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ol_Dut
05/05/2008, 15:51
ol_Dut's LE Review: FCBD Iron Man
by Justin Dekker

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Thump, Thump, Thump

Ahem.
Hey, is this thing on?

Have WizK!ds lost their minds?
Can Seth see or is he blind?
Can Iron Man move and attack?
Or if he does will he get whacked?

All good questions, and my most sincere apologies to Black Sabbath. Now click on in here and let's see what we've got to work with as we take a can opener to FCBD Unique Iron Man.

Please click on "Read More" to continue.

ol_Dut
05/05/2008, 16:01
A new movie, Free Comic Book Day, and an old sculpt have conspired together to give us a new Iron Man clix. But don’t let that old sculpt and fight stand fool you, this figure is 100% top to bottom immersed in all the trappings of HeroClix 4.0. Character card? Check! Special Powers? Check! Can’t soar? Check! Worth playing? Let's investigate!

http://www.hcrealms.com/units/aw076.jpg

The closest thing to compare U Robert Downey, Jr. to is the Armor Wars Rookie from whom the sculpt was appropriated. Here’s what we find when we brush away the mothballs.

#076 R Iron Man
Team: Avengers
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 89
AE Base: Crimson Dynamo (Green)
Keywords: Armor, Avengers, Scientist
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And here is the dial for Robert Downey, Jr.

#200 U Iron Man(or Robert Downey, Jr.)
Team: Shield
Range: 10 :bolt:
Points: 100
Keywords: Avengers, Scientist, S.H.I.E.L.D.
m-winga-normald-normalg-normal1011173101017391016399162891628816278151KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO:d-normal: Invincible: Damage dealt to Iron Man is reduced to 1

U Iron Man’s Gains vs. Rookie Iron Man
Evidently Robert Downey, Jr. contracted with a host of the lowest bidders in order to afford all of the upgrades he packs in to his metal pants for an extremely modest 11 point increase. For starters he’s got one more click of Running Shot, a mid-dial click of Charge and a range of 10. Offensively he’s got three clicks of Energy Explosion that arrive with one click of 11 attack and two 10 attacks. That’s worth the 11 points already, but wait! There’s more! He’s also got two more clicks of Energy Shield Deflection and two of the “Invincible” special power which reduces damage dealt to one paltry click. Rum-Tin-Tin also picks up two 17 defenses and one 16 which make him a little harder to hit. This new Iron Man also hits a little harder with three, count ‘em, three clicks of three (3) damage. To that end he also adds one more click of Close Combat Expert. Rounding out the very long list of new goodies, U Iron Man gets the SHIELD TA and keyword. That is a shameful amount of stuff to pick up for just 11 points. Somebody tell me again how the point formula hasn’t changed. I really want to know.

U Iron Man’s Losses vs. Rookie Iron Man
Immediately visible is the fact that U Iron Man doesn’t have the Avengers team ability or Armor keyword. There are also a whole laundry list of powers that are absent from his dial that include Force Blast, Earthbound and Toughness. The other two obvious losses are functions of the game's evolution to version 4.0. First, although he has the “classic HeroClix” flight stand, this new Iron Man cannot soar (not that the old one can anymore either, but in theory the new one doesn’t have to pay for that ability). Secondly, that arch-enemy base is gone and is never to return.

Neutral Dial Tinkering
The old Rookie Iron Man had his damage powers spread out a little on his dial, but Junior pushes his Close Combat Expert and Ranged Combat Expert to the bottom just like the olive in his martini.

http://www.hcrealms.com/gallery/data/500/rdjr.jpg
Tony was shocked to discover that his suit didn't provide that kind of "protection".

If ol_Dut had to Choose
U Iron Man vs. Rookie Iron Man? There is no choice. The all boozy Robert Downey, Jr. is going to get picked every time. Why? To begin with his attack powers are completely amped up. Heaven knows there are quite a few 100 point figures out there that can’t muster better than a nine (9) attack value and this guy has an 11 and a pair of 10s. He’s got some nines too, for what it’s worth. To go along with those new attack numbers, he’s got the juice to crack Invulnerable or better defense as well thanks to all of that natural three damage. The slight increase in the defensive values are helpful as well. And let’s not forget the fun wrapped up in the “Invincible” special power. Even if one of the opposing big guns swoops in and whacks him for seven (7) he’s just going to take one. And in both instances where the power appears on his dial, that one click of damage puts him onto really good clicks – one with Running Shot, and one with Charge.

