S-U-P-E-R-P-O-W-E-R / Illuminati discussion thread

[d_knight7]

This thread is for the S-U-P-E-R-P-O-W-E-R players (and anyone else interested) to post comments, chat, victory dance, sass-talk or whatever (as I want to keep the main game thread to just my updates)

PLEASE, any alliances or war threats that are for real MUST go via PM's with me, no direct player contact. You can say "I'm gonna nuke you!" or "Let's get her!" here, but not as real in game plans, thanks.

Let's try and keep this thread popping to keep interest in the games.

Chat, 'known' background on your nation, game fiction, anything you want vaguely connected to the game.

Oh and this is also the 'Ask the Illuminati" thread. Any game questions just say "Illuminati..." and I'll reply as best I can.

[d_knight7]

Well, I guess we have our first topic.

A late dark horse has entered the race, in the form of Darkcorsair and his Plutocracy!

He arrived too late for the summit palm-pressing, but dodged the potential fallout that the meeting may have...

Welcome Dc!

[theanalogkid]

I hope that this summit will bring all of closer.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Hmm...just noticed the various "areas" have been updated with more info. Wish I'd known them sooner but, ah well, that's half the fun - learning as you go. :)

[Jawapimp]

I hope that this summit will bring all of closer.

Indeed. However, no matter what, all will see that the nation of Kentraal is truly the land of promise.

[d_knight7]

Hmm...just noticed the various "areas" have been updated with more info. Wish I'd known them sooner but, ah well, that's half the fun - learning as you go. :)

PM'd you Lord Ringmarsh

[theanalogkid]

What "areas" are these, Lord Ringmarsh?

[d_knight7]

What "areas" are these, Lord Ringmarsh?

He means the extra explanations I added to the first couple of posts in the main game thread, oh All Knowing Faur.

Also I have my first Illuminati question:

-Does the governments/flags/names etc. have an impact in-game? Or is it all just flavor text?-

The flags and names are just flavor, but they also give your fellow nations a peak in to the psychology of your nation. Knowledge is (super)power.

The government type is more important. It should be the basis for how you spend your resources, interact with other government types, and wage war. A Communist nation, for instance, has very different goals to, say, a Republic, and will also seek those goals differently.

Also, how you appear to others will affect how they treat your nation.

Finally, I'll be throwing in regular curve-balls in the form of civic unrest, environmental issues, acts of God and other such fun. How they impact your nation may well depend on the type of nation you have :cool:

[DarkCorsair]

He means the extra explanations I added to the first couple of posts in the main game thread, oh All Knowing Faur.

Also I have my first Illuminati question:

-Does the governments/flags/names etc. have an impact in-game? Or is it all just flavor text?-

The flags and names are just flavor, but they also give your fellow nations a peak in to the psychology of your nation. Knowledge is (super)power.

The government type is more important. It should be the basis for how you spend your resources, interact with other government types, and wage war. A Communist nation, for instance, has very different goals to, say, a Republic, and will also seek those goals differently.

Also, how you appear to others will affect how they treat your nation.

Finally, I'll be throwing in regular curve-balls in the form of civic unrest, environmental issues, acts of God and other such fun. How they impact your nation may well depend on the type of nation you have :cool:


So in other words, I'm gonna hate "pirates in international waters" with a passion.

[Rokk_Krinn]

So in other words, I'm gonna hate "pirates in international waters" with a passion.

Perhaps you need the aid of an isolated country that has a religious background that acknowledges the ocean? :)

[DarkCorsair]

Perhaps you need the aid of an isolated country that has a religious background that acknowledges the ocean? :)


Does isolated = untapped natural resources? Because now that you mention it...

[Rokk_Krinn]

Does isolated = untapped natural resources? Because now that you mention it...

We have to use our own resources when we can get underneath the frozen swamps because we've long since learned that we can't depend on good relations with other countries. You're all so clique'ish to countries that aren't attached to yours. :p

[JKLantern]

Finally, I'll be throwing in regular curve-balls in the form of civic unrest, environmental issues, acts of God and other such fun. How they impact your nation may well depend on the type of nation you have :cool:

Don't forget Galactus, Skrulls, and cows!

[Rokk_Krinn]

Don't forget Galactus, Skrulls, and cows!

I thought the cows -were- Skrulls? :confused: :laugh:

[JKLantern]

I thought the cows -were- Skrulls? :confused: :laugh:

That's what they wanted you to think. Trust me, the cows are the real threat.

[Rokk_Krinn]

That's what they wanted you to think. Trust me, the cows are the real threat.

So they're hyenas disguised as Skrulls pretending to be cows. Got it!

[JKLantern]

So they're hyenas disguised as Skrulls pretending to be cows. Got it!

And working for the Wolf's Dragoons.

(Which I hope will be in a Battletech Mafia at some point! Which someone will do! In order to make the Lantern a HAPPY Lantern!)

[DarkCorsair]

We have to use our own resources when we can get underneath the frozen swamps because we've long since learned that we can't depend on good relations with other countries. You're all so clique'ish to countries that aren't attached to yours. :p


Hey, we love unattached countries. Of course, that love comes with an additional 5% ocean transport surcharge, but it's still love. And just to prove we value you equally, we'll charge everyone a 5% transport surcharge! Surcharges for everyone!

[theanalogkid]

Wow. With that reception, I should have named my country the U.S and been done with it.

[d_knight7]

The first World News Report is up in the game thread, and it's explosive!

I'm now accepting day 2 moves.

As always, all comments in this thread only, thanks :cool:

[Rokk_Krinn]

Tch. How can the Hive-Mind believe a pantheon of distant weak deities is mightier than the God King of Sopdet? Fully understandable that the Archduke would be insulted by the ignorance of beings that don't understand the sheer glory and power of Elder Beings that interact with this reality instead of hide behind myths.

[Melkhor]

We could not agree more, though the Archduke is pleased that the woeful ignorance of this world is not as widespread as he had feared.

[theanalogkid]

I, too cannot beleive the amount of godlessness there is in our world. Although of differing faiths, it is nice to see that my humble country is not the only island in this sea of ignorance.

[Jawapimp]

HA! We Kentraalians are not surprised by the reaction of the other nations. It is not uncommon for an inferior mind to be angry upon hearing that what they believe in is wrong or inferior. It must be hard to come to terms with such emotions.

[NurseFoxfire]

The Velvet sisters would like to extend their happiness at spending the evening among such esteemed company. Our deepest gratitude to the nation of Tinpotia for hosting this gala evening. It was both pleasant and enlightening to meet with the heads-of-state of each of your principalities. We are saddened that the vaunted leaders of Akbeezlestan were unable to attend. Perhaps they will grant a private visit at some future point.

To The All Knowing Faur, We bend our knee and beg your forgiveness at our indiscretion. We trust that the carriage of fresh fruits and delicacies meets with your satisfaction.

Until such time as we meet again, my august colleagues.
The Velvets

[d_knight7]

Wisdom from the Illuminati

The seven statistics can have both active and passive aspects.

Military, for instance, has the passive effect of defending your borders at all times. Should you declare war, or a peace keeping action, they become active and can be directed.

Espionage at passive is simply sifting world events, and has a small chance (depending on the quality of your spies) of getting titbit's of world news. Active, they can be directed against other nations, or used to plant fake news (see below).

Several of the stats, such as science and manufacturing, are almost always passive, and influence your other stats in mysterious ways not readily apparent. They would only become active if used to counter a problem that arose.

You can court nations with diplomacy (or use it to look generally good on an international stage), Economic to purchase military aid from another nation, or buy off their threat. Security can keep out enemy spies, or keep your own population passive. Be creative, THIS IS A VERY OPEN GAME.

Active resource is on a day to day basis (IE I'll spy on X today, I'll court Y today).

Resource points can be split between objectives as you wish.


The World News Report is information that everyone receives. Sources include:

Information freely put out by a nation.
Propaganda of a nation.
Secrets discovered and revealed by an enemy power
False news planted by an enemy power.
Happenings that a nation fails to contain.

News can be countered by further propaganda, truths can undue lies, spies can be revealed.

Win smart.

[theanalogkid]

The fruits are fine, Velvet sisters. This incident shall be forgotten and forgiven.

[Jawapimp]

The eldars of Kentraal are willing to open their borders to other nations. However, let it be known that we will not be joining you, you will be joining us.

[Cronox]

Mr. Grimm and the powerful nation of Utopia are very pleased from the first International Summit. Before that day, we did not have an enemy in sight to brutally murder and destroy...But now we do. The pathetic country of Hynorbia will be ours for the taking. As "The All Knowing Faur" was in the midst of being insulted, I, Mr. Grimm had snuck around behind everyone to spit on the Hynorbian flag. This spitting went on for several minutes, and was well worth the effort.

[d_knight7]

After speaking with Mr. Grimm, his Government Type has been revised to Totalitarian Communism. A seemingly small, but important redefinition.

[Melkhor]

The Archduke Alexandros, High Hierophant and Ruler by the Wish and Will of the Divine expresses his profound sadness at the news that military conflict might be brewing in the world, but He fully recognises the sovereign right of the rulers of Utopia to handle their own affairs as they see fit, and He publicly wishes to make it known that the grand nation of Sopdet has no interests in, nor any wishes to be involved with any eventual skirmish between two independent nations.

The Archduke has spoken.

[Jawapimp]

First off, the Kentraalian leaders would like to extend an apology for what happened at the summit between our nation and the nation of Sopdet. The conversation was not supposed to be audible, but what has been said can not be unsaid. We now provide you with a brief history of the rulers of Kentraal. While the triumvirate may appear to be of different ages, they are all ancient souls. They are both the religious and political leaders of Kentraal and are respected in revered by their people. Many Kentrallians believe that the three all posses great physical and mental powers. Whether this is myth or not is unknown.

Drakkarr the High Priestess of Death – Drakkarr represents the living embodiment of Death in Kentraalian religion. She is a slender and pale woman with black hair that extends to her waist. She most commonly wears an ornate black dress and a black veil that covers her face. Her face is rarely seen by the people of Kentraal and she is the least vocal of the three while in public. However, Death is one of the most revered of the three for her great wisdom and unyieldingness.

Strutegurt the High Priest of the Mind – Strutegurt represents the living embodiment of the mind in Kentraalian religion. He appears to be a frail old man; bald, with a long grey beard. Although he is frail in appearance he is known for his savage cunning. Little is known about this ancient man, and he spends much of his time in his chambers or in his cloister of scientists/mystics.

Octaniarr the High Priest of Life – Octaniarr represents the living embodiment of life in Kentraalian religion. He is a massive hulking young man. He is praised by both laborers and upper class alike. He is a calm and affable leader, and is the public face of the three. He is the least mysterious of the three and the people of Kentraal trust him the most. However despite his approachable and simple public appearance, he is very intelligent and spiritual.

[d_knight7]

I'm just waiting on the facists, and then I can send everyone their first Weekend Status Report (detailing their current statistics, important events and listing any outside influences affecting their nation).

I thought those guys were famous for getting things to run on time? :rolleyes: :p

[Antipathy]

Coming in a couple of seconds!

[d_knight7]

That's everyone's updates out!

Some are more complex than others, as some of you consolidated, where as others leaped right in to the secrets deals and shadow play!

Everyone should have stuff to pour over this weekend though, so plenty of ideas about what to do come Monday :cool:

Until then this thread is of course available, and my PM box is always open.

See you Monday ye powerful nations!

