So who's loving secret invasion? SPOILERS!!

[BLACKHEART25]

Man it was really fun reading Secret Invasion 1 today!! To see that Dumdum Dugan, Henry pym, and Jarvis were skrulls was amazing. I'm hoping agent brand muffin doesn't die out there in S.W.O.R.D. headquarters, but with 10 minutes left....who knows?!!

My favorite part was when the old school heroes come face to face with the new school and wonder who's who. They say there were skrull replacements going back as far as the Kree/Skrull war so this could get nasty. Also is this a way to easily fix "mistakes" or what? Talk about a way to fix Spiderman, Blackpanther/storm marriage, cyclops love for Emma, etc.

I do wonder "who" in HoM was a skrull and "what" character has the power to stop this invasion from that story? My bet is on layla or Quicksilver (at least being the skrull). Good day today yes indeed.............

[dlinquent]

Yeah it was a great story. Loved every second of it.

I am wondering what this meant
"He loves you". I have no idea. If someone know let me in.

The person in HOM that can stop it is
Scarlet Witch but I guess we'll have to see

Overall great start for this series. I just hope Luke Cage isn't a Skrull. He's one of my favorite characters.

[The Hultquist]

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree.

I have not yet picked up my copy of Secret Invasion, so my reaction is based solely upon the previews and spoilers gleaned from the Internet and discussion on these boards. While it would be a GREAT way to fix mistakes, remember that the people in charge of Marvel and SI in particular (Bendis and Quesada) would probably see different things as mistakes than you or I might – the Black Panther/Storm marriage, One More Day, etc. are Quesada products after all. I shudder to think what might be more likely fixes – if Tony Stark is no longer an alcoholic, for instance, destroying years of characterization.

Sadly, it occurred to me last night that Secret Invasion is the only logical progression for Marvel’s recent writing. In the Quesada era, classic villains (at least outside of the X-books, which I don’t follow) have been reduced to bit players, the ‘jobbers’ of the Marvel Universe if you will (even Doom – look at how effortlessly Sentry apparently took care of him in Mighty Avengers), so most of the action nowadays is either villain-less character-building, heroes fighting themselves, or heroes fighting nondescript terrorists, aliens, or evil minions from central casting. Even my two favorite ongoing series, The Initiative and Nova (where two major villains are Gamora and Drax after a Phalanx-precipitated ‘heel turn’), are a victim of this.

So, if the iconic villains have been reduced to afterthoughts and ‘squashes’ in the first five pages of a book to try and get the heroes ‘over,’ what’s left but to have the heroes fight among themselves (Civil War), band together to fight one of their own (World War Hulk), or fight evil duplicates of themselves (Secret Invasion)? Heck, most of the tension in-between events is created by interactions between heroes and Tony Stark (or lately, who’s a Skrull and who you can and cannot trust).

I know that superhero comics have been, since their inception, in large part soap operas. Yet somehow, they lose something to me when the villains have been turned into punchlines, posing no credible threat anymore whatsoever. Sure, in the old days you were nearly certain that the villain was going to end up losing, but the creative writers kept you interested despite that; now, without beleivable villains, you’re left with Judge Parker in tights. So am I excited about Secret Invasion? No – to me, it’s just another case of Bendis recycling of the one where the heroes fight themselves.

[Dr. Morbius]

They say there were skrull replacements going back as far as the Kree/Skrull war so this could get nasty. Also is this a way to easily fix "mistakes" or what? Talk about a way to fix Spiderman, Blackpanther/storm marriage, cyclops love for Emma, etc........

....or to fix Cap's death, or Tony Stark being such an $%&§$@ or the deaths of several characters (Stilt-Man, Jack'o'Lantern,...).
They can basically undo all they did in the last years by just saying: "It wasn't him/her it was a Skrull imposter"

I personally hope and x all fingers that Steve Rogers will return as Cap sooner or later!!

[Mr_JTR]

I'm just wondering... what happened to the originals that the Skrulls replaced? It's not like this were an invasion of Space Phantoms where the originals would be in "limbo".

[JKLantern]

I'm just wondering... what happened to the originals that the Skrulls replaced? It's not like this were an invasion of Space Phantoms where the originals would be in "limbo".

Magic pocket dimension. A Skrull Wizard did it.

Duh. ;)

[m0rpheus]

So the Skrull reveals...
Dumdum Dugan - Don't care
Henry Pym - Dumb.
Jarvis - Interesting idea, who better to spy on the Avengers

To me this would be a cheap way to "fix" the so-called "mistakes".
If you make Spider-man a Skrull (as much as I hate the idea of OMD/BND) it's just stupid. You would think if anybody would know that Pete's a Skrull, Mephisto would.
As far as Cyclops goes, it would only make sense if he was grabbed recently (post-Astonishing) because Emma has been in his head WAY too much in Astonishing not to notice, and if it's Emma it's because Joey Q is slowly retconning everything cool that Morrison brought to they X-men.

[Gambit]

I personally hope and x all fingers that Steve Rogers will return as Cap sooner or later!!

I've got to agree. As much as I like Bucky and really liked Winter Soldier, him as Cap ain't doin it for me.

[IceHot]

If they are smart the obvious choice is to make them captives on a Skrull Prison Camp World. Then they can tell some back stories of the prison life.

This would leave them plenty of latitude to adjust the characters as they like as prison life can certainly change your personality.

Furthermore, they can still go through with the death of characters they feel have passed their time and do it in a more respectful an honorable way.

I am a Cappy fan and would not mind the passing of Cappy if its done in an honorable way. Perhaps he can jump on a bomb and divert it into some frozen waters sacrificing himself to save the lifes of thousands.
And perhaps somehow his shield will be lost on some space world and can sit dormant until discovered some time in the future by some other Galactic Hero of the future.

[Phantom]

If you make Spider-man a Skrull (as much as I hate the idea of OMD/BND) it's just stupid. You would think if anybody would know that Pete's a Skrull, Mephisto would.
Unless Mephisto was really craving Skrull love all along!

[Mr_JTR]

Magic pocket dimension. A Skrull Wizard did it.

Duh. ;)

Now, come on. Everyone knows that the Skrulls don't practice magic, that's their cousins, the Dire Wraiths who do that.

[Rottgutt]

Unless Mephisto was really craving Skrull love all along!

I suspect in some dark, scary corner of the internet there's a fan fiction website dedicated to "Skrull love" stories...

Anyway... Dum Dum Dugan was replaced by a Skrull, huh? I wonder if we'll see a Dum Dum Dugan bystander token in Secret Invasion with either the Skrull or S.H.I.E.L.D. team ability.

[Blubeard]

So the Skrull reveals...
Dumdum Dugan - Don't care
Henry Pym - Dumb.
Jarvis - Interesting idea, who better to spy on the Avengers

To me this would be a cheap way to "fix" the so-called "mistakes".
If you make Spider-man a Skrull (as much as I hate the idea of OMD/BND) it's just stupid. You would think if anybody would know that Pete's a Skrull, Mephisto would.
As far as Cyclops goes, it would only make sense if he was grabbed recently (post-Astonishing) because Emma has been in his head WAY too much in Astonishing not to notice, and if it's Emma it's because Joey Q is slowly retconning everything cool that Morrison brought to they X-men.

i haven't read it yet. dumdum is a perfect choice. and he HAS acted a little odd of late...hank...too bad...im a fan and hes been fairly better post civil war...

but as for jarvis....i hope its more recent with him. one of the things that really touched me about new avengers (back when it was still really good) was the flirting between him and aunt may. it seemed very real and quite sweet. it was stuff like that that really made that book for me....it'll be too bad if that gets taken away. as far as perfect person to spy on the avengers? definitely

[tenacious_leigh]

Originally Posted by Dr. Morbius
I personally hope and x all fingers that Steve Rogers will return as Cap sooner or later!!

I don't think that is going to be the case, due to the fact when the Elektra skrull was killed, she turned back to skrull form

[vicious x]

I suspect in some dark, scary corner of the internet there's a fan fiction website dedicated to "Skrull love" stories...

Anyway... Dum Dum Dugan was replaced by a Skrull, huh? I wonder if we'll see a Dum Dum Dugan bystander token in Secret Invasion with either the Skrull or S.H.I.E.L.D. team ability.

or like congo bill, one side Dum Dum, you can flip it to the Skrull side

[The BoyBlunder]

but as for jarvis....i hope its more recent with him. one of the things that really touched me about new avengers (back when it was still really good) was the flirting between him and aunt may. it seemed very real and quite sweet. it was stuff like that that really made that book for me....it'll be too bad if that gets taken away. as far as perfect person to spy on the avengers? definitely
This is what I was thinking too.

Though if Black Panther were a Skrull, it would explain how he could fight Silver Surfer so easily.

[boow]

As far as Cyclops goes, it would only make sense if he was grabbed recently (post-Astonishing) because Emma has been in his head WAY too much in Astonishing not to notice, and if it's Emma it's because Joey Q is slowly retconning everything cool that Morrison brought to they X-men.

What is this "cool stuff" you speak of that Morrison brought to the X-Men? I know it wasnt the phoenix eggs, 'kick', weapon plus, xorn/magneto, fantomex, e.v.a, beak, angel salvadore, quentin quire, riot at xavier...

[Ouchmaker]

i haven't read it yet. dumdum is a perfect choice. and he HAS acted a little odd of late...hank...too bad...im a fan and hes been fairly better post civil war...

but as for jarvis....i hope its more recent with him. one of the things that really touched me about new avengers (back when it was still really good) was the flirting between him and aunt may. it seemed very real and quite sweet. it was stuff like that that really made that book for me....it'll be too bad if that gets taken away. as far as perfect person to spy on the avengers? definitely

In the words of... myself, "I told you so!". Henry Pym, already mentioned it, and there it was.

As for Dum Dum, it was strongly hinted recently, so it wasn't unexpected. So that leaves Jarvis, and while it was surprising, I got the feeling that he was mind controlled, since only Dum Dum and Pym appeared "skrullish", and there was only a hypnotic feel to Jarvis. Maybe I'm wrong, too early to say.

As for the story, I liked it, I liked it a lot. Still uneasy seeing Spidey in the original costume, but when that's the only negative thing you can say about it, they can feel proud. Simply loved the fact that Noh-Varr can now really show what he's made of. And being of Kree, I'm sure he's not too happy about these Skrulls everywhere.

And one final prediction, Captain Marvel, I predict Mar-Vell attacking the Thunderbolts in an effort to locate a Skrull among them, and there are accusations thrown everywhere, leading to some misunderstandings before the actual Skrull is revealed.