Of course then, there are those who will be quick to point out that some little punk like Robin could also pop him for one on those “Invincible” clicks. This is true. However, that’s where placement is important. If one sticks Robert Downey, Jr. out there where any Thug or Con Artist can have a free shot at him, Bobby-baby deserves everything he gets. But if he’s put thoughtfully behind a stealthed blocker, a wall, a corner of blocking terrain, etc., he should be in fine shape to whiz on out and contribute to the beat-down. And honestly, this game is all about careful placement, so that whole argument is really a non-issue.

Is this Iron Man a team leader? No, not really, but he’s not really meant to be. At 100 points, there is plenty of room to work around him in bigger games where Thor or the Hulk are going to be the biggest point figures on the squad. In a secondary attacker capacity, this Iron Man excels with fantastic attack values, good mobility and solid damage dealing capabilities. Interestingly enough, even though he’s being compared here to the Rookie from armor Wars, it’s useful to quickly recall the 154 point Unique Iron Man from Avengers. Robert has attack values that are completely equal to that figure, and his defensive values are actually better. Robert and Ultimate Iron Man have the same amount and identical placement of Energy Explosion and Super Strength. Where does Ultimate Iron Man edge him out? He beats Robert with one click of Running Shot, two of Charge, and a click of Impervious (and a click of Regeneration that realisitically he'll never use). Is that worth 54 points? With the Ultimates TA in tow perhaps, but more and more it simply makes Robert Downey, Jr. look like a complete bargain. And with points you save in fielding this new Iron Man, you could add Pepper Potts and whole bevy of other lovelies to his posse because that’s the way Mr. Buns of Steel rolls.

Quick and Dirty Price Tag
Zero. Zip. Zilch. Nada. This guy was one of many giveaways at this year's Free Comic Book Day so he shouldn't cost you a cent.

Thanks for reading!

Puuka
05/05/2008, 16:16
I would have put him up against the NGN one.

ol_Dut
05/05/2008, 16:22
I would have put him up against the NGN one.

A fine figure to be sure, but at 160 points vs. 100 points it's not a very fair comparison. Still, RD,Jr. has very similar attack values, pretty equivalent defense numbers, the same amount of move and attack clicks and a bunch of Super Strength instead of Incap. Sure NGN has some better damage values and some Outwit, but those 60 extra points have to get you something;) . That said, FCBD Iron Man actually measures up pretty well. Who'da thunk it?

malakim2099
05/05/2008, 16:23
I would have put him up against the NGN one.

Which is 60 points more? :)

Great review, dut! And I can't wait to field Robert with some SHIELDies.

Shadow40
05/05/2008, 16:24
Nice review! I was really happy to get two of them Saturday. One for me and one for my little sister. The other stuff I got free that day was just a bonus and that was a lot. :laugh:

Shellhead's Pal
05/05/2008, 16:26
Swell review, Dutterton.

Yeah, I'd much rather have the Avengers Team Ability than S.H.I.E.L.D. How often would anyone use the S.H.I.E.L.D. ability with a 100 point figure? :ermm: That said, of course the FCBD Shellhead is vastly superior!

Also, I think you meant to say "Can’t soar? Check!" instead of "Can’t hover? Check!". And his arch-enemy is Cromson Dynamo?!? By my troth, even a sinuey Cimmerian warrior would have trouble with the Son of Crom! :p

Red_Skull_XIII
05/05/2008, 16:30
Great review. If you were looking for someone to compare him to, I would have said BiBtB Anthony Stark . . . as they're both 100 points :rolleyes:

tkwink
05/05/2008, 16:32
Is 'armor' the new 'mutant'? Kind of annoying it got left off.

Shame that he doesn't have at least a click Force Blast. Iron Man should have repulsors and Energy Explosion doesn't equate.

