NationStates

[Antipathy]

Nationstates is a political simulation game where you run your own country. Once or twice a day you're presented with a problem, and a number of solutions. You choose one, and the next day it is implemented in your country. And that's pretty much all there is to it. It only takes about a minute or two out of your day.

The interesting part is seeing how your decisions affect your country. For example, you can check out my country (http://www.nationstates.net/antigony) which I've had for a couple of weeks.

If you want to play, go to www.nationstates.net (http://www.nationstates.net) and create your own country. Then if you want to join the region I've created for Realmers, go to my country, select "NationRealms", and click the button that says "Move Country X to NationRealms today!"

Hope to see you there.


40 Nations in our region

The Free Land of Antigony: Antipathy
The Rogue Nation of BackwardLand: Antipathy
The Commonwealth of Confed States: d_knight7
The Queendom of Guilexia: MSU
The Grand Duchy of Asstersonia: JackA
The Most Serene Republic of Ob-la-da: Rokk
The Borderlands of A Utopian Way of Life: Truffle Shuffle
The Kingdom of Scordrag: Kontrol
The Grand Duchy of Django-Reinhardt: hail_eris
The Most Serene Republic of Bjorkina Faso: hail_eris
The People's Republic of Magnificance: Magnito
The Empire of Thawmus: Thawmus
The Oppressed Peoples of Depression-ville: Thawmus' Momma
The Colony of Martian superioriety: YosiP
The Allied States of Snakes and Grass: DarkCorsair
The Dominion of Darius Dax: darius_dax1
The United Socialist States of Doom-Veria: DocDoom187
The Republic of Free-Alberta: The Vision
The Most Serene Republic of New-Stankonia: Jawapimp
The Empire of Legitimate Beings: Darkseid Sr.
The Constitutional Monarchy of Liberatos Kingdom: CarlosMucha
The Republic of Aztecalandia: vicious_x
The Holy Empire of Saralto: Doombot 3.1
The Empire of Anvilanian States: GroovyBoy
The Queendom of The Island Sodor: KitsuShel
The Oppressed Peoples of Iron Ham: Iron Ham
The United Socialist States of Malakovia: Malakim2099
The Dominion of CurBludgeon: CurBludgeon
The Nomadic Peoples of Bartonella: JKLantern
The Allied States of New Outremer: Maniac_nmt
The Oppressed Peoples of The Whims of Groovy: GroovyBoy

The Empire of Sunshine Happytime: ???
The Nomadic Peoples of Whray: ???
The Rogue Nation of Whateversland: ???
The Empire of Anvilanian States: ???
The Democratic States of Delagaia: ???
The People's Republic of Farmtopia: ???
The Empire of Drakwarld: ???
The Free Land of Honeyonia: ???
The United Socialist States of Emerald Destiny: ???
The United Socialist States of Mirrormasque: ???

[Antipathy]

And if you want to, you can adjust the number of issues per day by going to the settings tab.

Hermit
Hegemony
Dominator
Superpower
Power
Powerbroker
Eminence Grise
Enforcer
Dealmaker
Instigator
Contender
Negotiator
Auxiliary
Ambassador
Diplomat
Envoy
Duckspeaker
Handshaker
Truckler
Vassal
Minnow

Civil Rights

15 Frightening
14 Widely Abused
13 Excessive
12 World Benchmark
11 Superb
10 Excellent
9 Very Good
8 Good
7 Average
6 Below Average
5 Some
4 Few
3 Rare
2 Unheard Of
1 Outlawed

Economy:

15. Frightening
14. All Consuming
13. Powerhouse
12. Thriving
11. Very Strong
10. Strong
9. Good
8. Fair
7. Reasonable
6. Developing
5. Struggling
4. Weak
3. Fragile
2. Basket Case
1. Imploded

Political Freedoms
15. Corrupted
14. Widely Abused
13. Excessive
12. World Benchmark
11. Superb
10. Excellent
9. Very Good
8. Good
7. Average
6. Below Average
5. Some
4. Few
3. Rare
2. Unheard Of
1. Outlawed

[d_knight7]

A tip of the hat and a howdy from the Commonwealth of Confed States.

[MSU]

how do you move your country? I cannot find that button...

[MSU]

nevermind..found it.

The Queendom of Guilexia has joined NationRealms

What a surprise...my country has superb civil rights. And the UN calls us a lovefest for civil rights.

And we have crime...dammit!

[Rokk_Krinn]

I curse you for likely hooking me on a new thing. :)

[St. Cuthbert]

Jeez, I remember playing this game in high school (which is about 3 or 4 years ago now :) ). My nationstate was awesome, but I just can't recall it's name...

[YosiP]

Nationstates is a political simulation game where you run your own country. Once or twice a day you're presented with a problem, and a number of solutions. You choose one, and the next day it is implemented in your country. And that's pretty much all there is to it. It only takes about a minute or two out of your day.

The interesting part is seeing how your decisions affect your country. For example, you can check out my country (http://www.nationstates.net/antigony) which I've had for a couple of weeks.

If you want to play, go to www.nationstates.net (http://www.nationstates.net) and create your own country. Then if you want to join the region I've created for Realmers, go to my country, select "NationRealms", and click the button that says "Move Country X to NationRealms today!"

Hope to see you there.

I used to have one it was called New New New america I think.

[Antipathy]

Jeez, I remember playing this game in high school (which is about 3 or 4 years ago now :) ). My nationstate was awesome, but I just can't recall it's name...

I used to have one it was called New New New america I think.

Well then, create a new one and join! :)

So far we have

The Free Land of Antigony: Antipathy
The Commonwealth of Confed States: d_knight7
The Queendom of Guilexia: MSU
The Grand Duchy of Asstersonia: JackA

The Nomadic Peoples of Whray: ???
The Most Serene Republic of New-Stankonia: Sstralkowski???
The Most Serene Republic of Ob-la-da: ???
The Borderlands of A Utopian Way : hellskingpin???
The Kingdom of Scordrag: ???

[Rokk_Krinn]

I didn't expect Ob-la-da to be that puzzling to you Antipathy. :)

I mean Beatles and Doctor Who references alone prove I'm just a goobery fanboy. :laugh:

[kontrol]

The Kingdom of Scordrag: that's me.

[Truffle Shuffle]

Peace and tranquility is the ultimate way of life.

[Antipathy]

I really wish I could log into my nation right now.

Anyways, the issues you receive (anywhere from 1 per workday to two per day) all vary. The first issue "Should voting be compulsory" is what all nations get when they first sign up. But after that, people get different issues.

[Truffle Shuffle]

Why can't you log in?

[Antipathy]

The internet here blocks the site. And the proxy server I use only lets me view the site, not log in.

[Truffle Shuffle]

So let's discuss that issue, what everyone picked and what their outcome was. I went with the third option as it seemed to go with the theme of my nation the best I think. I guess if find out tomorrow how it affects my nation.

[Antipathy]

The Free Land of Antigony: Antipathy
The Commonwealth of Confed States: d_knight7
The Queendom of Guilexia: MSU
The Grand Duchy of Asstersonia: JackA
The Most Serene Republic of Ob-la-da: Rokk

The Nomadic Peoples of Whray: ???
The Most Serene Republic of New-Stankonia: Sstralkowski???
The Borderlands of A Utopian Way : hellskingpin???
The Kingdom of Scordrag: ???
The United Socialist States of Doom-Veria: ???

[Truffle Shuffle]

Here it is:

The Issue
In response to a slow news week, certain highbrow newspapers have stirred up the debate over voluntary vs compulsory voting.

The Debate
"Compulsory voting makes about as much as sense as having the death penalty for attempted suicide," says civil rights activist Hope Jefferson. "You can't force people to be free! You can only give them the choice. Besides, if all those derelicts who can't be bothered to get off their ### once every few years voted, who would they elect? I shudder to think."
[Accept]


"It's not contradictory at all," argues political commentator Naki Longbottom. "The fact is, if not everyone votes, the outcome isn't truly representative. Some groups--like elderly gun nuts--vote more often than others. That's why we always end up with such terrible politicians."
[Accept]


"This raises an interesting issue," says Beth Rifkin, your brother. "And that is: why do we need elections, anyway? Seems to me it would be much simpler if you just decided what was right, and did it. Wouldn't that save everyone a lot of time?"

[Antipathy]

So let's discuss that issue, what everyone picked and what their outcome was. I went with the third option as it seemed to go with the theme of my nation the best I think. I guess if find out tomorrow how it affects my nation.

The server updates at around 1-2 EST AM and 1-2 EST PM.

And I picked the first issue. Compulsory voting restricts the freedom to choose, which I feel is an important civil right.

[Truffle Shuffle]

The Free Land of Antigony: Antipathy
The Commonwealth of Confed States: d_knight7
The Queendom of Guilexia: MSU
The Grand Duchy of Asstersonia: JackA
The Most Serene Republic of Ob-la-da: Rokk

The Nomadic Peoples of Whray: ???
The Most Serene Republic of New-Stankonia: Sstralkowski???
The Borderlands of A Utopian Way : hellskingpin???
The Kingdom of Scordrag: ???
The United Socialist States of Doom-Veria: ???


Since you haven't seemed to catch on with all my peace and tranquility, I'm the Utopian Way

[Rokk_Krinn]

I chose the first option - that voting should be left to the individual to decide - on that issue. It created a small blurb about voting within my nation and I -think- it made a slight nudge on political freedoms.

My second issue was "divorce rate" for which I chose to support same-sex marriage; the result of that was that my civil rights improved (well, guess it depends on your stance/view) but I saw my taxes edge up a bit (and it's already fairly high). Interestingly, I think my crime rate may have been affected - it went from "virtually non-existent" to "relatively low".

My most recent issue has been on public nudity (which I chose against) but the result of that hasn't updated yet.

I've also applied for the UN.

[Antipathy]

Yeah, the effects of your choices are exaggerated. But that's one of the drawbacks of having a fairly easy to play system.

[kontrol]

The Kingdom of Scordrag: that's me.
*looks down to see if hands can go through solid objects* Do I stealth post or something?


Anyway, the first issue.

I went with completely up to the individual as forcing votes seems to me to be one or two step(s) away from fixing the election anyway.

I'll go look up my second issue in a bit.

[Truffle Shuffle]

I was going to chose the first, but I, like I said, I thought the third went with my theme. It will be interesting to see how it affects things.

My taxes are astronomically high.

Looking at the top 10 for the Largest Insurance Industry, it is interesting to see that most people have either 100% tax or income tax is unheard of. And Political Freedom is often outlawed or unheard of and Economy is frightening.

[Antipathy]

My apologizes Truffle and Kontrol.

[kontrol]

Current issue
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Too Much Yakking, Already, Say Delegation
The Issue

Some people say Scordrag's policy on free speech has gone too far.
The Debate

1. "These days, anyone says whatever they want with no regard to what kind of dribble is coming out of their mouths!" says angry commuter Larry Love. "It's gone too far. We should go back to the good old days, when if someone started talking garbage, we'd smack them one."

2. "We need more free speech, not less," argues civil rights campaigner May Utopia. "Free speech allows ideas to be explored, challenged, and discussed in a productive, open forum. It teaches our kids to be critical thinkers. And dirty words, of course, but that's just the price you pay."