[d_knight7]

ASK THE ILLUMINATI

-I was just wondering, in the case of war breaking out between <CENSORED>, is it possible for me to, covertly and discreetly of course, inform <CENSORED> that I have <CENSORED> in <CENSORED>, and with potentially VERY <CENSORED> that <CENSORED> wouldn't be opposed to sharing, for a reasonable price, of course?-


Players can attempt, offer or suggest absolutely anything, the game is completely wide open. Just make sure everything goes via me.

Not everything will work of course, depending on timing, the manner of implementation and any mitigating factors. Creative and clever moves are certainly worth trying though

You could also ask for anything in return, say temporary aid, military intervention, or even permanent stat points for a big favor.

[d_knight7]

ASK THE ILLUMINATI

-I'm confused on some things.

Let's say I want to find out what are the stats on a certain country. How many espionage points do I have to have?

How exactly do I conquer a country? I know I have to send military units against another country, but what exactly determines who wins and who loses?

Does defending your country gain any bonuses?

How exactly does adding points to science benefit you? Does your country learn new things? What kind of things?-


The first thing to realize about S-U-P-E-R-P-O-W-E-R is that it's not clix or MTG. There's no definitive rulebook, no comparative stat breakdowns, and no killer-combos.

In real life when you decide to spy on a nation you don't have a sheet showing how many spies you need for X result. Likewise when you invade a nation you never really know if they have a ZX-5 missile that will reduce your guys to irradiated dust.

For espionage you make a conscious effort of whether to spy or not, and how many resources you think can do the job, then 'roll the dice'. Maybe you'll only learn a little, or maybe they've got great security and you cause an international incident. That's global espionage for ya.
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Oh and I'll never tell you "nation X has 13 of this and 6 of that", you'll get "Nation X is heavily in to industry and are building up a massive military force", for instance.

To conquer a nation you build a military you think sufficient and you have a go. The main factor is of course the size of your military, but I will be factoring in things like supply, equipment quality, wages etc. And no, I'm not going to tell you how those factors come in to it. Do you think Napoleon or Hitler thought they we're going to end up with starving frozen armies in Russia?
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Oh and don't forget, whatever you send out, it's no longer protecting your border...
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Also of note, security forces can, in a pinch, function as poor troops (how poor defending on, you guessed it, other factors).

Defending your country gets you the bonus of not being invaded by a man on a bicycle ;)

Science affects the level of scientific advancement your country has going for it. It can have an indirect affect on all other aspects of your nation, and occasionally will produce a concrete advancement of some kind unique to your nation. But then, several of your other stats can too...

I'm going for a very open, fluid and 'realistic' feel with this game. The stats are merely the skeleton, the rest of the game is clothed in imagination, commonsense and my personal weighing of factors.

ANY direction you take your country, if you play it right, can 'win' this game.

[d_knight7]

ASK THE ILLUMINATI

-Do you lose the resource points when you put them towards an action?-

It IS possible, but only as a result of a disastrous turn of events. Ingeneral they are merely used for the day and regenerate.

Example:

You have diplomacy 2.

You've royally annoyed the nation of Thinskinistan, so you decide to begin a diplomatic exchange with them.

Today you tell me you're using both your points of diplomacy to kiss their ###. That's your points used for today.

Tomorrow you could continue kissing their ### OR kiss it with 1 point and use the other elsewhere OR cease kissing altogether OR even put your days resources in to getting diplomacy 4 and REALLY pucker up.

[Rokk_Krinn]

You do realize you're going to be begged to keep up a continual string of these games because this is already so incredibly fun, right?

[Jackofhearts2005]

If and when I join one of these games, my nation will be a anarcho-syndicalist commune. :p

[Antipathy]

Economic (becoming a rich nation)
Manufacturing (production and agriculture)
Scientific (Self explanatory)
Diplomatic (World standing and ability to deal politely with others)
Security (Police forces and counter-espionage)
Espionage (Spies and saboteurs)
Military (Defense and offense against other nations)

[d_knight7]

ASK THE ILLUMINATI

-What exactly does kissing someone's ### gain you? A mention in their world report? Or maybe some favor in-game?-

The literal answer is, you tell me.

When you spend the day's diplomacy you tell me how it's being used, not just where.

So it could be to create a trade connection, defuse a brewing war, arrange an alliance, pretty much anything. Larger goals (such as military unity or resource exchange) will of course require more effort. In terms of sheer points spent results depend on reaching a numeric 'critical mass', the number of which you don't know. But commonsense dictates that daily pounding a nation with 5 points of "we love you!" will get swifter results than the odd day spending 1.

Mostly these things are secret, but one or both nations can "out" their connection to the world press (perhaps annoying the other nation if they did not agree. You can also be "outed" by enemy spies or a diligent press if they're operating in a relatively free society.

Also a quick note to shake you guys up: sometimes populations have different ideas to their leaders.

Sometimes your devout nation hops in to bed with the godless before smoothing the way, and they riot. Conversely, sometimes a nation has won over your populace, and they don't want to war with their friends. In either case, steps would then have to be taken.
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Of course in times of desperation people can be glad for whatever they get. Also, some societies do what they are told more easily.

I can almost hear the sinister gears turning in cunning minds :devious:

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=You do realize you're going to be begged to keep up a continual string of these games because this is already so incredibly fun, right?=

Hey, I'm just glad you guys seem to be having fun. My local rpg group dried up so this is filling my fix :cool:

[d_knight7]

ASK THE ILLUMINATI

my, my, my, I've practically performed no worldwide evil today because I'm chained to my quill answering these things. Ah well, the life of a sinister behind the scenes mastermind, tsk!


-If you send out military do they regenerate every day as standard?-

Ah, now military on the move is a little different to the rest.

Let's say you have military 7, and you send 5 out to attack a nation, and leave 2 behind for home defense. They are committed resources. Now you could, on any subsequent turns, alter the ratio, but the enemy doesn't just disappear in a puff of smoke (unless their one of those nation the man on the bicycle can take).


-If you conquer a country do you gain all of their points?

Can you use points you assign on the same turn?-

I'm sorry, no hard and fast rules or sure things in S-U-P-E-R-P-O-W-E-R. This is a game of trailblazing and having-a-go.

The first nations to war will get to see the intricacies of war, and not before. Wars are messy things, and not to be taken lightly. Although fortune can favor the bold...

Oh no, mixed messages! :p


-So you cannot pm someone until you intiate contact via spending Diplomacy points?-

Never, ever, EVER PM another player about something 'in-game', under threat of pain of death by nasty big pointy teeth.

Everything goes via me, everything.

Think of diplomacy as putting weight behind contact with other nations. You can write pages of love letters to Evilstan if you want, without diplomats to pass on the message you'll just insult them. More diplomacy, more progress.


-Say I wanted to steal from another nation, how would I go about doing that?-

Steal? Why, countries do not steal from another sir, they 'appropriate resources'.

As this would be a big thing (taking the hard earned stats of another) it would have to be a big, clever, sneaky, multi divisional operation. You'd basically set up the operation, tell me how you were doing it, and what resources you were throwing behind it, and then we'd see how the bones fell :cool:

Or you can always threaten a nation in to paying you off.

[Antipathy]

When you spend the day's diplomacy you tell me how it's being used, not just where.

So it could be to create a trade connection

In light of this new information, Redheart would like to initiate contact between other nations in order to create a trade connection. I believe this link could be used to benefit both our nations. Anyone willing to talk with me about trade relationships would likely receive an answer in the affirmative.

[Antipathy]

Also, I would like to clarify my government position. Our government is more of a benevolent dictatorship rather than a facist society. I prefer to put my peoples' interests first, ruling like a philosopher king.

Unlike Mussolini, I do not believe war is needed to strengthen a nation. I believe a nation can achieve greatness through different methods.

[d_knight7]

In light of this new information, Redheart would like to initiate contact between other nations in order to create a trade connection. I believe this link could be used to benefit both our nations. Anyone willing to talk with me about trade relationships would likely receive an answer in the affirmative.

As you seem to want to acknowledge your wish to trade globally I shall use your Dip for today to get a small add in the next World News Report (coming out later today).

[Antipathy]

As you seem to want to acknowledge your wish to trade globally I shall use your Dip for today to get a small add in the next World News Report (coming out later today).

Yes, this is my wish. My thanks.

[Cronox]

Also, I would like to clarify my government position. Our government is more of a benevolent dictatorship rather than a facist society. I prefer to put my peoples' interests first, ruling like a philosopher king.

Unlike Mussolini, I do not believe war is needed to strengthen a nation. I believe a nation can achieve greatness through different methods.
Hah, a philsopher king? There can be no peace without war, and freedom is slavery. People's interests do not matter, and they are only cattle, being pulled and prodded this way and that.

I would think it wise for Redheart to reinvision his ways...

[Antipathy]

Hah, a philsopher king? There can be no peace without war, and freedom is slavery. People's interests do not matter, and they are only cattle, being pulled and prodded this way and that.

I would think it wise for Redheart to reinvision his ways...

I would rather avoid war, but if it does benefit my people then I have armies at my command that are willing to do my bidding.

[Cronox]

I would rather avoid war, but if it does benefit my people then I have armies at my command that are willing to do my bidding.Benefit your people? Each person desires something different, how can you possibly appease them all? You must take matters into your own hands, not to benefit the people, but to strengthen the people.

[Antipathy]

Benefit your people? Each person desires something different, how can you possibly appease them all? You must take matters into your own hands, not to benefit the people, but to strengthen the people.

I do not plan on appeasing all my citizens. I do listen to the majority's opinion and take it into consideration. However, it is ultimately my opinion that becomes Gemaco's course of action.

But if an overwhelming majority demands certain items, then I would concede to them. But I do not believe that this will happen very often, since most of my decisions have benefited my people.

[Jawapimp]

In light of this new information, Redheart would like to initiate contact between other nations in order to create a trade connection. I believe this link could be used to benefit both our nations. Anyone willing to talk with me about trade relationships would likely receive an answer in the affirmative.

Consider the collective ears of Kentraal to be open on this matter...

[Rokk_Krinn]

Consider the collective ears of Kentraal to be open on this matter...

I thought you were so powerful that you were threatening countries with enveloping them. Why do you need to be open to discussion if you're so mighty?

[Cronox]

I thought you were so powerful that you were threatening countries with enveloping them. Why do you need to be open to discussion if you're so mighty?
I swear you're everywhere...

[Rokk_Krinn]

I swear you're everywhere...

Yes, you never know where the united forces of my nation will show up. ;)

[Jawapimp]

I thought you were so powerful that you were threatening countries with enveloping them. Why do you need to be open to discussion if you're so mighty?

I can see how something might sound to a nation so ignorant that it is always waving its swords around. I will not take back, nor deny anything that may have already been said. However, the nation of Kentraal believes that others would benefit from being involved with us.

[d_knight7]

Since everyone seems to be having fun (and some of you are hounding me day and night about your next moves :grin: ), I'm going to instigate more regular moves.

On days like today, when I have the spare time and people are posting moves promptly, I may have more than 1 day's worth of moves active. It'll still be one game day at a time, just occasionally you'll get more than 1 game day per real world day.

I hope you all approve :cool:

Now receiving day 4 turns!

PS- don't worry if you can't post more than once a day, I will only post a day's moves AFTER everyone has moved (or we're in to the next real life day).

[Rokk_Krinn]

I can see how something might sound to a nation so ignorant that it is always waving its swords around. I will not take back, nor deny anything that may have already been said. However, the nation of Kentraal believes that others would benefit from being involved with us.

