Superman Enemys and Thwart

[nerdflavour]

If a Supes Enemy has outwit somewhere on their dial but not currently showing and gains outwit through the TA, can that figure use the outwit gained to meet the prerequisite for thwart? Or is this a case of the figure gaining the use of a power but not really possessing it? Or something else?

[rancidtwinkie]

No.

The new wording on TAs like Batman, Serpent Society and SME state that they may USE the power, but they do not POSSESS it.

A figure must possess a power (or attribute) in order to meet the pre-requisites for feats.

[Entertainer13]

Once again, a rule of thumb is this:

If the feat activates by the use of a power, it can be used at anytime said power is used.

If the feat works by the presence of a power, you need that power, in its color, showing on the dial.

For example, Thwart activates on its own because outwit is showing on the dial.

Dissent activates on the use of outwit, thus this would work with Superman enemies or special powers.

[Hero_guy]

Once again, a rule of thumb is this:

If the feat activates by the use of a power, it can be used at anytime said power is used.

If the feat works by the presence of a power, you need that power, in its color, showing on the dial.

For example, Thwart activates on its own because outwit is showing on the dial.

Dissent activates on the use of outwit, thus this would work with Superman enemies or special powers.

Not true. You need to actually meet the prerequisites in order to use any particular feat. A prereq for Dissent is the Power Outwit. It must show on the dial in order for the character to qualify to use it.

If a feat card had no prerequisite and activates upon the use of a power, then yes, you would be able to use it any time you used said power. However, I don't think there are any feats that do that at this point in the game.

[nerdflavour]

Just as I feared... Thanks for the responses. I guess it's gonna be an uphill battle fielding the Fearsome Five in 500 floor. At least E2 Supes won't be able to one-turn KO my whole force any more.

Interesting about dissent. It doesn't have outwit as a prerequisite? Hmm I wonder if my judge will be convinced or if he'll eagerly overrule me at least until after the tourney.

Edit: dernit it does need outwit..:disappoin

[Entertainer13]

Not true. You need to actually meet the prerequisites in order to use any particular feat. A prereq for Dissent is the Power Outwit. It must show on the dial in order for the character to qualify to use it.

If a feat card had no prerequisite and activates upon the use of a power, then yes, you would be able to use it any time you used said power. However, I don't think there are any feats that do that at this point in the game.


Prerequisite: Outwit

Choose a character.

When the character uses Outwit, it may choose to counter a team ability possessed by a single target opposing character as if that team ability were a power, instead of countering a power.
YOU'RE wrong here. Dissent activates upon the use of Outwit. Therefore, my assertion would be correct, presuming the character has outwit somewhere on his dial.

Any feat, including Brilliant Tactition, which activates upon a use of Perplex, would be subject to this. I didn't feel the need to say "as long as outwit is on his dial normally" because that was his supposisition in the original post.

I stand by it, other judges I've talked to stand by it, and I'd have to hear it straight for norm to believe otherwise.

[adamkomar]

Sorry, Entertainer, you're wrong. A prerequisite for a feat must be possessed by the assigned character at the time the player wants to use the feat. If it's not possessed by the assigned character then the feat can't be used. Assignment and use of feats is spelled out clear as day in the rule book:

In order to be assigned a feat, a character must meet its prerequisites. A prerequisite power or combat value does not need to be visible on a character’s starting click for the character to be assigned the feat, but the character’s combat dial must be able to turn so
that all power and combat value prerequisites for the feat are visible through the stat slot at the same time. If a character must be a member of a particular team or must possess a specific team ability as a prerequisite for a feat, the team symbol for that team must be printed on the character’s base. Being able to use a team ability (as wild cards can do) or a power (as some team abilities and special powers allow a character to do) does not satisfy the prerequisites for a feat; the character must possess the team ability or power. If a feat does not require you to choose a character or characters, at least one character on your force must meet the prerequisites for the feat.

In order for a character to use an assigned feat, all prerequisites for the feat must be printed on the character’s base and/or be visible on its combat dial through the stat slot.

[burleigh2]

Sorry, Entertainer, you're wrong. A prerequisite for a feat must be possessed by the assigned character at the time the player wants to use the feat. If it's not possessed by the assigned character then the feat can't be used. Assignment and use of feats is spelled out clear as day in the rule book:
Yep... plus, you quoted it in your own statement:

Originally Posted by Dissent
Prerequisite: Outwit

Choose a character.

When the character uses Outwit, it may choose to counter a team ability possessed by a single target opposing character as if that team ability were a power, instead of countering a power.
Yes, it works when you USE OW..... but you have to possess OW at the time to use the feat. Sorry.