3. "The right to free speech is a central tenet of our system of democracy," says religious leader Melbourne O'Bannon. "But surely the right to not have your religious beliefs mocked by others is worth something, too? We mustn't put up with intolerance!"

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[Rokk_Krinn]

I'm still trying to figure out if "Frightening" is good or bad, having looked at a few dossiers. I mean, is it "Frightening" as in "really poor economy" or "so good it's scary"?

Tried finding a glossary/explanation - also for Regional Influence - but so far no easy one other than scanning forums.

[kontrol]

I was going to chose the first, but I, like I said, I thought the third went with my theme. It will be interesting to see how it affects things.

My taxes are astronomically high.

Looking at the top 10 for the Largest Insurance Industry, it is interesting to see that most people have either 100% tax or income tax is unheard of. And Political Freedom is often outlawed or unheard of and Economy is frightening.
I was looking at that too. There is no way I'm going that route.

[kontrol]

Civil Rights:
Excellent
Economy:
Strong
Political Freedoms:
Superb

Current status.

[Antipathy]

I chose the third one for the above issue. Free speech needs some limits.

[Antipathy]

I'm still trying to figure out if "Frightening" is good or bad, having looked at a few dossiers. I mean, is it "Frightening" as in "really poor economy" or "so good it's scary"?

Tried finding a glossary/explanation - also for Regional Influence - but so far no easy one other than scanning forums.

I think Frightening is a good thing.

To me, the funniest rating is Basket Case. :laugh:

[Truffle Shuffle]

Ha ha, we'd smack them one. I like that. But I probably won't go with it when I get that issue. I think 2 would go with my laid back societal beliefs (those are beliefs in this forum, not in RL). I think it makes it more interesting to have an idea of what type of society you would like to have in mind and makes choices based on that.

[kontrol]

Yeah I see the issue and am like, well in some cases all of them work. So I have to think of what type of society I'm looking to build.

[MSU]

My largest industry is basket weaving, following my uranium mining and nuclear arms...

But hey, we got the best baskets!

I chose not forcing people to vote and same sex marriage (of course). Haven't gotten the other issue yet, but I will most likely be choosing the third one because free speech should have it's limits....it works both ways.

I am Superb in Civil Rights and Political Freedoms and Good in the economy. But apparently my government is corrupt and crime is a problem.

Ah well! At least those gays can get married!

By the way, I am in the UN...I sponoroed Antipathy right now to be the delegate.

[MSU]

I am following my real life beliefs for this turn around...i want to see what happens when I am allowed to control things. So I choose what I would like to see in my own RL.

[kontrol]

What would dismissing the issue cause? Has anybody done that yet? It may be an interesting exercise.

[Rokk_Krinn]

What would dismissing the issue cause? Has anybody done that yet? It may be an interesting exercise.

I've gone back and forth on wanting to dismiss an issue. Part of me wanted to dismiss when I felt an issue shouldn't be controlled by government decision - how to affect divorce rates (just because I support same-sex marriage doesn't mean I see that as affecting divorce rates other than to artificially lower them) - but worried that would count as "government laziness".

[kontrol]

I am following my real life beliefs for this turn around...i want to see what happens when I am allowed to control things. So I choose what I would like to see in my own RL.
I'm tempted to go that route. And there's still time as well, I have till 2 tonight or so to decide.

[darius_dax1]

I played this game last year. It was fun but it does get monotonous after awhile.

[Antipathy]

What would dismissing the issue cause? Has anybody done that yet? It may be an interesting exercise.

I've done that a couple of times when issues have come up with no good answer, or I don't know enough to choose (like one on breast feeding in public). Dismissing an issue does nothing to your country. It's like you never received the issue in the first place.

[kontrol]

I've gone back and forth on wanting to dismiss an issue. Part of me wanted to dismiss when I felt an issue shouldn't be controlled by government decision - how to affect divorce rates (just because I support same-sex marriage doesn't mean I see that as affecting divorce rates other than to artificially lower them) - but worried that would count as "government laziness".
That makes sense to a degree, but then we get into making sure rights are protected. Cause while we may feel that an issue is none of the government's business. There are some ignorant people that seemingly want to make it the government's business.

[Antipathy]

I'm tempted to go that route. And there's still time as well, I have till 2 tonight or so to decide.

Well, if you miss the server update it's no big deal. Issues stockpile until you reach 5. And then if you don't log in for 60 days, your country is deleted.

[Truffle Shuffle]

My Civil Rights are average. That has to be worked on. My economy is fragile, but I don't know yet how concerned my people are going to be about money. Political freedom is very good. I think it like that right there. Have it good, but not overly concerned about it. Working on the civil rights will be priority.

And funding for Religion and Spirituality will be needed. Goes with my theme. Free thinkers and all.

Crime is totally unknown. Cool.

[Truffle Shuffle]

I've done that a couple of times when issues have come up with no good answer, or I don't know enough to choose (like one on breast feeding in public). Dismissing an issue does nothing to your country. It's like you never received the issue in the first place.


Wow. I could get into a debate about that one, but I won't.

[Rokk_Krinn]

That makes sense to a degree, but then we get into making sure rights are protected. Cause while we may feel that an issue is none of the government's business. There are some ignorant people that seemingly want to make it the government's business.

I agree in the case of protecting a right but that wasn't an issue with the divorce rate topic. It was seriously just about "Our nation has too high of a divorce rate; what do we want to do about lowering it?". The options were: A - go ultra-conservative and make people stay married; B - make it so people have to call each other "darling" at least once a day; C - allow same-sex marriage so that there's more successful marriages out there, thus lowering the divorce number.

Now, had the issue been "Should we make marriage mandatory?" yeah, that's a government issue but the first of those two choices just seemed like it was trying to tempt you into being a more controlling government.

[Antipathy]

By the way, I am in the UN...I sponoroed Antipathy right now to be the delegate.

Thank you. Your loyalty will be richly rewarded. :grin:

[kontrol]

Wow. I could get into a debate about that one, but I won't.
Debate about what? The topic he dismissed or the fact that dismissing a topic has no effect?

[kontrol]

I agree in the case of protecting a right but that wasn't an issue with the divorce rate topic. It was seriously just about "Our nation has too high of a divorce rate; what do we want to do about lowering it?". The options were: A - go ultra-conservative and make people stay married; B - make it so people have to call each other "darling" at least once a day; C - allow same-sex marriage so that there's more successful marriages out there, thus lowering the divorce number.

Now, had the issue been "Should we make marriage mandatory?" yeah, that's a government issue but the first of those two choices just seemed like it was trying to tempt you into being a more controlling government.
I definitely see your dilemma with the dismissal. As I don't really care about the divorce rate.

[Antipathy]

Wow. I could get into a debate about that one, but I won't.

IIRC, the three choices were allow, don't allow, or just don't allow it at work.

I really didn't know which one to choose. I've only ever encountered this type of situation once, and the woman used some cloth to cover herself up.

I don't really mind breast feeding in public, but choosing to allow it gives you the blurb (paraphrased) "TV watchers are now distracted by newscasters breast feeding on air"

Honestly, that blurb probably influenced me to dismiss the issue. :laugh:

[Truffle Shuffle]

Being female, I'm sure I will have a definite opinion about the choices. And I'm sure I would feel strongly if someone chose a different route than I. Not that he dismissed it.

However, since this is not about RL belief and feelings for me, I will have to chose what I think is appropriate for my nation's ideals. That might be hard at times. It will be interesting.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Debate about what? The topic he dismissed or the fact that dismissing a topic has no effect?

I thought she meant about breast-feeding in public. *shrugs* Ah, the joys of politics when you can interpret any statement the way you want to see it, thus ensuring a candidate speaks to you. :laugh:

[Rokk_Krinn]

I don't really mind breast feeding in public, but choosing to allow it gives you the blurb (paraphrased) "TV watchers are now distracted by newscasters breast feeding on air"

Man, Carlos is so going to try and move to that country. :noid:

[kontrol]

I thought she meant about breast-feeding in public. *shrugs* Ah, the joys of politics when you can interpret any statement the way you want to see it, thus ensuring a candidate speaks to you. :laugh:
I just wanted to make sure. I thought that's what she meant as well, but then didn't want to assume as much since, the other thing was possible.

[JackAssterson]

Dismissing an issue just removes it from consideration. It has no effect on your nation.

[Antipathy]

And the flavor text for the third issue on breast feeding made it seem like male bosses were trying to force female employees to work harder for the sake of their pocket books.

I didn't think I should ban breast-feeding in public all-together, so I just chose to dismiss the issue.

[hail_eris]

The Grand Duchy of Django-Reinhardt (http://www.nationstates.net/django-reinhardt) has joined your merry collective. We're a young nation, but we enjoy relative affluence thanks to our book publishing industry and the massive collection of semi-legal Internet gambling sites that we host.

[Truffle Shuffle]

I had this whole explanation about breast feeding done, and then I realized - to much information. :p Let me just say that banning it in public would make it extremely inconvenient for a woman.

[Antipathy]

*shrug*

I don't think anybody would mind if you posted it. Your choice.

[kontrol]

Honestly, I don't think it's a big deal. I already know what my vote for that will be when it comes up. I knew it once I saw the questions and the choices.

[Magnito]

Of my countries motto doesn't give away which one it mine, then nothing will.

[Magnito]

I'll give you a hint. I merged the words magnificence with significance ;)

[Rokk_Krinn]

I actually felt your currency was the giveaway. :)

[Magnito]

yeah, well that too.

(I'm predictable. So sue me)

[Truffle Shuffle]

Usually women work out a schedule for feeding. The body becomes used to that schedule. When it's time to feed, the the breasts are full. At that time, if they are stimulated in some way, whether physically (brush against something), visually (see a baby) or emotionally (even thinking about your baby) can cause them to leak. Suppose a woman is somewhere where there is no private area. It can be embarrassing to have two big wet spots appear on your top. If you go long enough, it can become painful.

And men who can't get over catching a glimps of a woman's breast while breast feeding are perverts. The experience, for a woman, is so beyond the sexual that it borders on ridiculous. It's a bonding experience beyond compare.

[hail_eris]

I appreciate this piece of trivia:

New-Stankonia's national animal is the Squid, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests.

[Magnito]

Darn those land squid!

They are no match for my mighty gophers!

[Rokk_Krinn]

I appreciate this piece of trivia:

New-Stankonia's national animal is the Squid, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests.

You caught that too, eh? :)

I wanted to mock it but figured I should learn who had the country first (even though I know it's not his fault, it never hurts to taunt an innocent victim).

[hail_eris]

I wanted to mock it but figured I should learn who had the country first (even though I know it's not his fault, it never hurts to taunt an innocent victim).
Hey, I've got nothing but respect for the arboreal mollusks of New Stankonia. They help keep the flying shrimp population in check during those winter months when cocktail platters are in low demand.

[Thawmus]

The Empire of Thawmus has been formed.

"Force stupid people to think"

Our national animal is the Orc. :laugh:

[Darkseid Sr.]

The Empire of Legitimate Beings brings salutations.

