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Stepper79
06/09/2008, 11:55
With the launch of 4th Ed of D&D I discovered that Wotc Was trying to implement a online game table to play D&D online like you would with a local group. I asked in the Fantasy League thread who might be interested on playing online and where we could for free, the Wotc game table will have a cost associated with it, once they get it launched.
Rather than play here lets use this as a recruitment thread, the persons listed below have expressed some interest in playing D&D online - either thru the Wotc game table when it is released or thru another online site or service which are listed below the players. If your name is on list then you are not committed to anything at all you are just someone who might like to play. In order to get this thing off the ground we need some DM's I figure we have enough people interested that both 3/3.5 and 4th campaigns could be played
Current List of Interested Players
evilevil
zakiszak
tenketsu
TheVagrantKing
mbauers
CurBludgeon
DarkCorsair
CaptainNifty
Stepper79
Malakim2099
Kontrol
St-Dumas
CoyoteJack
Peers
anonym0use
da-Craig-o
Tanis11
Darius-dax1
Vicious x
JackAssterson
Jawapimp
hot_fusion
GreatArelius1
pbdeberry
possible online resources
http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php?option=com_welcome&task=display&displayAll=1
http://www.kloogeinc.com/index.html
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gametable
this is a list of others
http://www.battlegroundsgames.com/links.html#anchor6
comparison chart
http://www.iconvention.org/vts-compare-ieversion.html
http://www.openrpg.com/
http://www.rptoolstutorials.net/
Stepper79
06/09/2008, 11:55
FOR the 4th ed Campaign we will be using the RPtools.net maping program for here
http://www.rptools.net/doku.php
please download the development candidate 1.3b33
for voice chat communications please download
http://www.ventrilo.com/
Thawmus.clants.net
Port number is 8888
Active Campaigns and or Campaigns currently Recruiting players
Stepper79 1st level 4th ed currently recruiting 0 slots remains open
TheVagrantKing
06/09/2008, 12:00
hmmmm....9 of us, eh? That's a rather large group. Should be interesting :)
But yeah, this could get really really muddled if a whole lot of people are interested. I mean, it's a game designed for 4 players (not sure about 4E though...). It's a simple enough fix, but it may be a good idea to attempt a contingency plan of 2 simultaneous groups (possibly 1 good, 1 evil!) that run in the same game.
Just a thought :)
Stepper79
06/09/2008, 12:05
hmmmm....9 of us, eh? That's a rather large group. Should be interesting :)
But yeah, this could get really really muddled if a whole lot of people are interested. I mean, it's a game designed for 4 players (not sure about 4E though...). It's a simple enough fix, but it may be a good idea to attempt a contingency plan of 2 simultaneous groups (possibly 1 good, 1 evil!) that run in the same game.
Just a thought :)
Yea that is what I was thinking, we could run two groups and the nice thing with extra people is, that not everyone has to play every time, and hopefully we can get a few DM's and that way the DM's can play too
malakim2099
06/09/2008, 12:07
Yea that is what I was thinking, we could run two groups and the nice thing with extra people is, that not everyone has to play every time, and hopefully we can get a few DM's and that way the DM's can play too
Always a good idea. If I ever get my books, I'd be interested...
CURSE YOU AMAZON! :p
You know, I might not have time to actually do this, but since you're already maxed, I'd love to do special guest appearances when I can. Please note, I've never actually played D&D before and would most likely need a ton of hand holding if I actually do play.
CaptainNifty
06/09/2008, 12:10
If we play 3.5 I'd be happy to DM. I don't have a bag of tricks for 4E yet, and it is so fundamentally different from 3E I don't think I could do as good of a job, so I'd rather just play 4E.
Also we might have to get a couple of groups going, since 4 is standard and 6 (I personally think) is ideal. I could easily accomadate 8 players into a group, but I'd have to draw the line at 10 players to DM for. Sessions would be strained, and I'd have to throw you guys up against some brutal oponents just to keep it interesting.
CaptainNifty
06/09/2008, 12:13
Kontrol, I have worked in special guest stars before, and the game mechanics are simple enough--in both 3.5 and 4E--so you'd do fine.
evilevil
06/09/2008, 12:57
I am really looking forward to this. I hope my Schedule permits. I haven't played DnD for almost 14 years and last time I played it was Advanced DnD. so 3rd. 3.5 4th edition rules are new to me.
