Flight Stands, Ring Colors and Special Powers [Archive]

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 05:14

I decide to put all the things that I don't like very much on Heroclix now and see in some people agreed in something or everybody like the way that Heroclix is now.

My major issues about Heroclix Now are:

-Scale of the figs.
-No ring colors
-No flight stands
-Lot of unnecesry special powers.

Rings and flight stands were a big important look of what Heroclix was since the begining.

Since they are gone the figs don't look the same at least for me.

Will you like the Flight stands and the ring colors come back?

and let a little of the massive Special Powers go away??

what about the Heroclix scale figs problems?

This poll its for all that.

:)

Ilkimys

04/17/2008, 05:27

Leaving ring colors out and just making figures as common, uncommon, rare and super rare has lead me to a point where I only use super rares from the newer sets. For one reason or another I hate using commons which I have pulled in numerous amounts. In the "old" days I would enjoy using several versions of the same figure because it seemed like a mob and not just as multiple copies of the same Beast.

eliotblacknigh

04/17/2008, 05:34

WK pls. return the flight stands, its so hard to see if the figures is a grounded character or a flyer just like dawnstar, and the figure like klye rayner, its to long to fit in my heroclix tuckle box..............:(

Kenny Wisdom

04/17/2008, 05:45

Well...

1.) Figure Scale: I'm not sure what the issue is. I like giants and colossals in the appropriate places. I don't think I've seen a fig and been like "oh man he is the wrong scale!" there are some sizing issues (Nightwing is a little big), but other than that I think everything is fine the way it is. Giants and colossals add another fun element to the game, although sometimes giant rules are confusing.

2.) I never played when ring colors were around, but I'm so, so, so glad they're not anymore. I just don't get the point of it. I think it makes the game even more confusing and makes the figs look worse. I'm not even sure if I would've ever gotten into Heroclix if there were still rings around the figures. I definitely think getting rid of them was a fantastic idea on Wizkids part.

3.) Flight stands being gone are also great. I like the new aesthetics and everything, but I think what I care about more is soaring. A lot of people have been talking about Wizkids trimming down the rules withing dumbing the game down, and this is the perfect way to do it. Little things like this that aren't really needed should be done away with, and that's exactly what happened. It is a little hard to tell but I think it'll just force people to pay attention more.

4.) Well...I do like special powers, as I feel it's a great way to represent a character that can't quite be represented just right with the PAC powers. I think some are a little out there, but as the game gets more and more comic-accurate, I enjoy it that much more. Maybe they should be used more sparingly, but I'm definitely in favor of them when they're used appropriately.

Heh, I think I'm in the minority on all counts here.

Good thread!

Saklas

04/17/2008, 05:45

How come so many people say it's hard to tell if clix are fliers? Just look at the base, it's right there! I think we all got a bit spoiled with flight stands. Plus, they were ugly anyway.

I voted everything the way it is except scale. Thanks, Nightwing...:cheeky:

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 05:51

Kenny Wisdom

04/17/2008, 05:53

I see your point. I'd just like them to be represented correctly as far as height and weight and stuff goes, but in the end a dynamic sculpt is more important to me than that.

I definitely see what you're getting at though.

Ouchmaker

04/17/2008, 06:10

I voted everything the way it is except scale. Thanks, Nightwing...:cheeky:

Same here. I have no problem losing the flight stands, the color rings on the base, and Special Powers add flavor to the game, and helps some character represent their powers correctly. Just imagine Crisis Darkseid without special powers. The scale is the only thing that I'm currently uncomfortable with, and most of the time even that's not a problem.

Saklas

04/17/2008, 06:23

Same here. I have no problem losing the flight stands, the color rings on the base, and Special Powers add flavor to the game, and helps some character represent their powers correctly. Just imagine Crisis Darkseid without special powers. The scale is the only thing that I'm currently uncomfortable with, and most of the time even that's not a problem.

Yeah exactly! That's the thing, it isn't really a common occurance to have completly out of scale figures, that's why when it happens it's more noticable...

Perhaps every sculptor should to bite the bullet and have a chart handy. And for some sculptors...an anatomy book too ;)

Wolverine_Hulk

04/17/2008, 07:00

I prefer no Flight Stands.

darthfatty

04/17/2008, 07:27

As I've said before, the flight stands broke the aesthetic and looked cheesy, and I feel the same way about the rings.

The whole 'no scale' thing doesn't bother me that much.