[kontrol]

Hey, I've got nothing but respect for the arboreal mollusks of New Stankonia. They help keep the flying shrimp population in check during those winter months when cocktail platters are in low demand.
Honestly, who wants to mess with a country that has frolicking tree squid.

[YosiP]

I lot my old country so I had to make a new one, The Colony of Martian Superiorty is in NationRealms.

[Thawmus]

I really really REALLY wanted to be the Dictatorship of the Proletariat, but it just couldn't be done. :(

[Truffle Shuffle]

I can't log back into my nation. :( I've tried so many variations of A Utopian Way, I'm at a loss now.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I can't log back into my nation. :( I've tried so many variations of A Utopian Way, I'm at a loss now.

Do you need to put in the "of Life" after the first part?

[Antipathy]

A number of well-dressed gentlemen wearing a varied assortment of swords is insisting that they be allowed to settle their private disputes on the field of honourable battle.

1. "We must be permitted our inherent right to defend our honour through feats of arms!" exclaims Jean-Paul Jones, a bewigged aristocrat sporting a particularly flamboyant swept-hilt rapier. "The right to duel is one found throughout history for the honourable settling of disputes and I must insist that my right to fight be recognised! The world would be so much better - and cheaper too - if conflicts of interest were sorted through trial by combat instead of trial by jury."


2. "Swords? Heavens, what dreadful things. All sharp and pointy - quite dangerous, you know," says Beth Hamilton, an ardent pacifist. "Duelling ought to be banned! The best way to settle these kind of arguments are through trials, we all know that. If we go ahead with what these duelling nutters want then innocent people will die! It will be a sad day when people value money more than justice. Apart from lawyers, obviously."

I chose the second one. I don't thinking dueling is too wise.

Citizens all over Antigony have been petitioning for firmer action on public graffiti.

1. "It's a disgrace!" declares Jean-Paul Licorish, middle class and proud of it. "I can't even go downtown without seeing these hideous eyesores debasing the streets! We need to arrest the scumbags at the root of this, lock them up, and teach them a jolly good lesson! More policemen on the beat should do the ticket, even if it does require a slight augmentation in taxes!"

2. "I don't see what's so bad," comments Violet Winters, a famous art critic. "This is urban art at its finest. It's vibrant, colourful, and simply reeks of culture! Just look at the form displayed in this string of racist expletives! Wonderful. Simply wonderful. I think we should really be encouraging these budding Rembrandts, not putting them down! I say we legalise it, in the name of culture!"

Chose the first one. Calling a string of racist expletives wonderful? Seriously? :cheeky:

[Truffle Shuffle]

Do you need to put in the "of Life" after the first part?

I forgot that was there. I was going by what was listed on this thead. I will try.

[Truffle Shuffle]

Yes. That worked. Thank you. If I had known that would be what was needed to login, I would have picked a shorter name!

[Antipathy]

So here are the rankings:

Hermit
Hegemony
Dominator
Superpower
Power
Powerbroker
Eminence Grise
Enforcer
Dealmaker
Instigator
Contender
Negotiator
Auxiliary
Ambassador
Diplomat
Envoy
Duckspeaker
Handshaker
Truckler
Vassal
Minnow

[Thawmus]

So here are the rankings:

Hermit
Hegemony
Dominator
Superpower
Power
Powerbroker
Eminence Grise
Enforcer
Dealmaker
Instigator
Contender
Negotiator
Auxiliary
Ambassador
Diplomat
Envoy
Duckspeaker
Handshaker
Truckler
Vassal
Minnow

Given my military service ability, and my class of "Minnow".....I have a bad feeling about how I'm supposed to go about this..... :ermm:

I think I'm going to have to expand our region as a whole, in order to maintain a healthy relationship with our neighbors. :)


Also, I advise you all take a look at this nation. Especially the bit about their national animal. It's quite hilarious. :laugh:

The Imperial Corporate Republic of Neo-Industria


They happen to be at the top of the Insurance list for the World, so they're not hard to find.

[Antipathy]

Civil Rights

15 Frightening
14 Widely Abused
13 Excessive
12 World Benchmark
11 Superb
10 Excellent
9 Very Good
8 Good
7 Average
6 Below Average
5 Some
4 Few
3 Rare
2 Unheard Of
1 Outlawed

Economy:

15. Frightening
14. All Consuming
13. Powerhouse
12. Thriving
11. Very Strong
10. Strong
9. Good
8. Fair
7. Reasonable
6. Developing
5. Struggling
4. Weak
3. Fragile
2. Basket Case
1. Imploded

Political Freedoms
15. Corrupted
14. Widely Abused
13. Excessive
12. World Benchmark
11. Superb
10. Excellent
9. Very Good
8. Good
7. Average
6. Below Average
5. Some
4. Few
3. Rare
2. Unheard Of
1. Outlawed

Looks like my country is 9's across the board.

[kontrol]

Civil Rights

15 Frightening
14 Widely Abused
13 Excessive
12 World Benchmark
11 Superb
10 Excellent
9 Very Good
8 Good
7 Average
6 Below Average
5 Some
4 Few
3 Rare
2 Unheard Of
1 Outlawed

Where'd you find this?

[Antipathy]

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/

Nationstates Wiki :)

[DarkCorsair]

Submitted for your approval is the highly trustworthy and honest Allied States of Snakes and Grass.

[Antipathy]

The Allied States of Snakes and Grass

"Integrity, Trust, Honor"

UN Category: Psychotic Dictatorship

Now that is funny. :laugh:

[Thawmus]

I couldn't help it.

I run two countries, and my policies for each are going to be quite different.

My other country is:

http://www.nationstates.net/depression-ville

:laugh:

[DarkCorsair]

The Allied States of Snakes and Grass

"Integrity, Trust, Honor"

UN Category: Psychotic Dictatorship

Now that is funny. :laugh:

I figured I could have some fun with it. I also tied my animal in with my currency rather neatly.

[Truffle Shuffle]

I couldn't help it.

I run two countries, and my policies for each are going to be quite different.

My other country is:

http://www.nationstates.net/depression-ville

:laugh:

Love the flag!:laugh:

[Truffle Shuffle]

Damn Darius Dax. Currency is the soul?

[Thawmus]

Love the flag!:laugh:

Me too, I think it says everything. :laugh:

[Antipathy]

How did you guys create your own flags?

[DarkCorsair]

On the settings menu, under your flag, there's a link to create your own

[Doombot 3.1]

The Holy Empire of Saralto has arrived in the region, and we are open for business.

[DocDoom187]

I thought you'd all appreciate this issue I just received.

The Issue

In a bid to provide a new revenue stream for Doom-veria's Beef-Based Agriculture industry, it has been suggested that Doombots could be added to the menu.
The Debate

1. "The fact is, the Doombot population is out of control," says Beef-Based Agriculture spokesperson Konrad Gutenberg. "We have to do something about them anyway, so why not market them as tasty snacks? We could have Doombot kebabs, Doombot pies, Doombot-on-a-sticks--the possibilities are endless! Let's not pass up this golden opportunity to provide a feast, if you will, for our economy."
[Accept]

2. "I agree that something needs to be done about Doombot over-population," says random passer-by Pete Rifkin, "but eating them? That's kind of gross. Let's just shoot the ones we have to and shovel their bodies into ditches like normal."
[Accept]

3. "I am shocked and appalled!" declared SPCA President Johann Licorish. "If anyone needs to be culled, it's us humans. The Doombots were here first, remember? We need to take this as a sign to get our industry--agriculture in particular--to back off. The Doombot is part of what makes Doom-veria a great nation!"
[Accept]

[Doombot 3.1]

Man, I just got some lame issue about social inequality.

[DocDoom187]

I voted we kill and eat the Doombots!

Over population is a problem, and it helps our economy. Plus we can use their Hide for Armor!!!

[Magnito]

Anyone else get the question about bulldozing the rain forest to mine Uranium?

[DocDoom187]

Puh-lease. I'm far to busy dealing with my large population of Doombots, for my meat industry. :p

[DocDoom187]

I'm willing to export Doombot meat, hide, and bi-product.

:p

[kontrol]

Scodrag's Current issue

The Issue

A group of emergency room doctors has petitioned the government to introduce mandatory organ donations.
The Debate

1. "It's not as crazy as it sounds," says Dr. Naki Dredd. "Every day, people die because we don't have the organs to save them. Well, that and widespread under-funding of the health system. But the point is, if the government allowed us to take organs from dead people, we could save hundreds of lives a year. And come on, it's not like dead people need them."
[Accept]

2. "You keep your damn hands off my organs!" says alarmed hospital patient Akira O'Bannon. "They are my organs, and I'll do with them what I like. The government has no right to my body."
[Accept]

[Thawmus]

Both of my nations had the Nazi protester issue.

The option I wanted wasn't there.

The Issue

Far-right-wing Nazi supporters plan to stage a rally in the city center tomorrow, giving voice to their violent, racist views.

The Debate

1. "Frankly, I'm appalled that the government can even consider allowing this travesty to go ahead," says prominent Jewish personality Calvin Thiesen. "We can't let these animals broadcast their message of hate. Surely Thawmus is too civilized for that."

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.

2. "It's exactly because we're civilized that we must let the demonstration proceed," says free speech campaigner Roxanne Steele. "We may not like what they have to say, but in this society, people have the right to argue whatever political view they want, no matter how hateful, selfish, or stupid it is."
[Accept]


Here's the option I was hoping for:

3. You want to give out a message of hate? Okay, sure. No problem. Just be warned, if there's any violence whatsoever, our state-sanctioned sniper on the neighboring rooftop will be given a green light. So watch your ###! :laugh:

[Thawmus]

Scodrag's Current issue

The Issue

A group of emergency room doctors has petitioned the government to introduce mandatory organ donations.
The Debate

1. "It's not as crazy as it sounds," says Dr. Naki Dredd. "Every day, people die because we don't have the organs to save them. Well, that and widespread under-funding of the health system. But the point is, if the government allowed us to take organs from dead people, we could save hundreds of lives a year. And come on, it's not like dead people need them."
[Accept]

2. "You keep your damn hands off my organs!" says alarmed hospital patient Akira O'Bannon. "They are my organs, and I'll do with them what I like. The government has no right to my body."
[Accept]

*sigh*, they didn't represent option 2 very well, there. The other reason you wouldn't want it mandatory, is because you don't want to make doctors greedy for that ToD calling. We've all heard horror stories about organ donors given up on, so that their organs can be harvested. It's a scary concern for a lot of people.



That being said, it's a cool issue. A lot better than whether or not I should stamp out the Nazis..... :(

[DocDoom187]

I think a Doombot population problem is clearly the best issue out there.

[kontrol]

*sigh*, they didn't represent option 2 very well, there. The other reason you wouldn't want it mandatory, is because you don't want to make doctors greedy for that ToD calling. We've all heard horror stories about organ donors given up on, so that their organs can be harvested. It's a scary concern for a lot of people.



That being said, it's a cool issue. A lot better than whether or not I should stamp out the Nazis..... :(
I know, but it's still pretty much a no-brainer for me. Option 2. There should be a more sensible argument but really mandatory organ donations? No thanks.