Funny that you think we're the ones waving around swords - or for that matter that your level of technology is such that you believe swords are still the way to fight - when you're the one making threatening advancements towards other countries and talking about absorbing them.

[d_knight7]

Dear Illuminati,

I was wondering why my diplomatic attempts are always slight, and my intentions vague? How specific do I need to be?

-Confused in Diplomaland


Well Confused, it's not a matter of being specific, it's getting the suggestion heard and acted upon. When diplomatic relations reach a certain 'critical mass' then things like trade agreements happen.

Think of it like saving up to buy a booster, by putting your spare change in a jar till you have enough.

Atm you're putting your little amount of change in two jars for two separate boosters. You can't expect to get results as fast as another guy who's sticking to a jar and putting in all of his lunch money.

Make sense?

Some of you will make agreements much faster than others, for the simple reason that they put a lot of points in to diplomacy and/or focus on one other nation. This is fair because that nation is specializing in diplomacy, just as you might be in say science, espionage or security.

Just remember, while the other boy's toys make look shinier to you, he's jealous of your toys too :cool:

[d_knight7]

A note regarding World News Report Day 4!

The nation threatened by Utopia was incorrectly identified as Sopdet. The actual nation threatened was Hynorbia.

The Editor responsible has been executed, and the article has been corrected.

[Cronox]

I would just like to say, on behalf of all of Utopia, that we did not threaten the nation of Hynorbia. Yes, we are a state that does not take matters easily, and yes we are not afraid of war. And even though we probalbly could threaten Hynorbia, in this specific case, we did not.

Mr Grimm

[theanalogkid]

Threaten, no. Attempt to blackmail? Yes. Do not confuse godliness for weakness.

[Rokk_Krinn]

One can only blackmail if there's a secret to be exposed. You could remove power from the blackmailer by just revealing it.

[theanalogkid]

Which is why it was just an attempt. Stongarm tactics do not work when you have a small reach.

[d_knight7]

Still waiting on a player.

I've PM'd him and I'm going to give him another 2 hours before going on.

Thank you for your patience.

[d_knight7]

Well, if today's Daily News Report doesn't revitalize this thread with gossip and accusations I give up :p

[DarkCorsair]

The nation of Akbeezlestan condemns the dishonest dealings of the Gemacan people. Any nation willing to make genuine business dealings is welcome, but those found to be dealing with Gemaco will be subject to embargo.

[Melkhor]

The honest and hard working people of Sopdet (embodied by his holiness the Archduke) strongly condenms any such underhand dealings and sympathise fully with the plight of their Akbeezlistani brethren.

Also, the burdgeoning merchan class of Sopdet are more than willing to compensate fair and mighty Akbeezlestan with open and honest trading to do their part in replacing any revenue that might be lost to the cowardly treason of Gemaco and their, alleged, Utopian allies.

[Jawapimp]

The sympathy of Kentraal goes out to Akbeezlestan. Maybe next time you will look more closely at those who you trust. Mind you, the ears and minds of Kentraal are always open, and we will only take offers that we can trust and that we can reciprocate fully.

[Antipathy]

What the heck? Why would I invest so much time into finalizing treaties with Azbeezlestan, if in fact I was trying to stab you in the back with Utopia. That makes no sense at all. Honestly!

[Antipathy]

It makes absolutely no sense at all. I was offering you treaties that could improve the economies of both our nations. Why in the world would I also want to crash your economy at the same time? I haven't even sent one diplomat to Utopia!

I've just wasted 4 freakin' days of effort all for nothing.

[Antipathy]

It seems that they had been on the brink of finalizing several important treaties with Gemaco, when damaging evidence of a joint Gemaco/Utopian plot was revealed! Details are sketchy, but the plot appears to involve sabotaging the Akbeezlestanian Trade Guild from within, and driving the country in to depression or bankruptcy.

It's all right there. We were about to finalize treaties that would benefit both our nations, when I'm suddenly discovered to be plotting the downfall of Azbeezlestan? That would only hurt my nation in the long run!

Somebody used their espionage power on my country in order to falsify evidence that I was planning with Utopia.

[Antipathy]

The nation of Akbeezlestan condemns the dishonest dealings of the Gemacan people. Any nation willing to make genuine business dealings is welcome, but those found to be dealing with Gemaco will be subject to embargo.

Can't you see? I would never do such a thing to a country I invested so much time in courting.

[Melkhor]

It's all right there. We were about to finalize treaties that would benefit both our nations, when I'm suddenly discovered to be plotting the downfall of Azbeezlestan? That would only hurt my nation in the long run!

Somebody used their espionage power on my country in order to falsify evidence that I was planning with Utopia.

Would you happen have any evidence to support such grave allegations?

If that is not the case then why should his Holiness the Archduke (or anyone else for that matter) trust your word here?

[Antipathy]

Would you happen have any evidence to support such grave allegations?

If that is not the case then why should his Holiness the Archduke (or anyone else for that matter) trust your word here?

Because a Utopian/Gemaco alliance to bring down the nation of Azbeezlestan would be totally counter-productive to my efforts over almost the whole game.

Remember, DarkCorsair and I were on the cusp of finalizing treaties. If I had invested so much into finalizing a treaty with him, why would I also want to bring his nation down?

And what also is unfortunate is that whatever spies that are in my or DarkCorsair's country have probably been pulled out today. Which leaves me with no solid proof that I wasn't involved with Utopia in bringing down Azbeezlestan.

But if you look at the motives, you would see that me wanting to bring down Azbeezlestan would make no sense on so many levels that it is almost preposterous that I would want such a thing.

I haven't even sent any diplomats to Utopia in the first place.

Sorry DarkCorsair, looks like I'll have to make treaties with other countries, because without me catching the spies involved I don't think I'd ever be able to convince your populace that I was involved in this absurd plot to bring down your nation. I wish I could convince them, but I don't think I can. :(

[DarkCorsair]

Steps will be taken to investigate the claims of Redheart. In the meantime, relations will remain... strained, at best.

[Melkhor]

Because a Utopian/Gemaco alliance to bring down the nation of Azbeezlestan would be totally counter-productive to my efforts over almost the whole game.

Remember, DarkCorsair and I were on the cusp of finalizing treaties. If I had invested so much into finalizing a treaty with him, why would I also want to bring his nation down?

And what also is unfortunate is that whatever spies that are in my or DarkCorsair's country have probably been pulled out today. Which leaves me with no solid proof that I wasn't involved with Utopia in bringing down Azbeezlestan.

But if you look at the motives, you would see that me wanting to bring down Azbeezlestan would make no sense on so many levels that it is almost preposterous that I would want such a thing.

I haven't even sent any diplomats to Utopia in the first place.

Sorry DarkCorsair, looks like I'll have to make treaties with other countries, because without me catching the spies involved I don't think I'd ever be able to convince your populace that I was involved in this absurd plot to bring down your nation. I wish I could convince them, but I don't think I can. :(

Who's to say what evil and demented motivation could lurk behind the actions of a Leader who would engage in such underhand activity?

Perhabs you plotted with Utopia to bring down wealthy Akbeezlestan disguised as their ally and partner. Thus blindsided and brought low by economic treachery Akbeezlestan would be hard pressed to defend herself from a sudden two-pronged assualt by Utopia and Gemaco and you could split the defeated country between you like a ripe fruit.

If you have no evidence to support your claims then all right-thinking individuals will surely dismiss them as the fevered ramblings of a guilty man caught red-handed, as they should.

Needless to say, his Holiness the Archduke is deeply disappointed in the sad state of the World today and the levels of treachery and corruption that so obviously run rampant. And in his sorrow He can only point to the glorious beacon of enlightenment, honesty, truth and civility that cements the eternal brotherhood between the people of Proud Gelifor and Mighty Sopdet!

It is the fondest wish of his Holiness the Archduke that all other nations would look to this glorious example and allow the light of these rising stars to enter their hearts and souls so that all might receive the blessing of the Divine.

[Antipathy]

Who's to say what evil and demented motivation could lurk behind the actions of a Leader who would engage in such underhand activity?

Perhabs you plotted with Utopia to bring down wealthy Akbeezlestan disguised as their ally and partner. Thus blindsided and brought low by economic treachery Akbeezlestan would be hard pressed to defend herself from a sudden two-pronged assualt by Utopia and Gemaco and you could split the defeated country between you like a ripe fruit.

Ok, for the sake of argument let's assume that I am plotting with Utopia, while fighting heavily for a treaty with Akbeezlestan.

The treaty is signed. This bolsters both our economies.

Suddenly, I declare war on Akbeezlestan in alliance with Utopia. The treaty is broken, and our economies go back to the way they used to be.

I gain nothing from signing a treaty with Akbeezlestan, if my intent was to take them over. I actually waste resources fighting to sign a treaty, when I could spend those points elsewhere on another country that could maintain a treaty with me.

It makes no logical sense as to why I would want to sign an economic treaty with DarkCorsair while on the other hand plot to bring him down. It only hurts me in the long run.

There is no way I could sabotage his economy by signing a treaty. I would have to send spies into his territory in order to do so.

[Melkhor]

.... There is no way I could sabotage his economy by signing a treaty. I would have to send spies into his territory in order to do so. ....

Really? I didn't know you were the one making the rules for this game? ;)

[Cronox]

Wow. First i'd like to say that I have never had contact with the people of Gemaco, and I wish no harm to Azbeezlestan. The nation of Utopia is strong, powerful, and ruthless. If I meant anyone harm, I would tell them (like I have). I have also never lied, nor shall I. I know that I have also had no contact with Azbeezlestan, but I really don't wish them harm. They've done nothing to upset me, or my nation, therefore there is no problem.

I would like to say that if I would plot against anyone, it would be Hynorbia, not Azbeezlestan. Invading Azbeezlestan would only hurt my military, and I need them for other purposes. I really wish you no harm.

On another note I would like to mention that a few nghts ago I found a spy in my kingdom. I identified the origin of this spy, butchered him, and sent a message to that kingdom. This Kingdom was neither Gemaco, nor Azbeezlestan.

If either of those nations wishes to start trade with Utopia, I will welcome them. And only them. Any other nations will have to prove themselves honest enough for my great nation's attention. Utopia is rich with resources and traded goods.

[Antipathy]

Well, if anybody would like to know, I discovered infiltrators within my territory today. Unfortunately they fled before I could question them.

[Antipathy]

Gemaco Scandal? Pfft. Anybody can recognize that it would be utterly stupid of me to stab DarkCorsair behind the back. Damn spies.

[Antipathy]

This is ridiculous. :ermm:

[d_knight7]

Interesting news stories huh? Makes you want to get right in to action.

Well, see you all Monday! :devious:

[Antipathy]

Interesting news stories huh? Makes you want to get right in to action.

Well, see you all Monday! :devious:

Is it possible for us to continue on through the weekend? However, I can completely understand if you cannot mod during these times, especially since you have a baby boy to take care of. :)

[Rokk_Krinn]

Yeah, the multiple phases in one day spoiled us earlier in the week as these "once a day" phases were agonizing. :)

[d_knight7]

Another juicy news day.

Discuss :cool:

[Antipathy]

Finally, a bit of good news for me. :)

Many thanks to whomever put that out there.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Finally, a bit of good news for me. :)

Many thanks to whomever put that out there.

Careful, you might injure yourself by patting yourself on the back so much. ;)

[Antipathy]

Careful, you might injure yourself by patting yourself on the back so much. ;)

Haha, that wasn't me that put that blurb in the World Report.

Of course, nobody except the contributing country is going to believe me, but it's true.

