Which "cardboard" elements do you like?

[hair10]

Thought this would be an easy way to get all the cardboard-type elements into one poll without creating lots of seperate polls. It allows people to choose the option of liking one element type while disliking another (like feats but dislike event dials, for example).

I know that people have different feelings on items found in different ways. For example, I don't like event dials in boosters but I don't mind if they're included in an action pack. So for this poll, assume that the distribution model remains what it has been for the last couple of sets.

[BretSports2]

Great idea for a poll Hair10.

I went thumbs up on Feats and Bystanders, and thumbs down on the rest.

[pxb006]

Feats – like ‘em!
Battlefield Conditions – don’t like ‘em.
Bystander Tokens – like ‘em!
Event Dials – don’t like ‘em.

[charlesx]

Like:

Bystanders and Special Objects.

I really don't care for the rest.

Also, Hair, you missed my biggest gripe when it comes to cardboard: character cards. I seriously dislike them, mostly because it's hard to keep track of them and once you lose/damage one, the value of the clix drops. (I guess that as a concept, it's okay - but in actuality they are a pain point for me.)

[tkwink]

The only thing I don't like about BFC's is that they are pointless in casual one-on-one play. Sometimes we roll a die for a random BFC but usually they aren't a factor anywhere but in tournaments. (one day I am going to make a big wheel of random BFC's to spin before these games)

I certainly like Feats, but I have a personal policy that limits Feats to no more than 10% of any build.

With the exeption of the concept of Dial H For Hero (which is v. cool), I haven't used, or even read, any Event Dial.

[Soul]

Don't like Feats, BFCs and Bystander Tokens.

I like Special Objects and Event Dials, though.

[Rottgutt]

I'm surprised as many folks just outright dislike Event Dials.

I choose "Like 'Em", but I can certainly see the argument against them in a tournament setting. In a relaxed/friendly game they can be a lot of fun, but it can be a bit much to keep track of in a more competitive game.

[algrim]

Feats – like ‘em
Battlefield Conditions – like ‘em (in truth I could go either way with them)
Bystander Tokens – don't like ‘em!
Special Objects - like ‘em
Event Dials – LOVE them!

[loganspeedo]

Honestly though, They could get rid of all the cardboard and it wouldn't be a bad thing.

[loganspeedo]

I'm surprised as many folks just outright dislike Event Dials.

I choose "Like 'Em", but I can certainly see the argument against them in a tournament setting. In a relaxed/friendly game they can be a lot of fun, but it can be a bit much to keep track of in a more competitive game.
I really don't have an opinion on them yet as far as gameplay, but they are a hassle to deal with from a collector stand point, especially with about 15-20 other cardboard elements a set.

[Uberman]

I said I don't like feats... but I think I actually do. I just dislike the implementation of them. Make them ALL Unique by name? Make an in-rules percentage limitation? Impose, I dunno, some sort of restriction on them? Force players using them to employ them strategically rather than as a crutch?

Maybe then I'd like them again.

[Shield001]

Feats – like ‘em!
Battlefield Conditions – don’t like ‘em.
Bystander Tokens – like ‘em!
Special Objects - like 'em!

I don't care either way for event dials but I would rather them not be in the boosters. or maybe only have 1-2 per set or preferably you get one feat or bystander and one special object or event dial (or BFC if they have to stay...)

[Soul]

I said I don't like feats... but I think I actually do. I just dislike the implementation of them. Make them ALL Unique by name? Make an in-rules percentage limitation? Impose, I dunno, some sort of restriction on them? Force players using them to employ them strategically rather than as a crutch?

Maybe then I'd like them again.


A good start would be to only allow Feats on figures that have _no_ character cards.

Figures _with_ Character cards have all the special abilities (aka feats) they deserve (in the eyes of the game designers) built in. I.e. feats are obsolete for these figures.

[Stainawarjar]

I like 'em all.

[snarfery]

Dont like feats and event dials, and special objects (may help if players KEPT the rules for the special objects).