[Thawmus]

I think a Doombot population problem is clearly the best issue out there.

Oh, there's no doubt about it.

I shudder to think of the day when we get to make a similar stance over the Orcs in our country. :noid:

[DocDoom187]

KILL THE ORCS!!

KILL KILL KILL!

However you'll never have that issue as your main industry isn't Meat and stuff.

[Thawmus]

KILL THE ORCS!!

KILL KILL KILL!

However you'll never have that issue as your main industry isn't Meat and stuff.

Well, if we get that issue, I'll likely take the stance of allowing them to live among us, and not impede them. After all, they could be extremely useful in our rapidly growing military. ;)

[Rokk_Krinn]

*sigh*, they didn't represent option 2 very well, there. The other reason you wouldn't want it mandatory, is because you don't want to make doctors greedy for that ToD calling. We've all heard horror stories about organ donors given up on, so that their organs can be harvested. It's a scary concern for a lot of people.


It is a scary concern but it's like "the mad slasher stalking Lover's Lane"-story: maybe not entirely an urban legend as it started somewhere and has copycats but far rarer than people realize. Yes, there have been some cases where that's happened but, frankly, the truth is you're more likely to see the opposite happening: emergency personnel working like mad to keep the organ donor in happy and healthy situation so his organs stay good (though, frankly, I know next to no one that treats a patient differently just because of organ donor status - the only reason to check is so that if a situation is unsalvageable you don't fail to perform the donor's wishes). I know my saying that pretty much means nada but I had to say something anyway. :)

The issue I got was:

The Issue
A well-heeled lobby group is pushing for the elimination of regulations that prevent corporations from donating money to political parties.

The Debate
"This is supposed to be a democratic country," Door-to-door Insurance Sales industry spokesperson Buffy Li says. "Yet these archaic laws say I can't donate money to support a political party. They put ceilings on the amount any party can spend on advertising. It's time to stop treating voters like children, and trust them to make up their own minds. Free the ballot box!"

"You say political freedom, I hear vote-buying," says popular anarchist Konrad Jones. "If these fat cats get their way, politicians will buy their own seat in Congress. And let's face it, a slick advertising campaign can convince a lot of apathetic voters. We need to tighten the laws, not repeal them. Money should have no place in politics!"

"Frankly, I don't see why we need to have elections at all," says your brother, Buy du Pont, over a late-night malt whiskey. "You always seem to know what's best. Why not scrap the whole political system? It would make things so much simpler."


Speaking of issues, how would people like the UN Delegates to vote on the current matter?

[kontrol]

Seems like our brother would like us to be a dictatorship. That's the third time I've seen him say something to that effect.

[Antipathy]

Seems like our brother would like us to be a dictatorship. That's the third time I've seen him say something to that effect.

Um, is this a mispost?

[Doombot 3.1]

Here's my issue:

The Issue
Commentators have warned that Saralto's social inequalities threaten to make it an international pariah.

The Debate
"Look, I don't like it either," said Chamber of Commerce spokesperson Miranda Clinton. "Just on the way here, I had to step over three homeless people, and one of my shoes got caught on a beggar. But inequality is the price we pay for economic strength. If anything, we need fewer taxes, so those of us who are well-off can afford to be more generous. If we want to, that is."
[Accept]


"I think we've forgotten what economic strength is all about," says social worker Clint Dredd. "The economy is meant to be a means to a high standard of living, not an end in itself. It's become an excuse for the rich to prosper while the poor fall through the cracks. Not everyone is poor because they don't feel like working. We must provide more welfare."
[Accept]


"Who says we're an international pariah?" demands military honcho Hope Jong-Il. "What are their names? If that's the way the international community feels, we obviously need to prepare for war."
[Accept]

[kontrol]

Um, is this a mispost?
No

"Frankly, I don't see why we need to have elections at all," says your brother, Buy du Pont, over a late-night malt whiskey. "You always seem to know what's best. Why not scrap the whole political system? It would make things so much simpler."

I've seen the brother character say something like this twice before.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Apparently we also have a lot of brothers too as I've seen him have multiple names....including a woman's name at one point. :noid: :laugh:

[hail_eris]

Buy du Pont
I swear that guy sent me an email about Viagra at "EXCELENT PHARM PRICE$" last week.

[Thawmus]

It is a scary concern but it's like "the mad slasher stalking Lover's Lane"-story: maybe not entirely an urban legend as it started somewhere and has copycats but far rarer than people realize. Yes, there have been some cases where that's happened but, frankly, the truth is you're more likely to see the opposite happening: emergency personnel working like mad to keep the organ donor in happy and healthy situation so his organs stay good (though, frankly, I know next to no one that treats a patient differently just because of organ donor status - the only reason to check is so that if a situation is unsalvageable you don't fail to perform the donor's wishes). I know my saying that pretty much means nada but I had to say something anyway. :)

Nada? Criminey, I'd have to be a complete idiot to think I had a better idea on the matter than you did, Rokk..... :surprised

Rather, I found this to be rather enlightening. :)

Speaking of issues, how would people like the UN Delegates to vote on the current matter?

I posted in our regional discussion, that I'd prefer if we all voted for it. Whether you're for the UN demanding Health Care or not, the old law was convoluted and awful, and was then repealed, but is still intact. So basically, it's a toothless sheet of useless paper.

So, either vote for it because it's a waste, so that we can then actually come to an agreement on a worthwhile resolution on the matter at a later date, vote for it because you want RBH stricken from the books entirely, or vote for it because you want RBH reinstated as it should be.

I think the choice is rather obvious. ;)

[Thawmus]

I should also note that there is a proposal that reached the approval necessary to be moved to voting: Carbon Unit Trading


I would of course advise that everyone look it over when they get a chance, as it'll likely be up for a vote either today or tomorrow.

[hail_eris]

The Queendom of The Island Sodor is a tiny, pleasant nation, remarkable for its barren, inhospitable landscape.

You know, tiny, pleasant, barren, and inhospitable describes a good many of the queens I know...

[Truffle Shuffle]

So choosing the third option on the first issue brought my political freedom down to below average. However I went from Ambassador to Deal Maker.

The Issue
Last night the respected tabloid TV show "60 Minutes" ran a report on A Utopian Way of Life's rising divorce rate. What is happening to the nuclear family?

The Debate
"There's a simple solution," says Pastor Felix, of the Catholic Church. "Divorce should be illegal. 'For better or worse,' anyone remember how that goes? We should return to the good old days, when you got married for life and stuck by your partner no matter how much of a drunken, abusive, adulterating disappointment they turned out to be."
[Accept]

John Black, author of the hit book, 'Men are from Mars, Women are from Some Whole Other Place,' has a simpler solution. "If couples would just call each other 'darling' once in a while, there would be far fewer relationship breakdowns. A little affection is all it takes. So the government should make it mandatory: call your spouse 'darling' at least once a day, or face a fine."
[Accept]

"There's a simple way to boost the marriage rate," says gay rights activist Klaus Wu. "Abolish those arcane laws that discriminate against same-sex marriages. It's obscene to treat people differently because of their sexual preference. Besides, everyone knows gay relationships are more stable than straight ones."

I chose the third one.

[kontrol]

Civil Rights:
Very Good
Economy:
Strong
Political Freedoms:
Superb

My civil rights took a hit when I said we should still protect religious expression. Well if the answer you want isn't there you have to take what you can get, I guess.

Wonder what'll happen with my new one.

[Thawmus]

So choosing the third option on the first issue brought my political freedom down to below average. However I went from Ambassador to Deal Maker.



I chose the third one.

You know, I'm more than just a little conflicted on the Real World same-sex marriage issue, but criminey, those other two choices were.....what the hell??? :ermm:

[kontrol]

You know, I'm more than just a little conflicted on the Real World same-sex marriage issue, but criminey, those other two choices were.....what the hell??? :ermm:
you can always choose to dismiss it.

[Thawmus]

Empire of Thawmus:

Civil Rights:
Some

Economy:
Fair

Political Freedoms:
Good

The Oppressed Peoples of Depression-ville:

Civil Rights:
Unheard Of

Economy:
Reasonable

Political Freedoms:
Outlawed

[CarlosMucha]

I'm soo temted to run my own country....

[Doombot 3.1]

The Holy Empire of Saralto

UN Category: Corporate Bordello
Civil Rights:Some
Economy:Powerhouse
Political Freedoms:Excellent

Regional Influence: Minnow


The Holy Empire of Saralto is a tiny, economically powerful nation, notable for its barren, inhospitable landscape. Its hard-nosed, hard-working, intelligent population of 6 million are effectively ruled by a group of massive corporations, who run for political office and provide their well-off citizens with world-class goods and services. Their poorer citizens, however, are mostly starving to death while being urged to go out and get real jobs. The populace has reasonably extensive civil rights, although these are mostly aimed at allowing them to buy whatever they like.

There is no government in the normal sense of the word; however, a small group of community-minded, pro-business individuals is mainly concerned with Law & Order, although Commerce and Defence are on the agenda. Income tax is unheard of. A powerhouse of a private sector is led by the Soda Sales, Door-to-door Insurance Sales, and Gambling industries.

Voting is voluntary. Crime is a serious problem. Saralto's national animal is the dragon, which teeters on the brink of extinction due to widespread deforestation, and its currency is the wooster.

[kontrol]

I'm soo temted to run my own country....
then go in and do it. We won't war with you...yet.

[Thawmus]

you can always choose to dismiss it.

Yeah, but that means you go for another day without modifying your nation a little bit. ;)



By the way, has anyone else considered how funny it would be if they made a game like this, and it ended up being an "Ender's Game" scenario? :laugh:

[Antipathy]

You know, I'm more than just a little conflicted on the Real World same-sex marriage issue, but criminey, those other two choices were.....what the hell??? :ermm:

Exactly! It's like they want you to legalize same sex marriages. I think same sex marriages should be legalized regardless, but for those that don't I think there should be a choice like: "Government will sponsor free marriage counseling"

[CarlosMucha]

question: my country MUST be a republic??

[Antipathy]

It's a drop down menu Carlos. You can change the name to whatever you want.

[kontrol]

question: my country MUST be a republic??
No you should be able to just do a drop down and choose from there. I'm a Kingdom, MSU has a Queendom.

[CarlosMucha]

Ok. were I can se what exactly is each option (republic, Kingdom, etc. or I just have to try. I ask this because maybe I can find my perfect place! :p )

[CarlosMucha]

No you should be able to just do a drop down and choose from there. I'm a Kingdom, MSU has a Queendom.


I think I will choise Kingdom as well.

what is National "Currency"? :ermm:

[Truffle Shuffle]

Anti, can you put these in the first or second post?