[Rokk_Krinn]

It comes to my attention that there seems to be a central stranglehold being formed by the anti-humanistic nations of Kentraal, Utopia and Gemaco. They've already proven themselves as individuals more interested in crushing the will of their people - just look at how they rule their nations - and now they are trying to expand that to countries where freedom of expression and beliefs (such as those found in Sopdet) exist.

Open thought is always scary to dictators.

[Jawapimp]

It comes to my attention that there seems to be a central stranglehold being formed by the anti-humanistic nations of Kentraal, Utopia and Gemaco. They've already proven themselves as individuals more interested in crushing the will of their people - just look at how they rule their nations - and now they are trying to expand that to countries where freedom of expression and beliefs (such as those found in Sopdet) exist.

Open thought is always scary to dictators.

When has Kentraal ever made aggressive, anti-humanistic movements against anyone? Our reputation has been besmirched by some false information that should be investigated. It should be known that we sent out good will ambassadors to the struggling country of Utopia.

[Rokk_Krinn]

When has Kentraal ever made aggressive, anti-humanistic movements against anyone?

You mean besides your own people that you enslave into a hive mind, where their own freeform thoughts, expressions and creativity are subjugated and bent to the will of the leaders?

A Hive is just another way of saying Queen and Slaves! Free the Kentraalian Workers!

[Antipathy]

It comes to my attention that there seems to be a central stranglehold being formed by the anti-humanistic nations of Kentraal, Utopia and Gemaco. They've already proven themselves as individuals more interested in crushing the will of their people - just look at how they rule their nations - and now they are trying to expand that to countries where freedom of expression and beliefs (such as those found in Sopdet) exist.

Open thought is always scary to dictators.

Seriously, you should read my previous comments. I'm not interested in crushing the will of their people. Rather, I am willing to listen to the will of the people, and their beliefs factor into my decisions.

However, my populace has placed their full trust in me. Therefore, the populace believes that decisions I make are in their best interests, which is why they are willing to follow me.

And one of the main reasons why I allied with Utopia was because after some country out there ruined my relations with Azbeezlestan (:angry:), they were the only ones who earnestly courted me. But I am still very happy to have them as my ally, and welcome all others who wish to ally with the great nation of Gemaco.

[Rokk_Krinn]

However, my populace has placed their full trust in me. Therefore, the populace believes that decisions I make are in their best interests, which is why they are willing to follow me.


Children sheltered at home without seeing the world often believe their parents always know best. I imagine keeping your populace ignorant helps them come to the decision that you help their best interests.

[d_knight7]

Dear Illuminati

1) What are the layouts of the nations? For example, where can I get to via CENSORED airspace?

2) Can you use Military for a non-extended engagement, such as a surgical strike?

-Itchy Trigger Finger


Oh you kids and your wars :)

1) Due to the peculiar geography of the world, every nation shares a border with every other nation. It makes for delightfully easy access for inter-nation picnics and present leaving.

2) For a surgical strike to succeed it would first require a real outclassing of your enemy when it comes to your military size/quality. Reasonably evenly classed forces become a meat grinder, so your strike would be rebutted.

Secondly, a surgical strike would usually be like rapping a naughty dog on the nose, painful but not damaging in the long term. The exception would be an overwhelmingly superior force striking, which could leave minor permanent damage.

As a clear message of "we can annihilate you at whim, back off!" it can work wonders though.

[Jawapimp]

You mean besides your own people that you enslave into a hive mind, where their own freeform thoughts, expressions and creativity are subjugated and bent to the will of the leaders?

A Hive is just another way of saying Queen and Slaves! Free the Kentraalian Workers!

Maybe you should take a visit to Kentraal my friend, for your views of our country are quite askew. Our people our not under any sort of mind control, nor are they slaves of any kind. They do as they please just like any other living being in Kentraal. If we were of lesser intelligence maybe we would reply to your incensing comments with an attack. Is that what you want? Maybe you should resist the urge to make false assumptions on other countries, one day it could prove costly.

[Melkhor]

Yet again the dread spectre of strife cast a gloomy shadow over what should be an illuminated gathering of kindred spirits.

It brings a deep and profound sadness to the heart of his Holiness the Archduke to hear such harsh words exchanged, particularly when coupled with ill-veiled threat of military action. Our world is teethering on the brink of an infinite abyss of ignorance, darkness and death, and yet people would rather squabble like undisiciplined children than work together to bring about a Golden Age of Reason, Piety and Peace?

Truly, it would do the world good if more would only look to the shining example of glorious and peace-loving nations such as Sopdet, Gelifor or Akbeezlestan and allow the Light of the Divine that these blessed states reflect into their hearts and minds.

[d_knight7]

Still waiting on Cronox and DarkCorsair...

[DarkCorsair]

Still waiting on Cronox and DarkCorsair...

Apologies for the delay! PM sent!

[Rokk_Krinn]

You can make all the double-talk you wish, Kentraal but as long as you continue to oppress people, we will give them military aid to overthrow your oppressive regimes.

That was a warning.

[d_knight7]

The Illuminati speak

In an effort for clearer, more flavorful science I have created a secret chart marking the progress of a civilization. Due to this new scale starting somewhat lower than I originally had in mind, you'll have to excuse some anachronisms with earlier flavor text (ie you had jets, now you have something you shovel coal in to, but your science level is actually the same as it ever was).

Before everyone panics and goes science crazy (in the trend of the diplomacy scare of last week), just remember you're no worse off than you were 10 minutes ago, I just adjusted the measuring stick is all.

As always, science is just one of the many measurements of the success of your nation, and only indirectly affects other stats.

[Melkhor]

It saddens the Archduke deeply that vile accusations are still being levelled against the proud people of Sopdet by slanderous and untrustworthy media.

What interest would the peaceful nation of Sopdet have in becoming involved with the brewing conflict between Gelifor and Kentraal?

Though the course of noble Gelifor is, without a doubt, most righteous, the Archduke is still a man of peace who regrets that even a single life should be lost in the tireless struggle to bring the Light, Grace and Blessings of the Divine to the opressed and down-trodden.

[Jawapimp]

You can make all the double-talk you wish, Kentraal but as long as you continue to oppress people, we will give them military aid to overthrow your oppressive regimes.

That was a warning.

Giving military aid equates to destroying ageless government buildings and killing my people? You have created a great enemy this day, and I can only hope the other nations of this great world will see this 'military aid' as an act of terrorism. For us to retaliate would merely be to stoop to your level of simple bullying, and we are beyond such things. Save the fighting for the dogs, mankind has the gifts that allow us to make piece with one another. I hope that the nation of Gelifor will one day understand this.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Free your oppressed people - the ones that call out to not have their minds in constant subjugation - and Gelifor will gladly welcome the achievements of Kentraal.

I should note though that those government buildings were key in the domination of your people as well as developing weapons to link other nations to your Hive Mind...you neglect to mention that.

[Jawapimp]

Free your oppressed people - the ones that call out to not have their minds in constant subjugation - and Gelifor will gladly welcome the achievements of Kentraal.

I should note though that those government buildings were key in the domination of your people as well as developing weapons to link other nations to your Hive Mind...you neglect to mention that.

These are false accusations. We gladly opened our borders to diplomats to seek out these 'mind control' devices, yet we were greeted by armed soldiers hellbent on destroying our peaceful nation. The great three is saddened by the lack of thought and communication from the nation of Gelifor that led to this foolish invasion.

[NurseFoxfire]

The gentle people of Terria are saddened to learn of this terrible military move by the brute savages of Gelifor. We feel that peaceful negotiations are the only way to achieve universal harmony, and that an armed invasion of this nature shatters the fragile co-existence of all nations.

How much longer should peace-loving nations stand idly by and allow such a threat to continue? The Velvet Sisters call on our fellow rulers to convene a summit to discuss sanctions against Gelifor. This cannot be tolerated.

[Jawapimp]

The gentle people of Terria are saddened to learn of this terrible military move by the brute savages of Gelifor. We feel that peaceful negotiations are the only way to achieve universal harmony, and that an armed invasion of this nature shatters the fragile co-existence of all nations.

How much longer should peace-loving nations stand idly by and allow such a threat to continue? The Velvet Sisters call on our fellow rulers to convene a summit to discuss sanctions against Gelifor. This cannot be tolerated.

We Kentraalians appreciate the support of the Velvet Sisters and the great nation of Terria. We would certainly be the first on the list for a summit to discuss what has happened between our nation and the nation of Gelifor.

[Melkhor]

The gentle people of Terria are saddened to learn of this terrible military move by the brute savages of Gelifor. We feel that peaceful negotiations are the only way to achieve universal harmony, and that an armed invasion of this nature shatters the fragile co-existence of all nations.

How much longer should peace-loving nations stand idly by and allow such a threat to continue? The Velvet Sisters call on our fellow rulers to convene a summit to discuss sanctions against Gelifor. This cannot be tolerated.

His Holiness, the Archduke feels that such actions would be rash and unwise at the present time. First, we must pierce the mysteries surrounding these incidents and make certain we learn the cause and reasoning behind Gelifor's actions.

All must come to light before we can pass fair judgement in this sensitive and most serious matter.

[Rokk_Krinn]

The gentle people of Terria are saddened to learn of this terrible military move by the brute savages of Gelifor. We feel that peaceful negotiations are the only way to achieve universal harmony, and that an armed invasion of this nature shatters the fragile co-existence of all nations.

How much longer should peace-loving nations stand idly by and allow such a threat to continue? The Velvet Sisters call on our fellow rulers to convene a summit to discuss sanctions against Gelifor. This cannot be tolerated.

Such dissemination here. My country did no such Invasion and are not occupying any space of Kentraal. We overtly performed a surgical attack upon buildings that were being used to subjugate the will of the Kentraalian citizens. We went in and left.

I had asked other nations to start opposing the totalitarian actions of such nations; no one did anything. I would not allow the Voice of Freedom to go unheard any longer.

[Melkhor]

Such dissemination here. My country did no such Invasion and are not occupying any space of Kentraal. We overtly performed a surgical attack upon buildings that were being used to subjugate the will of the Kentraalian citizens. We went in and left.

I had asked other nations to start opposing the totalitarian actions of such nations; no one did anything. I would not allow the Voice of Freedom to go unheard any longer.

The Archduke fully understands and sympathises with such sentiments, though he deeply regrets any loss of life.

However, he also understands that in some cases only the action of man may bring the Light of the Divine to the Dark Corners of the Earth.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Kentraal would do well to remember that if our goal was not the freedom of people but outright desire for warfare, we would have done far more and stayed longer.

This was their warning message. Change their ways in an honest and sincere manner or things will progress further.

[Cronox]

So the people of Sopdet feel that any Nation who does not share the same narrow-minded views of their own, should be terminated? You had NO reason to invade Kentraal, other than your own bloodlust. You destroyed buildings that contained innocent people who perished in the blasts. Do you think that should be tolerated? Your views are not the same as everyone else in this world, and it is time you realised that. I caution Sopdet that if this action continues, many Nations will be forced to cease the attacks.

Sopdet is a Nation that says one thing, but does another. It is time to attend a summit, like The Velvet Sisters have proposed, and end their brutal actions. Even Utopia did not think it neccesary to destroy ANY Nation, merely because they are different. Do you have that much hatred for Kentraal, that you would kill innocent people in such a way? The world does not need a Nation like Sopdet within it.