Is there any place I can look and see the changes..... from 2nd to 3rd and up?
St-Dumas
06/09/2008, 13:01
Yeah, I could get in on this.
coyotejack
06/09/2008, 13:05
hmmmm....9 of us, eh? That's a rather large group. Should be interesting :)
But yeah, this could get really really muddled if a whole lot of people are interested. I mean, it's a game designed for 4 players (not sure about 4E though...). It's a simple enough fix, but it may be a good idea to attempt a contingency plan of 2 simultaneous groups (possibly 1 good, 1 evil!) that run in the same game.
Just a thought :)
Actually 10. I expressed interest yesterday in the League thread before I was off to work and PMed Stepp when I got back. :)
I like the idea of a good and bad team....mwahahahaha!
Yeah, count me in on this. Dunno if I'll have the time, but I definately have the desire.
anonym0use
06/09/2008, 13:16
I would LOVE to play, but I don't know if I have the time, or meet the requirements. I don't even know how to play online.
And I have a ...
*gasp*
Mac.
TheVagrantKing
06/09/2008, 13:19
Y'know, if this gets too big, we could always get 'creative' with it....
Maybe on our first adventure, we get mysteriously bonded together! So whereas there are 12 'souls' of characters, theres only 6 bodies for them to inhabit....so if someone's busy one day, it's fine, their persona just won't 'come up' :)
Or yeah, we could do multiple groups. And then we can have group fights :)
TheVagrantKing
06/09/2008, 13:22
I would LOVE to play, but I don't know if I have the time, or meet the requirements. I don't even know how to play online.
And I have a ...
*gasp*
Mac.
I hoenstly doubt that any of that would factor in :) I sincerely doubt that we're going to get a perfect schedule. We'll get 1-3 DMs, and then it'll be their call as to when we have the games, as to what hours and such.
Hopefully, you'll be able to fit into one of those slots (this is how i'm assuming it'll go down).
I don't think any of us know how to play online either. This is 90% a figure it out as we go kinda thing :)
da-Craig-O
06/09/2008, 13:35
I would be interested but I am not totally sure on availability. Definitely interested though.
I would also suggest 4th as it should be quicker to pick up changes for anyone new or far too old. ;)
I haven't played since AD&D either but I'd like join in on this. Not sure about time either since this isn't like play by post. We'd actually need a time to all get together on the computer at the same time. Not sure about voice either. :( In any case, I'm still interested! Back in high school I didn't really play with a group of people that were REALLY into it and actually roleplayed the characters. So in that respect, I'm definitely a newbie in trying to flesh out characters....but I'm in!!! :)
evilevil
06/09/2008, 13:49
I haven't played since AD&D either but I'd like join in on this. Not sure about time either since this isn't like play by post. We'd actually need a time to all get together on the computer at the same time. Not sure about voice either. :( In any case, I'm still interested! Back in high school I didn't really play with a group of people that were REALLY into it and actually roleplayed the characters. So in that respect, I'm definitely a newbie in trying to flesh out characters....but I'm in!!! :)
Sounds like we are in the same boat....... I also Had the Dragonlance adventure manual
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dani3l3/2152532500/
and Played in the word of Krynn a lot.
Sounds like we are in the same boat....... I also Had the Dragonlance adventure manual
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dani3l3/2152532500/
and Played in the word of Krynn a lot.
I played in lots of different D&D worlds...but mostly Krynn and Ravenloft since my friend liked that world a lot. I tried DM'ing once and man it was hard. Never again though...don't have the creativity or talent for it.
coyotejack
06/09/2008, 14:05
Y'know, if this gets too big, we could always get 'creative' with it....
Maybe on our first adventure, we get mysteriously bonded together! So whereas there are 12 'souls' of characters, theres only 6 bodies for them to inhabit....so if someone's busy one day, it's fine, their persona just won't 'come up' :)
Or yeah, we could do multiple groups. And then we can have group fights :)
Also a good idea. Kind of playing off the co-captain idea of the League.
evilevil
06/09/2008, 14:11
I played in lots of different D&D worlds...but mostly Krynn and Ravenloft since my friend liked that world a lot. I tried DM'ing once and man it was hard. Never again though...don't have the creativity or talent for it.