[hair10]

I choose "Like 'Em", but I can certainly see the argument against them in a tournament setting. In a relaxed/friendly game they can be a lot of fun, but it can be a bit much to keep track of in a more competitive game.
I don't have the opprotunity to play relaxed/friendly games (home games). If I'm not playing in a tourney, I'm not playing and that's why I don't like them. For me they just take up space in the booster where I could be getting something useful.

I like everything else though.

[Batmandu]

I'm fairly positive (or at least not negative) on all the cardboard elements other then Bystander Tokens.



My gripe with them is that they should be just that; bystanders.

I'd rather they hold off making Amanda Waller, Misty Knight, Colleen Wing, Detective Chimp and so on if it means that somewhere down the line they might be the 3D element they deserve to be.

BSTs should be reserved for the Aunt May's and Lian Harpers of the comic world...

[phantalien]

I wish there was a do not care either way choice. That is my choice for BFC's.

I think event dials add too many variables on an event dial to make it fun, although the only one I would ever play is Dial H for Hero.

[The Hultquist]

Keep in mind that this is from the perspective of someone who exclusively plays home games, but here are my thoughts/votes:


BFCs: Like ‘em
Feats: Don’t like ‘em
Bystanders: Don’t like ‘em
Special Objects: Like ‘em
Event Dials: Like ‘em


With regard to the elements I don’t care for, while Feats were once a useful (perhaps integral) element to allow certain pieces to do character-appropriate things above and beyond their listed powers, with the advent of Special Powers, there’s no reason for, say, Mr. Fantastic not to have a Brilliant Tactician feature built into the piece. While I respect the argument from both a comic accuracy and gameplay standpoint that there might be some feats that should apply to a wide range of characters (Pounce, perhaps), by and large I would like to see Feats phased out and more feat-like Special Powers.

For Bystanders, again, this is not a strategic or tournament-based argument; I just think that there are very few characters who don’t deserve their own clix. (Batmandu beat me to articulating this thought, but I agree completely)

[Mr. Pilkington]

I voted against them all. Each element had potential when it first appeared but I've soured on them all.

Feats - too many rule conflicts and then you have to remember that a give figure has it (either mine or my opponent's)(Note: I also kind of dislike the special powers because I'm too used to glancing a dial and knowing what it can do from the colors.)

BFCs - neat at first but eventually fell down to abuse of a few with lots of OD to cancel them. Theme team ignore/cancel just made it worse IMO.

Pogs - I don't like getting characters I like as cardboard. I'm looking at you Lockheed and Doug Ramsey.

Special Objects - again rules conflicts and as others have mentioned, the apparent difficulty people have with saving the rules for them in the first place. 3-D objects are cool but not if you can't remember what they do.

Event Dials - Much like others have mentioned, I don't really get to play non-tournament games these days. The fact that EDs replace BFCs and generally slow down the game equates to not seeing them in tournaments. So they sit in my cases, taunting me with the fun they might be.

I honestly wouldn't mind losing *all* of the extra elements in boosters. Lower the booster prices and just include 3-D elements elsewhere (i.e. 3-D objects in starter sets/action packs, 3-D event dials as prizes for themed tournament seasons, etc.). But that is merely my opinion.

[SaferSephiroth]

I only dislike Battlefield conditions.

[lancebrook]

Feats – like ‘em!
Battlefield Conditions – don’t like ‘em.
Bystander Tokens – like ‘em!
Event Dials – don’t like ‘em.

Donna Troy winning team

Warskrull
Iron Widow
R Mockingbird
Winter Soldier
Nick Fury w/ Thwart and Running Start

Dude, You're winning team appears to be 401. I was going to copy, but it goes over by one.

[Larabic]

Feats: Don't like em - clix were meant to have weaknesses and vulnerabilities, just like the comic characters.

Battlefield conditions: Never cared for some of them where waaay over the top some were just kind of silly.

Bye standards: Like them, useful, non hero back ground characters, good for scenarios and scenery in some games.

Special Items: Like them, tombstone, meteorite, satellite dish... all flavorful items. As long as they aren't over used or used the same ones every game i like them. Usually we put all our objects in a bag and randomly draw them out so special items favor no one specifically.