[Rokk_Krinn]

So the people of Sopdet feel that any Nation who does not share the same narrow-minded views of their own, should be terminated? You had NO reason to invade Kentraal, other than your own bloodlust. You destroyed buildings that contained innocent people who perished in the blasts. Do you think that should be tolerated? Your views are not the same as everyone else in this world, and it is time you realised that. I caution Sopdet that if this action continues, many Nations will be forced to cease the attacks.

Sopdet is a Nation that says one thing, but does another. It is time to attend a summit, like The Velvet Sisters have proposed, and end their brutal actions. Even Utopia did not think it neccesary to destroy ANY Nation, merely because they are different. Do you have that much hatred for Kentraal, that you would kill innocent people in such a way? The world does not need a Nation like Sopdet within it.

It's a shame that your nation can't take the time to learn the facts...

...for example, it was not Sopdet that performed a military strike to free people; it was Gelifor.

Secondly, the only buildings struck were government buildings - innocent civilian casualties were essentially non-existant. Our point is to free a chained populace, not to slay it.

Once you fire your aids and get ones that provide you better details, perhaps then you'll be prepared to speak upon the world stage.

[Cronox]

At this point, the names are interchangable. Sopdet agrees with your brutal military activities, and is thus just as guilty as Gelifor is. In my mind, there is no difference between your two Nations. Also, Sopdet has appeared in the media so often, it is hard not to believe that it was Gelifor who performed this actions. I suppose I wasn't expecting such a Nation to do this, but you have.

Yes you targetted Government buildings, but then you admit the workers in those buildings are not important. Let this be evidence for the world to see, that Gelifor does not care about innocent death, as long as they accomplished their goals. The end justifies the means for Gelifor.

This is your warning Gelifor, and Sopdet for that matter. Cease these military actions at once. I don't want to have to warn you again.

[Rokk_Krinn]

So by your own arguement of interchangeable names, are you saying your nation is interchangeable with those that have totalitarian regimes that are crushing down the free-will and rights of citizens?

I'm more than willing to bleed if it releases people across the planet from the bonds of servitude inflicted on them by selfish rulers.

[Cronox]

So by your own arguement of interchangeable names, are you saying your nation is interchangeable with those that have totalitarian regimes that are crushing down the free-will and rights of citizens?

I'm more than willing to bleed if it releases people across the planet from the bonds of servitude inflicted on them by selfish rulers.
Your names are interchangable, because Sopdet agrees and supports your brutal military actions. No one else supports Gelifor, and no one will. That is why both of your Nations are being held accountable for just Gelifor's actions. Sopdet needs to agree with the Summit, to discuss further action against Gelifor. Only then will I not see both of your Nations as one.

As it is, you both have become a plague upon this world. You have become one body, a single entity of destruction and carnage. You are no longer seen as two Nations. There has also been no proof of your lies. Just because you are ignorant, and cannot see that one ruler is better for the people, you decide that we are the enemy. My people live in luxury, while your people are the military.

[Rokk_Krinn]

A gilded cage is still a cage. Why not give your people a taste of freedom and let them decide...or are you scared of what they would say?

Meanwhile, you're quick to neglect the information that Kentraal was seeking to enforce the Hive Mind upon other nations...but I'm sure you would agree that was alright, provided they siphoned money to you.

Did you forget that a military takes money? My people are quite content and well off; speak the forked tongue all you wish but I know they go to bed at night unscared of what government agent might be spying upon their words.

[d_knight7]

Still waiting on Theanalogkid...

[Jawapimp]

Meanwhile, you're quick to neglect the information that Kentraal was seeking to enforce the Hive Mind upon other nations...but I'm sure you would agree that was alright, provided they siphoned money to you.

Kentraal has never sought to control its people or the people of any other nation. What facts do you have to prove that we were so hellbent on making other nations our own? We value the power of the mind, we don't enslave it. I am glad at least some nations are rational enough to see that the attacks of Gelifor were misguided and unnecessary.

[Melkhor]

Your names are interchangable, because Sopdet agrees and supports your brutal military actions. No one else supports Gelifor, and no one will. That is why both of your Nations are being held accountable for just Gelifor's actions. Sopdet needs to agree with the Summit, to discuss further action against Gelifor. Only then will I not see both of your Nations as one.

As it is, you both have become a plague upon this world. You have become one body, a single entity of destruction and carnage. You are no longer seen as two Nations. There has also been no proof of your lies. Just because you are ignorant, and cannot see that one ruler is better for the people, you decide that we are the enemy. My people live in luxury, while your people are the military.

So you condemn Gelifor for acting against another nation due to "a difference in opinion" yet you would threaten Sopdet with violence and destruction merely because the Archduke does not share yours?

Though the expression in the native language of the Archduke is not easily translated, I believe it involves a pot, a kettle and their respective colours.

The Archduke is a man of peace and continues to be so. He is also a wise and just ruler who, when the truth is disputed, does not blindly support one side over the other. Gelifor claims Kentraal threaten to plunge the entire world into the grim darkness of ignorance and slavery and sought to prevent this. Kentraal protests their innocence in these charges.
As a civilised man leading a civilised nation the Archduke firmly believes in the due process of justice.

These events and accusations must be examined thoroughly, before any international action can take place. Anything less would be a gross afront to justice and rightousness.

Also, the Archduke has nothing but mildly amused contempt for those who cannot tell the difference between the Mighty Praetorian Guard of Gelifor, and his own Royal Guard, The Eternals of Sothis.
While the Archduke would be well within his rights to demand an official apology for such slanderous statements, he choses to waive said rights, mainly because the apology would no doubt end up being given to some other random nation instead.

[Cronox]

You may ask for an apology, but you would never recieve one.

Remembering either of your nation's names means nothing to me. For all I know you could be called "Violenceville" and I wouldn't care. At this point, both of your Nations are known as the "Plague". And when I refer to the "Plague" I am referring to both.

I also find your statements quite humourous, and the world can see the contradictions within them. You say that these actions should be examined thoroughly, yet Gelifor didn't seem to want an explanation, did they? They merely attacked Kentraal without any disregard for their people. And you are supporting them, thus you appear the attacks were valid. I know that at the summit I will not be discussing just Gelifor. In fact the Plague needs to be dealt with before it can spread any further.

And never did we say Utopia will threaten Sopdet with violence because they have different views than our own. That is Sopdet manipulation again, as we have seen countless times in the World News. I was merely saying that the right hand of the Devil, is still apart of him as a whole. Thus, you are endangering your people not because you disagree in opinion, but because it is not mere opinion that you have devoted. Mere opinion would leave you without judgement. You have declared your opinion that these war mongols are valid in their evil deeds. Thus it is your actions that we oppose.

[Melkhor]

You may ask for an apology, but you would never recieve one.

Remembering either of your nation's names means nothing to me. For all I know you could be called "Violenceville" and I wouldn't care. At this point, both of your Nations are known as the "Plague". And when I refer to the "Plague" I am referring to both.

I also find your statements quite humourous, and the world can see the contradictions within them. You say that these actions should be examined thoroughly, yet Gelifor didn't seem to want an explanation, did they? They merely attacked Kentraal without any disregard for their people. And you are supporting them, thus you appear the attacks were valid. I know that at the summit I will not be discussing just Gelifor. In fact the Plague needs to be dealt with before it can spread any further.

And never did we say Utopia will threaten Sopdet with violence because they have different views than our own. That is Sopdet manipulation again, as we have seen countless times in the World News. I was merely saying that the right hand of the Devil, is still apart of him as a whole. Thus, you are endangering your people not because you disagree in opinion, but because it is not mere opinion that you have devoted. Mere opinion would leave you without judgement. You have declared your opinion that these war mongols are valid in their evil deeds. Thus it is your actions that we oppose.

Though it would doubtlessly be a difficult task for one who cannot tell one country from another, or even remember the names of the participants on the international scene, I would ask that you back your slanderous statements and offer any kind of proof that the Archduke, and through him Sopdet, supported the military action that led to the brief Gelifor-Kentraal skirmish.

The subtle nuances of diplomatic language might be difficult to comprehend for the limited and willfully blind Utopian mind, but thankfully not all nations suffer from this sad and peculiar affliction.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I wouldn't let Utopia get to you too much my dearest Archduke. As we've seen, they've become so used to making people's decisions for them, they've raised a generation of people so ignorant that they can't even differentiate individual nations or remember that Gelifor -did- call for an investigation into Kentraal. Many people paid lip-service to it and then proceeded to do nothing, perhaps scared that the truth of their ally's plans would be spoiled and interrupt their own actions?

I suppose it's no great surprise that it's the Totalitarians that are condemning Human Rights.

[Antipathy]

Since Cronox is apparently quitting, and I was the only nation currently allied with him, I believe I should annex his country. :rolleyes:

[Jawapimp]

Since Cronox is apparently quitting, and I was the only nation currently allied with him, I believe I should annex his country. :rolleyes:

How do you know he is quitting?

[theanalogkid]

I did not see any quit in him.

[Rokk_Krinn]

He posted in another thread that he's leaving the Realms.

[Melkhor]

It's over in the "Complain about your mafia game not being open" thread as I recall.

[theanalogkid]

That's too bad if it true.

[d_knight7]

Firstly, sorry everyone for the big delay in play.

Back around the 20th my son came down with something like the flu on steroids. By the 22nd I was sick as a dog with it too. By the 26th my wife had it.

Christmas was not so much a time of giving and cheer as it was of mucus and vomit. The little tike alone was averaging throwing up 4 times a day, and lost a pound in weight from dehydration.

We're all starting to FINALLY shake this cursed thing now, but it's been a pretty miserable week and a half.


GAME STUFF:

1)
I'll have the moves up and start accepting new ones no later than Jan 1st. A nice new year for WWIII :p

2)
I'm going to PM Cronox to see if he's still up for playing. If not I'll make a post here advertising his place, first come first served. Please direct anyone you'd think would be good for it to the thread.


Merry Christmas and a happy New Year from the Illuminati!

[Melkhor]

*Checks date* So... anything going to happen soon? :)

[theanalogkid]

I hope you and yours are feeling better, d knight.

[d_knight7]

We're finally on the mend, thanks T.A.L.


Please welcome the new ruler of utopia, hellskingpin!

Antipathy: Your in box is full, please contact me when it's cleared so I can send your report!

It's a great stonking big news day, let the fur fly!

[Melkhor]

We're finally on the mend, thanks T.A.L.


Please welcome the new ruler of utopia, hellskingpin!

Antipathy: Your in box is full, please contact me when it's cleared so I can send your report!

It's a great stonking big news day, let the fur fly!

Praise the Guiding Light of the Divine for this most blessed news!

Also, out of respect for the customs of other nations, the Archduke would like to extend his best wishes to all nations and all mankind for this "New Year" that some, less enlightened, calenders have proclaimed.

[d_knight7]

The Illuminati speaks

Oh, anyone attending the Tribunal, I also need to know how much, if any, of your security force each nation brings along.

[DarkCorsair]

The nation of Akbeezlestan is pleased to learn of Gemaco's innocence in the recent trade scandals. Just as there are two sides to every coin, so are there two sides to every story.

The Guild of Commerce also extends its compliments to Terria on its fine work establishing an international summit. Perhaps now cooler heads will have a chance to prevail. You may expect the Guild of Commerce in attendance.

[d_knight7]

:devious: :devious: :devious: :devious: :devious: :devious: :devious: :devious:

[theanalogkid]

My condolences to the people of Sopdet.

[hellskingpin]

Every citizen of Sopdet is espionage scum.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Every citizen of Sopdet is espionage scum.

You say this after their holy leader was just assassinated? :noid:

[Antipathy]

Mispost. Sorry.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Mispost. Sorry.