So here are the rankings:

Hermit
Hegemony
Dominator
Superpower
Power
Powerbroker
Eminence Grise
Enforcer
Dealmaker
Instigator
Contender
Negotiator
Auxiliary
Ambassador
Diplomat
Envoy
Duckspeaker
Handshaker
Truckler
Vassal
Minnow

Civil Rights

15 Frightening
14 Widely Abused
13 Excessive
12 World Benchmark
11 Superb
10 Excellent
9 Very Good
8 Good
7 Average
6 Below Average
5 Some
4 Few
3 Rare
2 Unheard Of
1 Outlawed

Economy:

15. Frightening
14. All Consuming
13. Powerhouse
12. Thriving
11. Very Strong
10. Strong
9. Good
8. Fair
7. Reasonable
6. Developing
5. Struggling
4. Weak
3. Fragile
2. Basket Case
1. Imploded

Political Freedoms
15. Corrupted
14. Widely Abused
13. Excessive
12. World Benchmark
11. Superb
10. Excellent
9. Very Good
8. Good
7. Average
6. Below Average
5. Some
4. Few
3. Rare
2. Unheard Of
1. Outlawed

[Rokk_Krinn]

I ask this because maybe I can find my perfect place! :p )

I'm not sure you have the option of choosing "Little Lindsay's Pre-School and English Gymnasium of Oscar Meyerland"

[Truffle Shuffle]

I think I will choise Kingdom as well.

what is National "Currency"? :ermm:

What type of money such as dollar or pound. Ours are all made up. Some are funny.

[Thawmus]

I think I will choise Kingdom as well.

what is National "Currency"? :ermm:

Dollars, pesos, libra, euros, that sort of thing.

[kontrol]

What type of money such as dollar or pound. Ours are all made up. Some are funny.
Yeah, I think Dax uses the Soul, one of Thawmus' is depression, I think MSU is trading in lesbians now.

[Thawmus]

I'm not sure you have the option of choosing "Little Lindsay's Pre-School and English Gymnasium of Oscar Meyerland"

:laugh: Oh my God, Rokk, that's......

The tears are streaming down my face.... :laugh:

[DocDoom187]

:laugh: Oh my God, Rokk, that's......

The tears are streaming down my face.... :laugh:
QFT

Wow Rokk. You really outdid yourself.

Not even JackA(I) has a joke that good programmed. :p

[CarlosMucha]

A new Country has Born!!!


The Constitutional Monarchy of Liberatos Kingdom
"Back to the old fashion familly values"


Civil Rights:
Few

Economy:
Good

Political Freedoms:
Below Average

Location: the West Pacific Regional Influence: Minnow

The Constitutional Monarchy of Liberatos Kingdom is a tiny, devout nation, remarkable for its burgeoning the savage free horse population. Its hard-nosed population of 5 million are highly moralistic and fiercely conservative, in the sense that they tend to believe most things should be outlawed. People who have good jobs and work quietly at them are lauded; others are viewed with suspicion.

The large government juggles the competing demands of Religion & Spirituality, Law & Order, and Social Welfare. The average income tax rate is 23%. A very small private sector is dominated by the Trout Farming industry.

Crime is a problem. Liberatos Kingdom's national animal is the the savage free horse, which frolics freely in the nation's many lush forests, and its currency is the the esperando.


You have a telegram!

You have one outstanding issue.


:laugh:

[Darkseid Sr.]

No public nudity on my watch in the Empire of Legitimate Beings! :laugh:

[CarlosMucha]

Dollars, pesos, libra, euros, that sort of thing.


thanks!

filler

[DocDoom187]

My goal is to have a Socialist Democracy as opposed to a NY Times Democracy. That's my ideal country. Democracy, yet everyone has an equal and fair chance to make something of themselves.

[Thawmus]

Now, Carlos, you just have to move to NationRealms, where we're all at.

Just look up one of our nations, go to the region, and click "move to this region"


In reality, typing my name in the search is probably easier than anything else. ;)

And then you should show us what your first issue is!

[CarlosMucha]

Now, Carlos, you just have to move to NationRealms, where we're all at.

Just look up one of our nations, go to the region, and click "move to this region"


In reality, typing my name in the search is probably easier than anything else. ;)

And then you should show us what your first issue is!


I just did it. Uh oh. I already have a problem in my country. :p

[Darkseid Sr.]

I just did it. Uh oh. I already have a problem in my country. :p

I did too! (well, not get a problem) I'm the Empire of Legitimate Beings!

[CarlosMucha]

ok what happen when you simply dismiss this issue. :p

(but I think I already take my position in the issue)

[CarlosMucha]

Should Democracy Be Compulsory?

The Issue
In response to a slow news week, certain highbrow newspapers have stirred up the debate over voluntary vs compulsory voting.

The Debate
"Compulsory voting makes about as much as sense as having the death penalty for attempted suicide," says civil rights activist Hope Hanover. "You can't force people to be free! You can only give them the choice. Besides, if all those derelicts who can't be bothered to get off their ### once every few years voted, who would they elect? I shudder to think."
[Accept]


"It's not contradictory at all," argues political commentator Alexei Jones. "The fact is, if not everyone votes, the outcome isn't truly representative. Some groups--like elderly gun nuts--vote more often than others. That's why we always end up with such terrible politicians."
[Accept]


"This raises an interesting issue," says Miranda Thiesen, your brother. "And that is: why do we need elections, anyway? Seems to me it would be much simpler if you just decided what was right, and did it. Wouldn't that save everyone a lot of time?"
[Accept]

The Government Position: Option 2.

and I don't want to be judge for this game! :mad: this is a game*























*or will be WAR!! :p

[Darkseid Sr.]

ok what happen when you simply dismiss this issue. :p

(but I think I already take my position in the issue)

The issue goes away, and you no longer have to deal with it.

[CarlosMucha]

The issue goes away, and you no longer have to deal with it.

Mmm. "eliminate" issue by ignoring sometimes create revelion. No. Not yet... I want my people to be happy*

















*On my way.

[Thawmus]

My goal is to have a Socialist Democracy as opposed to a NY Times Democracy. That's my ideal country. Democracy, yet everyone has an equal and fair chance to make something of themselves.

Yeah, my Depression-ville's goal is...well.....Psychotic Dictatorship. I like having it at the bottom of everything:

http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/un_category.html

The other one, is just going to go in the direction it ends up.

[Thawmus]

Should Democracy Be Compulsory?

The Issue
In response to a slow news week, certain highbrow newspapers have stirred up the debate over voluntary vs compulsory voting.

The Debate
"Compulsory voting makes about as much as sense as having the death penalty for attempted suicide," says civil rights activist Hope Hanover. "You can't force people to be free! You can only give them the choice. Besides, if all those derelicts who can't be bothered to get off their ### once every few years voted, who would they elect? I shudder to think."
[Accept]


"It's not contradictory at all," argues political commentator Alexei Jones. "The fact is, if not everyone votes, the outcome isn't truly representative. Some groups--like elderly gun nuts--vote more often than others. That's why we always end up with such terrible politicians."
[Accept]


"This raises an interesting issue," says Miranda Thiesen, your brother. "And that is: why do we need elections, anyway? Seems to me it would be much simpler if you just decided what was right, and did it. Wouldn't that save everyone a lot of time?"
[Accept]

The Government Position: Option 2.

and I don't want to be judge for this game! :mad: this is a game*























*or will be WAR!! :p

Yeah, I definitely think that's the one everyone gets their first day.

You took the same stance the Empire of Thawmus took.


The Oppressed Peoples of Depression-ville, however, outlawed elections immediately. :laugh:

[Rokk_Krinn]

Why don't you just pick #3 then Carlos as that sets things up to be ran "only your way"?

[CarlosMucha]

Why don't you just pick #3 then Carlos as that sets things up to be ran "only your way"?


because my country people should feel that they have a choise. I want they to be happy. Conservative happy. I don't want to be the only law of my country. I want to hear what the people opinion is. And if I'm wrong, change in a few things. if not will be a monarchy, and monarchy always made Kings lost his heads. I ratther blame to the Primer Minister some things. and give another head to my citizens. :p

Let's see what happen next. :)

[CarlosMucha]

speaking of wars. there is war in this game too??

[Rokk_Krinn]

Nope. No war implemented in the game-proper.

So, I allowed campaign contributions to be made and my government suddenly became "Enormous and corrupt"...but still doing nice things for people. :laugh:

Really don't like the three options on Free Speech as none of them seem to actually address the issue or explain what limits we're discussing here.

[Thawmus]

Why don't you just pick #3 then Carlos as that sets things up to be ran "only your way"?

It could be a fake democracy. That's pretty much what the Empire of Thawmus is looking to shape up to be. I want to be a dictatorship, that is reasonable, and accepts the advice of others. And, all in all, isn't afraid to step down. Which, I know, is an oxymoron.


In any case, I got my second issue for the day!



Auto Industry Struggles Against Foreign Imports
The Issue

Cheap, foreign-made cars are becoming increasingly popular, causing concern in Thawmus's automobile manufacturing industry.
The Debate

1. "Unless this government does something, Thawmus won't have an auto industry for much longer," says auto industry union boss Beth Nagasawa, in a rare public appearance alongside management. "These foreign companies employ people for a few torrents a day. The only way to level the playing field is to raise tariffs. The government would make more money, too, so it's win-win."
[Accept]

2. "For once, I agree with my grubby colleague here," says General Chassis CEO Jean-Paul Christmas. "Although I have to say, tariffs aren't the only answer. A more effective solution would be to abolish minimum wage laws. Now that would level the playing field. And we'd be able to employ more--argh, let go of my throat!"
[Accept]

3. "I think we need to face facts," says noted economist and chat-show regular Bill Gutenberg. "We live in a global economy now, and automobile manufacturing just isn't Thawmus's strong suit. There's no point taking money from taxpayers in order to line the pockets of a few greedy workers and corrupt managers in a doomed industry. Let the market takes its--argh, let go of my throat!"



I'm taking option #3. I don't like governmental controls on the economy. Never have. The more you try and strangle the market into doing what you want it to do, the wilder it gets.

[kontrol]

The Issue

Workers across the nation have gone out on indefinite strike over what they claim are substandard wages in the Beef-Based Agriculture industry.
The Debate

1. "We are the backbone of this country, and we demand a fair wage rise!" says union leader Jennifer Jefferson. "I don't think a 20% increase over two years is too much to ask. Unless the government forces employers to give us our due, we'll shut this whole industry down! Let's see how well Scordrag's economy manages without any Beef-Based Agriculture, huh?"
[Accept]

2. "We pay our employees very generous wages," says employer representative Buffy McGuffin. "Especially when you consider that without us, they'd be OUT ON THE STREET. Hear that, you scumbags? OUT ON THE STREET! Anyway, my point is, if you cave in, you make our entire industry uncompetitive. You can't do that in the global marketplace. It'll hurt the whole country. The best solution, economically speaking, would be to relax industrial laws and allow us to fire troublemakers on the spot."
[Accept]

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Definitely is a leading question.

[Doombot 3.1]

I just got the same automobile tariff issue as Thawmus, and I ended up also taking the free trade position.

And I am now a "truckler" instead of "minnow" in terms of regional influence. Always nice to be moving on up. :p

[CarlosMucha]

It could be a fake democracy. That's pretty much what the Empire of Thawmus is looking to shape up to be. I want to be a dictatorship, that is reasonable, and accepts the advice of others. And, all in all, isn't afraid to step down. Which, I know, is an oxymoron.


.


I like this. :devious: How we could be soo different and agreed in some things? :p

Second problem today!: :surprised

The Issue
As crime rates rise, some in the community are calling for increased policing.