[Mr_JTR]

What is this "cool stuff" you speak of that Morrison brought to the X-Men? I know it wasnt the phoenix eggs, 'kick', weapon plus, xorn/magneto, fantomex, e.v.a, beak, angel salvadore, quentin quire, riot at xavier...

I liked the "Kick" bit and I liked that Xorn was Mags in disguise and that he died. They should've left him dead and not brought in another Xorn.
I hated all the retconning that came after GM left the book.

[papyrus]

....or to fix Cap's death,

I personally hope and x all fingers that Steve Rogers will return as Cap sooner or later!!

I am an old Cap fan, and I think the death of Steve Rogers story was done so well, it would be a shame to undo it.

Besides, there was a un-super-soldier-ed body, etc.

James Barnes becoming the new Cap is the best next step. I will be so deflated in my new rekindled love of comic heroes if all that was undone.

I think Steve Rogers deserves to Rest In Peace and do his duty in whatever reality comes next for superhero characters.

[saturnflight]

I liked the "Kick" bit and I liked that Xorn was Mags in disguise and that he died. They should've left him dead and not brought in another Xorn.
I hated all the retconning that came after GM left the book.

Agreed. Morrison's run was great for being bold enough to cause changes to the X-men that, let's face it, needed to happen. His vision of Magneto aside, I loved it. And I loved Fantomex and Xorn.

[saturnflight]

I am an old Cap fan, and I think the death of Steve Rogers story was done so well, it would be a shame to undo it.

Besides, there was a un-super-soldier-ed body, etc.

James Barnes becoming the new Cap is the best next step. I will be so deflated in my new rekindled love of comic heroes if all that was undone.

I think Steve Rogers deserves to Rest In Peace and do his duty in whatever reality comes next for superhero characters.

Dead on. A reasonable Cap fan!

[Webslinger14]

Am I reading into this too much or were there 5 reveals in Secret Invasion #1.

Jarvis
Dum Dum
Henry Pym
Invisible Woman

and then Captain Marvel trashes the Thunderbolts, I thought it was clear that he was bad too. Did I miss that or misinterpret or do you agree with me?

[Eric2]

Though if Black Panther were a Skrull, it would explain how he could fight Silver Surfer so easily.

Honestly, nothing could properly explain that...:rolleyes:

[webhead817]

I'm totally lost. I really don't know any more now than I did last week, excepting the Dum Dum, and Jarvis reveals. And Pym, but I don't think that's been a long infiltration, I got the impression that just happened (like maybe when he almost died (did die?) in Initiative). Sue appeared to be on the fly same day infiltration. Noh-Varr, prisoner, warden, or both? Captain Marvel, attacking villains, so is that a good thing or a bad thing? Does it even tie into the rest. The "missing"...they've ALL been infiltrated? Luke and what's her name he's married to? So neither of them even knew they were Skrulls? (Because we've witnessed many private discussions) And Iron Man...why are they attacking Iron Man if they actually have him captive? And Thor...

Makes no sense.

Conveniently Jose Quesedilla spends 3 or 4 pages telling me what Graphic Novels I need to buy in order to get caught up...except a.) I've already read all of those books and b.) we just got a one shot last month that covered all of this.

I'm already on the fence about picking up #2. I think I'm over it already. :(

*Looks at avatar*

####! I'm a Skrull and I didn't even know it!

[cattmoe]

I wasn't planning on picking this up but decided to give it a shot... and man, I'm glad I did. I thought it was great!

One thing, though.... I didn't think that the Sue Skrull was actually her, just a random Skrull that shifted into her on the Baxter building tour. I thought maybe she was still around somewhere....

As for the Cyclops debate - I don't think he's a Skrull. I think he's just dealing with things in a more realistic way - he's lost most of his idealism.

This clearly isn't the case, but given what he's become, if any of the X-men were going to be a Skrull I wish it was Bishop....

[I Am The Game]

I am an old Cap fan, and I think the death of Steve Rogers story was done so well, it would be a shame to undo it.

Besides, there was a un-super-soldier-ed body, etc.

James Barnes becoming the new Cap is the best next step. I will be so deflated in my new rekindled love of comic heroes if all that was undone.

I think Steve Rogers deserves to Rest In Peace and do his duty in whatever reality comes next for superhero characters.

How old a Cap fan? Steve Rogers is the moral compass of the Marvel universe, he always knows what he's fighting for. Being emotionally crippled by a wrecked neighborhood was ridiculous. His death lacked any shred of heroism, and even though it was obviously faked to sell books (see Hawkeye, Vision, Thor), it's still insulting to have that fed to us.

The Hultquist was very right when he said that the Joe Q probably doesn't see the same mistakes as we do. This title won't fix anything.

[Gambit]

...I think the death of Steve Rogers story was done so well....

I would like to kindly disagree with you on this one. What is so honorable at the hands of a sniper's bullet? I know he was trying to save the gaurds life, but Steve should have never been in that situation in the first place. Steve would not have surrendered like that and never would have beaten Tony or Frank the way he did. It was a mix of the Ultimate Cap and the 616 Cap that should have never happened.

Besides, there was a un-super-soldier-ed body, etc.

James Barnes becoming the new Cap is the best next step.

Again, I would like to kindly disagree. What has Bucky done in the past 50+ years for him to deserve to be the new Cap? His death was undone. If anything, Clint Barton should have been the replacement, but the wheels were already in motion to have it be Bucky.

I think Steve Rogers deserves to Rest In Peace and do his duty in whatever reality comes next for superhero characters.

Steve Rogers will never truly be able to rest because I feel his job was not finished. The morals that he stood for we are losing each day and it was a breath of fresh air to read Steve and his journey. As a country our morals are down the toilet and a man with the name of Captain America using his sheild as a distraction and shooting his enemies is just plain wrong. Steve was and will always be Captain America. In his case it was the man that made that costume and the ideals that came with it. In todays day and age, I think we should, no, need a hero with his beliefs.

[jshayer]

I’m going to have to respectfully disagree.

I have not yet picked up my copy of Secret Invasion, so my reaction is based solely upon the previews and spoilers gleaned from the Internet and discussion on these boards. While it would be a GREAT way to fix mistakes, remember that the people in charge of Marvel and SI in particular (Bendis and Quesada) would probably see different things as mistakes than you or I might – the Black Panther/Storm marriage, One More Day, etc. are Quesada products after all. I shudder to think what might be more likely fixes – if Tony Stark is no longer an alcoholic, for instance, destroying years of characterization.

Sadly, it occurred to me last night that Secret Invasion is the only logical progression for Marvel’s recent writing. In the Quesada era, classic villains (at least outside of the X-books, which I don’t follow) have been reduced to bit players, the ‘jobbers’ of the Marvel Universe if you will (even Doom – look at how effortlessly Sentry apparently took care of him in Mighty Avengers), so most of the action nowadays is either villain-less character-building, heroes fighting themselves, or heroes fighting nondescript terrorists, aliens, or evil minions from central casting. Even my two favorite ongoing series, The Initiative and Nova (where two major villains are Gamora and Drax after a Phalanx-precipitated ‘heel turn’), are a victim of this.

So, if the iconic villains have been reduced to afterthoughts and ‘squashes’ in the first five pages of a book to try and get the heroes ‘over,’ what’s left but to have the heroes fight among themselves (Civil War), band together to fight one of their own (World War Hulk), or fight evil duplicates of themselves (Secret Invasion)? Heck, most of the tension in-between events is created by interactions between heroes and Tony Stark (or lately, who’s a Skrull and who you can and cannot trust).

I know that superhero comics have been, since their inception, in large part soap operas. Yet somehow, they lose something to me when the villains have been turned into punchlines, posing no credible threat anymore whatsoever. Sure, in the old days you were nearly certain that the villain was going to end up losing, but the creative writers kept you interested despite that; now, without beleivable villains, you’re left with Judge Parker in tights. So am I excited about Secret Invasion? No – to me, it’s just another case of Bendis recycling of the one where the heroes fight themselves.

I second this!

[theroguesgallery]

Huh, I read the issue today and thought it was "okay". Bunch of explosions. Reed seemed to not know about the Elektra Skrull even though he already was shown the body by Iron Man before this issue. 70s Marvel is back? Puzzelled why Mockingbird (Hawkeye's ex wife) was there along with Mar-vel. Copying dead people seems confusing. Hoping the 70s characters are just programed Skrulls that are suppose to think they are the heroes or something? Maybe the whole thing with the ship is a distraction while the Skrulls blow stuff up? Already read and disliked when Alicia Masters after marrying the Torch was "revealed" to be Skrull. Oh man I just remembered didn't they have an "egg" together?

[Maniac_nmt]

....or to fix Cap's death, or Tony Stark being such an $%&§$@ or the deaths of several characters (Stilt-Man, Jack'o'Lantern,...).
They can basically undo all they did in the last years by just saying: "It wasn't him/her it was a Skrull imposter"

I personally hope and x all fingers that Steve Rogers will return as Cap sooner or later!!

I'm hoping for Cap's return too!

Anyone want to bet that some of the heros on the shuttle are the real deal, and some aren't?

We know for a fact the Thor on the shuttle isn't the real Thor (see the current Thor series), and we know either Jess Jones or Power Man are a Skrull (and both were on the shuttle).

I'm willing to bet that some of the shuttle are real, and some are not. The Sue Storm on it is probably the real Sue, and possibly the Emma Frost, but the Thor isn't, and the Iron Man shouldn't be (despite the fact I'd love it if it was).

It was a good twist to have the possibility that some are real and some aren't.

[Maniac_nmt]

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Besides, there was a un-super-soldier-ed body, etc.

James Barnes becoming the new Cap is the best next step. I will be so deflated in my new rekindled love of comic heroes if all that was undone.

I think Steve Rogers deserves to Rest In Peace and do his duty in whatever reality comes next for superhero characters.

Except that Steve dying doesn't 'un-super-soldier' when dead. He already died during Operation: Rebirth, and didn't revert (and there the Super Soldier Serum had actually broken down).

The fact that he already died with the serum basically totally broken down, and didn't revert, means whoever/whatever died during Civil War/Post Civil War wasn't Cap.

[cripp]

heres a thought. The heroes from the downed skrull ship are....
dum-dum-dum SKRULLS!

Otherwise I have a lot of skrull action figures and Clix.

[JGonspy]

I enjoyed the first issue. It's interesting and the mystery is compelling enough. I was surprised at how much better Yu's art looks with the right colouring. This definitely isn't the type of story that needs to look like it was dragged through dirt.

Here's hoping the next issue keeps up the pace.