The special powers are what keeps me wanting to play the game.

dante

04/17/2008, 07:43

I voted for Scale only, but only because there isn't a two item option. I also would like flight bases back. The scale issue isn't huge, but it would be nice to put Red and Green Arrow side by side and not have Ollie look like a shrimp. And I know I can just look at the base to see who a flyer is, but I'm so used to being able to just glance at the board and see them all. I am glad the soaring rules are gone, or more accurately, I won't miss them. Just my 2 cents.

Ironman1994

04/17/2008, 07:48

I'm sorry, but flight-stands made figures look dumb.

I realize that wizkids has REALLY screwed up with sculpts lately.
[COUGH] *Darkseid*
But sculpts like Kyle Rayner were OK.

batjester

04/17/2008, 08:32

I went with just use a standard scale, everything else is fine or a great improvement in my humble opinion.

I don't miss the color rings at all, and like others have said the flight stands looked out of place. Special powers are one of the best things to happen to the game.

pxb006

04/17/2008, 08:53

I voted for scale figures, but I also want flights stands back. Or at least a method that makes it clearer that a figure is a flyer.

Repulsor rage

04/17/2008, 09:09

Your argument is seriously hampered by the vet Banshee in your avatar lol But what scale? I want rings back maybe not flightstands if they can get it right like with Black Adam

JTClickman

04/17/2008, 09:24

im new to playing herockicks but i have been collecting since hypertime
i personaly think wizkids have made great strides to make HC much more accurate in terms of the comics they repersent i dont miss filght stands
i thought the rings were kinda hokey but i wasnt playing then
the specal powers are way cool for me. it really adds an elemant to the game that makes you feel like you really have batman on he table
it really adds to the game play from my veiw point
and scale perhaps the only think i would fix but nightwing looks cool
hard to argue he needs fixed

Cam-El

04/17/2008, 10:20

I dont understand why we would want those ugly flight stand back when they can mold a cool way to show they're flying I can on think of two clix from the DC set that you need to do a double take on and that is SuperNova and Darkseid . But if we can read that a clix can taget 1,2,3 pieces whats the big deal with looking to see if they are flying

ps I do hate the "might be giants"(Ace and Iron) bring back cool scale giant fig like The Specter and Atom Smasher

Ghost-x

04/17/2008, 10:27

I will like a standard scale for all the figs but everything else in the way it is now

That's me to a 'T' pretty much

Lofcutus

04/17/2008, 10:43

I wish scale was more consistent, but I can live with it. What I do miss is colored rings...seriously figure still look "naked" to me without rank indicators on the fig.

airdomin8

04/17/2008, 10:49

I miss the old flight stands! I didn't find them unsightly at all. And it made transporting figures a lot easier.

Solution for Ring Colors:
a.) Make Rookies "Common"
b.) Make Experienced "Uncommon"
c.) Make Veterans "Rare"
d.) Make Uniques "Super Rare"

stark's heir

04/17/2008, 10:52

I couldn't find exactly what I wanted in the poll so...

I want a decent sculpt, consistent scaling of body parts, no flight stands. I'm fine with C/UC/R/SR, but there needs to be less Unique-Commons.

The Special Powers are a good idea, but some are too powerful. Gambit has Stealth, RS, and (a third one)?!

SaferSephiroth

04/17/2008, 10:53

Even special powers don't bother me as much as scale.

And I'm glad flight stands are gone. Ring color I couldn't care less about.

snarfery

04/17/2008, 11:22

Badly worded but, I want a few less special powers, I dont like having to spend 20 minutes reading over the 3 special powers showing on green arrow mid match. They got a bit carried away.

mr-coffin

04/17/2008, 11:56

I voted for the top choice because it was the best fit, but I really don't care about scale so much. As for special powers I want them to be special I don't mind the number we have now but don't give Robin a special power thats flurry. Thats what flurry is for. Give him a special power thats flurry but each attack must be made on a separate target or something. I want REV sets, colored rings, flight stands, archenemies and some kind of soaring back.

AUKOS

04/17/2008, 12:07

I will like a standard scale for all the figs but everything else in the way it is now

That's me to a 'T' pretty much

Ditto.

I really couldn't stand the colored rings- like superhero's don't have enough color as it is - additional color just added to the gaudiness.

give me a good sculpt anytime - take a look at the horrorclix nightmare set - now there is some serious art work on display.

AUKOS

Prof. Aragorn

04/17/2008, 12:19

Flight stands gone makes it difficult to notice who is a flyer sometimes. However, if sculpts can be created with that in mind, it wouldn't be so difficult.

Ring colors exist on the character card. Everything needed for combat exists on the dial - ring colors (save for uniques) are not.