He took over for Cronox.

[hellskingpin]

You say this after their holy leader was just assassinated? :noid:
No man is a god, even a leader.
I've had to kill spies of theirs for years now for coming into Utopia, and now they put spies in tribunals too?

[Rokk_Krinn]

No man is a god, even a leader.
I've had to kill spies of theirs for years now for coming into Utopia, and now they put spies in tribunals too?

I don't believe I referred to him as a god but a holy man and leader.

Are you saying though that you're the one who had him assassinated?

Does free-thought really threaten you people that much?

[Melkhor]

Effective immediately, the Sopdet delegation has withdrawn from the alleged "Peace Summit"!

No comments have been released about the condition of Archduke Alexandros, and no follow-up statements will be released to the press as of yet.

The High Council of Hierophants have declared Sopdet to be in a State of Emergency and Martial Law is expected to be enacted at moments notice.

All foreing nationals currently in Sopdet except those belonging to nations proven friendly to Sopdet are *strongly* advised to leave the country immediately!

[NurseFoxfire]

The Velvet Sisters and the entire nation of Terria mourn the outcome of this tribunal. We fear that the the actions of a militant few have caused a tear in the fabric of international harmony that may never be repaired.

Now more than ever, we urge our sister nations to work toward an international peace cooperative. The need for a multi-national oversight force is more apparent than ever.

We will also offer sanctuary to any citizen of Sopdet, and any visiting national who feels threatened by recent events. We do not take the comments of the Sopdetian High Council lightly, and open our doors to anyone who requires refuge.

[Rokk_Krinn]

The Velvet Sisters and the entire nation of Terria mourn the outcome of this tribunal. We fear that the the actions of a militant few have caused a tear in the fabric of international harmony that may never be repaired.


Yes, how nice to see that the "peace and sanctity" offered by the proceedings held by you - that were -your- responsibility to oversee - have seen an assassination against one of my closest friends.

Then you wonder why I got tired of waiting for people to offer help to the oppressed of Kentraal. You couldn't even protect world leaders who had gathered together for one of your much-vaunted tribunals.

[hellskingpin]

I don't believe I referred to him as a god but a holy man and leader.

Are you saying though that you're the one who had him assassinated?

Does free-thought really threaten you people that much?
I can assure you that the nation on Utopia is not behind this deed, but maybe with the new ruler in power less spies will be sent everywhere around the globe.

[NurseFoxfire]

Yes, how nice to see that the "peace and sanctity" offered by the proceedings held by you - that were -your- responsibility to oversee - have seen an assassination against one of my closest friends.

Then you wonder why I got tired of waiting for people to offer help to the oppressed of Kentraal. You couldn't even protect world leaders who had gathered together for one of your much-vaunted tribunals.

Lord Ringmarsh is laboring under the impression that Terria was responsible for the security and well-being of his friends. Every nation was requested to provide their own security, and to disclose how much (if any) they brought. With tensions stretched as tightly as they have been, entrusting one's safety to another nation was staggeringly ill-advised.

We wish no ill of anyone, however Gelifor and Sopdet should heed this unfortunate bloodshed as a strong warning. Someone obviously does not care for your methods of governing, or alliances.

[Rokk_Krinn]

We wish no ill of anyone, however Gelifor and Sopdet should heed this unfortunate bloodshed as a strong warning. Someone obviously does not care for your methods of governing, or alliances.

Ah, well, if bloodshed is considered to be a perfectly allowable form of warning now, I don't see any problem with what happened to Kentraal.

Thank you for clearing up that misconception for us as we obviously felt your nation was not full of hypocrites.

[Melkhor]

The High Council of Hierophants wishes it to be known that the blame for any loss of life in relation to the declared State of Emergency in Sopdet falls squarely on the fiendish assassin and his backers, and that the Vengeance of the Divine upon the heads of the guilty will be dreadful to behold, in this life and the next!

Also, the current state of health of His Holiness Archduke Alexandros is NOT a topic for the international media to turn a bloody profit on, and that any reporter who defies the clearly stated tenents of the State of Emergency has only himself to hold responsible for the just and swift retribution he will come to face.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I see now that the nations that oppress human rights have banded together in a Shackle of Tyranny. Working together to try and stop the liberation of their people through petty paperworks and bureacratic actions wasn't enough - Gelifor is more than capable of weathering such twittery - but they then used the "veil of peace" to try and assassinate someone. Say what you will about Gelifor, at least we are willing to be straight-forward in our battles of freedom. We don't use false pretenses such as the hypocrites that shed crocodile tears.

Let this serve as the sole warning that any nation found involved in the attempted murder of the Archduke will be dealt with as appropriate. I should also warn that the nations can pass all the petty "hurumphs!" they wish - Gelifor will not give financial aid to the dictators of Kentraal so they can further subjugate their people. Think of those matters guilty ones and try to rest your head at night knowing your time draws near.

[theanalogkid]

I have to concur with both Sopdet's and Gelifor's position. The Tribunal's threat of violence smacks of hypocricy. Violence only begins more violence.

[Jawapimp]

Say what you will about Gelifor, at least we are willing to be straight-forward in our battles of freedom. We don't use false pretenses such as the hypocrites that shed crocodile tears.

And yet you kill our people, destroy our ancient buildings, run smear campaigns against us... should I continue? Don't put yourself too high up on that pedestal, the thin air seems to be effecting your judgment. While you point fingers and wave your swords, the great nations of Kentraal and Utopia are seeking to not only better their own lands, but the entire world!

[d_knight7]

Dear Illuminati,

What's the advantages/disadvantages of all these treaties that we've been setting up?

-Tricky Treatyer


Well Tricky, if you have a trade or science treaty with a nation, your manufacturing/economy and science can be counted as higher than they actually are, to represent flow of foreign exchange. How much depends on the other nation.

If you're trading with a nation who's industry is a guy called Bob who makes stained glass from recycled coke bottles you're not going to get much benefit. Likewise a science deal with people who think mud is cutting edge isn't going to gain you much.

[NurseFoxfire]

I have to concur with both Sopdet's and Gelifor's position. The Tribunal's threat of violence smacks of hypocricy. Violence only begins more violence.


So you're suggesting that the peaceful nations of the world simply ignore Gelifor's violent military strike on Kentraal? Or on their war games held within the kingdom of Borderstan?

Violence does indeed beget violence, but one only has to look at the origins of this chain of events. It started with Gelifor's warlike military maneuvers. Who knows where it will end as long as they have lapdog nations who are willing to turn a blind eye to their actions?

[Rokk_Krinn]

Violence does indeed beget violence, but one only has to look at the origins of this chain of events. It started with Gelifor's warlike military maneuvers. Who knows where it will end as long as they have lapdog nations who are willing to turn a blind eye to their actions?

No, it began with Kentraal's human rights violations and your refusal to do anything about it. The matter -was- brought up and passed upon so we took it upon ourselves to send a message to Kentaal - via punishing those in charge - to end the suffering.

I'm still looking - by the way - for where it was said people should bring their guards. Surely if Sopdet had brought a protective regiment you would have complained about that. You called and hosted the Tribunal - the protection of the participants falls squarely upon your shoulders.

It seems to me that your nation is obsessed with not bearing responsibility.

[theanalogkid]

What "peaceful" nations were at the Tribunal? Surely you don't count Utopia among those number, who threatened my nation with violence unless we paid them what amounted to tribute. Where was the outcry over that?

[d_knight7]

Still waiting on Gemaco...

[Rokk_Krinn]

Still waiting on Gemaco...

Ironically, I think he forgot because he got sucked into playing NationStates. :laugh:


I say we boot him. :devious:

[Melkhor]

With such important lives (and world peace I guess) in the balance, how can we afford to wait? :)

[Antipathy]

I'm sorry guys. I'll send in the pm shortly.

[d_knight7]

Issue 16 of the World News Report is now up. I also had to edit a couple of small mistakes, so it's worth a second look at even if you've already seen it.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Just to make sure I understand this correctly...

...the way all of these human right oppressing nations that screamed at the use of force of arms now seek to push their will upon another nation is to do so via....well, a rather weak show of arms.

Meanwhile, what reparations have been made towards Sopdet for the failure of the host nation to protect a world leader? Perhaps it's time for another tribunal?

[theanalogkid]

A tribunal for what, Lord Ringmarsh? Even if the "peaceful" nations were to agree to something with us, we have seen how they fulfil their obligations. If they do have the stomach to do right, how can they be expected to act on it?

[Melkhor]

A tribunal for what, Lord Ringmarsh? Even if the "peaceful" nations were to agree to something with us, we have seen how they fulfil their obligations. If they do have the stomach to do right, how can they be expected to act on it?

The following is a brief statement from the High Council of Hierophants of Sopdet:

The glorious spirit of Divine Sutekh fills the Archduke with vitality beyond the ken of mortal man, and such is His boundless strength that no vessel of His shall be laid low by mortal hands. His Holiness Archduke Alexandros yet lives, and shall soon return to his throne stronger than ever!

End transmission!

[d_knight7]

Still waiting on Gelifor, Gemaco, Kentraal and Akbeezlestan.....

I really want to get out of the laggy posting trend folks, this is a daily game :cool:

[Rokk_Krinn]

I got out of the habit of sending to you within the same hour after I noticed the last phase took a week. :cheeky:

(Actually it's because I'm still at the hospital and writing something lengthy doesn't work so hot on the handheld. Sorry. :( )

[d_knight7]

I got out of the habit of sending to you within the same hour after I noticed the last phase took a week. :cheeky:

Well I won't get in to the specifics of that eternal turn, suffice to say though that's why I'm tightening up the turns.

All of you should be looking towards 24hr posting schedules (except weekends), just like a mafia game. If you need a few hours extra, or maybe a day because of something coming up, fine, but let me know.

It's been 22hrs since I called for PM's and half aren't in yet. My behind the scenes consists of chasing up some of you while the rest PM me with 'when is the next turn gonna start?'

This is not a rant or chew out session btw, just a wake up call. Late turns are going to end up not counting, it's simply not fair to me or your fellow players

/lecture :)

[theanalogkid]

The following is a brief statement from the High Council of Hierophants of Sopdet:

The glorious spirit of Divine Sutekh fills the Archduke with vitality beyond the ken of mortal man, and such is His boundless strength that no vessel of His shall be laid low by mortal hands. His Holiness Archduke Alexandros yet lives, and shall soon return to his throne stronger than ever!

End transmission!


This is glorious News! It is good to know that good still exists in the world.

[d_knight7]

Just waiting on Gemaco...

[Antipathy]

Just waiting on Gemaco...

Sorry. We were supposed return home on Monday around 7:00 AM from my grandmother's funeral in Virginia. However, my ride slept in late, so we left around 4:00 pm. :cheeky:

Then he decided we should stay at a hotel for the night, so we slept at a Hilton at Charleston, West Virginia. We then left around 12:30 the next day (he likes to sleep in). The only internet access I had all day was about 10 minutes at a Fed-ex Kinkos while my ride finished up his meal at a nearby restaurant. I was finally able to arrive home around 12-12:30. So sorry about the lateness. I would've been home on Monday if I was driving by myself.

[Melkhor]

The High Council of Hierophants of Sopdet would like to make another brief statement to the international community, but since we seem to be stuck in some form of stasis that is unfortunately not possible at the moment :)

[theanalogkid]

The High Council of Hierophants of Sopdet would like to make another brief statement to the international community, but since we seem to be stuck in some form of stasis that is unfortunately not possible at the moment :)


Hopefully, it is more good news about the Archduke condition. Or you caught the fiends responsible.