[Orin]

I bet most of the heroes from the downed ship are Skrulls, and only a few of them are real. That's pretty much the ultimate Skrull mind game right there. I won't believe it if the Vision or Jean Grey or Spider-Man or Cap or Iron Man or Thor or a lot of the people from the downed ship were kidnapped years ago and replaced by Skrulls. Hawkeye, maybe Beast, Wonder Man, and Scarlet Witch I'll believe. And Jewel, even though it would devalue all of Alias, makes sense, since Jessica and Luke's baby has those green eyes.

Noh-Varr?! Awesome. I didn't realize he was gonna be in this book, and I'm all the happier for it. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to get a clix figure of him in the next set.

As for Mar-Vell, anyone who has been following Brian Reed's Captain Marvel mini is probably waiting for the last issue of it, like myself. He did encounter Skrull agents in that series, who notified him he was a Skrull who had just forgotten it. He wasn't sure if he believed it or not, so simply decided to be a hero, whether he was the real Mar-Vell or not. And then he kind of went crazy and decided to be a hero whether anyone liked it or not. So Ms. Marvel managed to bang his nega-bands against another set and send him back to the negative zone, where he found "where he came from." So the final issue of that mini will reveal for sure if he's a Skrull or not.

[Milo Garret]

I bet most of the heroes from the downed ship are Skrulls, and only a few of them are real. That's pretty much the ultimate Skrull mind game right there. I won't believe it if the Vision or Jean Grey or Spider-Man or Cap or Iron Man or Thor or a lot of the people from the downed ship were kidnapped years ago and replaced by Skrulls. Hawkeye, maybe Beast, Wonder Man, and Scarlet Witch I'll believe. And Jewel, even though it would devalue all of Alias, makes sense, since Jessica and Luke's baby has those green eyes.

Noh-Varr?! Awesome. I didn't realize he was gonna be in this book, and I'm all the happier for it. Maybe we'll be lucky enough to get a clix figure of him in the next set.

As for Mar-Vell, anyone who has been following Brian Reed's Captain Marvel mini is probably waiting for the last issue of it, like myself. He did encounter Skrull agents in that series, who notified him he was a Skrull who had just forgotten it. He wasn't sure if he believed it or not, so simply decided to be a hero, whether he was the real Mar-Vell or not. And then he kind of went crazy and decided to be a hero whether anyone liked it or not. So Ms. Marvel managed to bang his nega-bands against another set and send him back to the negative zone, where he found "where he came from." So the final issue of that mini will reveal for sure if he's a Skrull or not.


I hope it's actually Genis-Vell in his fathers costume. I haven't read the CM mini so I can't say if there is anyway to tell.

[CarlosMucha]

I don't care about spoilers. who are skrulls soo far??

[Darth Sabre]

I enjoyed the start of this series. I freaking knew Hank was actually a skrull, from the moment Tony started talking to Reed and Hank.
Jarvis and Dum-Dum were a pleasant suprise and the Sue Storm skrull scene was cool.

[Darth Sabre]

I don't care about spoilers. who are skrulls soo far??

Jarvis
Hank Pym (scumbag!)
Dum-Dum Dugan
Captain Marvel (version unknow at this time)
Plus there was a team of several heroes who crash-landed in the Savage Land in a skrull ship.

I agree with some posters that some of these may be the actual heroes.

[CarlosMucha]

Jarvis
Hank Pym (scumbag!)
Dum-Dum Dugan
Captain Marvel (version unknow at this time)
Plus there was a team of several heroes who crash-landed in the Savage Land in a skrull ship.

I agree with some posters that some of these may be the actual heroes.


Interesting.

Captain Marvel? who? Monica? other?

and what about the real heroes, any hint of were they are?/were all this time?

[Bubblehead]

Does that mean that Aunt May got it on with a Skrull???


She's an equal opportunity sexpot, that May!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Darth Sabre]

Interesting.

Captain Marvel? who? Monica? other?

and what about the real heroes, any hint of were they are?/were all this time?

No its Mar-vell.

No hint on the heroes. I think the idea is that some of them may have been abducted during other exploits, and replaced by skrulls. We'll have to wait until the series fleshes more out.

[jmz4lyf]

got my copy as soon as the shop got theirs. awesome read. I was really impressed with the pencils. I guess Yu CAN draw some huge scale scenes. Bendis was.. meh.. Bendis. I hope this story pays off but judging by this first issue alone.. I am sold!!!:laugh:

oh yeah..

I thought the same about civil war! yikes!!!

[CarlosMucha]

No its Mar-vell.

No hint on the heroes. I think the idea is that some of them may have been abducted during other exploits, and replaced by skrulls. We'll have to wait until the series fleshes more out.


interesting, thanks for the info. I bet it could need to happen a recue mision in search of the real heroes to Skrulland in some point.

[Milo Garret]

I'm thinking the ones that came out of the shuttle are Skrulls that just haven't been updated on the looks of the people they are supposed to replace. Along with a couple from the modern side.

[Ouchmaker]

I for one don't think Captain Marvel is a skrull. The first issue appearance of him is leading the reader to believe that he's a skrull, but when the last issue of his mini arrives, I believe it's going to reveal that Mar-Vell is who he believes he is, forcing the reader to read SI #01 again, and then the second issue wil tell us why Captain Marvel is actually there.

As for death of Cap, which really should go into another thread, more times than none, when Cap has died, or depowered from the serum, he has reverted to his natural status, so him "depowering" after his death is the logical choice. And the whole point of him dying like that, it's simply because if they would make him die heroically saving everyone in a big explosion, there's going to be people saying he's not really dead. Everyone knows what Cap stands for, and a heroic death would have been just another story. But killing him like they did, there was more meaning to the story. It wasn't about a heroic death, it was about how bad the world really is, when someone can just kill Cap like that. Cap's unheroic death is more heroic, and meaningful than a heroic death would have ever been. Cap is dead, it's really the Cap, and he's really dead. Get over it. Bringing him back with a "skrull-trick" would ony cheapen his death, nothing else.

- Dum Dum
- Hank Pym
- Invisible Woman (infiltrator, not actually pretending to be IW, just infiltrated as her so that he/she could use the Negative Zone to implode the Baxter building)
- Ship in Savage Land filled with skrulls that have the appearance of: Emma Frost, Spider-Man, Beast (ape-form), Power Man (Luke Cage), Thor, Jean Grey (green Phoenix costume), Wonder Man, Invisible Woman, Hawkeye, Iron Man, Vision, Jewel (Jessica Jones), Scarlet Witch, Mockingbird, Wolverine (first costume), Captain America, Ms Marvel (Captain Marvel costume).
- dozens of ships in space, coming to Earth, most likely filled with skrulls.
- Elektra (dead)

- Jarvis isn't 100%, since he was never shown to be a skrull, he could have been possessed.
- Captain Marvel (Mar-Vell) hasn't been confirmed either way. (most likely just told the readers what is going to happen in the pages of Thunderbolts).

Those are the ones actually shown in Secret Invasion #1, not counting the Skrulls shown in the "years ago" prologue in the first few pages.

Additionally:
- one Skrull pretending to be Ms Marvel.
- one Skrull pretending to be Daredevil in order to take Echo's place.

Not counting the skrulls already known to be on Earth, like Hulkling, She-Hulk's partner, etc.

[Milo Garret]

- Jarvis isn't 100%, since he was never shown to be a skrull, he could have been possessed.

Or mind controlled which is my guess. His eyes never changed to green like DumDum.

Spider-woman looks to be a skrull. She has mc powers via "phermones", and was in the same room as jarvis. I also think bald Cage is a skrull. Why not mis-lead a team of superheroes?

[Jarimy123]

Wasn't Sue Storm a skrull too? Or was that just a skrull pretending to be that black guy with the camera, then shifting to Sue in order to get to the negative zone? Sue/the skrull even said the "He loves you too" thing before opening the portal. Or was that the crack talking??

[evilevil]

The Problem I have with people being Skrull is it un does the history of the Character.
So say Captain America Return because the one who died was a skrull.
so does that mean the Captain America I was reading for the past 5-10 years was a skrull? so all his character growth is no longer valid.

Most disappointing would be if Luke Cage was a skrull. His character has gone through so much change and character development that it would be a shame to undo any of it.

I am not going to even start with spiderman, and the Cluster F that makes......

as a story I think it was very good. The Art was Good and the set up was fantastic. I am intrested/Worried where it is going to go though.

I already dropped 1/2 the marvel titles I used to read, will this make me drop more? will it bring me back? hhhmmmmm

Or mind controlled which is my guess. His eyes never changed to green like DumDum.

Spider-woman looks to be a skrull. She has mc powers via "phermones", and was in the same room as jarvis. I also think bald Cage is a skrull. Why not mis-lead a team of superheroes?

[Peers]

Okay, my predictions: Anyone with their own book? Not a Skrull. Spidey, Cap, Wolvie, Ms. Marvel, etc, all not Skrulls.

Anyone who's gone through a 'redemption' type arc (ie, White Queen) is not a Skrull.

As much as I want old-Beast back, I don't think he's a Skrull... no Skrull would want to under No More Mutants, and Beast had a twelve-issue backup arc where he tried to do just that. The Skrulls hate mutants of their own kind, why would they want them to exist again?

My guess? The 'transport ship' is mostly Skrulls, designed to -really- mess with the Earthlings. We know that the Scarlett Witch is fake -- you can't fake the kind of magic that lead to Dissassembled / House of M.

Oh, and Cloak is a Skrull somehow. The real Cloak wouldn't be able to teleport that many people through himself without Dagger's light to protect them. Of course he got the New Avengers to a Quinjet... he knew where they were going.

[thanosstar]

wow. i really hope they dont **** up characters...i wish cap was a skrull....at least nick fury is coming back to kick some skrull ***

[evilevil]

at least nick fury is coming back to kick some skrull ***

This is my single Biggest hope.

[Cuz]

Wether aunt May did go jungle fever on a skrull is moot when we're not sure it even happened thanks to OMD.

[Peers]

Jarvis isn't a Skrull; Mary Jane askes Mephisto to let him remember Peter-as-Spidey so that he could a) still remember his time with May and b) hopefully convince the Avengers to help. Instead, he went insane and willingly joined the Skrulls.

[malakim2099]

lol

Haven't read the issue yet, but I have followed the spoilers... here's my thoughts.

I think there's a mixture of Skrulls and heroes on that ship, because the Skrulls figure "Hey, our captives are about to escape? Let's infiltrate them and 'help them' do so. It'll only cause more confusion!"

And that's what this whole attack is about. Maximum confusion. I do think that the real Sue Storm is there, possibly the real Beast and Luke Cage as well. It would make sense why Cage was still adamant about "his own team" while Tony Stark has been looking the other way the entire time.