Man I love DM'ing but being 2 rule changes behind I could not do it and add in Cyber playing and whhoooo I need to get my feet wet first.
the Idea of co-captaining sound interesting but how bad would it suck to wake up one morning to find out your co-Captain got your guy eaten by a Kobold.
CaptainNifty
06/09/2008, 14:21
Another option would be to place everyone in a military unit (some could be volunteers, others could be conscripts, or just in it for the training and resources). The DM can take whoever can play at a given time and form a unit to go on the adventure. This allows some fluidity in the ranks of the party as well as keeping the cohesion.
Just a thought.
The more I look over 4E, I could probably DM a decent adventure provided people were ok with a fairly generic campaign until I get my feet completely under me.
My current opinion is that 4E looks like fun, and is probably a great game. I just don't think it's a step forward for D&D. I thought the conversion from 2 to 3--while drastic--stream-lined an overly complicated rules system and expanded customization and players options. 3 to 4 is equally as drastic and stream-lines the rules. Sometimes for the better, sometimes not. However, it doesn't expand customization and players options but limits them.
It's simple (simpler than 3rd) and easy to pick up, but I don't think it's an improvement over all from 3rd.
I think 2 groups with two different DMs but in the same world could be cool. Give the groups different goals and then every once in a while we could meet up and have to face each other.
If we need a 2nd DM, I recommend JoH. I don't even know if he plays D and D, but his modding skills in mafia are similar to a DM. Ditto to Melkhor or Turtle (though I doubt turtle could DM while running the HCFL).
I think I'd prefer to play 4th Ed online since it seems like it would be more conducive to online play.
The default party size in 4e is 5 players, I believe.
da-Craig-O
06/09/2008, 14:23
That seems like a very accurate description there...Bavmorda. ;)
Of course, I don't know much more about 3.5 than I do about 4 anyway.
darius_dax1
06/09/2008, 14:25
So long as it isn't 4th Edition I would be interested.
I had tried to do this via forum posting (like play by post) and Thawmus had more of a "live action" site that he could manipulate as a DM that used 3rd Edition as the rule set. It seemed a little buggy but it worked overall. There was also a place on the screen for a "chat session" between all the Players...as well as a Player to DM private screen.
vicious x
06/09/2008, 14:32
You know, I might not have time to actually do this, but since you're already maxed, I'd love to do special guest appearances when I can. Please note, I've never actually played D&D before and would most likely need a ton of hand holding if I actually do play.
haha I'm on the same boat,... would love to give this a try, but since I never played I rather not hold screw things up for people.
I'm just gonna need help with any rules set since I've been out of the loop for awhile.
JackAssterson
06/09/2008, 14:50
So long as it isn't 4th Edition I would be interested.
I had tried to do this via forum posting (like play by post) and Thawmus had more of a "live action" site that he could manipulate as a DM that used 3rd Edition as the rule set. It seemed a little buggy but it worked overall. There was also a place on the screen for a "chat session" between all the Players...as well as a Player to DM private screen.
/munches some Nackle's Nam Noodles
(still the best dang noodles in town)
:grin:
I guess my main question is:
How exactly would this work? Both mechanics wise (how does an online table work, anyhoo) and with the already large number of folks y'got already.
TheVagrantKing
06/09/2008, 14:58
Rules I can take care of.
I'd be happy to DM if we did the 2 groups thing, and used 3.5. I know that system front to back, and am going to be modding it to work with 4E for a while.
I think i could cook up some fun time for the lot of you :)
TheVagrantKing
06/09/2008, 14:59
/munches some Nackle's Nam Noodles
(still the best dang noodles in town)
:grin:
I guess my main question is:
How exactly would this work? Both mechanics wise (how does an online table work, anyhoo) and with the already large number of folks y'got already.
Multiple groups, or a wierd system
Online table, i have no idea. Prolly something like HCOnline.
