One Thread To put it to BED- Shape Change

[oldplayerjustgotback]

1)When decalre an action and target someone with shape change and he makes the roll what happends?
a) i believe if someone else is in range you must target them correct?
b) if noone else is in range do you get a taken?
c) if noone else is in range to you get to make a different kind of action?

2)Running shot (current rules not new ones)
a) Do you target where you stand or where you end up?
b) if there is no other viable target after the shape change roll is made do you get a token?
c) can you change your action?


Bonus
When do the new running shot rules come in , or are they stilljust being discussed?

Please answer back with clear smple examples for each, reference the one you are answering.
Please site examples or quotes from Wizkids, not just simple yes and no's.

[BigSoph]

Bonus
When do the new running shot rules come in , or are they stilljust being discussed?

What new running shot rules?

[burleigh2]

1) You have the option of any of those. If you can target FigA and FigB and FigA rolls SC, you can target FigB, you can move, or you can take any other legal action... but you MUST take a tokenable action (not a free action like OW).

2) RS has always been that you target and shoot from where you move to. If you RS to shoot a SC figure and they make the roll, you have to choose another target because you're already done with part of the action... if there are no other valid targets, you're taking the token and staying where you are anyway (you have to blow up some blocking terrain or an object if they are available per the description, as those are valid targets).

Both of those answers come straight from the PAC.

Bonus - We won't know of any official rule changes until an FAQ, Errata, or new rulebook/PAC come out. That's the only time that rules can "change" (per the official documents for Approved Play).

[burleigh2]

Oops, forgot to quote the PAC.
Give this character a power action; halve its speed value for the action. Move this character up to its replacement speed value and give it one ranged combat action as a free action....
It says you move, then you give it an attack action... you don't target until you make the attack action
SHAPE CHANGE When this character is chosen as the target of an attack, roll one d6. On a result of 5 or 6, the attack can’t be made. The attacker must choose another target or be given a different action.
This specifically says that it kicks in only once a character is chosen as the target of an attack, not an action... that's why you can't take the whole RS action back, just the attack part of it. That's why you're stuck with the movement of RS (or Charge, for that matter). Since the action has already been started and you've already done part of it, you can't declair a new action... but you can choose another target and use another available power.
What I mean by that is that [example] if you have EE and Incap (via a SP) and you were trying to use a regular attack on the SC figure, you could switch to a different target and make a regular attack, EE, or Incap (or any other power the figure has that would be legal and available from a RS action).
Does that answer all your questions on this?

[oldplayerjustgotback]

My only problem witht hat is there is a large number or forums on here stating that if you have no legal target you will not get a token for your character. Examples have been giving of a character charging or running shotting at a single target only to have the person makle the roll. In those cases the character stayed in the new location but where not given an action token.
This same ruling can also be found in the supergenes rule thread ( i can't site it right now cause i'm at work)

[Jarimy123]

No if they make the shape change roll you still have to give the character an action. When you Running Shot you move, target the figure w/shape change, if they hit, you try and find another target, if there isn't one you were still given a power action to attempt the running shot, which failed, so you give the character a token. Same thing with charge, you give them a power action to move half your move, you then give them a free action attack, then shape change is rolled, if shape change is made, you attempt to make the attack on another legal target, if there isn't one you still made a power action to do the charge, which failed, give the character a token.

[oldplayerjustgotback]

I did ask for refernces . Not come just saying Yes you can , No you can't. I would like someone to look at the supergene rule set and tell me if they are mistaken. If they are i'll have to find a new set of rules. The wizkids ones are horrible for finding information.

[Entertainer13]

I did ask for refernces . Not come just saying Yes you can , No you can't. I would like someone to look at the supergene rule set and tell me if they are mistaken. If they are i'll have to find a new set of rules. The wizkids ones are horrible for finding information.
All I know is ust point right to the PAC - it sas they must take another action, therefore, the token. That just might be a move action, those poor souls.

[burleigh2]

I did ask for refernces . Not come just saying Yes you can , No you can't. I would like someone to look at the supergene rule set and tell me if they are mistaken. If they are i'll have to find a new set of rules. The wizkids ones are horrible for finding information.
That's why I quoted the PAC... it says exactly what each does and when.

My only problem witht hat is there is a large number or forums on here stating that if you have no legal target you will not get a token for your characterAnd they are wrong... their ideas are based on misinformation, while the examples I gave you are based directly from the PAC and rules.

[burleigh2]

No if they make the shape change roll you still have to give the character an action. When you Running Shot you move, target the figure w/shape change, if they hit, you try and find another target, if there isn't one you were still given a power action to attempt the running shot, which failed, so you give the character a token.
And this is exactly why they are given a token... because a power action was given and SC says to take a different action if the roll hits.
Technically, a figure could take a power action and do nothing just to take a token (just like they can make a 0-movement move action).