Oh, and regarding Jarvis and the green eyes? Half the time Yu doesn't draw the eyes ANYWAY. :)

[yerfuneral]

If you want to have a little extra Secret Invasion fix. You may want to go over to the Marvel site and their digital comic section. They have added the Secret Invasion Prologue to the freebie section, I haven't physicly read through my issue of Si yet but flipping through they didn't include this prologue in the issue, that was previously only available to subscribers last week. Will give you more information on Dum Dum' situation.
They also have a one page story called Secret Invasion Home Invasion but it really isn't much of a story I am warning you it isn't even worth the 2 star rating it has.

[BLACKHEART25]

I was thinking the same thing malakim2099. It was VERY interesting to see the people on the ship.

Of the X-men there was Jean and Beast. Weren't they in a story where those exact 2 thought the other X-characters to be dead? I at least hope the beast is real so he can not look like the cat he is now.

Wolverine I don't count because they could have switched him out at any time. I also wouldn't count elektra AND Black bolt dead yet....they may have not gotten out of the ship yet.

Jarvis may not be mindcontrolled, but not by Spiderwoman. Her phermones would have worn off being so far away from him.

Pym I actually thought was a skrull. I found it weird during the beginning of the HoM lead up that he had nothing to say when Tony cracked on the "you beat your wife issue".

[Maniac_nmt]

I think malakim2099 hit the nail on the head.

The Skrulls planned for the eventual escape attempt, and seeded some of the heros with fakes.

This way the real ones would land thinking the fakes were real heros and vouch for them.

The real heros on Earth would believe the real ones on the ship, and chaos would ensue when the first fake one is revealed.

Suddenly you have no clue who to trust.

Lastly. Whoever said Wolverine as a Skrull has been done, so has the Cap and FF Skrull wannabes. It gets reused because they are popular characters.

[BLACKHEART25]

Also I think black widow may be a skrull. It will be an interesting fight between the 2 teams. They totally cannot trust each other.

Are skrulls weak against mental powers?

A psychic should easily be able to tell whos who. Only the Avengers actually know of the skrulls invasion. Thunderbolts, X-men, and even the FF4 where kept in the dark.

And if anyone says xavier....I still think he and Darwin are skrulls.

[malger]

It is possible that the returning heroes are actually Skrulls themselves. They could be a convenient way to establish their credibility while brining in more skrulls to replace other heroes and villains.
Probably not, but it is a thought.

[CarlosMucha]

Jarvis isn't a Skrull; Mary Jane askes Mephisto to let him remember Peter-as-Spidey so that he could a) still remember his time with May and b) hopefully convince the Avengers to help. Instead, he went insane and willingly joined the Skrulls.


from were come that info of what MJ ask to Mephisto?

[da-Craig-O]

I love all of the interweb hate for Bendis. Suuuure. Everybody hates his writting. Just don't look at sales figures.

As for SI, I like a lot of the theories. Mine include:

Some of the 70's heroes are real and some are Skrulls. The 70's Wolverine is a Skrull for example. Luke Cage (current) is a Skrull. That would explain his phone call from Spider-Woman (skrull) and the call to Cloak (skrull). Bendis loves to torture his favorites and Jessica Jones is one of those he loves most. However, the real Luke has been trapped with a fake Jessica for years now. Has that love been duplicated out in space? The character can still grow along a similar path. It's not like time stopped for them when they were replaced.

No idea who is a Skrull on the T-Bolts. Maybe Moonstone as she hasn't done a whole lot in the series yet.

I hope the Beast is a Skrull so we can go back to the classic look. I can't think of any seminal Beast stories that I would miss.

As for powers that the Skrulls 'couldn't fake' like Wanda's magic or the like...you do realize they are giving super powers (multiple powers) to Super-Skrulls permanently, right? What constitutes a power that you could give someone and one you couldn't? How does that make sense? The whole thing is fantasy after all.

[CarlosMucha]

I hope Mephisto is a skrull and the real one come to kick his ### after OMD.

[Maniac_nmt]

No idea who is a Skrull on the T-Bolts. Maybe Moonstone as she hasn't done a whole lot in the series yet.

I doubt it though, as there was a whole huge thing with bringing back a comotose Moonstone prior to the current lineup.

If she is, she's a VERY recent swap out.

Radioactive Man seems possible though. People made comments about how he was differnet in the New Thunderbolts. Bendis could use that to have him be a Skrull (plus no one would expect a Green Skrull to hide out as a Green Man. Hiding in plain sight, brilliant).

[Cuz]

I love all of the interweb hate for Bendis. Suuuure. Everybody hates his writting. Just don't look at sales figures.

Artists like Britanny Spears are the same way. I despise her music, but she'll always outsell most of the stuff I listen to. I doubt that makes her better than the bands I do like though.

[malakim2099]

As for powers that the Skrulls 'couldn't fake' like Wanda's magic or the like...you do realize they are giving super powers (multiple powers) to Super-Skrulls permanently, right? What constitutes a power that you could give someone and one you couldn't? How does that make sense? The whole thing is fantasy after all.

Hey, if A.I.M. can fake Scarlet Witch's probability control/hex bolts (and they have, check out Modok's 11)? I'm pretty sure that the Skrull Empire which is far more advanced could manage somehow. ;)

And I don't think Darwin or Xavier are Skrulls. Skrull tech is advanced, but it's one thing to fool a couple Earthers. It's quite another to fool the freakin' M'Krann Crystal!

[Peers]

Thunderbolts: Osborne is the Skrull. The real Green Goblin was killed by his own Goblin Glider years ago. The Skrulls still laugh at the fact that people believe he's the real Norman Osborne.

[Komixfrk75]

[QUOTE=BLACKHEART25]I.

Wolverine I don't count because they could have switched him out at any time.
QUOTE]



Also this has been done before . When Wolverine was Death .

[Coglio987]

Someone said that they heard Nick Fury is coming back but he is a Skrull and a younger version is showing up as the "real" Nick Fury in another series...I hope Marvel goes hog wild and messes with us...It would make sense to have some skrulls and heroes together because they could brainwash the captured ones to think the others with them are real heroes too on the transport ship...I also hope at some point skrulls kill heroes and take their spot rather than knock them out or tie them up

[papyrus]

Except that Steve dying doesn't 'un-super-soldier' when dead. He already died during Operation: Rebirth, and didn't revert (and there the Super Soldier Serum had actually broken down).

The fact that he already died with the serum basically totally broken down, and didn't revert, means whoever/whatever died during Civil War/Post Civil War wasn't Cap.


OK, you wake up and Steve Rogers is showering in your bathroom. It was all a dream (ala Dallas).

Point is, to bring him back (especially again, especially with a cheap Skrull trick that does not explain recent past behavior) would cheapen and destroy an amazing epic, tradgety. Especially one written for a superhero comic. Especially considering the equally classic story of redemption, doubt, responsibility and guilt that is following it in the form of James Barnes picking up the shield.

[papyrus]

I'm concerned this will end campy.

I'm wondering what happens in other Earth's/Universes and if it connected (Ultimates, ANext, Squadron Supreme, etc). Is this going to be Crisis Marvel style?

I'm wondering which reality The Twelve are in?
They mention the Civil War in issue 1.
They could have all easily been Skrulls.
They have not been visited, mentored or challenged by current heroes/SHIELD, even now that the invasion has come to light.
Where is The Initiative? Isn't this in their charter?

Why would the Skrulls have kept those they replaced alive. The vacuum of space or being flung at a sun, would take care of most of them and are easily accessible to a spacefaring race.

Is this an opportunity for old villians and heroes to unite in a cause?

Were these Skrulls true "sleepers"? Even unaware of their true identities until recently, themselves? That can be the only explanation for their heroics up until now (even Iron Man was heroic in his cause during Civil War).

Or perhaps, the invasion is already further along on an alternate Earth, and that is where the alternate versions of the current heroes are coming from?

Do Skrulls expand into parallel deminsions? What happens when they meet their alternate reality counterparts?

The Illuminati? You mean all the time these guys were at odds, even physically at times, they were meeting to plot the future of superheroics involvement with humanity?


I'm sorry. I was impressed with Civil War, Caps Death and Bucky's return. I shook my head at World War Hulk and the Initiative. I think I'll be giggling at the silliness of the invasion saga. I'll be disappointed if The Twelve are left out of whatever the current crossover story line is (silly or not).

[gawain]

Okay, my predictions: Anyone with their own book? Not a Skrull. Spidey, Cap, Wolvie, Ms. Marvel, etc, all not Skrulls.

Anyone who's gone through a 'redemption' type arc (ie, White Queen) is not a Skrull.

I actually hope the current White Queen is a skrull. I liked her much better as a villain.

[Gambit]

I actually hope the current White Queen is a skrull. I liked her much better as a villain.

Same here.

I also agree about getting Beast back to his original look.

[gawain]

Quick question to throw out: I have a couple of friends that are convinced that Reed is dead at the end of this issue. Granted, he doesn't look too good, but I never considered the possibility of him being killed off after reading it initially. So, is he or is he not?

[Maniac_nmt]

I doubt he's dead, the gun probably made him loose control of his body/molecules. The Skrulls have used variations of that on him before.

[JEFFREYAS]

Maybe that way we can undo the injustices that have been perpetrated on us readers over his reign of error.:(

[yerfuneral]

I finally got the chance to read it.
I am in the middle. Nothing really screamed out wow to me except the confines of the crashed Skrull ship but then that kind of comes across ho hum since I been catching up on Battlestar Galactica all week, hence being slightly behind in my comics reading, to be ready for the new season.
Definitely interested to see where it goes unlike World War Hulk whose first issue made me decide and wait for trade.

[Paradox Factor]

I've been thinking alot about Secret Invasion and I've had alot of odd thoughts and theories. Here's a few

The Raft - Interesting that Mandril is on the Raft again. He did escape during the original breakout. And he was dead at hte time. The Grim Reaper killed him a while back and she showed up, like other dead super-villians, imprissoned on hte raft. I'm not saying he's a Skrull, but remember, the villians do represent a powerbase, like the Avengers, X-Men, ect. What better way to keep tabs on them then to have a few break out and slip back into circulation with the rest of them?

Echo - I've been thinking about this alot lately. Could the whole fight against the Skrull in NA been staged? Say Echo had already been replaced. She knows Wolverine is follwing her. She gets "ambushed" by the Skrull, that manages to take Wolvie out of the fight pretty easily. She then manages to drive it away. Again, I'm not calling her a Skrull, but she did get VERY lucky if she's not.