But these are minor quibbles - Movie Star Iron Man rocks. I will be playing him with Protected every time though.

ol_Dut
05/05/2008, 16:37
Great review. If you were looking for someone to compare him to, I would have said BiBtB Anthony Stark . . . as they're both 100 points :rolleyes:

True enough, but the review would have been even shorter and the outcome would have been even more decisively in Robert Downey, Jr's favor.:) Besides, maybe I'm mis-remembering, but I'm not sure that anyone has ever had anything nice to say about BibtB Tony Stark. He wasn't even really "FREE" because you had to pay a couple of bucks for shipping and handling. Bobby-baby, however, is completely and truly free;) .

elfholme
05/05/2008, 16:37
I really love this figure. One of the better Iron Man sculpts, a good value dial that seems plenty accurate (he can shoot AND lift up objects...just like in the comics!), and FREE! WK hit a home run here as far as I'm concerned. Very smart to tie in so well to a major motion picture.

malakim2099
05/05/2008, 16:39
Is 'armor' the new 'mutant'? Kind of annoying it got left off.


Well, my theory is, since this is Tony Stark, Director of SHIELD, that Seth didn't think the Extremis was the same as armor, since that really turned Tony into a cyborg of sorts.

Just my theory... admittedly, I don't know much about the extremis, so I couldn't say for sure.

Neverfate
05/05/2008, 16:43
RDJ rocks. His click is vastly superior to most other Iron Man figures to date. I think this review clearly points that out. Now everyone can go back to mumbling and grunting about the point formula and how it's changed drasitcally.

I also love the NGN Iron Man. I think I'm going to go compare the RDJ and NGN clicks in the Units section now.

combatninja
05/05/2008, 16:51
I'm loving the FCBD Iron Man. At only 100 points and with keywords like scientist and Avengers he'll likely end up on a lot of teams. Thank you Wizkids (see, I'm not completly without praise).

Ironman1994
05/05/2008, 16:54
Nice Review!

I think he's the only IRON MAN worth his point value. Even Hulkbuster wasn't worth it.

(And if anybody has an extra copy, I'll be willing to trade. My local shop owner wouldn't buy any cause he thought they'd sit around at his shop.:cheeky: )

jackstar7
05/05/2008, 16:55
First Rampaging Hulk and now Iron Man... these free figures are really showing that Seth knows how to pack a punch into a figure that still needs more friends for the team.

Great stuff. Great review!

bill4935
05/05/2008, 16:55
Good review! (Spoiler-free!) This really is a great piece for the points and for the $$ cost. It's nice that someone put some thought into this, designing it to be a good introduction to the game: a solid team piece with a Special Power that's not too hard to understand (Jericho stinks!).

I predict that this piece will be more sought after yet more limited in supply compared to previous FCBD pieces (Mucho dinero!). I know that I (and all at my venue) will have to go to the secondary market for this one, and I wonder who else outside the Estados Unidos is in my boat too? Hidden messages rock!

tidge
05/05/2008, 17:00
I'll summarize my thoughts from the other thread:

Point Cost: A bargain for IM fans, and while pricey for SHIELD-TA players, FCBD-IM brings a lot to the table for us SHIELD-bearers.

Big plusses, in no particular order....

Move+attack, with natural 3 damage, and huge range/swing. This can break objects, terrain and crack Invuln by itself. This is no mean feat for a SHIELD TA piece.

100 points: Pricey for SHIELD, but just right considering that you need action tokens to move your swarm/use your TA.

Minuses:

After the sweet opening clicks, his dial synergy is GONE...it's a near total meltdown IMO...a lonely, unreliable click of charge. If he's been sniped, he wont have an object to use, and/or be too far to really use SStrength. If he's in close using the CCE/SS and gets hit even harder, he's now got RCE (which at least he can always use as a flier, modulo LoF)

My main gripe? The Superstrength. I would GLADLY have traded every click of SS for either better stats, more move+attack, Force Blast, or a second ranged target. Back-dial Super Strength is just not a reliable power, even considering the feats that require it. I suppose that "yoink" is always an option, but for his cost, FCBD Iron Man had better be making attacks, not playing subtle games of rearrange the furniture.

mohenjo
05/05/2008, 17:00
I like him. Played a SHIELD keyword team and his 10 range came in very handy.

