would have a 99% chance of winning those games if Dixon was in. Colt Brennan is a great player but the quality of his competition is suspect. He also had quite a few interceptions (38 TDs with 14 ints.). Hawaii has a tough time getting quality teams to fly to hawaii to play them. I think the biggest disappointment was Kevin Smith not even getting invited. For those who dont know he is the Central Florida running back. He has rushed for 2448 yards and 29 TDs. Once again I think its the quality of opponents that cripple his Heisman arguement. The Heisman goes to the "most outstanding player" as opposed to say an MVP.

[drzoidberg1599]

Congratualtions to TIM TEBOW on winning the 2007 Heisman Trophy. It might just be the only thing that turned out as predicted all year.