Spider-Woman - Is she or isn't she a Skrull? The last MA strongly hinted she was. But if she is, why turn Elektra's body over to Tony? Up to that point, only the NA had any clue about it. And by doing it, it did cause the Skrull posing as Black Bolt to reveal himself. Unless it was to sew the seeds of paranoia on the MA, and to get Tony to totaly trust her. The other thought could be she was replaced later, after she turned the body over.

the ship in the Savage Land - So, everyone payed attention to who got out of the ship, right? Well, here's a more importand thought. Who didn't? Of the present Avengers there, there was no Sentry, Black Widow, Ares, Echo, or Iron Fist. Echo is understandible, since she's a newer character. But the others all had 70's counterparts (Well, the Sentry was retconned to have one). I have no clue if this means anything (Heck, maybe they're still in the ship for all we know) But it is interesting to note.

He loves you - Obviously, this relates to the Skrull religion somehow. But, there hasn't been much done with the Skrull's gods yet. A quick search on the Appendix to the Handbook of the Marvel Universe comes up with Sl'gur't, a Skrull war god. http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix2/slgurtskrullwargod.htm

Sauron - Last point. Why was Sauron broken out of the Raft way back in NA? Out of everyone there, why target him? Maybe as a diversion? To let Skrull's posing as dead vllains out? then again Sauron has the power to feed on life forces. Mutant life energy turns him from Lykos to Sauron. What happens if he feeds on a Skrull?

[styx]

Maybe the Iron Man from the Quinjet is Jim Rhodes?

Not sure of the version of the Armor coming out of the Quinjet but I would love for this to be a reason for him to start showing up as IM's right hand man again.

[Peers]

I'll mark like a mofo if one of the 'Skrulls' suddenly turns on another Skrull to join the good guys, reveal themselves to be Siege Perilous-era Mystique in disguise, and the Mystique that's been randomly switching sides in the X-Books for the past few years was really a Skrull.

'cause really, if anyone can beat the Skrulls at their own game, it's her.

[Gambit]

Maybe the Iron Man from the Quinjet is Jim Rhodes?

Not sure of the version of the Armor coming out of the Quinjet but I would love for this to be a reason for him to start showing up as IM's right hand man again.

That would be sweet!

The Cap coming out of the jet is definately a skrull because of the who Invader/Avengers Alex Ross book and Brubaker said that secret invasion has no plans to affect his Captain America book. :(

[BLACKHEART25]

I believe the reason for sauron to be released had to do with the blonde cunning guy from weapon X (or possibly the director) I thought they wanted sauron back (I could be wrong).

The Echo thing seems like a well thought out plan.....she did understand what spiderman was saying with his mask on once.

I think "he loves you" has something to do with Nick Fury. A possible deal between him and the skrulls (Although I think he has strong patriotic beliefs to counter this). Seems strange that he hasn't shown himself OR relay information about the skrulls to Bucky.

Darwin was replaced in the rise of shi'ar story. I saw it. He was fighting some skrulls with Nightcrawler and ended up outside of the ship. We don't see what happens to the skrull, but Darwin comes back with a sinister look (or I could have read more into this). Either way he and Xavier were very close during this arc and now he suddenly disappears.........

[Milo Garret]

That would be sweet!

The Cap coming out of the jet is definately a skrull because of the who Invader/Avengers Alex Ross book and Brubaker said that secret invasion has no plans to affect his Captain America book. :(

Maybe it's a Skrull of John Walker. Or the real deal :ermm:

[Paradox Factor]

I believe the reason for sauron to be released had to do with the blonde cunning guy from weapon X (or possibly the director) I thought they wanted sauron back (I could be wrong).


Maybe. The revolt at the Weapon X compound didn't occur until M Day. But i don't recall it ever specificly said in NA who hired Electro. I've seen a few people say Brainchild, bu it seams a bit out of character for him. Unless Sauron was REALLY importand.

[Peers]

The Captain is a Skrull. Not Captain America... The Captain, from NextWave. After all, if you have vaguely-defined super-senses and other powers, then you don't have to worry about being consistent in how you mimic them.

Just a guess.

[Mr_JTR]

Sauron was released by a rogue SHEILD faction. In most part, to cover up the fact that Bendis had no idea where the story was going and just started making up stuff on the fly.

[Entertainer13]

Spider-Woman - Is she or isn't she a Skrull? The last MA strongly hinted she was. But if she is, why turn Elektra's body over to Tony? Up to that point, only the NA had any clue about it. And by doing it, it did cause the Skrull posing as Black Bolt to reveal himself. Unless it was to sew the seeds of paranoia on the MA, and to get Tony to totaly trust her. The other thought could be she was replaced later, after she turned the body over.
Because she knows he will go to two men right away to research it: Reed and Pym. She knows Pym will keep them from finding out the truth.

That's my guess, anyway.

[Mr_JTR]

The Captain is a Skrull. Not Captain America... The Captain, from NextWave. After all, if you have vaguely-defined super-senses and other powers, then you don't have to worry about being consistent in how you mimic them.

Just a guess.

The Cap from Next Wave? The one who got beat up by Cap America because of the cap's original name? I doubt he's a skrull... tho it would be fun to read about in the NW comic, if that comic were still being published.

[Mr_JTR]

and then Captain Marvel trashes the Thunderbolts, I thought it was clear that he was bad too. Did I miss that or misinterpret or do you agree with me?

Just remember what team his son was on when the kid was killed. Might not be the same team, but it's got the same name.

[Paradox Factor]

Just remember what team his son was on when the kid was killed. Might not be the same team, but it's got the same name.

And a few of the same members, including Songbird, one that he had very close feelings for (and vice-versa).

[oddjob1138]

Thunderbolts: Osborne is the Skrull. The real Green Goblin was killed by his own Goblin Glider years ago. The Skrulls still laugh at the fact that people believe he's the real Norman Osborne.


I like this one alot. Especially since they haven't been using him as a Spidey villian for years.

[BLACKHEART25]

Yeah, but Baron Zemo led his kid on the wrong path. Plus the kid was crraaazzzy anyway.

Hmmm. Hand ninja's being control by a skrull.....Wolverine and Northstar being brainwashed by them.....coincidence??? I think not.

I'm beginning to believe that some of the Skrulls don't know they're skrulls and now that the "secret" word is out they are back in control. I mean why would pym wait and attack now?

Also I really wanna see this fight between teams coming up. Even with Sentry on the MA's side they are horribly outmatched. I mean mockingbird's 17 defense with combat reflexes ain't nothing to laugh at!!

[styx]

I am also hoping that the Alpha Flight that was killed on New Avengers were all Skrulls. I really miss a good AF comic.

[Entertainer13]

I am also hoping that the Alpha Flight that was killed on New Avengers were all Skrulls. I really miss a good AF comic.
That would be the most hilarious thing, well... ever.

[BLACKHEART25]

I am also hoping that the Alpha Flight that was killed on New Avengers were all Skrulls. I really miss a good AF comic.
You wish. Not liking Talisman and the New Guardian???:cheeky:

[malakim2099]

Also I really wanna see this fight between teams coming up. Even with Sentry on the MA's side they are horribly outmatched. I mean mockingbird's 17 defense with combat reflexes ain't nothing to laugh at!!

Even worse, they have access to retired feats! You know they have Thunderbolts ATA and Wolvie is packing Auto-Regen.

[thepunisher27]

....or to fix Cap's death, or Tony Stark being such an $%&§$@ or the deaths of several characters (Stilt-Man, Jack'o'Lantern,...).
They can basically undo all they did in the last years by just saying: "It wasn't him/her it was a Skrull imposter"

I personally hope and x all fingers that Steve Rogers will return as Cap sooner or later!!
You talk like the Punisher blowing stilt man up with a bazooka is a bad thing......;) :p

[observer]

What can I say, but...MORE MORE MORE!!!!

[m0rpheus]

What is this "cool stuff" you speak of that Morrison brought to the X-Men? I know it wasnt the phoenix eggs, 'kick', weapon plus, xorn/magneto, fantomex, e.v.a, beak, angel salvadore, quentin quire, riot at xavier...

I liked the "Kick" bit and I liked that Xorn was Mags in disguise and that he died. They should've left him dead and not brought in another Xorn.
I hated all the retconning that came after GM left the book.

Exactly don't confuse what Morrison did with the garbage retcons that followed because Joey Q was mad and wanted to undo all the changes.

BTW Beak rules.

[Mr_JTR]

You talk like the Punisher blowing stilt man up with a bazooka is a bad thing......;) :p

Stilt Man getting shot by a bazooka is not a big deal, it's where the shell hit that's important. Talk about a junk shot. :cross-eye No man should take a bazooka shell to the crotch... unless his crime is of a sexual perversion, then by all means, shoot the bugger in the crotch with a bazooka.
;)

[Komixfrk75]

Stilt Man getting shot by a bazooka is not a big deal, it's where the shell hit that's important. Talk about a junk shot. :cross-eye No man should take a bazooka shell to the crotch... unless his crime is of a sexual perversion, then by all means, shoot the bugger in the crotch with a bazooka.
;)



Well I'm sure with those stilts he was looking on naked woman thru windows all the times. Does that count?.....:laugh:

[Darth Sabre]

I am also hoping that the Alpha Flight that was killed on New Avengers were all Skrulls. I really miss a good AF comic.

Please see the spoiler text if you want the 411...

They weren't skrulls, but they were also not the "real" AF...They were a past version of AF, brought to the future; while the real AF was transporting the Plodex back to their home planet.

[Mr_JTR]

Please see the spoiler text if you want the 411...

They weren't skrulls, but they were also not the "real" AF...They were a past version of AF, brought to the future; while the real AF was transporting the Plodex back to their home planet.

Stop with the Kang-esqe plotlines. There have been enough of those.

[Mr_JTR]

Well I'm sure with those stilts he was looking on naked woman thru windows all the times. Does that count?.....:laugh:

He only happened to see Mary Jane once, it was an honest accident.

Feel sorry for anyone walking by underneath him.

[Valentyne]

You talk like the Punisher blowing stilt man up with a bazooka is a bad thing......;) :p

It isn't. Not having the officials from the Guiness Book of World Records for the longest crotch shot IS a bad thing.

And somewhat tragic.

[Ouchmaker]

Stop with the Kang-esqe plotlines. There have been enough of those.

No, it's true, there was a lot of time-travelling in the latest Alpha Flight series, which ended with the current AF leaving for Plodex (a trip which was supposed to take years), and meanwhile they managed to bring an AF from the past to the present.

And seen as it was those exact members that were caught in the Collective destruction, all might not be lost. Only Major Mapleleaf and Puck's daughter... Puck seemed to be killed. The others might still be in there somewhere. Who knows.