[d_knight7]

3 reasons for delay:

1) Waiting on a PM from a nation
2) Working out a complex 'event'
3) Llloonnggg phonecall with my dad. Ok, so my folks and brother join the funeral procession to bury my grandmother, and no sooner has the car pulled away, but my grandmothers friend who is traveling with them starts panicing and can't breath. My dad and the hearse driver do CPR, ambulance takes her away, not breathing. They get back from the funeral, find out she died. :surprised


Come hell or high water the moves are going up today though.

[Antipathy]

3 reasons for delay:

1) Waiting on a PM from a nation
2) Working out a complex 'event'
3) Llloonnggg phonecall with my dad. Ok, so my folks and brother join the funeral procession to bury my grandmother, and no sooner has the car pulled away, but my grandmothers friend who is traveling with them starts panicing and can't breath. My dad and the hearse driver do CPR, ambulance takes her away, not breathing. They get back from the funeral, find out she died. :surprised


Come hell or high water the moves are going up today though.

My condolences.

But my goodness, a double funeral. Wow. :cry:

[theanalogkid]

Good job, "peacekeeping" force.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Yep, I'm very impressed with what I've seen of the "peaceable nations" - they called forth a conference that ended with an assassination attempt on a leader, had their forces fire upon my border, etc.

They really are scared of the idea of nations that don't use oppression to silence the citizens.

[Melkhor]

Another brief message from the High Council of Hierophants.

As reported by internation media, the thrice-cursed assassin who attempted to commit murder most foul upon His Holiness Archduke Alexandros has been apprehended and given a full confession. Matters are currently being arranged with the government of Tinpotia to arrange for the trial to be held there (as the heinous crime took place on their soil), and thus by the Blessed Providence of the Divine shall the Light of Reason be brought to bear upon this evil deed so that the entire may world may bear witness to the vile evil of the country responsible!

End transmission!

[Rokk_Krinn]

Hmm...I can hardly say we didn't issue a warning of war.

Kentraal was told to stop oppressing its' people.

They fired on my troops during a supposed "peace-keeping action".

They attempted to assassinate the head of Sopdet and I'm fairly certain I said there would be retribution for that.

[Jawapimp]

Hmm...I can hardly say we didn't issue a warning of war.

Kentraal was told to stop oppressing its' people.

They fired on my troops during a supposed "peace-keeping action".

They attempted to assassinate the head of Sopdet and I'm fairly certain I said there would be retribution for that.

Again you make accusation based on no information. You have made your last insult, by crossing into my territory. Kentraal and many other nations have put up with your bully mentality for long enough. Consider this a declaration of war. Something your nation didn't have the fortitude to do.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Again you make accusation based on no information. You have made your last insult, by crossing into my territory. Kentraal and many other nations have put up with your bully mentality for long enough. Consider this a declaration of war. Something your nation didn't have the fortitude to do.

Sorry but I consider a statement of "There will be retribution for your assassination attempt", "If you don't free your people, we will do so." and, oh, yes, going into your country with armed forces a declaration of war.

Words are just words. We prefer action.

My last insult by the way? Where was your apology for your "peacekeeping" forces firign upon us?

Sickeningly pathetic. Consider your days numbered.

[Melkhor]

Again you make accusation based on no information. You have made your last insult, by crossing into my territory. Kentraal and many other nations have put up with your bully mentality for long enough. Consider this a declaration of war. Something your nation didn't have the fortitude to do.

A brief statement from the High Council of Hierophants:

No information other than the damning words of your own cowardly tool. The entire world witnessed the confession of the would-be assassin you forged into a craven weapon intended to claim the life of the Archduke, and the entire world will hear it yet again when he is put before a judge and has his day in court in Tinpotia. The Light of Justice will not be clouded by your deceit any longer.

End transmission!

[Rokk_Krinn]

I have to agree - I'm tired of people saying "No Information" when we have the culprit caught. What is "information"? A self-admittance from Kentraal that they've been despots sending out assassins and trying to use "peace-keeping" to kill people? If that does not count as information than we're rather ridiculous to keep "waiting" for some more.

[Antipathy]

*tap tap*

Is this mike on?

A short speech will be made in a few minutes.

[Antipathy]

Friends and loyal allies,

It is blatantly obvious that Gelifor is willing to cause war in order to take over another sovereign country, Kentraal. Their claims of attacking to free Kentraal's people is merely an excuse in order to sate the greed of their leaders.

I say we take a stand against this warmongering country. We cannot have have peace throughout the land until Gelifor and the nations who support them (Sopdet and Hynorbia) are gone.

I will be sending troops in the defense of Kentraal. Utopia, Terria, and Akbeezlestan, I hope you do the same.

Utopia, G/S/H have already made many derogatory comments towards your country. They do not respect you and they are willing to take you down in order to "free your people".

Terria, it is rather clear G/S/H does not care for your well-being. If you hadn't withdrawn your peacekeeping troops, you would've been fired upon! And that is not the mark of a friendly country.

Akbeezlestan, G/S/H has admittedly been more cordial to you than the rest of the countries. However, I can safely say it was one of them that disrupted our treaty negotiations. Who else would want to break the bonds between our two strong countries? Who else would have reason to fear an alliance besides the only other one in existence at that time, Sopdet and Gelifor?

It is important that we show the world that we are united against a common foe. We must take a stand in Kentraal.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Friends and loyal allies,

It is blatantly obvious that Gelifor is willing to cause war in order to take over another sovereign country, Kentraal. Their claims of attacking to free Kentraal's people is merely an excuse in order to sate the greed of their leaders.


This part is blatantly false. I've made my willingness to turn the leadership of the nation - after the current despotic regime are removed - over to the World Government. I have no desire to try and rule Kentraal but, rather, see the people make their own government while protected by the nations of this planet.

This is an act of liberation - and, admittedly, defense based upon Kentraal's continued attacks and assassination attempts - and not one of conquest. Gelifor will not attempt to rule the nation of Kentraal after it is free. We will give economic aid to it, we will help with rebuilding, etc but we will not rule and I ask the other nations of the World Union to do the same; together we can allow the Kentraalian people a chance to be free.

[Antipathy]

This part is blatantly false. I've made my willingness to turn the leadership of the nation - after the current despotic regime are removed - over to the World Government. I have no desire to try and rule Kentraal but, rather, see the people make their own government while protected by the nations of this planet.

This is an act of liberation - and, admittedly, defense based upon Kentraal's continued attacks and assassination attempts - and not one of conquest. Gelifor will not attempt to rule the nation of Kentraal after it is free. We will give economic aid to it, we will help with rebuilding, etc but we will not rule and I ask the other nations of the World Union to do the same; together we can allow the Kentraalian people a chance to be free.

But who will be the leaders of Kentraal? A puppet leader for G/S/H.

And what army will protect Kentraal? An army made up of G/S/H.

And what would giving economic aid mean? They will be in the debt of G/S/H.

And plus, you assume that Kentraalians are screaming for freedom? What if they aren't?

The Kentraalian people see you as conquerors, not saviors.

[Rokk_Krinn]

No, the World Union can lead until the people of Kentraal hold free elections.

The army should be composed of regiments from each nation, overseen by commanders from the World Union. Once Kentraal forms its' own army, the World Union can withdraw.

We would consider it a debt-free economic aid until such time as the World Union feels Kentraal is economically self-sufficient.

The Kentraalian government see us as invaders; the Kentraalian people want freedom as more than one individual in the street has cheered. Mind you, they're promptly executed by the Kentraalian secret police but that may have something to do with why we want to go in there.

[Rokk_Krinn]

In point of fact, I'm even willing to have Gelifor not have any sort of voting power regarding the World Union's overseeing of Kentraal. We will offer all the support required but we will neutralize our ability to be part of the decision making process.

[d_knight7]

Still waiting on Gemaco and Akbeezlestan...

[Antipathy]

No, the World Union can lead until the people of Kentraal hold free elections.

See, this is my biggest beef. You believe that your government is so superior to others that you want to forcefully implement in other countries. And this arrogance of yours strikes a nerve.

Right now Kentraal is hostile to you. However, if you defeat their forces, this will most likely ensure that the government of Kentraal is friendly to you.

This war is only to advance your national interests.

[Rokk_Krinn]

See, this is my biggest beef. You believe that your government is so superior to others that you want to forcefully implement in other countries. And this arrogance of yours strikes a nerve.

Right now Kentraal is hostile to you. However, if you defeat their forces, this will most likely ensure that the government of Kentraal is friendly to you.

This war is only to advance your national interests.

I don't believe my government is superior - that's why I say let the free people of Kentraal in coordination with the World Union - form their own government.

I just believe in Human Rights, Freedom from Oppression, not seeing a ruler abuse their power by choking the life out of the citizens, etc.

Simple things like that which I would hope all civilized individuals would agree any human being should have available.

At the very least, the people of Kentraal should have a choice. If they wish to reform a government where their every action and thought is controlled by another, so be it...but this one was forced down their throat.

[Melkhor]

A brief statement from the High Council of Hierophants:

In repsonse to the barrage of vile accusations leveled against Sopdet, we would call upon our accusers to produce but a scrap of evidence supporting their claims. Where are the soldiers of Sopdet involved in the current violence?
The army of Eternals stands ready to defend Gelifor against any foreign agressor, duty-bound by our treaties, but have taken NO place in any military action against other sovereign nations.

Despite the outlandish and despicable act of assassination Kentraal carried out against his Holiness the Archduke, not a single soldier of Sopdet has raised his weapons against the people of Kentraal.

End transmission!

[Jawapimp]

I find it odd that the G/S/H alliance continues to accuse Kentraal of the Archduke's assassination. No evidence has ever been brought forth accusing Kentraal of such actions, besides the evidence brought forth by the nations of G/S/H. Why anyone would want to take the life of such a prolific leader is beyond even our comprehension. It just doesn't make sense, it is illogical, and is therefore something that no Kentraalian wold ever do.

Let it be known that is continue to meddle with Kentraal you will only be awakening a sleeping giant. Our people are loyal and patriotic, and they choose to be that way. They will defend Kentraal to their deaths. Not because of some phantom mind control, but because they choose to. It is a shame such ignorance still exist in this world. This will be our last and final transmission until the present conflict is ended.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I find it odd that the G/S/H alliance continues to accuse Kentraal of the Archduke's assassination. No evidence has ever been brought forth accusing Kentraal of such actions, besides the evidence brought forth by the nations of G/S/H. Why anyone would want to take the life of such a prolific leader is beyond even our comprehension. It just doesn't make sense, it is illogical, and is therefore something that no Kentraalian wold ever do..

Hmm...pretty sure Tinpotia there finding the spy and turning him over may have something to do with that as well.

[Jawapimp]

Hmm...pretty sure Tinpotia there finding the spy and turning him over may have something to do with that as well.

He was an undercover agent looking for answers.

[Rokk_Krinn]

He was an undercover agent looking for answers.

By assassinating the leader of a foreign nation? :confused:

[NurseFoxfire]

We, the gentle people of Terria, commend the leaders of Gemaco and Utopia for their bravery in defending the helpless nation of Kentraal. War is never a good option, but in some cases it's the inevitable end to a bad situation.

This, my friends, IS a bad situation. Gelifor has carried out the military strike they were threatening to do, and it has resulted in bloodshed the likes of which has never been seen in the world. Many innocent Kentraalian lives have ended, thanks to one nation's overwhelming desire to crush its neighbors into oblivion.