The Debate
"Just the other day, I got mugged in the broad daylight!" says ruffian Pip Dredd. "And the ironic thing is I had just stuck up this other guy. When muggers are getting mugged, even I have to admit that crime has gotten out of control. We do need more police."
[Accept]


"The solution to crime is not more police!" says noted sociologist and occasional crime novelist Bianca Longbottom. "Studies repeatedly show that crime is caused by poverty and poor education. Increase government spending in these areas, and crime will fall! Maybe not overnight, but it will happen."
[Accept]


"Yeah, good luck with that," says conservative leader and gun enthusiast Roxanne Steele. "Look, we do need more police, that's clear. But that's not enough. We need real punishments: sentences that will act as a genuine deterrent to people considering a life of crime. Like public floggings."
[Accept]


My Government Position: Option 1.

also: I apply for be part of the ONU.

[Darkseid Sr.]

And I am now a "truckler" instead of "minnow" in terms of regional influence. Always nice to be moving on up. :p

Same here. I am now less delicious, however :(

[Doombot 3.1]

The Issue

Workers across the nation have gone out on indefinite strike over what they claim are substandard wages in the Beef-Based Agriculture industry.
The Debate

1. "We are the backbone of this country, and we demand a fair wage rise!" says union leader Jennifer Jefferson. "I don't think a 20% increase over two years is too much to ask. Unless the government forces employers to give us our due, we'll shut this whole industry down! Let's see how well Scordrag's economy manages without any Beef-Based Agriculture, huh?"
[Accept]

2. "We pay our employees very generous wages," says employer representative Buffy McGuffin. "Especially when you consider that without us, they'd be OUT ON THE STREET. Hear that, you scumbags? OUT ON THE STREET! Anyway, my point is, if you cave in, you make our entire industry uncompetitive. You can't do that in the global marketplace. It'll hurt the whole country. The best solution, economically speaking, would be to relax industrial laws and allow us to fire troublemakers on the spot."
[Accept]

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Definitely is a leading question.

I dunno. I think it's one of the more debatable issues we've seen.

[CarlosMucha]

this is exiting. I already call one of my bst friends to join to the game and join to our Region is everybody is not against it.

[CarlosMucha]

Same here. I am now less delicious, however :(


same as me. but I will like to know what that words means. :p

[vicious x]

the Warrior God of Aztecalandia joins your nation

UN Category: Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights:
Good
Economy:
Developing
Political Freedoms:
Excellent

[Darkseid Sr.]

same as me. but I will like to know what that words means. :p

Delicious means "tasting good" ;)

[CarlosMucha]

The Issue

Workers across the nation have gone out on indefinite strike over what they claim are substandard wages in the Beef-Based Agriculture industry.
The Debate

1. "We are the backbone of this country, and we demand a fair wage rise!" says union leader Jennifer Jefferson. "I don't think a 20% increase over two years is too much to ask. Unless the government forces employers to give us our due, we'll shut this whole industry down! Let's see how well Scordrag's economy manages without any Beef-Based Agriculture, huh?"
[Accept]

2. "We pay our employees very generous wages," says employer representative Buffy McGuffin. "Especially when you consider that without us, they'd be OUT ON THE STREET. Hear that, you scumbags? OUT ON THE STREET! Anyway, my point is, if you cave in, you make our entire industry uncompetitive. You can't do that in the global marketplace. It'll hurt the whole country. The best solution, economically speaking, would be to relax industrial laws and allow us to fire troublemakers on the spot."
[Accept]

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Definitely is a leading question.


Kontrol. what is your nation/ what kind of nation you have??

[Darkseid Sr.]

the Warrior God of Aztecalandia joins your nation

UN Category: Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights:
Good
Economy:
Developing
Political Freedoms:
Excellent

Oh, so you're the one who sent that assassin. :noid:

[CarlosMucha]

Delicious means "tasting good" ;)


yep. that I know. what I don't know is the meaning of "truckler"and "minnow" :p (going to check in traslators and wiki)

[CarlosMucha]

the Warrior God of Aztecalandia joins your nation

UN Category: Democratic Socialists
Civil Rights:
Good
Economy:
Developing
Political Freedoms:
Excellent


nobody have a comunist country yet? :p

[CarlosMucha]

I definitely see your dilemma with the dismissal. As I don't really care about the divorce rate.


:mad: :mad: :mad:

My Country don't have that problem. :)

[Thawmus]

nobody have a comunist country yet? :p

My puppet nation has a Psychotic Dictatorship, if it's any consolation. They're a lot of fun. :laugh:

[CarlosMucha]

My puppet nation has a Psychotic Dictatorship, if it's any consolation. They're a lot of fun. :laugh:


link link!

[JackAssterson]

WAR

I just wanted to throw that out there.

[Thawmus]

link link!
http://www.nationstates.net/78135/page=display_nation/nation=depression-ville

[CarlosMucha]

http://www.nationstates.net/78135/page=display_nation/nation=depression-ville


:laugh: poor people!

[Thawmus]

:laugh: poor people!
You see people. I see playthings. :laugh:

[CarlosMucha]

question: in some point your country interact with others nations??

[Thawmus]

question: in some point your country interact with others nations??

Yes and no. There are several things to do with the UN, so there's quite a bit of interaction there. Voting on legislature, endorsing UN members for regional delegation, etc.

I think the UN Delegate for our region gets some regional power, as well. The current Delegate is Antipathy, or rather, Antigony.

[Antipathy]

question: in some point your country interact with others nations??

The only in-game interaction is through the United Nations. If you join the UN, you can vote for or against proposals that if passed are implemented in all member countries.

Also, you can endorse other UN countries. That gives them an extra vote for proposals. For example, I have two endorsements (from Doom-veria and Guilexia) That gives me 3 votes for UN proposals instead of the usual one. (I should have 4 votes, but the Empire of Thawmus withdrew their endorsement. :cry::p) Doom-veria and Guilexia can still vote on UN proposals though.

[Thawmus]

The only in-game interaction is through the United Nations. If you join the UN, you can vote for or against proposals that if passed are implemented in all member countries.

Also, you can endorse other UN countries. That gives them an extra vote for proposals. For example, I have two endorsements (from Doom-veria and Guilexia) That gives me 3 votes for UN proposals instead of the usual one. (I should have 4 votes, but the Empire of Thawmus withdrew their endorsement. :cry::p) Doom-veria and Guilexia can still vote on UN proposals though.

The Empire would prefer a delegate that votes! :laugh:

Okay, you'll get my endorsement again. :laugh:

[Antipathy]

The Empire would prefer a delegate that votes! :laugh:

Okay, you'll get my endorsement again. :laugh:

Since the website is blocked here (St-Bernard), I can only view the website through a proxy server. However, it doesn't allow me to log in.

Believe me, I'll vote when I get home. :laugh:

[CarlosMucha]

Interesting. let's see if I "fix" in the ONU. :p

[hail_eris]

WAR
So, err, what is it good for?

[CarlosMucha]

Since the website is blocked here (St-Bernard), I can only view the website through a proxy server. However, it doesn't allow me to log in.

Believe me, I'll vote when I get home. :laugh:


what is the current ONU issue?

[Darkseid Sr.]

what is the current ONU issue?

A required Health Care bill replacement.

[Thawmus]

A required Health Care bill replacement.

Actually, a repeal of the Health Care bill replacement, which isn't doing anything. So that we can write something up later, that actually does something.

[Antipathy]

The Nomadic Peoples of Whray: ???
The Holy Empire of Saralto: ???
The Rogue Nation of Whateversland: ???
The Queendom of The Island Sodor: ???

Saralto is Doombot?

[Doombot 3.1]

Saralto is Doombot?

That is correct.

[vicious x]

Oh, so you're the one who sent that assassin. :noid:

yes the Warrior God has a soft spot for the UN health care issue :)

[CarlosMucha]

if I'm part of the ONU I can vote or just Anti can vote because is our representant?

[Antipathy]

if I'm part of the ONU I can vote or just Anti can vote because is our representant?

You can vote also.

[CarlosMucha]

"Guilexia is ranked 5th in the region and 28,196th in the world for Greatest Rich-Poor Divides."


:laugh:

[Thawmus]

if I'm part of the ONU I can vote or just Anti can vote because is our representant?


Here's the breakdown:

All UN members vote on issues presented before the UN council.

UN Delegates get to vote on whether or not a particular issue is presented before the UN council. The more endorsements they receive from UN members in their region, the more votes they get.

I'm not sure if they get extra voting power on issues as well, or not.

You can look through the proposals, and decide if you want to ask Antipathy to vote on their approval. It'd help, of course, if you endorsed him. ;)

[Darkseid Sr.]

You can vote also.

How can I see what ranking I have in the region (NationRealms), Anti?

[Antipathy]

How can I see what ranking I have in the region (NationRealms), Anti?

You have to wait until the server updates again, which should be around 1-2 EST am.

[CarlosMucha]

Here's the breakdown:

All UN members vote on issues presented before the UN council.

UN Delegates get to vote on whether or not a particular issue is presented before the UN council. The more endorsements they receive from UN members in their region, the more votes they get.

I'm not sure if they get extra voting power on issues as well, or not.

You can look through the proposals, and decide if you want to ask Antipathy to vote on their approval. It'd help, of course, if you endorsed him. ;)


Interesting. :)

[Truffle Shuffle]

I went from Ambassador yesterday to Dealmaker today then to Negotiator, also today. My issue hasn't gone through yet as I haven't gotten a new issue (I set it for two a day). I applied to join the UN. I wonder how the reational influence is, well, influenced.

[JackAssterson]

So, err, what is it good for?

Decreasing the surplus population!

/Scrooge

[Thawmus]

I went from Ambassador yesterday to Dealmaker today then to Negotiator, also today. My issue hasn't gone through yet as I haven't gotten a new issue (I set it for two a day). I applied to join the UN. I wonder how the reational influence is, well, influenced.

The 7 or 8 additions to our region, we got today, would probably have a lot to do with that.

[CarlosMucha]

The 7 or 8 additions to our region, we got today, would probably have a lot to do with that.


what's up with the ranking?

maybe is a silly question (remember that I'm blind for Jericho in clix) but...

why the nations who have more rich/poor great divtion difference are ranking highter than others?


what made your nation rank better than others??

[Thawmus]

what's up with the ranking?

maybe is a silly question (remember that I'm blind for Jericho in clix) but...

why the nations who have more rich/poor great divtion difference are ranking highter than others?

a nation is not better if is economic equality in the population? (Oh God. that sound comunist, but is not what I mean).

anyways the question stand.

my question actually is more like what made your nation rank better??

Well, first off, any nations that joined today aren't going to show in the daily rankings until tomorrow.

Secondly, the rankings aren't necessarily good things. Keep in mind that everyone's running a different kind of government, and we all have our own idea of "Good".

So, if you want economic equality in your country, and you didn't end up on the first page today, you're probably doing something right. :)


That being said, I still don't understand why my Psychotic Dictatorship ended up at #16. I suppose they are all equal, economically. Equally in poverty!! MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! :laugh:

[kontrol]

I also think there's a different ranking. Yesterday's for example was not economic. I forget exactly what it was, but it was a different type of ranking.