FCBD Iron Man - 100
Sin Nick Fury - 63
AW Wolverine - 60
AW Mystique - 52
E Shield Agent - 22
Total 297

It was a little hard on the movement - except for FCBD Iron Man, the rest were bogged down by maps with lots of hindering (though that did help with all the stealth).

Pepsirox08
05/05/2008, 17:04
i got two for free and i might make a huge shield team in the future so both wil be used. That invincible is sick, especially if u have someone like Leader with the mastermind 4 squares away. that 5 damage turns to 1.
BUUUUUT it can be outwitted...so maybe carry around a rip hunter. both scientist so the theme of that may still work. nice review can wait to use them!!

WolvieFan9
05/05/2008, 17:06
I LOVE this Iron Man and can't wait to play him!

And this Iron Man's best friend is going to be Coordination... with all those SHIELD Agents out there running around, Coodination will let him shoot through those figures to smack his targets around.

An excellent piece for a SHIELD swarm team -- have him and "Samuel L. Jackson" Fury commanding a big group of Guardsmen and SHIELD agents. Then, for added oomph, they can use their SHIELD TA and give the two of them some added smack.

rwint1968
05/05/2008, 17:07
Great review, thanks ol_Dut. I played FCBD Iron Man on my SHIELD team Saturday and he did outstanding. He never got KO'd and in my last game of the day he was able to take out Proteus LE from his second to last click. Oh yeah, he's a bit amped up all right, but I like him!

Thanks,
:cool:

Ouchmaker
05/05/2008, 17:11
Is 'armor' the new 'mutant'? Kind of annoying it got left off.

No, Martial Artist is the new Mutant. Even if you would add the Mutant keyword to everyone who should have it, there's still more Martial Artists now than there would be Mutants.

Great review, as always.

doctor_x
05/05/2008, 17:23
Already played him and he plays great.

Anyone notice that his set symbol is from M&M?

Plus he's both a unique/super rare fig.

Jingbandit
05/05/2008, 17:25
loved it and wondering how they are going to top it next year

biz567
05/05/2008, 17:29
Great review! I love this new Iron Man. Like I have been saying a lot lately, coordination and a SHIELD Sniper and he's ready to go!:grin:

TheRedHood
05/05/2008, 17:42
Thanks for the review! I was going to run him this week and you have convinced me! :) Now to figure out who to run with him, S.H.I.E.L.D. or Avengers?

spider_ham
05/05/2008, 17:45
"The Downey" is the best Iron Man for its cost, period. I'd rather have the SHIELD TA to lend pseudo-Enhancement to an adjacent ranged attacker, than the Avengers TA (the addition of T-Bolts will put him over 100).

The only thing missing from the dial is Leadership (for use with Inspiring Command). Just imagine: a swarm team of SHIELD Snipers who never push, led by Old Boozehead. Awesome!

ol_Dut
05/05/2008, 18:08
Minuses:

After the sweet opening clicks, his dial synergy is GONE...it's a near total meltdown IMO...a lonely, unreliable click of charge. If he's been sniped, he wont have an object to use, and/or be too far to really use SStrength. If he's in close using the CCE/SS and gets hit even harder, he's now got RCE (which at least he can always use as a flier, modulo LoF)

My main gripe? The Superstrength. I would GLADLY have traded every click of SS for either better stats, more move+attack, Force Blast, or a second ranged target. Back-dial Super Strength is just not a reliable power, even considering the feats that require it. I suppose that "yoink" is always an option, but for his cost, FCBD Iron Man had better be making attacks, not playing subtle games of rearrange the furniture.


I appreciate your points but I don't really see a big problem. Top of dial he's a ranged attacker. For the last half, he's more Close Combat. For those who are so inclined he can Nanobots his way back to one of his Running Shot clicks. If not, with that Super Strenght and CCE he's going to be doing more than pushing the beds together, err, rearranging furniture. Even if he can't get to an object, CCE and RCE will pack a pretty good punch.

fecundity
05/05/2008, 18:31
My main gripe? The Superstrength. I would GLADLY have traded every click of SS for either better stats, more move+attack, Force Blast, or a second ranged target. Back-dial Super Strength is just not a reliable power, even considering the feats that require it. I suppose that "yoink" is always an option, but for his cost, FCBD Iron Man had better be making attacks, not playing subtle games of rearrange the furniture.