I like special powers, but I don't like the overuse of them. I like Common Batman from Justice League because of his 1 special power. I don't like The Chief because of his multiple special powers. Sure some figures deserve multiples, but with Crisis and Mutations and Monsters - a majority of the figures (meaning more than half) had more than 1 special power.

That's just not right. C'mon Seth, you've proved you excellent dial design without the special power crutch. It's like seasoning, when used just right, the food tastes delicious.

dopeyj

04/17/2008, 12:27

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 12:32

I wish scale was more consistent, but I can live with it. What I do miss is colored rings...seriously figure still look "naked" to me without rank indicators on the fig.

I feel the same. :disappoin

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 12:35

Badly worded but, I want a few less special powers, I dont like having to spend 20 minutes reading over the 3 special powers showing on green arrow mid match. They got a bit carried away.

Exactly. The old PAC was great. Everything was there. just a FEW characters deserve SP. Like Darkseid or Superman or Flash but that can easy be fixed with a few feats.

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 12:40

Flight stands: no, gotta make the sculpt dynamic
Scale: close enough works for me
Rings: How relevant is this now that we only get one per set anyways
SPowers: A lot of them are to wordy or over powerfull like Gambits. He's not that good in the comics. Can't wait to see a new Wolvie with stealth/ charge/ flurry/ and leapclimb. or Toughness/ CR/ WP and regen. Fan boys dreams do not make acurate clix in relation to everybodies fan boy dreams. And this comes from a comics fan boy.:cheeky:

yea, that is what I think.

A 150 points Green Arrow? or Deathstroke? come on! they are good but "human" good not Darkseid or Superman good! GA and Deathstroke should not be above 80 points. what? they fight and win against a lot of oponent in comics? of course! but A LOT of characters do that in comics and not because of that they are 150 points on clix.

vampiremcnugget

04/17/2008, 12:43

i think its gotten so much better now with sp's,no flight stands color rings gone. one thing no one mentioned about color rings is there were so many that many figs in a set takes up a lot of room. 60 figs is a way better number.as far as flight stands go who needs them the wing symbol is on the dial, quite being lazy and look at it. and the cards have the wing symbol printed on them.and if you look at early sculpts and the sculpts now major improvement(some crappy paint jobs sometimes but i guess they all cant be masterpeices).and the fact that some figs have sp that allow them to use basic powers,thats so they can put it in a different power slot that that power wouldnt normally be in. it was reffranced earlyer im not trying to be mr.obvious here lol. but thats just what i think. sorry about the bad spelling

elfholme

04/17/2008, 13:12

I like everything in your poll the way it is (especially the removal of the terrible-looking flight stands), except the inconsistency of scale. I've been a miniatures gamer for over 25 years, and inconsistent scale can really hurt the look of a game for us greybeards.

I don't like flight stands. They detract as much from the look of the figures as inconsistent scale.

I like what's been done with special powers. I wouldn't mind some of the extraneous ones (giving extra TAs, some multi-powers) falling by the wayside, but overall, me likey!

I don't care one way or the other about the colored rings. I really only care about Unique rings, because they have an actual game impact.

TeenTitansdude

04/17/2008, 14:45

It seems like a lot of the responses from the newer players indicate that they dont miss the rings or flight stands. Thats all they are used to though. I'm sure that most of the players who miss those things will never post on this thread. Because they dont read about a game they have lost interest in playing and collecting.

I miss the rings. I miss flight stands. I think SPs are out of control. The scale of the figs has always sucked so I dont miss that I guess.

Drunky

04/17/2008, 14:47

"I like the way it is now and I don't care about scale, flight stands or ring colors"

I'm glad flight stands are gone, they were ugly.

I'm also glad rings are gone, their color usually mismatched the fig's ones.

The scale issues don't bother me much.

Special powers bring a lot to the game, so I'm OK with it too.

Soul

04/17/2008, 14:56

I miss the color rings, the rarity scheme, the flight stands and the "everything is on the dial" concept.

:cry:

Wolverine_Hulk

04/17/2008, 15:00

Carlos, no offense, but you seem to be really anti change.

elfholme

04/17/2008, 15:01

It seems like a lot of the responses from the newer players indicate that they dont miss the rings or flight stands. Thats all they are used to though.

And yet a lot of the responses from older players (like me, playing since day 1) are saying the same thing... :rolleyes:

lancelot

04/17/2008, 15:19

What he said...and I've been around since Infinity Challenge.

Some people just CANNOT adapt to change.
Well...