Stepper79
06/09/2008, 15:23
WOW lots of interest.....I found these sites on the D&D message baords
well on the D&D boards there is a what to use until... thread they posted the following
http://www.vassalengine.org/community/index.php?option=com_welcome&task=display&displayAll=1
http://www.kloogeinc.com/index.html
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gametable
this is a list of others
http://www.battlegroundsgames.com/links.html#anchor6
comparison chart
http://www.iconvention.org/vts-compare-ieversion.html
and one more
http://www.rptoolstutorials.net/
CaptainNifty
06/09/2008, 15:28
The online table is an interactive window where the DM (who usually acts as the host) can upload images for all those connected to view. There is a dice roller that allows everyone to see what's rolled (usually DMs can hide their own rolls). Virtual miniatures are moved across the grid and updated by the DM.
CaptainNifty
06/09/2008, 15:30
I downloaded the one from sourceforge last night. It seems to have a very user friendly interface.
Klooge is nice, but I think it actually costs.
The best one I have found is Fantasy Grounds, but it is expensive.
Stepper79
06/09/2008, 15:30
here is the info from Wotc as to what they have planned.....
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/insider
it is already late though
I downloaded the one from sourceforge last night. It seems to have a very user friendly interface.
Klooge is nice, but I think it actually costs.
The best one I have found is Fantasy Grounds, but it is expensive.
Is it a one time fee, or is it like a monthly rate? If it's one time we might be able to each kick in some dough.
Jawapimp
06/09/2008, 15:38
I'd be down. It seems all of my real-life groups vaporize rather quickly. So if ya'll still have enough space, count me in.
CaptainNifty
06/09/2008, 16:02
Klooge has either a subscription or you have to purchase licenses.
Fantasy Grounds is a one time fee to purchase the license. Each person has to have a license. A players lisence is I think 20 or so and a DM's is 35 or so.
Klooge has either a subscription or you have to purchase licenses.
Fantasy Grounds is a one time fee to purchase the license. Each person has to have a license. A players lisence is I think 20 or so and a DM's is 35 or so.
If we were going to play consistently, I could probably be persuaded to kick in for a license, if Fantasy Grounds is the best site. I'd also kick in an extra 2 or 3 bucks for the DM so he doesn't have to pay more than the PCs.
hot_fusion
06/09/2008, 16:07
I'd be interested in playing 3.5, but I'm not sure that I want to have to pay to play.
GreatArelius1
06/09/2008, 16:28
www.openrpg.com and www.rpgtools are free. Then for voice chat; use ventrillo or skype. I have been playin RPGs online for over 10 years via various programs.
CaptainNifty
06/09/2008, 16:30
Well the one from sourceforge is free.
CaptainNifty
06/09/2008, 16:37
www.openrpg.com and www.rpgtools are free. Then for voice chat; use ventrillo or skype. I have been playin RPGs online for over 10 years via various programs.
Which one do you like better?
GreatArelius1
06/09/2008, 16:39
I will join the list. But I think we can just use this for general RPG recruiting since there is alot interested. Just an idea.
GreatArelius1
06/09/2008, 16:42
I use Openrpg pretty often but I hardly use any voice chat programs. Right now I play weekly 2 AD&D games and Mutants & masterminds. 2 or 3 hours sessions. I've also used IRC chat program. There are plenty of options.
TheVagrantKing
06/10/2008, 09:33
Well, allright. That helps me out a lot.
Got copies of the Monster Manual, DMG, and PHB of 4E. It's.....complicated as hell. Not like, a lot of numbers bouncing around kinda stuff, but a whole lot of stuff you need to remember.
'+1 to attack if you are the closest to your opponent'
'+1 to attack if your opponent is 'bloodied' (new 4E term)'
Making a character now, using 4E rules. Things i've noticed that are missing so far:
- 60% of all the skills. There's only 17 skills to choose from now.
- Gnomes and Half-Orcs from the base races. (There are now Dragonborn, Eladrin (fey) and Tiefling base classes.
- Monks, Sorceress, Bards, Barbarian and Druids are no longer base classes. (They have added Warlock, Warlord)
That's just kinda the first few things I've noticed. Making this character ( a Tiefling Warlock) makes my head hurt. So far, I haven't seen anything that i'd WANT to implement into 3.5.