Event Dials: A big bag of meh... interesting in our big 4 player swarm games.

[Rottgutt]

I really don't have an opinion on them yet as far as gameplay, but they are a hassle to deal with from a collector stand point, especially with about 15-20 other cardboard elements a set.

You know, never having attempted to collect an entire set, that never even occurred to me. Excellent point.

I don't have the opprotunity to play relaxed/friendly games (home games). If I'm not playing in a tourney, I'm not playing and that's why I don't like them. For me they just take up space in the booster where I could be getting something useful.

I can understand that. In your case, they're useless for you as a tournament prize as well because you'll never play them (unless it's a special unrestricted event or something). Which means the larger prize Event Dials like Crisis and Planet Hulk are basically trophies and that's all.

[Bat-Dude]

Feats – like ‘em!
Battlefield Conditions – don’t like ‘em.
Bystander Tokens – don’t like ‘em.
Special Objects – like ‘em!
Event Dials – don’t like ‘em.

I only like Feats and barely like some Special Objects. I'll use Battlefield Conditions when forced and only use the Bystanders for CSA teams. I'm pretty neutral on Event Dials except that I don't like how they've messed up the rarity on the cardboard.

[Wolverine_Hulk]

I like everything except Event Dials. I transfer all the objects out for special objects.

[Ouchmaker]

Well, the only one I placed under don't like were the Bystanders. It's not because I dislike Bystanders, I just feel that:

a) Every bystander token made makes the odds more against that particular character ever being made as a real figure. And there's quite a few bystanders that could pull their weight as real figures.

b) The odds of getting the correct cardboard these days is around the ballpark of getting an SR from a booster, which is pretty ridiculous.

If it were to me to place the cardboard into the order of liking, it would be:

Feats: always useful.
Battlefield Conditions: extremely useful in tournaments, less used in friendly matches.
Special Objects: useful in all types of matches.
Event Dials: useful in friendly matches.
Bystanders: useful in tournaments to fill the extra points.

How about another poll, where you could vote for the amount of cardboard in a booster?

This IMO would be ideal for a set:
5 Feats
3 BFC's
2 SO's
3 Events
2 BST's.
a total of 15 cardboard, and thus easier to collect them all.

[First Lensman]

I'm surprised as many folks just outright dislike Event Dials.

I choose "Like 'Em", but I can certainly see the argument against them in a tournament setting. In a relaxed/friendly game they can be a lot of fun, but it can be a bit much to keep track of in a more competitive game.

I am ambivilent about Feat and BFCs.

Feats are way overused and some limits should be put on their use. Some suggestions are:

1. Can only used one of a feat on a build (Example: you may use 1 Fortitude, 1 Armor Piercing, and 1 Protected in your build, but you cannot have all three on every figure).

2. A figure can only have 1 feat placed on them.

3. Limit the total points for feats to 10% of the total build (i.e. if it's a 300 point game, then you can have at most 30 points of feats)

I personally don't like having two battlefield conditions mucking up the game. I would like to see each player bring 1 BFC to a tournament, have the judge shuffle them, and then draw one in each match to be played by all teams.

I do like Event Dials in a relaxed setting playing with friends. They are a blast. We playtested a preliminary version of the Unlimited Cage Match based on a two page write-up. It was great!

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I voted:

Yes, Feats and Special Objects

No, Bystander Tokens

I'm neutral on the others. While I'm pretty use dto BFCs, I don't think I'd mind if they disappeared. I really liked them at first, now I don't care. Same with the dials.

[IceHot]

Mostly I like all that stuff.

However there are some FEATS which I feel are...

incorrectly priced (eg. Nanobots)
ruled improperly (eg. Protected)
over used due to poor or no prereqs (eg. Armor Piercing)
over costed and poorly functioned (eg. Fastball Special and Sneak)
too difficult to obtain (eg. Warbound)
Duplicated too many times (eg. Armor Piercing, Protected)

(nonethless I overall like them)

There are some BFCs which I feel are....

pointless (eg. Critical Strike)
ruled improperly (eg. Armor Wars)
too difficult to obtain (eg. Blood Curse)
Bad for the game (eg. Malice)
Duplicated too many times (eg. Ordinary Day, Poor Teamwork)

(nonethless I overall like them)

There are some Bystanders which I feel are....