I played him, and the 'yoink' made the game for me against an OOTS Batman. Bats was placed on an object to shoot Ironman, knocking him onto his SS. I grabbed the object from underneath him, allowing my line of SHIELD Snipers to let him have it.

Sure, it's different than up front SS-- but differently useful.

tyroclix
05/05/2008, 18:42
I like Iron Man thanks to his cost. His damage value is pretty low which relegates him to a solid second tier attacker - and that is what separates him from his other pricier versions.

The other armor's have the potential to front a team with support. FCBD Iron Man isn't fronting any team but he is going to be great supporting your main attackers.

tidge
05/05/2008, 19:10
I appreciate your points but I don't really see a big problem. Top of dial he's a ranged attacker. For the last half, he's more Close Combat. For those who are so inclined he can Nanobots his way back to one of his Running Shot clicks. If not, with that Super Strenght and CCE he's going to be doing more than pushing the beds together, err, rearranging furniture. Even if he can't get to an object, CCE and RCE will pack a pretty good punch.

To expand upon my points made earlier, and paraphrasing them from the other thread:

I'll ignore Nanobots because it is (practically) irrelevant if a character has Superstrength or not to maximize Nanobots (ab)usage.

The top clicks he's pretty much got to be the mobile attacker, tacking advantage of his range/running shot, so the chances of him being close to an object/close enough to make attacks with the object...plus he has to hope that there are ANY objects left in the game! It isn't usually the case that a player deploys his team/objects hoping to take enough damage to end up on Superstrength.

The chances are good that a SHIELD team isn't otherwise planning on using them for offense, and it is very likely opponents will have used them up, or wasted effort destroying them while trying to stay out of his range.

IMO, Superstrength really only works with a either move+attack (because picking up an object otherwise takes an action that could better be used to just MAKE an attack) or top dial...usually when a character is most mobile (highest MV, or has powers like Charge or Leap/Climb)

Rurouni KJS
05/05/2008, 19:17
RDJ rocks. His click is vastly superior to most other Iron Man figures to date. I think this review clearly points that out. Now everyone can go back to mumbling and grunting about the point formula and how it's changed drastically.

Maybe it has (and one would have to say Special Powers definitely don't follow the traditional formula), maybe it hasn't. Here's my take on the "hasn't changed" argument:

--Powers seem to have always cost more than raw numbers. It's why U Thor was so beastly yet affordable.

--Consecutive clicks of damage reduction seems to have always been mega-expensive. R Tony's got nearly a full dial's worth while RDJ only has 4 non-sequential clicks, and 2 of them won't even defend against Poison or EE.

--I wonder if Avengers TA is costlier than SHIELD. It should be, given the strong ATAs that Avengers can use and the action/positioning advantage of the natural ability. SHIELD is much less versatile all around and might represent a cost savings.

--It's been hypothesized that LEs and Uniques get a discount because you can't run multiples.

--Could that much Force Blast actually be pricey?

--Damage powers late-dial instead of earlier probably helps keep the price down.

--Despite Invincible's nigh-Impervious potential, the fact that it's also something less than Toughness has got to account for a likely low price on the SP. Also, the fact that SPs never qualify for Feats probably discounts them a lot, too.

Bloodsword
05/05/2008, 19:19
The only thing I can think of as far as the cost, is the 89 point figure has 6 clicks of damage reducers. While the new one only has 4. That may even out the point cost.

gambitrmp
05/05/2008, 20:04
Maybe it has (and one would have to say Special Powers definitely don't follow the traditional formula), maybe it hasn't. Here's my take on the "hasn't changed" argument:

--Powers seem to have always cost more than raw numbers. It's why U Thor was so beastly yet affordable.

--Consecutive clicks of damage reduction seems to have always been mega-expensive. R Tony's got nearly a full dial's worth while RDJ only has 4 non-sequential clicks, and 2 of them won't even defend against Poison or EE.

--I wonder if Avengers TA is costlier than SHIELD. It should be, given the strong ATAs that Avengers can use and the action/positioning advantage of the natural ability. SHIELD is much less versatile all around and might represent a cost savings.

--It's been hypothesized that LEs and Uniques get a discount because you can't run multiples.

--Could that much Force Blast actually be pricey?

