Fellowship decided by Dice Roll or Judge Decision

[GentlemenThiefLupin]

Guys I posted a thread on the other forums asking what stores around still decide fellowship prizes by dice roll.But that made me think of this poll.So how do you prefer a fellowship prize get decided...dice roll or judge decision?

[K-Ness]

There's a poll?

Anyway, I determine who gets fellowship. No dice or player voting.

[biz567]

It should never be dice because that just goes against what Fellowship is about.

[TheInkTank]

At our venue, we do dice roll (for everyone except whoever won the evenings event).

Basically, I wouldn't want to have to pick one guy because our group is pretty awesome in how helpful they are and the good fellowship all around. It's the very rare instance where we have perhaps one person we wouldn't give fellowship to.

[GentlemenThiefLupin]

And thats why I myself personally prefer dice roll.Yes we may tease and say stuff like "critical miss"before the player we are against gets done rolling his or her dice.but in the end we all realize one thing "Its just a game".And in the end everyone deserves a fair,equal shot at a prize.

[Iceman425]

I really think placing it in the hands of the Judge is much better than the die roll. I think that player voting should always play a part in it, though.

At more than one venue I have played at over time, the players would vote and then turn them into the judge. The judge would then count the ballots and usually award the fellowship to the player with the most peer votes. He always had veto power in the case of something fishy happening though, or if that same person had won multiple fellowship prizes in the past few tournies.

[Space Jawa]

Considering that the Judge's decision could include agreeing with whatever the roll of a die happens to be...

[RavenProject]

At our venue, we do dice roll (for everyone except whoever won the evenings event).

Basically, I wouldn't want to have to pick one guy because our group is pretty awesome in how helpful they are and the good fellowship all around. It's the very rare instance where we have perhaps one person we wouldn't give fellowship to.
Then the Judge just has to remember to spread things around if they're constantly equal.

-J

[HappyTrain]

I prefer dice roll. When a person decides, there is always room for corruption. "Oh here, it looks like my good friend Tom gets fellowship again for having the best attitude."
I know there are a lot of well meaning judges out there, but the dice can't help but be impartial.

[StormX]

At my venue, they players vote, but only as a tool for the judge to make the ultimate decision.

I'm not going to ever do a dice roll, because the prize is supposed to mean something, that the player getting it was the most deserving, not the person with the best roll at a given point in time.

[St-Dumas]

Judge decides. Some people who attend my venue usually don't deserve fellowship.

[MrFurious87]

We do neither where I play. If the prize is worth-while we have a vote and our judge goes with what we the players think about the other players. If it isn't anything really important we give the prize to second place unless that player is really non deserving.

[Marshal Law]

Fellowship by dice roll is basically a cop out for judges not wanting to make a decision that comes with the role's responsibilities. I can understand the desire to avoid looking like they're playing favorites (and I've met more than a few envoys who do exactly that), but it quickly becomes a crutch replacing actually watching the game play for a real reason to award fellowship. Bottom line is the judge needs to get a backbone, put fairness over friendships, and make a choice.

For me, though, the ultimate garbage approach is "high roll" for fellowship. Fellowship not just by the dumb concept of a die roll, but one of whoever rolls the highest. I know, a die roll is a die roll, its all random chance high or low. But in a game where the players at the bottom of the standings may well have already stoically endured a streak of low rolls, its a bit of salt in the wound to have their "chance at fellowship" nixed by a continuation of that streak.

[Kenny Wisdom]

I prefer players getting to vote. The way we do it at the venue I play in is, we have each player vote for a player that they've played, and whoever receives the most votes at the beginning of the night gets the prize.

I assumed this was common practice.

[Paradox Factor]

Everyone votes at ours but it's limited to who you play. That way no one can buddy up and try to manipulate the votes. In the case of a tie, there's a roll off among all the high vote recevers.

[BigSoph]

I make the decision with input from players

I don't got for the voting thing because I was on the receiving end of a clique (and not the good end)

Every week it cycled between several friends and no matter how nice I played or how cool my theme or anything, I NEVER got it

I overheard one guy talk to his friends (which included the judge) that he would really like this one

Another player I knew from a different venue came once or twice and he was simply more of a realist than me. I had hoped I would eventually win them over

I was wrong

After I left, I talked to some folks who tried after that and, lo and behold, 'sorry, no prize support this week' kept happening

No. It is my decision.