Overpriced (eg. Harvey Bullocks)
Ridiculously Underpriced (eg. Mary-Jane with the Spidey TA)
Pointless and inappropriate to the game (eg. Lian Harper)
Could be represented with a full figure (eg. Detective Chimp, Amanda Waller)
Could have been designed slightly better (eg. Matter-Eater Lad)
Redundantly unnecessary in a redundant way unecessarily (eg. Janet Pym, the Wasp)

(nonethless I overall dont mind them and like some of them)

There are some Special Objects which I feel are....

Ludicrous for free (eg. The Vine)
Distracting from the game (eg. SFG)
too easily abused (eg. SIF)
too silly for free (eg. The Laser Turret)
Way too absurd and abusable when used for free (eg. The Meteorite - not mention poorly worded)

All in all I dont like these elements as they are difficult to keep track of (as to what they actually do). The borders need to be kept as the mechanics dont actually fit on the objects themselves making the game for me far more complicated then Special Powers. Also they are far to abusable for no cost in ponts which imbalances them. For me they do far more to detract from the basic game then do to help restrict abusive team builds or add interesting balanced elemnts of play (as the BFCs more often do).


As for Event Dials...I have yet to really try them out...but in principle I do like them as a casual game play element.

[burleigh2]

BFCs and Event Dials are a tricky one for me.... I like the idea, but the use of them is something I don't like as much (maybe because they aren't played as much in my area). I don't like the fact that EDs take the place of a feat/SO/BFC (especially since the distribution requires less boosters to get a full set, which means to get a full set of "cardboard", you have to buy more than a case and get a ton of duplicate figures). I would rather the EDs be in place of a common figure (1 out of 3-5 boosters would be good). BFCs are a nice ideal, but I think I look lower on them because I haven't used them much at all.
Bystanders are just an annoyance and a let down after the initial "Ooh, cheap MM Fodder!!". To have 5-8 of these in a set takes up almost half a case worth of cardboard that I can get... it really makes it tough to get feats because of this (much less duplicates), and they are all the same old same old that's been done (with 1-2 exceptions per set... maybe). I would be very happy with 2-3 bystanders per set at the most.

[brevard321]

Personally, I like them all, a lot! Some of the feats are overpowered and crazy-efficient, but that is true of some of the characters as well.

I'd like to see even more of the 6th element cardboard/ed pieces, and would like to see more in boxed sets like the starter set. Ideally for me, the FF starter set would contain the 7 characters, 2 bfc, 2 feats, 1 ed, 2 special objects, and 6 bystander tokens! :)

I would just like to see more opportunities to acquire feats and other USEFUL pieces, like say how the Mighty Thor or Man of Steel was packaged. I know the new rarity has made it very hard to collect a full set of cardboard, but how is that any different than the difficulty in collecting a full set of the character pieces? :)

Oh, I'd also like to see a change to the event dial rules. If one player wants to play one, and the other doesn't, there should be a roll-off to determine if it's played.

I think this would make the ed in general much more useful, and they would be another game element for a player to prepare for, much like BFC and other cards. I would also allow a player to use Ordinary Day on an event dial to cancel it if they lost the roll-off, and also use their theme team cancel to cancel it if they lost the roll-off. :)

[Space Jawa]

I had to fight temptation to vote for every single option on that list just because I could :P

[Kenny Wisdom]

I like all of them, except event dials.

It's not that I dislike event dials, I actually think that they're pretty cool, I just think they've been done wrong. Maybe if some of the Crisis events ran event dials people would be forced to try them out, but nobody around me even uses them because it's too much of a hassle. Most people don't even wanna try just because it seems convulted.

I need to play with some though.

[Glen Quagmire]

Voted yes to all of 'em. :) A few months ago, I would have voted no on the bystanders. But I like the direction they went for them with Crisis, so hopefully we're on a better track with them thanks to the special powers and we can get away from the "hero's girlfriend" and "gov't liaison" pogs that show up each set and wind up with the same stats.