[Paradox Factor]

No, it's true, there was a lot of time-travelling in the latest Alpha Flight series, which ended with the current AF leaving for Plodex (a trip which was supposed to take years), and meanwhile they managed to bring an AF from the past to the present.

And seen as it was those exact members that were caught in the Collective destruction, all might not be lost. Only Major Mapleleaf and Puck's daughter... Puck seemed to be killed. The others might still be in there somewhere. Who knows.

Of course given that Major Mapleleaf was there without his horse. the source of all his powers, shows that Bendis wasn't 100% up on Alpha Flight, and their deaths were partially don to sweep volume 3 under the rug (The humorous Alpha Flight). I love Alpha Flight, but I have an unfortunent feeling we arn't going to see them again any time soon.

[papyrus]

What about the Red Skull and Dr. Faustus (sp?)?

How does the current Cap thread fit into the Secret Invasion?

Are there 3 Caps running around?

Hey, wouldn't the Twelve be interested in the Red Skull? His likeness appears in issue 1.


I'm already loosing my suspension of disbelief. Too much goes on in parallel, with the same characters (Iron Man forex) and does not appear to affect each other consistently.

[l'HôtelDauphin]

At the end of the Illuminati series, didn't Tony Stark bring the Elektra body to their attention? Because in the beginning of Secret Invasion #1 he is showing Reed Richards the body and telling him about how it was undetectable, etc. Is this a mistake, or am I remembering things different than they happened?

[dariusq]

I do wonder "who" in HoM was a skrull and "what" character has the power to stop this invasion from that story? My bet is on layla or Quicksilver (at least being the skrull). Good day today yes indeed.............

It's been awhile since I read HoM but I'm willing to bet it's Scarlet Witch. My theory is that Layla is just an embodiment of Wanda's subconscious and that one day she's going to finally 'wake up' from her madness and fix everything she's messed up. In other words, think of the current state of the Marvel U (after HoM) as being a bubble universe much like Heroes Reborn only kept a secret. Say, doesn't that mean Franklin Richards could save the Marvel U again too?

[Paradox Factor]

At the end of the Illuminati series, didn't Tony Stark bring the Elektra body to their attention? Because in the beginning of Secret Invasion #1 he is showing Reed Richards the body and telling him about how it was undetectable, etc. Is this a mistake, or am I remembering things different than they happened?

No your right. But remember Pym wasn't at the Illuminati meeting and was at the lab where the body was turned over. After WWH, I'm willing to bet Tony and Reed don't want to advertize that the Illuminauti got together again. Or the fact that Black Bolt got replaced and the Illuminati don't trust each other anymore. So Reed plays dumb and takes all this like he hadn't heared it before. Atleast that's my take on it.

[echopryme]

All I care about in this whole thing is Xavin (from Runaways, if you're one of the people that forgot that they do have a comic... occasionally).


Why?


He's openly a Skrull. What the hell is he gonna think about all this?!?!

[Mr_JTR]

All I care about in this whole thing is Xavin (from Runaways, if you're one of the people that forgot that they do have a comic... occasionally).


Why?


He's openly a Skrull. What the hell is he gonna think about all this?!?!

Then there's the YA Skrull, who was sired by Cap Marvel. Then there's the one with the ring carved out of a cosmic cube, which makes no sense, since the cube is only a container and not the power itself.

[lokieh]

Marvel might be going on the assumption that only a few days has passed since Illuminati #5 and Secret Invasion... time in the Marvel Universe is a funny thing. So Mr. Fantastic acting surprised might be to keep up appearances of their secrect cabal...while still leaving Hank in the dark that the Illuminti still is operating. ...sort of.
Of the hereos that crashed I really think Hawkeye is the real Hawkeye...they never really explauined how after the Kree/Skrull war he got back to earth. The 70's Wolverine is a Skrull, if not Origins was a total waste of time and effort. the Iron man, Captain America are skrulls ...too much effort has gone into those characters. I think Beast and the White Queen are real...of their counterparts they are the only two with a secondary Mutation. The bald Luke Cage and Spider woman are Skrulls...way back in New Avengers when they were in the Savage Land and ran into Wolverine...he said he didn't recognize their scents, which he should since he has worked with both before and even lived with Jessica drew with the xmen. as for Ms. Marvel in the ship...hey the kree kidnapped her, the Brood kidnapped her...why not go for the alien trifecta!

[echopryme]

Then there's the YA Skrull, who was sired by Cap Marvel. Then there's the one with the ring carved out of a cosmic cube, which makes no sense, since the cube is only a container and not the power itself.

Let's not forget that somewhere is The Shaper of Worlds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaper_of_Worlds) (But who apparently, like Rob Liefeld, can't pull off feet though) that actually IS a Cosmic Cube...



Seriously though, I don't know if Superboy Prime can punch a wall and fix this mess Joe Q. has made, but I'm willing to give it a try just out of anger and frustration. But hey, I'm sure Jeph Loeb will make it all better when he can clear time out of his busy schedule actually do his job by re-launching something yet again.

Stan Lee is rolling in his theoretical grave (and a pile of money) already.

[Mr_JTR]

Let's not forget that somewhere is The Shaper of Worlds (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shaper_of_Worlds) (But who apparently, like Rob Liefeld, can't pull off feet though) that actually IS a Cosmic Cube...



Seriously though, I don't know if Superboy Prime can punch a wall and fix this mess Joe Q. has made, but I'm willing to give it a try just out of anger and frustration. But hey, I'm sure Jeph Loeb will make it all better when he can clear time out of his busy schedule actually do his job by re-launching something yet again.

Stan Lee is rolling in his theoretical grave (and a pile of money) already.

Now, if you had one of those cubes, you could alter things for your own comfort.

[mick77]

http://forum.wizkidsgames.com/showthread.php?t=55930
this is the link to my favorite fan fic. It's called what if Superman was an X-man. If you read it, you will find that there are a good portion called the Skrull Invasion, if Marvel's secret Invasion if half has good has did one, I won't be disappointed.

[wilburpenguin]

It seems that Marvel are digging themselves another hole. If YOU were a Skrull commander and you had captured some of Earth's heroes, YOU WOULD HAVE KILLED THEM ONCE THEY HAD BEEN REPLACED.

Bringing back heroes who had been "captured" some time in the past is a cop-out.

And Cap? If he is really dead, cancel the title. Bringing back another dead character to replace him (the horrible Bucky) is ludicrous.

[Batedude27]

WARNING SPOILERS:
I think that most the heros on earth are skrulls or at lease skrulls that are sleeper agents waiting to be activated and that the heroes that landed in the skrull ship and came out in there old costumes are the real heroes that had been captured or whatever along time ago. This is why I think that: 1.) All the skrulls in the first issues kept saying "he loves you" right before they did something that could kill a hero,ect. Example Javis overloading Ironmans armor, Hank shooting Reed,ect. Each one of they examples were in the position of learning the truth. The he they where talking about could be the skrull king. Why esle would they say that. The king is not going to tell a human he loves them, skrulls hate humans.Think about it, Marvels heros have been doing a whole or stuff out of character:hank beating Jan,Professor X, walking again and then not then walking again, Scott summers dating the white Queen,Cap being killed, ECT. Not to mention all the heroes dying and coming back to life; Thor, Hawkeye, Ect. What a prefect yet lame way to reset every thing: THEY WHERE ALL SKRULLS AND THE REAL HEROES WHERE CAPTURED. Then you got the Kree heroes on earth up to something; Cap. Marvel attacks the T-BOLTS, Marvel noy breaks out of jail, yet neither one sayes he loves you and it is left open to why they are doing these things. I bet Fury went into hidding because of the skrulls were every where and he is getting help from the kree.What do you guys think?
I would have hidden the spoilers with the boxes but I do not know how, sorry.

[papyrus]

It seems that Marvel are digging themselves another hole. If YOU were a Skrull commander and you had captured some of Earth's heroes, YOU WOULD HAVE KILLED THEM ONCE THEY HAD BEEN REPLACED.

Bringing back heroes who had been "captured" some time in the past is a cop-out.

And Cap? If he is really dead, cancel the title. Bringing back another dead character to replace him (the horrible Bucky) is ludicrous.


I agree with the comment on Skrulls killing the replaced heroes, see my previous post.

If I had not read, and only heard about, the Bucky returns to be Cap story, I would've agreed with you there too. But, reading it is and the depth of it, makes it part of the reason I do not want them to undo Steve Roger's death (Skrull, time travel, clone, or otherwise).

If you've read the whole build up, and still feel that way, then fine.
If you have not, you should try it.

Until then, we should all remember, opinions are like cowboy hats, sooner or later, every butt-head gets one. Then laugh at ourselves for feeling so strongly about our comicbook opinions.

[Komixfrk75]

And Cap? If he is really dead, cancel the title. Bringing back another dead character to replace him (the horrible Bucky) is ludicrous.


Are you even reading this book. This is by far the best book Marvel has out right now. And Bucky as Cap is cool as hell.


On a side note has anyone actually read the Skrull Files free comic they gave out a couple a weeks ago. I also think the only heroes from the ship that aren't Skrulls are Jewel, Mockingbird,White Queen and Beast.

The baby Luke and Jessica had is a skrull baby....So one of them has to be a Skrull.

I noticed that the talk about the FF fighting Skrulls and being around in the 60's would this put most of them in there 70 or 80's age wise.

[Maniac_nmt]

Are you even reading this book. This is by far the best book Marvel has out right now. And Bucky as Cap is cool as hell.



I have to disagree. Bucky was much better as Winter Soldier, and randomly killing Cap off because you don't like moralistic people (more or less Joe Q said Cap didn't belong as a hero in modern America, was outdated and basically unimportant)....

Lousy in comparisson to what it was. It's just Death of Superman for Marvel.

[BLACKHEART25]

I don't know about the older characters being real. Some of those outfits are really old: Ms. marvel, Wolverine , Mockingbird, Thor, Beast for example. White queen would have had to be switched out sometime around joining the X-men (being the only villain that was captured makes no sense....add to that the fact that she isn't exactly a "key" villain to capture also is weird) and maybe Beast was captured sometime around his defender era. It really is all to weird. I doubt the skrulls know a characters' past history. Unless they have some telepath that encodes a captured characters history and stores it in the replacement's brain. This way these skrulls may seem to know everything about that captured person.

The only problem I see with this is that some characters can't be breached telepathically (Wolverine, Elektra) unless they want it. So wolverine should be "real" on the NA side if this is the case.

[lokieh]

Marvel boy isn't in jail...he became warden of the Cube during the Young Avengers/Runaways civil war story.

[BigSoph]

Wow, secret invasion has familiar characters replaced with alien invaders... nothing at alllike DC's Millenium story with the Manhunters

Nothing at all

Just like Civil War had nothing in common with Legends...