--Damage powers late-dial instead of earlier probably helps keep the price down.

--Despite Invincible's nigh-Impervious potential, the fact that it's also something less than Toughness has got to account for a likely low price on the SP. Also, the fact that SPs never qualify for Feats probably discounts them a lot, too.

These are good arguements. Bottom line - either way older pieces look sad (in general) next to newer ones when you run themes. Too bad they couldn't make everyone good from the start so certain members of home theme teams wouldn't be so "fluffy". I seriously doubt everyone will get thier day in the remake sun.

tidge
05/05/2008, 20:09
These are good arguements. Bottom line - either way older pieces look sad (in general) next to newer ones when you run themes. Too bad they couldn't make everyone good from the start so certain members of home theme teams wouldn't be so "fluffy". I seriously doubt everyone will get thier day in the remake sun.


Anyone remember this stinker?

Team: Avengers
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 117
Archenemy: Mandarin (Yellow)
Keywords: Armor, Avengers, Celebrity, Scientist
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Superclone
05/05/2008, 20:46
I wish my shop had gotten a shipment of these things. Now I have to try to get one on the web. That blows, especially since I was down there at 10am to get it :mad:

Monkey Joe
05/05/2008, 20:50
BIBTB Anthony is definately better than the 89 point Rook IMO. Top of the dial SS and Outwit? Yes please.

But this new one is way better than both for sure. Point system? Yeah right :rolleyes: .

hulkclixer
05/05/2008, 21:41
The new FCBD iron man is going to be great to pair up w/a bunnch of shield figs and should fit in most teams for the lower point cost. Great fig for free!!! Keep up the good work wizkids.

Preacher13
05/05/2008, 21:51
Great review, as always! I have one on the way and I'm excited. I LOVE the inclusion of the SHIELD TA, by the way. I know it's not the best for gameplay, compared to some others, but it's the tie in to comics that I love so much. These are the things that are really fun and great about HClix!

Kudos to you and to WK for a nice piece for free!

wayshaw
05/05/2008, 21:52
i dont know if this has been asked, but if i put Life Mode Decoy on my FCBD iron man, would he ever take damage?

wickedjohn
05/05/2008, 22:16
I hate when I read that some people got more than one. That extra one coulda' been mine (I didn't get one)or some kid who didn't get one. I saw some on e-bay saturday and it made me mad that some got them just to sell (maybe got two--one to keep one to sell). Having to pay for a free fig? I declare SHENANIGANS!!!!

MaximuM_MayheM
05/05/2008, 22:31
Very good figure. Too bad when I went to get one, they were all gone, forcing me to pay $3 (plus $3 shipping) to get one off eBay. Bah.

spider_ham
05/05/2008, 23:54
i dont know if this has been asked, but if i put Life Mode Decoy on my FCBD iron man, would he ever take damage?

The feat reduces damage dealt by 1, only if damage would not be reduced by a power or ability. If a damage value of 0 or 1 is considered "reduced" for purposes of using his SP (even if the value is equal to or less than 1), then you wouldn't be able to reduce the single click of damage. :(

Normally, he'd only be able to reduce the damage on his ES/D clicks, but I've forgotten whether the feat is applicable to the entire dial, or only to portions of it...

I like the SP, though. It's like using Protected with an action token, except that you only take pushing damage, and aren't dealt the extra token.

Daky
05/06/2008, 00:13
Quick question...
Every FCBD Figure has not been tournament legal becase of the dreaded Purple Ring. This one does not have one.. Does that mean he can be played in any restriced event????

Thunderwebs
05/06/2008, 02:37
Quick question...
Every FCBD Figure has not been tournament legal becase of the dreaded Purple Ring. This one does not have one.. Does that mean he can be played in any restriced event????
Correct. Seth said that the figure would not have a purple ring or anything else that would make it illegal to play. :)

Slade Wilson
05/06/2008, 13:16
Which is 60 points more? :)

Great review, dut! And I can't wait to field Robert with some SHIELDies.

take tose 60 points and give him fortitude repulsor shield and nano bots or armor piercing!

now he blows the ngn away!