1.) Figure Scale: I'm not sure what the issue is. I like giants and colossals in the appropriate places. I don't think I've seen a fig and been like "oh man he is the wrong scale!" there are some sizing issues (Nightwing is a little big), but other than that I think everything is fine the way it is. Giants and colossals add another fun element to the game, although sometimes giant rules are confusing.

2.) I never played when ring colors were around, but I'm so, so, so glad they're not anymore. I just don't get the point of it. I think it makes the game even more confusing and makes the figs look worse. I'm not even sure if I would've ever gotten into Heroclix if there were still rings around the figures. I definitely think getting rid of them was a fantastic idea on Wizkids part.

3.) Flight stands being gone are also great. I like the new aesthetics and everything, but I think what I care about more is soaring. A lot of people have been talking about Wizkids trimming down the rules withing dumbing the game down, and this is the perfect way to do it. Little things like this that aren't really needed should be done away with, and that's exactly what happened. It is a little hard to tell but I think it'll just force people to pay attention more.

4.) Well...I do like special powers, as I feel it's a great way to represent a character that can't quite be represented just right with the PAC powers. I think some are a little out there, but as the game gets more and more comic-accurate, I enjoy it that much more. Maybe they should be used more sparingly, but I'm definitely in favor of them when they're used appropriately.

Heh, I think I'm in the minority on all counts here.

Good thread!

lancelot

04/17/2008, 15:23

Carlos, no offense, but you seem to be really anti change.He *is* and *always* will be. I could swear he's pallying around with Brazil.

ol_Dut

04/17/2008, 15:25

I am no longer concerned with flight stands having found my own solution. I never really was bothered overmuch when the REV ring color disappeared. But what I really would like to see is that some sense of scale is observed so that figures that should be bigger are and figures that are smaller are correctly so, and that every where in between figures are the appropriate size too. And I'm all for Special Powers. More of even. Especially if that means we can get rid of feat cards.

Monkey Joe

04/17/2008, 15:30

lancelot

04/17/2008, 15:32

I'd like flight stands to return. Also I'd like the coloered rings back, but not 3 versions of each character. I like the 60 figs per set the way it is now, but just have the colored ring to match the experience level indicated on the card.
This would be far more trouble than necessary.

And definitely far more misprints. Oh, I've got an E Deadpool, but his card shows him as V?

I'd just rather leave the rings to the "unique" status of some characters.

However, why wasn't there one on Dawnstar?:ermm:

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 15:44

I miss the color rings, the rarity scheme, the flight stands and the "everything is on the dial" concept.

:cry:

Me too. :disappoin

and looking in this poll I'm happy that a lot of people are with me but I'm shooked of how many people don't.

Keeping in mind that a lot of the changes are for take more money from us (no flight stands and no rings colors is to make things cheap for WK, nobody can deny that).

And incorrect scales show how less they care about quality control.

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 15:46

He *is* and *always* will be. I could swear he's pallying around with Brazil.

IU'm anti change, but I don't know what you name Brazil, he was changing things in his way since the begining. He was like a custom Tuttle.

No offense Brazil. :nervous:

Saklas

04/17/2008, 15:48

On another note, I'd like to see more uniques back in the super rare slot and less in the common and uncommon slots...Mostly so we can get generics back...I'd say that is my biggest complaint with heroclix at this point...

Everything else, besides wanting better scale (which is a newer complaint for me), has always solicited a happy reaction from me. And, yes, I've been playing for 5 years...

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 15:48

lancelot

04/17/2008, 15:49

Keeping in mind that a lot of the changes are for take more money from us (no flight stands and no rings colors is to make things cheap for WK, nobody can deny that).
True that, but honestly: the game has gotten better because of this.

Had we still had the REV system, then we'd have been bogged down by far more REV Captain Americas, REV Batmen, and so on...as it is, we just have multiples of just ONE figure, instead of multiples of 3 versions of the SAME figure.

Special Powers...just awesome. It's like bending light and space to warp into the future...SPs are bending the PAC and allowing us to accurately play our favorite figures.

Flight stands...meh, I'm all for the dynamic poses...if WK would stick to that. Supernova, eh?

Scale...this is somewhat difficult to police but I suppose it could be improved somewhat.

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 15:52

elfholme

04/17/2008, 15:53

Keeping in mind that a lot of the changes are for take more money from us (no flight stands and no rings colors is to make things cheap for WK, nobody can deny that).

And since improving the game is a side-effect of those cost-saving measures, I'm all for them. It's a win-win! :)

And incorrect scales show how less they care about quality control.