Well, allright. That helps me out a lot.
Got copies of the Monster Manual, DMG, and PHB of 4E. It's.....complicated as hell. Not like, a lot of numbers bouncing around kinda stuff, but a whole lot of stuff you need to remember.
'+1 to attack if you are the closest to your opponent'
'+1 to attack if your opponent is 'bloodied' (new 4E term)'
Making a character now, using 4E rules. Things i've noticed that are missing so far:
- 60% of all the skills. There's only 17 skills to choose from now.
- Gnomes and Half-Orcs from the base races. (There are now Dragonborn, Eladrin (fey) and Tiefling base classes.
- Monks, Sorceress, Bards, Barbarian and Druids are no longer base classes. (They have added Warlock, Warlord)
That's just kinda the first few things I've noticed. Making this character ( a Tiefling Warlock) makes my head hurt. So far, I haven't seen anything that i'd WANT to implement into 3.5.
Yeah, but those features you just mentioned are for a tiefling warlock only (prime shot and the +1 vs bloodied opponent), not really hard and fast rules to remember. Besides, your DM should tell you when your opponent is bloodied (it means at 1/2 hitpoints).
IMO there are far more things you have to keep track of in 3.5--ok, so I have shield, mage armor, haste, dex bonus, but I have a curse on me, but it's a day of the week that ends in a "y", etc etc.
Something that helps a lot with 4e--power cards. I suppose you could buy them when they get released, or you could download people's homebrew versions, but I just made my own on index cards. At will powers right in front of me with the description and numbers (to hit, damage)--those never go away. Encounter powers--once per encounter. When you use it, turn it upside down. After the encounter (really a "short 5-min rest"), turn used encounter powers back right side up because they're available to you again. Daily powers--flip it over when it's used. You can't use it again until tomorrow.
TheVagrantKing
06/10/2008, 12:46
Yeah, but those features you just mentioned are for a tiefling warlock only (prime shot and the +1 vs bloodied opponent), not really hard and fast rules to remember. Besides, your DM should tell you when your opponent is bloodied (it means at 1/2 hitpoints).
IMO there are far more things you have to keep track of in 3.5--ok, so I have shield, mage armor, haste, dex bonus, but I have a curse on me, but it's a day of the week that ends in a "y", etc etc.
Something that helps a lot with 4e--power cards. I suppose you could buy them when they get released, or you could download people's homebrew versions, but I just made my own on index cards. At will powers right in front of me with the description and numbers (to hit, damage)--those never go away. Encounter powers--once per encounter. When you use it, turn it upside down. After the encounter (really a "short 5-min rest"), turn used encounter powers back right side up because they're available to you again. Daily powers--flip it over when it's used. You can't use it again until tomorrow.
Yeah, that's kinda what i was talking about with the mathyness of 3.5.
It's all just numbers. I've got a Shield (2) + drank a potion of Mage Armor (4) + my own Natural Armor Bonus (3) + and CaptainNifty gave me a Ring of 'nyah nyah, you can't hit me' (6) = 15. Oh shoot, i just got myself cursed by Mbauers (-4) = 11.
That seems simpler to me, than trying to figure out what the heck a constitution vs fortitude attack is.
What you just described there sounds like Solitaire :).
In comparison: I ALWAYS forget to use my ranger's favored enemy ability. Having a whole system based around 'if this happens, you may use this' abilities just really turns me off.
I think it's prolly just a brain thing. Like people who are math heads vs. people who are book heads. I think it's just a preference of complexity :)
Yeah, that's kinda what i was talking about with the mathyness of 3.5.
It's all just numbers. I've got a Shield (2) + drank a potion of Mage Armor (4) + my own Natural Armor Bonus (3) + and CaptainNifty gave me a Ring of 'nyah nyah, you can't hit me' (6) = 15. Oh shoot, i just got myself cursed by Mbauers (-4) = 11.
That seems simpler to me, than trying to figure out what the heck a constitution vs fortitude attack is.
What you just described there sounds like Solitaire :).
In comparison: I ALWAYS forget to use my ranger's favored enemy ability. Having a whole system based around 'if this happens, you may use this' abilities just really turns me off.