Terria offers its meager help to the citizens of Kentraal. Although our army is small, we hope that we can assist in eradicating this scourge from their country, for once and for all.

[Rokk_Krinn]

We, the gentle people of Terria, commend the leaders of Gemaco and Utopia for their bravery in defending the helpless nation of Kentraal. War is never a good option, but in some cases it's the inevitable end to a bad situation.

This, my friends, IS a bad situation. Gelifor has carried out the military strike they were threatening to do, and it has resulted in bloodshed the likes of which has never been seen in the world. Many innocent Kentraalian lives have ended, thanks to one nation's overwhelming desire to crush its neighbors into oblivion.

Terria offers its meager help to the citizens of Kentraal. Although our army is small, we hope that we can assist in eradicating this scourge from their country, for once and for all.

This would never have happened if the peacekeeping forces hadn't fired upon my nation. What type of "peacekeeping" is that?

Oh, and there's that small matter of an assassination - with a proven Kentraalian behind it - against the leader of a foreign nation when Terria was supposed to be ensuring our safety, having called the summit.

Your hands are awash with blood already.

[Antipathy]

Where are the soldiers of Sopdet involved in the current violence?


Check out today's World Report. ;)

[Antipathy]

We, the gentle people of Terria, commend the leaders of Gemaco and Utopia for their bravery in defending the helpless nation of Kentraal. War is never a good option, but in some cases it's the inevitable end to a bad situation.

This, my friends, IS a bad situation. Gelifor has carried out the military strike they were threatening to do, and it has resulted in bloodshed the likes of which has never been seen in the world. Many innocent Kentraalian lives have ended, thanks to one nation's overwhelming desire to crush its neighbors into oblivion.

Terria offers its meager help to the citizens of Kentraal. Although our army is small, we hope that we can assist in eradicating this scourge from their country, for once and for all.

My thanks for your pledge of troops. It is heartwarming to see other nations support our actions.

[Jawapimp]

We, the gentle people of Terria, commend the leaders of Gemaco and Utopia for their bravery in defending the helpless nation of Kentraal. War is never a good option, but in some cases it's the inevitable end to a bad situation.

This, my friends, IS a bad situation. Gelifor has carried out the military strike they were threatening to do, and it has resulted in bloodshed the likes of which has never been seen in the world. Many innocent Kentraalian lives have ended, thanks to one nation's overwhelming desire to crush its neighbors into oblivion.

Terria offers its meager help to the citizens of Kentraal. Although our army is small, we hope that we can assist in eradicating this scourge from their country, for once and for all.

We appreciate your support, and are humbled by the modesty of the Terria people. These times are dark, and any hope can spread light.

[Rokk_Krinn]

We appreciate your support, and are humbled by the modesty of the Terria people. These times are dark, and any hope can spread light.

That's the same modesty that had them abandon you on the peacekeeping front before you attacked my nation, right? :cheeky:

[Melkhor]

Check out today's World Report. ;)

The High Council of Hierophants wonder if this is another case of a world leader being too ill-educated to tell different nations apart?

The World News report has NO mention of ANY soldiers of the Eternal army of Sopdet involved in the fighting in Kentraal AT ALL!

This is but another example of the sad and pathetic lies employed as chief weapons in the arsenal of the Enemies of Reason and Justice.

[Antipathy]

Sopdet’s depravity hits a new low

Regular readers may remember back several issues ago when we reported on Sopdet forcibly expelling citizens of Kentraalian descent if they did not agree to go to so called ‘reeducation camps’. Well, new evidence has been smuggled out of Sopdet, and it’s frankly repulsive.

We received pictures, films, recorded conversations and many other pieces of hard evidence about these camps, and rather than ‘reeducation’, ‘concentration’ comes more readily to mind.

The evidence shows evidence of neglect, malnutrition, brainwashing, rape and even systematic murder.

Sopdet truly is a blight upon civilization, these camps need to be closed, and its victims freed. It is surely the duty of every right and just nation to bring this atrocity to an end as soon as possible.

This is merely an extension of the current violence. Gelifor butchers Kentraalians in Kentraal. Sopdetians butchers Kentraalians in Sopdet.

[Antipathy]

Terria, what happened to your promise of troops?

[Melkhor]

If people can tear themselves away from the horrors of war and bloodshed (in which Sopdet is NOT participating), the Trial of the Century is scheduled to open in Tinpotia now.

Sopdet has most graciously extradited the assassin to Tinpotia so he may be tried for his crimes on the soil where they were commited, and so that the Truth of the ghastly events that led to today's regretable situation may be brought into the Light once and for all!

In other news, Archduke Alexandros, long may he reign, has recovered fully from his injuries and returned from his sojourn along the brink of the Duat stronger than ever before, following the glorious example of the Great Sutekh himself.

Archduke Alexandros sits upon the Golden Throne of Sopdet once again, and is ready to re-assume the monstrous burden of Leadership that the Divine has seen fit to place upon his shoulders with determination and zeal.

[theanalogkid]

If people can tear themselves away from the horrors of war and bloodshed (in which Sopdet is NOT participating), the Trial of the Century is scheduled to open in Tinpotia now.

Sopdet has most graciously extradited the assassin to Tinpotia so he may be tried for his crimes on the soil where they were commited, and so that the Truth of the ghastly events that led to today's regretable situation may be brought into the Light once and for all!

In other news, Archduke Alexandros, long may he reign, has recovered fully from his injuries and returned from his sojourn along the brink of the Duat stronger than ever before, following the glorious example of the Great Sutekh himself.

Archduke Alexandros sits upon the Golden Throne of Sopdet once again, and is ready to re-assume the monstrous burden of Leadership that the Divine has seen fit to place upon his shoulders with determination and zeal.


This is most excellent news.

[d_knight7]

Still waiting on Gelifor, Akbeezlestan and Kentraal...

[Antipathy]

Terria? Akbeezlestan?

Anything?

[theanalogkid]

Your allies deserting you should be taken as a sign.

[Melkhor]

The Divine works in mysterious ways, yet It never fails to reward those who uphold the virtues of punctuality and diligence.

[d_knight7]

Still waiting on Gelifor...

[Rokk_Krinn]

Sorry; though I had sent (been a bit of a crazy week). I'l get on that.

[d_knight7]

So, are you guys going to chat, or do I have to start dropping money from the sky? <Winks at hellskingpin ;) )

[hellskingpin]

I'm too busy training troops. War is hard!

[d_knight7]

"WAR, huh! What is it good for? Onlines games, say it again!"

[Antipathy]

I thank Akbeezlestan for the troops sent to my capital. In a time of war, any military contribution is happily accepted.

However, I must protest the trade treaty with Sopdet. Akbeezlestan, we are allies. Gemaco is willing to shed blood to defend your country. Why then are you arming our enemies?

Our mutual protection pact dictates that when one nation is attacked, the other will send troops to defend. Since I have been attacked by Hynorbia and Sopdet, we hope to see some Akbeezlestanian troops at the Kentraalian front.

[Antipathy]

Terria, what about your pledge to send troops for the defense of Kentraal?

[Antipathy]

Akbeezlestan? Terria?

Is this mike on?

[DarkCorsair]

Akbeezlestan? Terria?

Is this mike on?


My mike is working again. I think the people of Gemaco will be pleased with recent developments in Akbeezlestan's capital. That is all I will say on behalf of the Guild for now.

[NurseFoxfire]

The Velvet Sisters apologize for our prolonged absence from this discussion thread. We were recently stricken with a bout of tropical malaria, contracted from a trip to the tropics.

We are saddened by the continued strife ongoing in the world, and wish that peace would be restored posthaste.

We would also gently point out to the dear leaders of Gemaco that we stood almost virtually alone at the gates of Gelifor in an attempt to carry out the peacekeeping mission that was decided upon by a summit majority. We noticed a distinct lack of troops from Gemaco at that time, and as such, prudently decided to withdraw.

Since that time Terria has divested itself of much of our military, putting most of our resources into manufacturing and our economy. This is a direct result of our trade agreements with Gemaco and Azbeeklestan. As such, we cannot spare any part of our small army to assist in military skirmishes outside our borders. We hope in the future to rectify this situation, but in the meantime we trust that the able leaders of Gemaco, Kentraal, Utopia and Azbeeklestan will be able to carry out their military missions without our help.

We remain, as always,

The peaceful Velvet Sisters of Terria

[d_knight7]

Just waiting on Kentraal...

[Melkhor]

Well, at least we're not waiting for Godot... :)

[Jawapimp]

Just waiting on Kentraal...

I completely forgot! I'll get right on that. My apologies.

[d_knight7]

Ok, that turn HAS to get you guys gossiping, even if it's just to crow/count coup/wave a fist in defiance.

[hellskingpin]

What about wave hands in a victory parade?

[Antipathy]

I congratulate the soldiers of Gemaco, Utopia, Kentraal, and Akbeezlestan on their great victory today. They have defeated G/S/H on two fronts, and forced them to withdraw.

We must press this advantage. I believe that peace cannot reign throughout the land until the governments of G/S/H are deposed.

I propose an attack on Gelifor. However, I will not act unless I have the military support of my three allies.

Utopia, Kentraal, Akbeezlestan. Will you join me?

[Antipathy]

Is this mike on?

[hellskingpin]

I will assist you in disposing of Gelifor if the rest also do, otherwise my troops will still be on the front waiting for their next order.

[Antipathy]

Good to see that Utopia is willing.

[Antipathy]

I think moving all the Mafia threads to its own sub-forum hurt this thread. People won't view it as often. :p

[Antipathy]

I figure a few more bumps won't hurt anything.

[Antipathy]

Can we pm people only to check this thread? :p

[d_knight7]

I think moving all the Mafia threads to its own sub-forum hurt this thread. People won't view it as often. :p

This is my worry too, out of sight out of mind.

I'm sure it was meant to stop non-mafia games from getting buried, but what it actually did was divert the highway away from us and leave us to die.

[theanalogkid]

In a game where secretcy is king and communication between allies only happens via dknight and those talks are generally a day behind, what kind of discussion could happen on this thread?

[Antipathy]

So can we pm people just to check the thread?

[Antipathy]

Bump Bump Bump

[Antipathy]

Bump Bump Bump

[theanalogkid]

See what I mean? Anti just bumped the thread by saying bump without actually answering my question.

[Antipathy]

See what I mean? Anti just bumped the thread by saying bump without actually answering my question.

I thought your question was directed at d_knight.

You can play strategy with your allies that won't be a day behind on this thread. However, the drawback is everyone knows your plans.

[Antipathy]

Come on Akbeezlestan and Kentraal!

[Antipathy]

In hopes that DarkCorsair sees this thread.

[theanalogkid]

I thought your question was directed at d_knight.

You can play strategy with your allies that won't be a day behind on this thread. However, the drawback is everyone knows your plans.


It was directed ay everyone. Plus, with the war grinding on, it is hard to think of little else. Maybe some talk will happen once we all go back to our corners.

[DarkCorsair]

Unfortunately, I can't sustain a significant offensive at present. Mercenaries are expensive, and I have to have a little downtime before I can come out to play again.

[Antipathy]

Unfortunately, I can't sustain a significant offensive at present. Mercenaries are expensive, and I have to have a little downtime before I can come out to play again.

Could you contribute even a small force? Any military aid is welcome.

[Antipathy]

Oh, in case you don't know d_knight, Rokk is currently in the hospital.

[d_knight7]

Oh, in case you don't know d_knight, Rokk is currently in the hospital.

Nothing serious I hope?

Any idea how long for?