This, unfortunately, I have to agree with. A miniatures company that doesn't observe a consistent figure scale with the industry is pretty common, but a miniatures company that doesn't observe a consistent figure scale within its own lines (often even within the same release!) is frankly kind of embarassing. :disappoin

lancelot

04/17/2008, 15:54

the scale problem become REALLY BAD since Avengers. Not a lot before that.
Do you have any stark and obvious examples?

I mean, we got the Super-Adaptoid and Dragonman just right.

Sure, Abomination and Hulk seem a little small for Giants, but hey.

Saklas

04/17/2008, 15:55

the scale problem become REALLY BAD since Avengers. Not a lot before that.

Agreed...

Perhaps they've gotten a bit sloppy recently with it? If so, they need to pick it back up together and fix it. But, it's not as big of deal to me as to some others, just hits my perfectionist nerve...

elfholme

04/17/2008, 16:01

Do you have any stark and obvious examples?

I mean, we got the Super-Adaptoid and Dragonman just right.

Sure, Abomination and Hulk seem a little small for Giants, but hey.

The different sizes within the Wrecking Crew are pretty obvious I think. As is the SR Quicksilver in Avengers (you can even compare him to another Quicksilver (Ultimate version) in the same set).

gambitrmp

04/17/2008, 17:55

I voted for the flight stands.

My figures are on display so a standard scale would be nice but flight stands edged that out for me. Nice to easily know who is/isn't a flier.

Paradox Factor

04/17/2008, 18:07

the scale problem become REALLY BAD since Avengers. Not a lot before that.

Tke a peak back at the Hand Ninjas and SWAT Oficer. Both a grossly oversized. and that's just off the top of my head. Scale is an issue since the early days of Heroclix. It's just the psudo giants (Ace and Iron) and a very popular character (Nightwing) make it a bit more obvous

vectin

04/17/2008, 20:25

Here's my 10-cents...(inflation ya' know)

Flight stands: Miss them for only one reason...I CAN TELL WHO THE HECK IS A FLYER!!. Mind you, we don't need them any more since soaring is kaput, but there has to a "clear visual elevation" element with a figure. Good examples - Black Adam, Sinestro, Kyle (even though a little too flamey). Bad examples - Dawnstar,Karate kid, Green Lantern.

REV issue: Okay, so I'm missing REV a little less since WK is at least giving us a couple of character REV's per set in proxy (Young Robin,Robin,Nightwing). That's okay. My main concern with losing rev system was that we couldn't have flexible build options (point cost) within a themed family...Bat family for example.

The downside: I don't really like the new 60 fig sets for the rarity scheme. It's no wonder with their allocations, that there are 12 figures for over 15 or more dollars average and the remaining 48 are worthless. Seems the old rev sets actually held their value after market considerable better. We all have the same figs ergo, they are worthless aftermarket. While WK can laugh all the way to the bank now, unless they have uber BBTB figures [insert gimmick here] for every set, I believe sales downturns can be expected since the bulk of CUR of sets can be bought at half the price of a brick.

Special Powers: I'm fine with special power assortments. The point costing I think needs to be tightened up (some overcosted, others too good). If they could get the possession power right in the next set...that would be great!!

Scale: Have better QA (someone with a ruler or character sketches or comics for reference) would be nice.

NEED GENERICS ACTION PACK!! ONE PD (Gotham/Metropolis PD) one HYDRA (Hydra/AIM) set each. Thanks!!

Sgt Grimes

04/17/2008, 21:06

If your going to make them without flight stands, then make them in a fliying pose

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 21:12

If your going to make them without flight stands, then make them in a fliying pose

it's not easy to do that without a flight stand, the posible solution it's to put "stuff" under the figs and I hate stuf under the figs! :mad: :p :disappoin

drfate98

04/17/2008, 21:33

I voted for standard scale only, although for flight stands, I really like the way they did Harbinger, Mary Marvel, and Black Adam, especially since there is no longer soaring.

Standard scale- This is the only one that I have strong feelings about, even though the game plays just as well with or without. I play a couple of times a week, but got started as a collector and really like it when the characters look correct on the map together. The other night I played Metal Men in a tournament and it was pretty cool that Alloy towered over Gold, Lead, and I guess Mercury. It would have been nice if Iron was at least as big as Ace, or Stripe, or even some of the Hulks.

Flight stands- I admit that the old ones were a bit clunky looking. And without soaring, I think it would be great to do them more like Harbinger. They can be any color and stylized like Mary Marvel's.

REV- I learned to play with REV rings, and enjoyed being able to bump up an experiance level if I had a few points to spare. But I think I like more unique sculpts per set some better.