Well, the only one I placed under don't like were the Bystanders. It's not because I dislike Bystanders, I just feel that:

a) Every bystander token made makes the odds more against that particular character ever being made as a real figure. And there's quite a few bystanders that could pull their weight as real figures.


I guess that's a chicken vs. the egg deal. Many pogs probably have little chance of getting sculpted in the first place. Some are nixed from being made sculpts by the publishers (Detective Chimp).

[Norym]

I love BFCs, like Feats and Special Objects.

Dislike Bystander tokens and abhor Event Dials.

[Granite Moose]

Feats:I like what these have added to the game. I can even work around the few extremely cost-efficient ones (protected, I'm looking at you).

BFC's:I like these for the most part, but wouldn't really miss them if they disappeared.

Bystander Tokens:I like the element these offer for rounding out a team.

Special Objects:Pretty meh. If they disappeared I wouldn't care. If they stay, I wouldn't care.

Event Dials:Get rid of them please.

[airdomin8]

Instead of event dials, maybe give us a few more "puck" characters like Ant-Man or Invisible Woman or Shrinking Violet.

Or have the possibilities or gimmick been exhausted?

I know! Advertise a "naked" Invisible Woman!

[saturnflight]

Love everything... except Bystanders.
I'm still bitter about having my generics turned to cardboard. Moloids never would have been the awesome figures they are if Bystanders had been around. Look at what happened to the poor Thug! But mostly, I find them unimaginative (rare exceptions). It's so dull to pull ANOTHER 5 point, 7/8/14/1 bystander. And especially in DC, where there's no direct comic art!

[Manchine]

I pretty much am in the minority for all of them.

Feats – don’t like ‘em!
Battlefield Conditions – like ‘em!
Bystander Tokens – don’t like ‘em!
Event Dials – like ‘em!

[Manchine]

Event Dials seem to be the closest 43/57.

[Remjer]

My thoughts on card board are complicated.

I like feats that are simply and boost powers (auto regen, metal shields, Swingline) but anything too complicated seems to bog the game down and/or is usually the use of abuse. Also in this special power world they seem to be more and more unnecessary

same for battlefield conditions atlantis rising, skyscrapers etc

special objects are fun but they seem make some odd ideas with thought the hydrant was a nice new one

events dials are ok I've maybe used them once or twice but some like Evolutionary war are kind ridiculous to keep track of.


and the fact there is four different "addition content" types in booster they should probably lessen the amount of each. I say this because in the last two set I bought two bricks and usually find myself missing nearly all of one the four types, and I'm not buying booster just for once piece of cardboard

[Darth Sabre]

I like them all. If I had to get rid of one though, it would be the event dials.

[Shuttle]

Many pogs probably have little chance of getting sculpted in the first place. Some are nixed from being made sculpts by the publishers (Detective Chimp).

Yerwhatnow? Since when did DC nix a Detective Chimp? Can you quote your source? Why would they stop such a cool character being 'clixed when they allow all the others?

[1clickbraindmg]

My only gripe is that the Event Dials take up a slot in the booster -- they are, as yet, the only element of a force or a game your opponent can outright refuse to "recognize."

Ever try to tell the other player you'd rather not let him use 'Protected?'
(Short form: Love the idea, the built-in scenarios haven't been awful -- I'd just rather have the *option* to buy a purely *optional* game element.)

[Devon_v]

I like everything except the pogs. Maybe if I didn't pull 75% pogs I'd feel differently. I don't need another 7 point character who can't fight, I need feats that allow my real characters to fight better.

[Glen Quagmire]

Yerwhatnow? Since when did DC nix a Detective Chimp? Can you quote your source? Why would they stop such a cool character being 'clixed when they allow all the others?

I can't point you to the statement, but during the CD previews when Detective Chimp's pog was shown, WK spokesman at the time, Brother Magneto, came out and said he was a pog because DC nixed the sculpt.

Plenty of folks who were on the boards back then will recall the post.