And I know too many people who are good dice rollers and complete jerks

[jdm61802]

We have the players vote, but the judge has the final say. The only time we have ever used dice roll is when the players and judge are tied about two people for fellowship.

[HappyTrain]

I know too many people who are good dice rollers and complete jerks

Dice are not magical. They act pretty much the same no matter who is wielding them.:squareeye

[ArcadiaSSX]

At our venue we do it by vote of all the players.

Afterall it is fellowship and based on how a person played and their actions.

On the scoring sheet I hand out for folks to write their teams on and points at each game end there is a section at the bottom to put the name down on.


Ray

[JackAssterson]

Option 3: Voting

[dariusq]

My judge Boozehound always has players cast a secret vote (on their player cards) for who they felt was most deserving of fellowship. Ultimately though, regardless of who was voted by the players, the judge has final say. This keeps packs of friends from just favouring their inner circle week after week.

[vicious x]

mixed feeling on this,...

I played at many venues and most have different rules,...

the second place is fine, if you know going into the game that is the case. but most of the time you're going see cheese :ermm: so this is my least fav.

roll for fellowship, while there is no bias in the dice roll off. while I won a few like this I also lost a few this way too. when I win it this way, its just feels cheap. at the same time I agree this is the way to go when you have a few people show up and everyone is cool (which lucky for me many of the venues around here have great players)

voting, it can be the best or worse. as stated if there is a clique, this is terrible, but if everyone is cool, this is the best way to award the prize. to be honest the majority of LE's that I have have come from fellowship this way. its the best feeling, that people like your team and want to play with you.

judge has the final word. as long as the judge is good and honest this is another good way to do things, but I wouldn't want that power like I said before the majority of venues that I've been to have great players and it would be tough to pick just one.

over all as long as the judge is honest any way is good :)

[Iceman425]

I prefer dice roll. When a person decides, there is always room for corruption. "Oh here, it looks like my good friend Tom gets fellowship again for having the best attitude."
I know there are a lot of well meaning judges out there, but the dice can't help but be impartial.

The die also can't help but roll the right way for those that don't deserve "Fellowship" at all.

[HappyTrain]

The die also can't help but roll the right way for those that don't deserve "Fellowship" at all.

Dice are not magical. They act pretty much the same no matter who is wielding them.:squareeye

Once again, they are just dice and not magical prize winners for jerks.:confused:

[6T9]

Fellowship by dice roll is basically a cop out for judges not wanting to make a decision that comes with the role's responsibilities. I can understand the desire to avoid looking like they're playing favorites (and I've met more than a few envoys who do exactly that), but it quickly becomes a crutch replacing actually watching the game play for a real reason to award fellowship. Bottom line is the judge needs to get a backbone, put fairness over friendships, and make a choice.

For me, though, the ultimate garbage approach is "high roll" for fellowship. Fellowship not just by the dumb concept of a die roll, but one of whoever rolls the highest. I know, a die roll is a die roll, its all random chance high or low. But in a game where the players at the bottom of the standings may well have already stoically endured a streak of low rolls, its a bit of salt in the wound to have their "chance at fellowship" nixed by a continuation of that streak.

Okay then...how about "low roll" fellowship. :cheeky:

I prefer die roll fellowship, it prevents you from being automaticaly disqualified for being a good player that wins regularly. :ermm:

[Tollas]

when I judged, I'd have the players rank their opponents 1-3. The person with the lowest score was most highly considered for fellowship. I kept track so the same person wouldn't get it week after week, and if there were 2 friends/relatives who shared clix, I'd consider other options.

The judge at the venue I play at rolls dice. I hate it. The only weeks I can make the roll to get the prize, I don't care about it. The judge barely pays attention to the games (not that he needs to, mind you), but it would be nice to not roll for fellowship and actually have a chance based on attitude and sportsmanship rather than luck.

[Cliffjumper]

Even though I have better odds if winning fellowship off some dice.

[airdomin8]

At my venue, the judge has players vote for fellowship.