Special Powers- They add a lot to the game for some characters, and spice up the regular powers, but some days it does seem there are SO darn many. Maybe should not have them for almost every character.

alstaire

04/17/2008, 21:38

Ring Colors - I can live without, and I noticed during those days, the rookies seem so underpowered just so to differentiate them from the Exp and Vet versions... while now power levels are much more comic accurate... :classic:

Special Powers - brought me back my interest to play... I really was annoyed that Rogue didn't have the power to steal an opponent's power or some character's having only one power when they can do both... but some SPs IMO, seems a bit forced. I'd use it on characters who really need it...cough... Scarlet Witch... cough :cheeky:

Flight stands - are what I miss the most, not because of the game play aspect, but because of visuals... A group of flyers in a game looks great fighting grounded figs... if WK can bring us the DYNAMIC SCULPTS they promised... Kyle and not HAL... I'd be happy... heck I'd be happy if they went the BLACK ADAM peg route... that would work for me great... I just want to see flyers a little bit elevated than grounded figs. :laugh: Dawnstar would be perfect if the smoke at her feet where a quarter on an inch higher...

Scale - back during Xplosion days... giant IRON MAN didn't work for me... but i'd rather have the IC Jean Grey, (Big head, dynamic pose, cartoon feel) than some figs now... Crisis Hal Jordan is bleh...

drfate98

04/17/2008, 21:46

CarlosMucha

04/17/2008, 21:55

yea, I also like the 60 figs, I just want the ring colors back.

ohoni

04/17/2008, 22:27

Well, I voted the first option, although technically I'm fine with the scale and I LOVe the special powers, but I do want the rings and flight stands back.

Zatara55

04/17/2008, 23:00

My worthless opinionss....

Scale- I don't care all that much but I really think characters that are giants, even on part of their dial, should be giant-sized. Of course I'm bitter because I lost a game thinking Mordru couldn't see me.

Colored rings- Don't care either way.

Special Powers-I would like to see the removal of special powers that are there just to give someone a special power. Look at poor Power Ring. He has an awful dial. And instead of just giving him regular perplex they have to make him risk damage if he uses it. And why give someone the ability to use outwit but only on Tuesdays?

Flight Stands- I rather have the flight stands back. If we can't have that then have something else (besides the movement symbol) that screams "Hey, I fly!!!!!" Again bitter because I screwed up a game thinking Dawnstar could carry Karate Kid. Also I liked the fact that I could switch sculpts if I didn't like the one that was current (yes, J'onn, I'm looking at you.) I LOVE the way Kyle and Starfire/Nightwing look but I can't stand the way they did GL and Supergirl.

maraxus_60

04/18/2008, 00:16

I don't know IF I can really vote, I would love the return of the Flight Stands, and would love IF there was a standard scale, BUT the ring colors, and special powers don't bother me that much. SO IF I HAD A CHOICE, it would be Yes to special powers, Yes to a return of the flight stands, and Yes to standard sizes.

georgie83

04/18/2008, 01:57

I find it funny imagining the guys who hated flight stands playing with figs with flight stands...with twisted, repulsed looks on their faces as they play. :)

"I...uh...move Storm to hindering" *with a pained look on his face, picks up Storm and places her on hindering* "Oh god, that flight stand's so UGLY!"

*opponent picks up his Archangel while closing his eyes tightly, and drops it suddenly* "Yeah I think I'm gonna throw up."

No offense...just find it mildly amusing. :D

I don't see how people find flight stands 'ugly' from an aesthetic or artistic standpoint. If anything, flight stands for me were invisible...from a gameplay aspect yes it was unnecesary but it just looks better from a visual standpoint. and I agree with alstaire...figs with flight looked much more imposing elevated a little higher than their grounded brethren. :) As it is I concede that the flightstands are gone, but the only figs in this flight stand-less era I like is Captain Marvel Jr. from Crisis and Black Adam to a certain degree. Heck, I agree...put em on clear pegs or something, just give us an illusion of flight, eh?

The removal of REV's, however, was something I agreed with wholeheartedly. From a collection and gaming standpoint, I only needed, say, the V Collosus from Xplosion or the V Crimson Dynamo because for me that was I needed and wanted. I agree with what one poster said a while ago about REV's...how many RV Black Panthers saw play? How many V Destinies? Back then RE IC Spider-man collected dust coz I always used the V version for the better stats. Now with those rankings gone, I can collect them all since they're all pretty unique.

As for the scale...*looks at Crisis Speedy's ginormous left arm and Green Arrow*...yeah I think they can fix that. I hope so.