I think it's prolly just a brain thing. Like people who are math heads vs. people who are book heads. I think it's just a preference of complexity :)
I don't mind math at all, it's just like you said there are so many things to remember in 3.5 that it can become a hassle sometimes.
In 4e, fortitude, reflex, and will are all static defenses, like Armor Class. Some attacks target AC, some target fortitude defense, etc. I actually like this change.
CaptainNifty
06/10/2008, 13:53
The power cards are a great way to keep 4E stuff organized. I haven't thought about that yet, but I do that kind of thing with my 3.5 Warblade.
TheVagrantKing
06/10/2008, 14:11
The power cards are a great way to keep 4E stuff organized. I haven't thought about that yet, but I do that kind of thing with my 3.5 Warblade.
Yeah, I've done that with a Monk/Druid I had. I'm not opposed to the idea of it, but it seems a little unnecessary.
I'm still working on wrapping my head around it all.
3.5 is definitely more complicated.
I still can't help but feel that: 3.5 is to Heroclix as 4E is to Heroclix: Alpha.
da-Craig-O
06/10/2008, 17:29
I really like the change in skills. Having 'only 12' makes much more sense to me, because having skill points in Dungeoneering controls many things together. It controls (I don't have a book with me) what you bonus is for rolls against traps (I think), reading dungeon markings, determining certain monster types. You don't need to have 40 different skills that you need ranks in and I think it makes way more sense.
Athletics covers skill rolls for climbing, jumping, swimming, etc.
I also really like the free action monster checks.
CaptainNifty
06/10/2008, 17:35
I like the combination of skills, I'm not sold on the skill mechanic of trained or untrained.
da-Craig-O
06/10/2008, 17:37
I like the combination of skills, I'm not sold on the skill mechanic of trained or untrained.
You mean having the +5 if you train and only training once?
Or is it something else?
CaptainNifty
06/10/2008, 17:51
Yeah, I don't like not having degrees of knowledge. This whole you either know it (+5, + 1/2 lvl, + Abil mod) or you don't (no +5) takes away a lot of flavor from the game. It's just limiting, and another example of pidgeon-holing.
Maybe I'll feel differently after playing, but I feel that paticular mechanic is overlysimplified.
da-Craig-O
06/10/2008, 17:54
Yeah, I don't like not having degrees of knowledge. This whole you either know it (+5, + 1/2 lvl, + Abil mod) or you don't (no +5) takes away a lot of flavor from the game. It's just limiting, and another example of pidgeon-holing.
Maybe I'll feel differently after playing, but I feel that paticular mechanic is overlysimplified.
I could see that. However, the Wizard I rolled up is trained in Arcana, History and Religion. Not a whole lot of knowledge outside of that realm. Plus, it makes diversity in the party a good thing. When has that not been the case though?
Yeah, I don't like not having degrees of knowledge. This whole you either know it (+5, + 1/2 lvl, + Abil mod) or you don't (no +5) takes away a lot of flavor from the game. It's just limiting, and another example of pidgeon-holing.
Maybe I'll feel differently after playing, but I feel that paticular mechanic is overlysimplified.
I don't necessarily mind the simplification of skills in terms of the trained/untrained thing. I do think that getting rid of craft skills was a bad move. How are potions getting here if no one can brew them?
Our DM is thinking of house ruling something with craft skills, like each character gets 2 craft skills that have to be related to one of their trained skills, or something.
Stepper79
06/10/2008, 18:54
Ok Sorry I disapeared (trying to find a teaching job had many job fairs to attend). I am going to update the front page with the list of persons interested in playing. If the folks willing to DM would PM me I'll put that up there too.
I agree With GA1 that this thread should be used as a recruitment thread and I can put the list of active campaigns (Once we have them) on the 2nd post so we can try and keep this organized
da-Craig-O
06/10/2008, 19:03
I don't necessarily mind the simplification of skills in terms of the trained/untrained thing. I do think that getting rid of craft skills was a bad move. How are potions getting here if no one can brew them?
Our DM is thinking of house ruling something with craft skills, like each character gets 2 craft skills that have to be related to one of their trained skills, or something.
Are craft skills gone, or do they just fall under other catagories?