[JackAssterson]

I also think there's a different ranking. Yesterday's for example was not economic. I forget exactly what it was, but it was a different type of ranking.

Yeah, the ranking subject changes each day.

[Thawmus]

I also think there's a different ranking. Yesterday's for example was not economic. I forget exactly what it was, but it was a different type of ranking.

Yesterday's was "Leading Insurance Industry".

[Truffle Shuffle]

The 7 or 8 additions to our region, we got today, would probably have a lot to do with that.

Makes sense.

[CarlosMucha]

Ok, WHO is the The Republic of Aztecalandia :mad:

He is complaining about the Civil Rights in my Kingdom! :mad:


edit: I found you:

Viciooooooooooooooooooooooooouuuuuuuuuuuuuus!!!

:mad:

:p

[Antipathy]

My two issues

Several animal rights groups have protested the continuing use of fur as a material for clothing.

1. "This is an outrage!" cries Larry Rifkin, president of the Be Nice To Animals society. "The manufacture of fur apparel is unethical, cruel, and disgusting! People just don't seem to realise that millions of animals die each year in fur farms, crammed into tiny cages and suffering the most terrible treatment just so someone can look appealing and rich! This is a sick practice and must be stopped! The same can go for leather shoes and snakeskin belts too."

2. "You can't mean that, surely?" snorts Gregory Trax, adjusting his hat, made from real chimpanzee hide. "It's the people's choice what they wear. I don't think it's fair that the majority of the public should be deprived of fur clothes because some people are a bit queasy. In fact, if the government would allow us to stock rarer animals, we could produce even finer products. In the end, it's up to the consumer, don't you think?"

I chose to dismiss it. I don't think people should be allowed to wear clothes made from the skin of the national animal, but banning leather shoes is taking it too far.

A group of Greenpeace protesters have called for an end to a government proposal to begin damming rivers in Antigony to increase water supplies and generate power.

1. "Don't build dams!" shouts protestor Chastity Nagasawa through a microphone heavily afflicted with feedback. "Do you know how many fish die in other dams in our region each year? Have you heard of the adverse effects building a dam has on the surrounding environment? Dam up this flood of dams, damn it!"
[Accept]

2. "Think before you open your mouth," says engineer Klaus McAlpin. "While Antigony may have to pay the price in animal diversity, as well as adverse effects on the environment, do we really want fossil-fuel based plants polluting Antigony? If you use your common sense, I think you'll find that damming some rivers would be a good idea. Plus, think of how much the economy would benefit from all the jobs these projects would create."


Damming some rivers is ok. Chose option #2.

[Antipathy]

And for the proposals for UN resolutions, here's the ones I voted for

'Carbon Unit' Trading, Salted Weapons Ban, Walbard Globalization Act 2008

Let me know what you guys think.

[DocDoom187]

So as of the last update, Doombots are a delicacy and Doom-Veria's favorite dish.

:p

[Truffle Shuffle]

My two issues

I chose to dismiss it. I don't think people should be allowed to wear clothes made from the skin of the national animal, but banning leather shoes is taking it too far.

There's always pleather. :cheeky:

[Truffle Shuffle]

My two issues

Damming some rivers is ok. Chose option #2.

And using a clean resource such as water for energy does more good for the environment than harm. Really irks me that the government doesn't invest more money into clean resources. Oil makes the world go round.

[KitsuShel]

The Nomadic Peoples of Whray: ???
The Holy Empire of Saralto: ???
The Rogue Nation of Whateversland: ???
The Queendom of The Island Sodor: ???

Saralto is Doombot?

Aww man, no parents in this crew? I figured one of them would figure mine out.

The Queendom of The Island Sodor representing! (Only because The Island of Sodor was taken :p)

[CarlosMucha]

I've gone back and forth on wanting to dismiss an issue. Part of me wanted to dismiss when I felt an issue shouldn't be controlled by government decision - how to affect divorce rates (just because I support same-sex marriage doesn't mean I see that as affecting divorce rates other than to artificially lower them) - but worried that would count as "government laziness".


hahahaha! :laugh:

[CarlosMucha]

Well, if you miss the server update it's no big deal. Issues stockpile until you reach 5. And then if you don't log in for 60 days, your country is deleted.


I think now it's 28 days.

[CarlosMucha]

Man, Carlos is so going to try and move to that country. :noid:


EEEWWWW. Sex and food don't mix well in my book. EEEEWWW.

[vicious x]

Aww man, no parents in this crew? I figured one of them would figure mine out.

The Queendom of The Island Sodor representing! (Only because The Island of Sodor was taken :p)


teletubbies? no thomas the steam engine,... :) I knew that name sounded familiar :laugh:

[Truffle Shuffle]

I have girls. Weren't big fans of Thomas I'm afraid.

[KitsuShel]

I have girls. Weren't big fans of Thomas I'm afraid.

Yeah, my 4 year old neice isn't into him either, lol. She likes Bratz.

[Truffle Shuffle]

That about sums it up. Bratz, Barbies, Polly Pocket. All very girly.

[DocDoom187]

So...anyone in the mood for Prime Doombot Rib with a side of Fava beans?

[Darkseid Sr.]

Yeah, my 4 year old neice isn't into him either, lol. She likes Bratz.

And that's what is wrong with society :(

[Rokk_Krinn]

I have girls. Weren't big fans of Thomas I'm afraid.

I've, uhm, watched some of the first season of "Shining Time Station" but I'm sure folks who know my music tastes understand why I had to do it. :)

[GroovyBoy]

Okay, the Empire of Anvilanian States is up and running (Anvilania was already taken... who knew?). Apparently Emperor Groovy and Empress Pokey (elected) rule over an Inoffensive Centrist Democracy, but we'll see how long that lasts. Lotta real bad governments in the area.

Incidentally, I read both Jennifer Govt and Company when they first came out, and they were hysterical...

[CarlosMucha]

Issue:

Budget Time: Accountants Excited

The Issue
It's time for the government to allocate spending for the coming year, and as always, special interest groups are keen to have their say.

The Debate
"The state of the education system is, in many areas, simply frightful," says Teachers Union leader Jazz Broadside. "And even where we are doing well, we could do better. I appeal to the authorities for a substantial boost in funding. Remember, the children are our future."
[Accept]


"We won't have a future unless we improve police numbers and rebuild the military," says General Tobias Jefferson. "Oh, it's all well and good to have your fancy education and your nice cars, until some tinpot dictatorship decides to invade. And don't pretend like there aren't any of them in our region. Our number one priority has to be security."

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.


"Education is nice, but Health and Social Welfare are more important," says celebrity social worker Prudence Hendrikson. "This is where the people who really need government help are: the marginalized of our society. If we don't help them, what kind of a nation are we?"
[Accept]


"Hey, I've got a crazy idea," says noted libertarian and bird-watcher Jean-Paul Gutenberg. "How about the government stops taking so much tax from people? Give us a tax cut and we'll buy the things we need ourselves. People need to be weaned off the government teat!"
[Accept]

A hard desicion for me. Public health care is my priority BUT a Nation must be protected and respect by other nations. Soo, because the Kingdom is growing I hope my people can undestend this time that security is our number 1 priority.

For sure we will take care of the others important things once the Nation have his right place in the Region.

Edit: and NO WAY what I will EVER do the option number 4.

[CarlosMucha]

I has been accepted by the UN!

:p

[Darkseid Sr.]

Apparently my nation is not very beuatiful, and lacks nice beaches and lush forests :tired:

[Antipathy]

How was Thawmus able to endorse Antigony, Ob-la-da, and Guilexia all at the same time? :confused:

[Thawmus]

How was Thawmus able to endorse Antigony, Ob-la-da, and Guilexia all at the same time? :confused:

*points to user name*

That's why. That right there. ;)

[Truffle Shuffle]

So after choosing to support gay marriages, here's where I stand:

Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Fragile
Political Freedoms: Below Average
Regional Influence: Instigator

Civil Rights went up, as expected.

Today's issue:

Workers across the nation have gone out on indefinite strike over what they claim are substandard wages in the Arms Manufacturing industry.

The Debate
"We are the backbone of this country, and we demand a fair wage rise!" says union leader Charles Jones. "I don't think a 20% increase over two years is too much to ask. Unless the government forces employers to give us our due, we'll shut this whole industry down! Let's see how well A Utopian Way of Life's economy manages without any Arms Manufacturing, huh?"
[Accept]


"We pay our employees very generous wages," says employer representative Beth Gutenberg. "Especially when you consider that without us, they'd be OUT ON THE STREET. Hear that, you scumbags? OUT ON THE STREET! Anyway, my point is, if you cave in, you make our entire industry uncompetitive. You can't do that in the global marketplace. It'll hurt the whole country. The best solution, economically speaking, would be to relax industrial laws and allow us to fire troublemakers on the spot."
[Accept]

Went with 1. My economy is fragile to begin with. Do you think that's the right choice?

[Truffle Shuffle]

I need someone to explain to me how paying workers higher wages can make an industry uncompetitive. I'm not sure how that works.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I need someone to explain to me how paying workers higher wages can make an industry uncompetitive. I'm not sure how that works.

The arguement - though not addressed in those options - is that if you're shelling out more for employees, not only do you have to have a smaller workforce but can't compete as well with companies that are able to use foreign workforces hired out on a few rupees a day (i.e. - your money is going into employee wages instead of production, advertisement, your pocket, uhm...skip the last one :) ). There's also a debate as to whether employees with higher wages - thus feeling a bit of financial security - will work as industriously as those that eek out a living but that gets into a whole other issue.

[Truffle Shuffle]

So which option would help my economy?

[Antipathy]

Option #2 would help your economy.

[CarlosMucha]

I have crime problems.

yesterday I have to choose between:

More cops, education, or give several punishments. I choose more cops. but I was temted to give more punishment. looks like it was a good decision because the crime go down.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Well, I had chosen Option 3 on the Free Speech issue - though I almost went with Option 2 - because I thought it was basically saying the ol' "Your right to free speech ends where my face begins"-thing. Apparently it gets implemented a bit harsher than that, unfortunately, as somehow I made it a crime to offend someone's religious beliefs. :confused: Sigh...so just a warning to folks on that one.

My current issue:


The Issue
A recent poll has revealed high levels of dissatisfaction among the populace about tax rates.

The Debate
"Do you know how much of my year's work goes to the government?" demanded angry worker Lars Dredd. "Too much! Government spending has gotten way out of control. It needs big cuts in welfare, health, and education. But leave those subsidies to business alone. We need them to create jobs."

"It's not the AMOUNT of tax, it's where the burden falls," says student activist Konrad Love. "And at the moment, far too much of the burden is falling on the poor. People on high incomes still have more money than people on low incomes. I don't think I need to say anything more than that."

"I don't object to the amount of tax, I object to where it's being spent," says social reformer Klaus Rifkin. "I'd like to see everyone have a choice as to where their sankars go every time they fill out a tax return. Everyone would feel a lot better about opening their wallets if they had a say as to where the money went. I think you'd see a lot more public money going to education and a lot less to business."