CarlosMucha

04/18/2008, 02:12

yea, for me the flight stands are invisible too and give the illusion of fly without need any UGLY "creative" stuff under the figs. :mad:

machineman

04/18/2008, 05:19

By Scale I DON'T mean that I don't want Giant figs, I mean the "standard" figs.

They are all wrong in scale. The "right" Heroclix scale since the begining is the scale of Green Lantern or Green Arrow in Crisis and not the Monitor (very small) or Nightwing (very big!).

This IS a problem for me at least.

Me too, I start a thread about it every set since Supernova, I think. Another example: Ace

He is supposed to be a friggin giant. He isn't even as big as any Hulk. I had no idea he was a Giant until someone pointed it out in another thread. He is just the least of the scale problems. All women are now fairy-sized and the male heroes run a complete gamit of scale within each set. BOO! It's dumb-looking.

machineman

04/18/2008, 05:25

georgie83

04/18/2008, 06:23

Very funny to picture!
By the way, the rankings aren't gone. I don't think this is a "bring back rev's" request, just the appropriate ring color for the version you get in the set.

thanks. I just find it funny that some people despise flight stands to an almost visceral level. It's amusing actually.

And yes, you are right. The rankings are NOT gone...sorry for the mix up. Though still, I wouldn't want random red, blue and yellow rings around my figs...the O/C within me would be lookin' for their counterparts somewhere.

XocgX

04/18/2008, 10:24

Carlos, I knew this poll was written by you =)

We'll get used to no flightstands (i.e. having to look at movement symbols) soon enough. all they did was break anyway! I WOULD like to see a constant scale and a constant element for flyers such as the little stand thing that Black Adam has. Just keep their feet off the ground!

malakim2099

04/18/2008, 10:38

Carlos, I knew this poll was written by you =)

QFT! :p

We'll get used to no flightstands (i.e. having to look at movement symbols) soon enough. all they did was break anyway! I WOULD like to see a constant scale and a constant element for flyers such as the little stand thing that Black Adam has. Just keep their feet off the ground!

Yeah, if you had an option for rings AND scale, I would do that. I like the color rings for a bit of splash on the dial, but I want to keep the 60 fig sets. And the flight stands? I don't mind if they got rid of the "static" sculpts.

I only skimmed the thread, but has no one mentioned IRON yet? He's even worse than Nightwing, except he's a giant that is just tiny compared to regular figs, let alone other giants!!!

Armourgeddon2K

04/18/2008, 11:53

Can I have a vote for

I don't like what we've got but change it and I'll hate that too please :cheeky:

Nope - ok I'm not that bothered then, :laugh: its all good - I liked the stands and I'm liking them gone etc :cool:

loganspeedo

04/18/2008, 12:11

I agree with everything. I can let the flight stands go though if you make the flyers look like they are flying. Obviously Superman and Green Lantern fly, but what about original Teen Titan Wonder Girl, Karate Kid, or Donna Troy? If you don't know the characters, these guys look like they are standing on the ground, never to leave it. Bronze Tiger looks more like he's flying than these guys do, and he's a non-flyer. If you're not going to have flight bases, make the flyers look like they fly.

As far as scale of the figures, I'd like giants to look giant. Iron is a giant, but you couldn't tell that from his sculpt.

For the colored rings, I can only say this: "BRING BACK REV's!!!!!!!!!!!!!"

Special Powers are neat, but I feel like I have to re-learn the game when you have soooooooooo many of them. Not everybody needs a special power.

If someone else has said the same thing, so be it, I haven't had a chance to read though the list.

AbraKadabra

04/18/2008, 12:31

Bring back REV's! :angry:

As for the flight stands, they were kinda ugly. :p Though I would agree, if you want to make them flyers atleast make them look like they're flying(or about to fly).

The SP's are great! To me it makes the game much more fun, because if everyone just had standard powers, they'd all be kind of the same and boring. I makes them 'Unique'. :cheeky:

ccs

04/18/2008, 12:37

#1 was closest to my wishes.

.I want a standard scale.

.I want ring colours - though I'm fine with WK not making full REV sets of everybody.
As for uniques vrs ring colours? Not sure why you couldn't have both. Just print all of the words/#s/symbols except the rarity icon on the base in silver....
As to telling the rarity? Just add yet another icon to the base & colour code it.

.Regardless of soaring, I've always liked the flight stands visual.
I also like some of the creative flying sculpts from Crisis.
I don't see why we cant simply have the best of both worlds. If they come up some sculpt that would look better w/o the stand? Fine. Leave it off. If they insist upon making sub-par posed flyers like the physician, Green Lantern (Hal), Karate Kid, etc? Put them on a stand.