Mr. Pilkington
05/06/2008, 13:25
The feat reduces damage dealt by 1, only if damage would not be reduced by a power or ability. If a damage value of 0 or 1 is considered "reduced" for purposes of using his SP (even if the value is equal to or less than 1), then you wouldn't be able to reduce the single click of damage. :(

Normally, he'd only be able to reduce the damage on his ES/D clicks, but I've forgotten whether the feat is applicable to the entire dial, or only to portions of it...

LMD has no pre-reqs so it would work his whole dial, with the restriction of "not reduced by any other effect". I'm hoping the official ruling here would be that Invincible does not reduce a 1 damage at all (it would seem silly to say that it reduces a number to itself, but stranger things have happened), thus allowing LMD to trigger. That would mean you'd need at least 2 damage to hurt Iron Man on his Invincible clicks. That would give him a Toughness equivalent on 5 clicks, making him immune to Poison and most Bystanders. Is it worth 12 points? Maybe. It would also mean foregoing Nanobots since LMD prevents healing. Both would be thematic feats for Iron Man in my book.

eshuroger
05/06/2008, 13:43
Looks like I'll have to get this Iron Man some other way. I requested the day off of work a month ahead of time, and took the bus out to my normal comic store. They had the FCBD comics, but hadn't heard about an Iron Man figure.

I got back on the bus, and took it the entire way in the other direction, to try a different store. They had had the free heroclix, but were out of them by the time I got there.

So no free Iron Man for me, but I did get to spend a useless couple of hours on the city transit.

deathstroke1134
05/06/2008, 15:39
the movie was good

anonym0use
05/06/2008, 15:55
I think your comparrison to the R was spot on. Also interesting to see the Avengers/Ultimates & FCBD side by side...

av002

mu200

For my money, FCBD is my new favorite Iron man. I can actually fit a few more people on a pro-reg team with him!

Maniac_nmt
05/07/2008, 00:36
Nice Review!

I think he's the only IRON MAN worth his point value. Even Hulkbuster wasn't worth it.

(And if anybody has an extra copy, I'll be willing to trade. My local shop owner wouldn't buy any cause he thought they'd sit around at his shop.:cheeky: )

The original Ultimate Iron Man and NGN ones are both well worth their points.

Split 8 EE with Ultimates is nothing to sneeze at.

ironchefjew
05/07/2008, 11:54
The original Ultimate Iron Man and NGN ones are both well worth their points.

Split 8 EE with Ultimates is nothing to sneeze at.

I miss those days too ; ;

Mr. Pilkington
05/07/2008, 12:57
I kind of wish we had a new sculpt on this one, only because I love having different armor sculpts available. I'd still like a clean sculpt of the Neo-Classic suit (the one immediately after Armor Wars). I liked the lines on it a lot more than the recent suits. I'd like to field a fleet of different armor types and for restricted right now we have all of 7 (including Zombie Iron Man, whom I would not field in the fleet, and War Machine), but a total of 15 dials:

Silver Centurion - SV NGN Iron Man
Ultimates - AV Iron Man
Original/Gold Avenger - AW U Iron Man and LE Anthony Stark
Hulkbuster - MU Hulkbuster
Zombie - MU SR Iron Man
War Machine - AW REV War Machine, AW LE James Rhodes
Current?? - AW REV Iron Man, AW LE Tony Stark, MU FCBD Iron Man

(note: I'm not sure exactly where the FCBD sculpt fits in... I'm an old Iron Man fan and haven't kept up with 616 for a long time.)

Expanding to unrestricted we pick up 2 more sculpts and 4 more dials:

Classic - XP REV Iron Man
Ultimates - UL U Iron Man

While the XP sculpt was nice the dials have always been lacking. So if you restrict to 616 (cutting both Ultimates versions and the zombie) you have 6 sculpts across 16 dials. Hard to field a fleet without sculpt duplication. :(

Now if we can just keep getting at least one specialty armor per set (Hulkbuster was a good start). Ah well, I can dream, right? :)

vamroc
05/07/2008, 18:11
He's gonna be BRUTAL with charactors that have MasterMind because he'll take all the damage then it's oh look I get healed buy some El cheapo medic putting him back on the first click.