I almost suspect I have to go with Number 3 - the other two are fairly poorly worded as well but I don't think cutting out social programs works with the current structure of my country and I'm rather happy with the flat tax currently in Ob-la-da - but I don't particularly like that idea; I won't dismiss - especially on a tax issue - but these options are "ergh". Option 2 would be more tempting if the guy didn't sound so stupid - of course rich people have more money than poor people! I also don't like to punish success - but Option 3 leaves me thinking that we'll see things like law enforcement and what-not go by the wayside. :ermm:

Hmm...starting to wonder if that's part of the point of the game and it's secretly pro-politician: no matter the choices, they always boil down to sounding outrageous and bad. :laugh:

[Thawmus]

Thawmus Decides:
Child Casino Shock

The Issue

Children as young as eight have been spotted gambling in some of Thawmus's seedier casinos.

The Debate

1. Social activist Konrad Jones is outraged. "Gambling needs to be outlawed immediately. It's no wonder children are becoming sucked into the vice, with adults setting such a poor example. Gambling is a stain on Thawmus's international reputation and it must be stopped!"

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.

2. However, Crown Casino chairperson Naki Washington says, "What's wrong with children gambling? It prepares them for the realities of life, teaching them that success or failure is not due to hard work or intelligence, but the roll of the dice. Besides, if kids weren't gambling, they'd be spraypainting trains."
[Accept]

Obviously, I'm taking #1......






Depression-ville Decides:
Harry Potter Censorship Row

The Issue

The latest "Harry Potter" book to hit schools across Depression-ville has stirred up the greatest controversy yet.

The Debate

1. "I quite enjoyed the book, until I got to the part where Harry summons evil demons to do his bidding," says religious leader Dave Utopia. "Now that's just wrong. We need to restore some sense to this debate, by which I mean we should remove this book from the shelves, salt it thoroughly, and burn it."

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.

2. Teachers union President Pip Nagasawa says, "Come on, the book is fantasy! And it's a damn good read. I'd like the government to issue a statement of support for our teachers and librarians, so kids can enjoy good books without interference from religious wackos, like Christians."
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I'm taking #1, because I outlaw everything in that country. :laugh:

[CarlosMucha]

I read everybody's country in our region.

The one who more near to my thouts are is the Thawmus one. :confused: Ironic, right? He get my first give Endorsement.

My Kingdom is beautiful! I'm 9 in the regional rankind!

[Thawmus]

I read everybody's country in our region.

The one who more near to my thouts are is the Thawmus one. :confused: Ironic, right? He get my first give Endorsement.

My Kingdom is beautiful! I'm 9 in the regional rankind!

Meh, just wait until we decide whether women get any rights at all. You'll steer clear of us, then, Carlos. ;)

[CarlosMucha]

Well, I had chosen Option 3 on the Free Speech issue - though I almost went with Option 2 - because I thought it was basically saying the ol' "Your right to free speech ends where my face begins"-thing. Apparently it gets implemented a bit harsher than that, unfortunately, as somehow I made it a crime to offend someone's religious beliefs. :confused: Sigh...so just a warning to folks on that one.

My current issue:


The Issue
A recent poll has revealed high levels of dissatisfaction among the populace about tax rates.

The Debate
"Do you know how much of my year's work goes to the government?" demanded angry worker Lars Dredd. "Too much! Government spending has gotten way out of control. It needs big cuts in welfare, health, and education. But leave those subsidies to business alone. We need them to create jobs."

"It's not the AMOUNT of tax, it's where the burden falls," says student activist Konrad Love. "And at the moment, far too much of the burden is falling on the poor. People on high incomes still have more money than people on low incomes. I don't think I need to say anything more than that."

"I don't object to the amount of tax, I object to where it's being spent," says social reformer Klaus Rifkin. "I'd like to see everyone have a choice as to where their sankars go every time they fill out a tax return. Everyone would feel a lot better about opening their wallets if they had a say as to where the money went. I think you'd see a lot more public money going to education and a lot less to business."


I almost suspect I have to go with Number 3 - the other two are fairly poorly worded as well but I don't think cutting out social programs works with the current structure of my country and I'm rather happy with the flat tax currently in Ob-la-da - but I don't particularly like that idea; I won't dismiss - especially on a tax issue - but these options are "ergh". Option 2 would be more tempting if the guy didn't sound so stupid - of course rich people have more money than poor people! I also don't like to punish success - but Option 3 leaves me thinking that we'll see things like law enforcement and what-not go by the wayside. :ermm:

Hmm...starting to wonder if that's part of the point of the game and it's secretly pro-politician: no matter the choices, they always boil down to sounding outrageous and bad. :laugh:

clearly the game exagerated. but I think you should go with your final opinion. no matter if your final opinion is the same as the stupid guy. :p Becuase may sound stupid but it will be more YOUR way, and for sure you have more ways to follow YOUR way with better words than the stupid guys.

My way to choose is too choise not choose the "right way". Is more like choose MY way. and if I'm wrong I want to see why or in what way will affect my Kingdom. Of course, that is just my 2c. :p

[CarlosMucha]

Thawmus Decides:
Child Casino Shock

The Issue

Children as young as eight have been spotted gambling in some of Thawmus's seedier casinos.

The Debate

1. Social activist Konrad Jones is outraged. "Gambling needs to be outlawed immediately. It's no wonder children are becoming sucked into the vice, with adults setting such a poor example. Gambling is a stain on Thawmus's international reputation and it must be stopped!"

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.

2. However, Crown Casino chairperson Naki Washington says, "What's wrong with children gambling? It prepares them for the realities of life, teaching them that success or failure is not due to hard work or intelligence, but the roll of the dice. Besides, if kids weren't gambling, they'd be spraypainting trains."
[Accept]

Obviously, I'm taking #1......


Gambling is bad. very bad. you are right.



Depression-ville Decides:
Harry Potter Censorship Row

The Issue

The latest "Harry Potter" book to hit schools across Depression-ville has stirred up the greatest controversy yet.

The Debate

1. "I quite enjoyed the book, until I got to the part where Harry summons evil demons to do his bidding," says religious leader Dave Utopia. "Now that's just wrong. We need to restore some sense to this debate, by which I mean we should remove this book from the shelves, salt it thoroughly, and burn it."

This is the position your government is preparing to adopt.

2. Teachers union President Pip Nagasawa says, "Come on, the book is fantasy! And it's a damn good read. I'd like the government to issue a statement of support for our teachers and librarians, so kids can enjoy good books without interference from religious wackos, like Christians."
[Accept]

I'm taking #1, because I outlaw everything in that country. :laugh:


wait to they receive the first copy of "The Golden Compast"! :laugh:

that movie is WRONG. very wrong. it must be forbidden for adults. not even think about childrens. :p :ermm:

[MSU]

Someone approached me about a union....was that you Carlos? The Queen of Guilexia will not trade with a country with such poor civil rights records.

Don't get me started on Thawmus's country....

[CarlosMucha]

Meh, just wait until we decide whether women get any rights at all. You'll steer clear of us, then, Carlos. ;)


he he he. we will see. It depends what kind of rights. :p :nervous:

[CarlosMucha]

Someone approached me about a union....was that you Carlos? The Queen of Guilexia will not trade with a country with such poor civil rights records.

Don't get me started on Thawmus's country....


more than a Union it was a interchange of people on vacation. The King of our Kingdom (ME) need good vacations and looks like your country is in party all the time.

I receive your negative and we are preparing our next step. :devious: :p

and what Thamus country you mean? the Empire or the Village??

[Thawmus]

Someone approached me about a union....was that you Carlos? The Queen of Guilexia will not trade with a country with such poor civil rights records.

Don't get me started on Thawmus's country....


What? The Empire of Thawmus may have a poor civil rights record at the moment, but that's just because we got terrible issues to resolve. I mean, I had Nazis....


If you're talking about Depression-ville, though....yeah, I'm not sure if those people are even sentient anymore. That Dictator needs to be removed one of these days....

[CarlosMucha]

What? The Empire of Thawmus may have a poor civil rights record at the moment, but that's just because we got terrible issues to resolve. I mean, I had Nazis....


If you're talking about Depression-ville, though....yeah, I'm not sure if those people are even sentient anymore. That Dictator needs to be removed one of these days....


Yesterday I have to choose bettween budget to education, military, or health care.

I choose military. the key word of why I choosse that was "and don't pretend that you don't know that there is forces in our region trying to invade others countrys...."

Soo my question is what Countrys? witch ones!!?!!

You are not planning "turism" to other countrys, right Thawmus?? :p

[kontrol]

So after choosing to support gay marriages, here's where I stand:

Civil Rights: Good
Economy: Fragile
Political Freedoms: Below Average
Regional Influence: Instigator

Civil Rights went up, as expected.

Today's issue:

Workers across the nation have gone out on indefinite strike over what they claim are substandard wages in the Arms Manufacturing industry.

The Debate
"We are the backbone of this country, and we demand a fair wage rise!" says union leader Charles Jones. "I don't think a 20% increase over two years is too much to ask. Unless the government forces employers to give us our due, we'll shut this whole industry down! Let's see how well A Utopian Way of Life's economy manages without any Arms Manufacturing, huh?"
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"We pay our employees very generous wages," says employer representative Beth Gutenberg. "Especially when you consider that without us, they'd be OUT ON THE STREET. Hear that, you scumbags? OUT ON THE STREET! Anyway, my point is, if you cave in, you make our entire industry uncompetitive. You can't do that in the global marketplace. It'll hurt the whole country. The best solution, economically speaking, would be to relax industrial laws and allow us to fire troublemakers on the spot."
[Accept]

Went with 1. My economy is fragile to begin with. Do you think that's the right choice?

I had this one yesterday, and chose the same.

My taxes went up, my crime went down and I now have strikes daily as I guess since my second leading industry has to pay a "fair" wage, the rest of the population will want the same.

My rating is still the same though, I guess since I had such a big Rich/Poor divide forcing the industry to pay the workers a bit more didn't really hurt me. But I'm sure for someone with a Fragile economy option 2 would help build it up.

[kontrol]

I just got the compulsory democracy question again. What's with that?

[Doombot 3.1]

The Issue
A well-heeled lobby group is pushing for the elimination of regulations that prevent corporations from donating money to political parties.

The Debate
"This is supposed to be a democratic country," Soda Sales industry spokesperson Hack Wall says. "Yet these archaic laws say I can't donate money to support a political party. They put ceilings on the amount any party can spend on advertising. It's time to stop treating voters like children, and trust them to make up their own minds. Free the ballot box!"
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"You say political freedom, I hear vote-buying," says popular anarchist Jean-Paul Washington. "If these fat cats get their way, politicians will buy their own seat in Congress. And let's face it, a slick advertising campaign can convince a lot of apathetic voters. We need to tighten the laws, not repeal them. Money should have no place in politics!"
[Accept]

"Frankly, I don't see why we need to have elections at all," says your brother, Roxanne Washington, over a late-night malt whiskey. "You always seem to know what's best. Why not scrap the whole political system? It would make things so much simpler."
[Accept]

I have a brother named "Roxanne"? :rolleyes:

[Thawmus]

I just got the compulsory democracy question again. What's with that?

They want to make sure..... ;)