.Special powers. This one I'm actually OK with.
Though I find it annoying that now I need to also have a card to make the figures fully playable.
My one real wish here though would be to see them standardize them if they're to be used on multiple figs. Therefore, when you play someone with a NGN Hulk & a Green Scar, & they use "Smash" (? think that's it's name) you won't have to remember that they do different things.
Also related to the topic of cards/powers; Since I have to have a card in most casaes now, why not simply go that next step towards Haloclix & simply print a dial block? It's not like we don't memorize the dials anyway....(and don't give me any of that "it's all part of the stratagy", because it's really not)

burleigh2

04/18/2008, 16:10

Personally, I really like that there are no flight stands. Yes, you have to look closer at the movement type, but the dynamics of the characters are so much better looking (fluff of cloud, "swoosh" of wind, or energy trail holding them up looks SO much better than a foot in a generic plastic stand), not to mention that you don't have to dig through boxes/bags twice (one for the figure, one for the dial), it makes it easier to find the dial when digging for the figure, and we don't have to worry about the pegs or stands breaking anymore (just the figures breaking, which is normally offered by a replacement or glue anyway).

I could care less about the REV... I never saw why you should have to get more than 1 of a particular figure with the same sculpts and powers (just different stats... although the dials that varried in powers and whatnot between the versions were nice). Yeah, the higher rank is more powerful, but it made it almost pointless to have the Rookie when you had the Vet in most cases. At least with the new setup, you get 2 different characters (either powers, teams, and/or even characters) when it's the same one (eg. Crisis Robin, GL, Wonder Girl, Aqualad, etc, etc).

Special powers add a LOT to some select characters that could otherwise not be represented much at all (Parasite, Deadman/Jericho, Cuckoo, etc)... but yeah, some are overkill on certain SPs. It's also nice to have the option of multiple powers on the same slot instead of getting an either/or (like Xp Mandarin or any Dr. Strange).

Scale isn't too big of a deal to me, but standardizing them would add more of a graphical appeal to it at least.

Darth Sabre

04/18/2008, 17:03

Flight Stands: I wouldn't necessarily want WK to go back to the old Flight Stands, but would like a better way to discern a flier from a grounded figure and would like the soaring mechanic to return.

Ring colors were great when there were muliptle versions of a figure in a set. Now, not so much.

Scale is not a big deal to me.

Special Powers need to be reigned in, and truly be special.

fastcat99

04/19/2008, 00:48

My only beef is my tiny Iron. And tiny Ace. I would like really huge Iron. (that's what she said!)

Timashi

04/19/2008, 01:29

Need Flight Stands Its To Confusing.

freakazoid_x

04/19/2008, 01:56

I see Standard Scale winning this thing by a landslide.

CarlosMucha

04/19/2008, 02:04

I see Standard Scale winning this thing by a landslide.

yea, but personally I can't believe that more of 400 people read this thread! :eek:

thanks everybody for vote!

:)

georgie83

04/19/2008, 03:52

looking at my collection, I just noticed the disparity between Marvel and DC sets. The figures we had in M&M were not as bad scale wise as DC did here. Apart from the obviously giant AOA Cyclops, the last two marvel sets did not have the ginormous Speedy arms or teeny tiny Chiefs. Just my observation.

But Marvel still gets shafted when it comes to SPs.

Avenger2000

04/19/2008, 04:46

Great survey Carlos!

I voted for scale.

I really thought I'd hate losing the flight stands for storage purposes and finding who flies. Perhaps eventually it will get more confusing, but I just check figs at the beginning of the game if I don't know them. It lets me check out their stats anyway. We have a player that can tell you basically any click on any dial, I'm sure memorizing who flies and who doesn't won't be a problem for him. Storage hasn't been the problem I thought it would be.

I never thought we needed 3 versions of a lot of figures, I do hope we can get a couple of generics in the common slots of each set.

While I enjoy the idea of special powers, I'd prefer they stuck to the combination of standard powers or limited them to one per figure. I know they'd never have been able to make a character like Deadman without them so I have to vote in favor of that as well.

I really believe something has to be done about scale though. When Nightwing towers above the giants in a set its not a good thing. I don't know why checking to see if someone's a giant bothers me more than checking on fliers, but perhaps it's just because I didn't see that coming. Also when I build my teams I pull them out and set them up on my shelf before I play them (diarama style) and as a collector I'd like compatability.