Kite-Man
05/08/2008, 23:09
I'm sure this has been addressed in another thread-- but i like how he has a base that's different from all other current Heroclix figures (arch-enemy-style) and a flight stand-- unlike all other current Heroclix figures.
Uhh-- isn't this the sample figure to show newcomers what the game pieces are like?

I will never understand the decision-makers at Wizkids.
:rolleyes:

markrochip
05/09/2008, 01:08
I'm trying to work out a quality team with FCBD Iron Man and NGN Iron Man together. They're both pretty awesome.

Daveofchaos
05/12/2008, 17:51
To be honest i believe that in its day, the rookie armour wars figure was worth its points and could go punch for punch against most other figures around the same time. The problem with this comparison is that the new director of shield has been built to be able to go against the newer figures worth around the same points. When looking at the newer figures for example, Forerunner i found a 73 point figure which can take out most bigger figures from any set, 5 dmg exploit weakness on first click, followed by 11 attack bcf 3 clicks into the dial. I feel after origin the sets became more and more powerful and to conclude i feel comparing quite an old figure from a set about to be retired against a brand new set is quite a mismatched comparison.

anonym0use
05/12/2008, 19:27
To be honest i believe that in its day, the rookie armour wars figure was worth its points and could go punch for punch against most other figures around the same time. The problem with this comparison is that the new director of shield has been built to be able to go against the newer figures worth around the same points. When looking at the newer figures for example, Forerunner i found a 73 point figure which can take out most bigger figures from any set, 5 dmg exploit weakness on first click, followed by 11 attack bcf 3 clicks into the dial. I feel after origin the sets became more and more powerful and to conclude i feel comparing quite an old figure from a set about to be retired against a brand new set is quite a mismatched comparison.


A very interesting observation, and a first time poster too! Welcome to the disfunctional family of HCrealms!

tyroclix
05/12/2008, 19:52
To be honest i believe that in its day, the rookie armour wars figure was worth its points and could go punch for punch against most other figures around the same time. The problem with this comparison is that the new director of shield has been built to be able to go against the newer figures worth around the same points.

Welcome - and let me be the first to disagree with you. :p

R Iron Man came post Legacy, Icons and Ultimates - with extreme figures. And even among Armor Wars, a set that gives us:
Warmachine
Executioner
Thunderball
Cannonball
Crimson Dynamo
Titanium Man
Captain America
Ultron
Sentry
etc - he was pretty ineffective.

Why spend 89 points for a 2 damage when I can spend the same or less points and get much more threatening figures like:
V Echo - 38
V Banshee - 90
E/V Aurora - 60 / 65
R Thunderball - 72
V Psylocke - 75
V Sunfire - 75
V Dazzler - 68
U Spider-Woman - 65
U Spider-Man - 72
U Mystique - 52
U Wolverine - 60

R Iron Man was always lame. I think the E was the cheapest usable version for a long time...

operative128
05/12/2008, 20:27
<snip>

Of course then, there are those who will be quick to point out that some little punk like Robin could also pop him for one on those “Invincible” clicks. This is true. However, that’s where placement is important. If one sticks Robert Downey, Jr. out there where any Thug or Con Artist can have a free shot at him, Bobby-baby deserves everything he gets. But if he’s put thoughtfully behind a stealthed blocker, a wall, a corner of blocking terrain, etc., he should be in fine shape to whiz on out and contribute to the beat-down. And honestly, this game is all about careful placement, so that whole argument is really a non-issue.

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I wouldn't say it's a non-issue. The fact that a low-cost tie-up piece can knock him off that click means I should follow up with the heavy-hitter, not the other way around.

Daveofchaos
05/13/2008, 15:20
After looking through the dials of the armour wars set i have to agree with you, that rookie ironman is quite in effective. I am happy to say yep he really is bad :devious: I think the matter which needs to be brought to the forefront is that the sets are becoming more and more powerful, when will this start leveling out?

wes_man21
06/04/2008, 10:18
Hey guys, it's been probably a year since I've posted so bear with me. Is there any difference between this sculpt and the one from Armor Wars??? Any difference in paint or base color or anything different?

Thanks!

Mr. Pilkington
06/04/2008, 11:22
Same sculpt/color scheme. The paint job varies (mine looks like he was going to play in a football game with all of the black paint under his eyes). The base does not have AE coloration like the REV had and he is glued to the flight stand.