[Maniac_nmt]

I don't know about the older characters being real. Some of those outfits are really old: Ms. marvel, Wolverine , Mockingbird, Thor, Beast for example. White queen would have had to be switched out sometime around joining the X-men (being the only villain that was captured makes no sense....add to that the fact that she isn't exactly a "key" villain to capture also is weird) and maybe Beast was captured sometime around his defender era.

Thor, we know, is a Skrull (on that ship). If you read his mag, Thor currently was just woken up by Don Blake (from his cosmic Odin Sleep). You wouldn't be waking up a skrull that way.

Plus he's clearly been demonstrating the Odin Power, not something the Skrulls could replicate easily.

I'd bet even money Hawkeye is real though, going all the way back to the Kree Skrull War. Although he should have his Goliath costume, but 'eh. We know someone goes back that far, and he was the hero that went missing for an issue (when everyone escaped Goliath/Hawkeye wasn't with them, only to later show back up like nothing had happened).

[Komixfrk75]

I have to disagree. Bucky was much better as Winter Soldier, and randomly killing Cap off because you don't like moralistic people (more or less Joe Q said Cap didn't belong as a hero in modern America, was outdated and basically unimportant)....

Lousy in comparisson to what it was. It's just Death of Superman for Marvel.



And this is your opinion which you are entitled to. I don't agree...I like him as Capt it gives the character a fresh look.

[PaxZRake]

I have to disagree. Bucky was much better as Winter Soldier, and randomly killing Cap off because you don't like moralistic people (more or less Joe Q said Cap didn't belong as a hero in modern America, was outdated and basically unimportant)....

Lousy in comparisson to what it was. It's just Death of Superman for Marvel.

Bucky is better off being Bucky. That's kind of the point of the current arc in Captain America. Bru is examining Steve Rogers from the perspective of someone trying to step into his shoes. The point is that Bucky can't, because the forces that Steve embodies aren't just in the costume.

Killing Cap wasn't random, it was planned. Everything that has happened since Bru took over the title was leading to it.

Joe Q said that the point that the reporter in Civil War Frontline was trying to get across was that Cap probably wasn't in touch with the current tech savvy generation. That was written by Jenkins, not Quesada, which still isn't really relevant, as characters don't typically speak as mouthpieces for creators. Except when they do, but that's mostly impossible to decipher from the books.

Death of Superman was similar in concept, an exploration of Superman (though it was much more about launching new titles), but I'd argue laking much in terms of execution.

[PaxZRake]

Wow, secret invasion has familiar characters replaced with alien invaders... nothing at alllike DC's Millenium story with the Manhunters

Nothing at all

Just like Civil War had nothing in common with Legends...

I'm unsure of what you're trying to say here.

Are you saying that Secret Invasion isn't all that good because it has something superficially in common with another work?

I don't see how that's hugely important, to me anyhow. But I've seen Invasion of the Bodysnatchers, read Tommyknockers, and even read the first appearance of the Skrulls in the pages of Fantastic Four, and that never stopped my enjoyment of any title with a small similarity.

Thematically, Legends and Civil War are very different. Legends is about the need for heroes. Civil War was about the consequences of living in a world filled with people with super powers. (though, god, comparing Civil War to Legends is just insane to me. Legends is a freaking classic, Civil War is a blockbuster)

[Maniac_nmt]

Killing Cap wasn't random, it was planned. Everything that has happened since Bru took over the title was leading to it.

Brubaker was originally going to just have Steve out of the picture for a while. Killing him, and making it stick wasn't the original plan.

Doing what's right never goes out of style, even if today's 'youth' have lost touch with what's right.

[UndeadEnigma]

Reading all of this makes me laugh. So much comic geekery is just oozing out of my monitor. Not that I'm not one myself, mind you I just find this funny.

I think Bendis is going to flip the script on who we think is a skrull several times. Look at how much confusion has already taken place. Nothing will remain as it seems in my eyes. This is good writing in my opinion. I've been following most of the titles and I'm intrigued to see just where he's going with this.

Random thoughts...

Dum Dum as a Skrull? Awesome. Now we could get a Dum Dum Dugan click in SI.

Jarvis as a Skrull agent? I dug that one as well. It proves that jerk Tony isn't one as far as I can see. Plus, it explains many events that didn't quite make sense with the Avengers.

Sue as a Skrull was pretty good. I'm not a fantastic four avid reader but having her there leaves room for chaos.

Pym as a Skrull I kind of called that just opening the book. Never the less, it's a good move and really shakes things up in the MU.

Potential Skrulls like Norman Osbourne, Moonstone, Daredevil, Luke Cage, Radioactive Man, The White Queen, Professor Xavier, Captain America, and Wolverine...

All I can say is I'm hoping that Luke Cage isn't a Skrull. I like the character as he is now, plus kicking the tar outta the 70's cage Skrull would make a good read.

Moonstone I think is a good guess. For the comment about she's not doing anything let me refer you to this. Moonstone is a psychologist. She's been drugging Norman, plotting to get Songbird Killed, and constantly is trying to seize control of the team. If that isn't something significant I don't know what is. However she in her heart has always been a villain, so this is right in character and not so skrully.

Norman as a skrull doesn't make much sense, at least not to me. Especially if they made the switch after his death. The green goblin was not that much of a tent pole as he is now, the swap would have had to occurred before Stark appointed him in charge of the Thunderbolts. Plus he's being drugged. To have him as a skrull with that factor is just odd.

The White Queen I like as a potential Skrull. She's taken much power from the team and it would make sense if this was all planned to undermine the influence of the mutant faction.

Captain America in my opinion has been the best read it has ever been, to make him a Skrull would just sour Brubaker's work. It makes more sense that his death was orchestrated directly or indirectly by a skrull agent. An effect of the invasion that hurts the MU.

The rest of them mentioned above, I have a wait and see attitude about. I haven't read enough to form a solid opinion on.

I say make mine skrully, cause I'm looking forward to the ride...

[Smurf Torch]

I am enjoying Secret Invasion a lot. My next question is who is gonna be the biggest baddest skrull around, not including Super Skrull?

[PaxZRake]

Brubaker was originally going to just have Steve out of the picture for a while. Killing him, and making it stick wasn't the original plan.

Doing what's right never goes out of style, even if today's 'youth' have lost touch with what's right.

The death isn't going to stick. Bru has said as much. So Steve is out of the picture for a while. Mission accomplished.

Doing what's right wasn't the issue. The reporter in Frontline was talking specifically about technology and the disconnect that the information generation has with it's predecessors. I think it was clumsily handled, and really would have worked much better in the Ultimate U where Cap had just come out of the ice, but that's the reporter's point. Though there is a point in there somewhere that's worth talking, Steve Rogers probably isn't the best person to have on the opposing side.

Now if someone did a storyline with that topic between someone like Iron Man and Doom, I'd be interested, but it isn't really relevant to Rogers, since his brand of heroism and inspiration is timeless.

[Entertainer13]

The death isn't going to stick. Bru has said as much. So Steve is out of the picture for a while. Mission accomplished.

Doing what's right wasn't the issue. The reporter in Frontline was talking specifically about technology and the disconnect that the information generation has with it's predecessors. I think it was clumsily handled, and really would have worked much better in the Ultimate U where Cap had just come out of the ice, but that's the reporter's point. Though there is a point in there somewhere that's worth talking, Steve Rogers probably isn't the best person to have on the opposing side.

Now if someone did a storyline with that topic between someone like Iron Man and Doom, I'd be interested, but it isn't really relevant to Rogers, since his brand of heroism and inspiration is timeless.*starts slow clap, looks around awkardly, stops*

[Mr_JTR]

And I suppose they will use this to one again retcon The Beyonder. He used to be a god, more powerful then even the Tri-Judge, then he was only little more then half a cosmic-cube, now, he's a mutant Inhuman. So, why not make him to be in reality a Skrull? Welcome to the Quesada-verse.

[Mr_JTR]

Ben Reily was really a skrull. Norman Osborn? Skrull. Mary Jane? Hyborean Age time-traveling female warrior, by Crom. Godzilla? Skrull. Super Pro? Who cares?

[echopryme]

Ben Reily was really a skrull. Norman Osborn? Skrull. Mary Jane? Hyborean Age time-traveling female warrior, by Crom. Godzilla? Skrull. Super Pro? Who cares?

Let's not forget the Skrull Kill Krew... you just know that Joe q will make them Skrulls.


See, it's all a huge conspiracy...

[Mr_JTR]

Let's not forget the Skrull Kill Krew... you just know that Joe q will make them Skrulls.


See, it's all a huge conspiracy...

Nah, they'll all turn out to be Brood.

[Firestar07]

I hope that wolverine is not a skrull I have been a fan of him for a very long time. I think he should be "real" Wolverine has always been a but kicker, so replacing him would not be to hard but then it would change all the comics because if he is a skrull then how is he remembering things only wolverine could, also with the weapon x programing and mind shields they imbeded in him how did they manage to get the replacement to be wolvine. I also think the death of cap was messed up, good read, sure but I think steve rogers should come back. I have not read the new Bucky as Cap comics but i just like Steve Rogers as Captain America. He had a way about him that was destinked and fun to read.

[AEONFLUX]

I liked it, but I did not go "zOMGroXXorzz!!"




Just seemed a little forced, but fun...


Kinda like prom night.

[Mr_JTR]

I hope that wolverine is not a skrull I have been a fan of him for a very long time. I think he should be "real" Wolverine has always been a but kicker, so replacing him would not be to hard but then it would change all the comics because if he is a skrull then how is he remembering things only wolverine could, also with the weapon x programing and mind shields they imbeded in him how did they manage to get the replacement to be wolvine.

He was replaced by a Skrull once, it could've happened again, but I doubt he's a Skrull.

i just like Steve Rogers as Captain America. He had a way about him that was destinked and fun to read.

"destinked" ? You mean like when you have a pet Skunk and take him to the vet to have the scent glands removed, he's "destinked" ? Or did you mean "Distinct"?

[StormCrawler]

I really love part 1. It's all one great mind game now, and it has me looking forward to part 2 like I'm looking forward to the next episode of Lost each week.

Ever since the Founders on DS9 I do find shape-shifting a bit of a cheap ploy to create tension, mistrust, and powerful villains, but it doesn't make it any less funny and exciting to read.

I'm really interested in seeing how this relates to the big events the last couple of years. Civil War instigated by Skrulls? Did they have anything to do with the Stamford incident? Is the Initiave actually 'a Skrull in every state', instead of 'a superhero team in every state'? And what about 'no more mutants'? Perhaps the 'mutants' who didn't lose their powers, are actually Skrulls. That'd explain why mostly powerful and more famous mutants kept their powers: it'd make sense the Skrull would replace the mutants in key positions.

On a side note: shouldn't there be something to tell from blood? If anyone was cut unexpectedly somehow, wouldn't they bleed green instead of red?

[Peers]

I am enjoying Secret Invasion a lot. My next question is who is gonna be the biggest baddest skrull around, not including Super Skrull?

Sentry.

To mis-quote The Usual Suspects, "The biggest trick The Sentry ever pulled was convincing people he existed."

[Entertainer13]

Sentry.

To mis-quote The Usual Suspects, "The biggest trick The Sentry ever pulled was convincing people he existed."
I would laugh non-stop at that.

"Oh, my wife! Oh, I'm so hesitant... Hah! You sould see the looks on your faces."

[Maniac_nmt]

I would laugh non-stop at that.

"Oh, my wife! Oh, I'm so hesitant... Hah! You sould see the looks on your faces."

We're not that lucky.

[Mr_JTR]

Sentry's biggest fan might be a Skrull. It'd explain their love of Sentry.

[DeltaPi1049]

I loved the first issue, really a true problem instead of Civil War which wasnt THAT much of a tangible problem. This is great - who is who? Loved the scene with Mr. Fantasitc being blown to snot.

I Really hope there arent TOO many retcons though. I can see this as Joe Q wiping the slate clean and starting from scratch. I dont want that.

I think it would be really funny if MJ turned out to be a skrull and OMD was taken to a whole new awful level. I would laugh and stop buying comics for good.

[Komixfrk75]

I

I think it would be really funny if MJ turned out to be a skrull and OMD was taken to a whole new awful level. I would laugh and stop buying comics for good.



Wait your still buying it now......Damn you have tolerance.

[operative128]

This is all some alternate reality created by the scarlet witch... wait, they already did that. Never mind!

[JGonspy]

Sentry's biggest fan might be a Skrull. It'd explain their love of Sentry.

That sounds like something a Skrull would say.

Don't worry, fresh off his victory over Dr. Doom, Sentry will be tossing Skrulls into the sun shortly.

[Mr_JTR]

Wait your still buying it now......Damn you have tolerance.

sounds more like he's a masochist.

[Mr_JTR]

That sounds like something a Skrull would say.

Never said I wasn't, nor said I was. But, I will say I'm not written by Bendis or edited by Joephisto.

Don't worry, fresh off his victory over Dr. Doom, Sentry will be tossing Skrulls into the sun shortly.

I still think Doom lost on purpose. Afterall, he is Dr Doom and Dr Doom never really loses, not even his virginity, which might explain some things about his personality. That aside, I think Squirrel Girl could kick Sentry's butt.
:speechles

[JGonspy]

Never said I wasn't, nor said I was. But, I will say I'm not written by Bendis or edited by Joephisto.



I still think Doom lost on purpose. Afterall, he is Dr Doom and Dr Doom never really loses, not even his virginity, which might explain some things about his personality. That aside, I think Squirrel Girl could kick Sentry's butt.
:speechles

Well, it's obvious you aren't written by Bendis. If you were your posts would be about three times as long.

Also, I think Doom lost on purpose as well, but I don't think he expected to go down quite so quickly but rather being dragged down by the Avengers. Maybe. It's hard to tell with Bendis sometimes, but I'm guessing in this case the resolution won't make a whole lot of sense. And we know Sentry can beat anyone and he's awesome. No need to turn this into Sentry thread #546

[Mr_JTR]

And we know Sentry can beat anyone and he's awesome. No need to turn this into Sentry thread #546

Three words to prove you're wrong;

The Incredible Hulk.

[DeltaPi1049]

Wait your still buying it now......Damn you have tolerance.

Spider-man? No, stopped buying after OMD.

Secret invasion? Yes. Green Lantern? Yes. Thats it.

[evilevil]

I just figured it out. I know what is going to happen.

In an issue of the Illuminati, all the Illuminati Got a Infinity Gem.

They will assemle the Guantlet and fix everything.
Or

The Soul Gem detects the Scrulls.
The reality Gem Somehow fix things.
But the Gems will be used.

Oh and the Beyonder will be used!

[JGonspy]

Three words to prove you're wrong;

The Incredible Hulk.

Didn't we already go over this? Well, you should know my response, no need to hijack the thread.

[Mr_JTR]

Spider-man? No, stopped buying after OMD.

Secret invasion? Yes. Green Lantern? Yes. Thats it.


Would you buy a comicbook based on the real-life adventures of Jim Nabors?

[Mr_JTR]

Didn't we already go over this? Well, you should know my response, no need to hijack the thread.

Yes, I know, your response would be "Oh, yeah, I forgot all about that, must be Sentry's power to make people forget all about him and how he's really a Skrull. Oh, and I bet Thor could whup him good too".
That's be how you respond. And it's an honest response, too. ;)

[echopryme]

Would you buy a comicbook based on the real-life adventures of Jim Nabors?


I bet if Alex Ross did the covers, people would say it was ####ing genius.




And I'd still be shaking my head in embarrassment, as always.
:p

[JGonspy]

Yes, I know, your response would be "Oh, yeah, I forgot all about that, must be Sentry's power to make people forget all about him and how he's really a Skrull. Oh, and I bet Thor could whup him good too".
That's be how you respond. And it's an honest response, too. ;)

Nice retcon there Joephisto. Glad you could admit you're yourself :grin:

[Mr_JTR]

Nice retcon there Joephisto. Glad you could admit you're yourself :grin:

I'm not Joephisto. I don't find Frontman at all attractive.

[BLACKHEART25]

Can the skrulls just assume a person's form and gain that person's powers? I could have sworn there is usually a process to do so.

Skrulls couldn't have replaced Blackbolt wayy back in Illuminati or they would have one of the infinity gems....

[Paradox Factor]

Can the skrulls just assume a person's form and gain that person's powers? I could have sworn there is usually a process to do so.

Skrulls couldn't have replaced Blackbolt wayy back in Illuminati or they would have one of the infinity gems....

A Skrull can't just duplicate superpowers by shapeshifting. They need to be geneticly engenered into a Super Skrull to be able to possess super powers. (In the past. As of now with SI, who knows what the process is).
We've seen a few in the past. PAibok had the original 5 X-Men's powers. Super-Skrull and Xavin of the Runaways have the Fantastic Four. The newer Super Skrulls in SI seem similarly patterened. So far we've seen three with X-Men powers (Cyc, Collosus, Nightcrawler, Wolverine, and an atleast one had an unknown flame power). Another, the one posing as Black Bolt, had the Illuminati's powers (Look up the free SI special that came out recaping the events up to before SI 1. It's mentioned there). And the last one in Illuminati had a duplicate of Thor's hammer. No clue on other powers it may have had.

[DrunkZombie]

[QUOTE=Peers]Sentry.

nah cant be sentry hes the red hulk

[Batman17]

I keep getting the feeling that all the heroes on the downed ship aren't skrulls and some sort of reality altering/time travelling/deimensional pocket-type device was used.

Which would be sort've ridiculous. But hey, wierder sci-fier things have happened.

I'm also guessing that Nick Fury was the first Skrull and started the whole mess in the first New Avengers arc.

Course both are just wild speculations.

[Komixfrk75]

I keep getting the feeling that all the heroes on the downed ship aren't skrulls and some sort of reality altering/time travelling/deimensional pocket-type device was used.

Which would be sort've ridiculous. But hey, wierder sci-fier things have happened.

I'm also guessing that Nick Fury was the first Skrull and started the whole mess in the first New Avengers arc.

Course both are just wild speculations.



Nick Fury isn't a Skrull....He was the only one who realized something was going on. This was all the way back to Secret War.

[RSX-Nova]

Ok so here is who will be able to detect the skrulls.

The Marvel Zombies!

Reasons:
-The zombies were able to sense that a skrull was posing as Thanos during the black panther crossover.
-At the end of MZ2 the zombies were sent to another dimenson by cortez. Why cant it be 616?
-MZ2 ends with "The End?"
-This would be a perfect way for Marvel beat one of their undead cash cows

Scenerio:
Secret Invasion is a true prologue to the MZ universe! Doctor Strange will find a spell that lets the Sentry find the skrulls but the plan falls apart. The sentry goes crazy again, this time with a thirst for blood, and the scientist are forced to send him off. An alternate form of magneto transmits a message that he will accept the golden guardian and the rest is history.

You heard it here first.


I would laugh and sob at the same time if this were true.

[sluggo]

This story arc is one I was very tenative about, has the potential to be very good or be completely terrible.

I do think it got off to a good start.

As for some of the questions I've seen come up in this thread:

I don't think they are going to use this as a big reset button. The current group of editors and writters all seem to very progressively minded, they want to make changes and use them to drive their stoires and characters. I'm also pretty sure that Bendis did say a couple months ago that he won't be doing that.

As for the people that hte Skrulls are impersonating, I think it depends on the person. Some people, like Elektra, they probably took her place after she died (one of the times) so she is probably dead. Blackbolt is probably being held somewhere. etc.....

[Draggor]

As for the people that hte Skrulls are impersonating, I think it depends on the person. Some people, like Elektra, they probably took her place after she died (one of the times) so she is probably dead. Blackbolt is probably being held somewhere. etc.....

I would assume there's some sort of gene splicing involved and the skrulls need a sample of the originals dna in order to gain their powers. They probably have everyone they've replaced 'on ice' so to speak in case they need them again or want to give other skrulls the same powers. Imagine a whole regiment of super skrulls.

[wilburpenguin]

The seventies-style heroes on the crashed ship are for the artist's sake. When the Thors, Luke Cages, Iron Men, Beasts, White Queens and Captain Americas end up fighting each other, the different costumes (retro and modern) will make it easier to spot who is winning.

[sluggo]

I would assume there's some sort of gene splicing involved and the skrulls need a sample of the originals dna in order to gain their powers. They probably have everyone they've replaced 'on ice' so to speak in case they need them again or want to give other skrulls the same powers. Imagine a whole regiment of super skrulls.

Needed Elektra's DNA doesn't mean she ahs to be alive.

[Batman17]

Needed Elektra's DNA doesn't mean she ahs to be alive.

No no n on o no no no NOT DNA.


They need BRAINS. WONDERFUL DELICIOUS BRAINS.

As for Nick Fury, he's soooooo Skrully it's ridiculous!

Just think! He dissapeared when they showed up! HOW OBVIOUS IS THAT?!?


...(jk) ;)


...although I wouldn't be surprised if I'm right. Just amazed at how smart I am.