TheVagrantKing
06/10/2008, 19:48
Are craft skills gone, or do they just fall under other catagories?
It's under something called a 'Ritual', which is a new mechanic. You can preform the ritual 'Brew Potion'. Just browsing through it, i think it's just a plot device given by the DM.
pbdeberry
06/10/2008, 19:49
me! I don't have the books yet... but I want to be part of the group.
I can also volunteer my message board as a home, if we find this board a bit clustered and difficult to maintain the game information.
da-Craig-O
06/10/2008, 19:59
It's under something called a 'Ritual', which is a new mechanic. You can preform the ritual 'Brew Potion'. Just browsing through it, i think it's just a plot device given by the DM.
Ah yes...in the back of the book. That would be why, as a Wizard I could take a feat that gave a second 'ritual' for my spellbook. I hadn't really looked at the rituals to see that you could craft with them. At first level, I took some sort of floating disc.
Stepper79
06/10/2008, 21:58
I updated the front page with the list of everyone who expressed interest and to try and organize it better
Ah yes...in the back of the book. That would be why, as a Wizard I could take a feat that gave a second 'ritual' for my spellbook. I hadn't really looked at the rituals to see that you could craft with them. At first level, I took some sort of floating disc.
Well, I was more referring to alchemy skill, blacksmithing skill, that sort of thing, but a brew potion ritual would be more like replacing the item creation feats of 3-3.5 E.
I do like the idea of rituals, and I'm interested in testing them out.
DCO--you know that a 1st level wizard starts out with 3 1st level rituals, right?
Re: Tenser's floating disc--in High School during our 2e campaign, we found this room in a castle/dungeon/ what have you that had a treasure chest in it. It had a very high ceiling that had spikes on it, and there was some sort of anti-gravity trap in the room. Our bard, who had never really played before, looked at the description of Tenser's floating disc and was like, "Ok, so, Tenser's floating disc summons a disc that can only move horizontally (parallel to the ground) but can't move up and down, right?"
So he cast it and crouched under the disc. He then made the disc move towards the treasure chest and just stayed under the disc the whole time. Since it couldn't move vertically, it was unaffected by the reverse gravity and he just hit the disc instead of getting impaled. :p
I definately won't have time to join the main group, but I would love to pop in as a guest star every once in a while. Especially an eeeeeeevil one. Some of the monsters have pretty nasty racial abilities. Minor action shift for Kobolds? Nasty. Those bastards are slippery as hell. :p
da-Craig-O
06/11/2008, 13:53
DCO--you know that a 1st level wizard starts out with 3 1st level rituals, right?
Hmmm...page 158...under 'Spellbook'...well I'll be. That's what I get for not reading cover to cover. :)
Perhaps Animal Messenger and Gentle Repose.
TheVagrantKing
06/11/2008, 14:15
:Beginning to figure everything out:
Still seems iffy to me. Everythings so 'leveling tree' oriented. I'm feeling super restrained when making my character.
I miss the irrelevance of Bards, and the awesomeness of Monks...:(
pbdeberry
06/11/2008, 15:26
me too....
CaptainNifty
06/11/2008, 15:29
Yeah, 4E is very combat oriented and really loses alot of the noncombat related options.
I wouldn't be against a 3.5 campaign, myself. I'd be interested in either playing or DMing.
And, of course, finding something a tad more stable than OpenRPG. That thing crashed too many times for my campaign to really ever get off the ground.
I'd also be willing to sponser a ventrilo server for 15 people. I'll have to look into a host, but I had one going for about 7 months that was pretty good.
One other suggestion I'd make is to not request a player group for this.
We had a lot of technical difficulty with mine. Some people could see it, some people couldn't, and we lost all ability to recruit new players.
Rokk_Krinn
06/11/2008, 19:57
I'd be interested in giving this another try.
Doesn't the back of the book(s) advertise some way to run D&D programs online? (I haven't scanned the whole thread yet so this is likely brought up; just was asking because of the OpenRPG mentioned by Thawmus).
Stepper79
06/11/2008, 22:52
I'd be interested in giving this another try.
Doesn't the back of the book(s) advertise some way to run D&D programs online? (I haven't scanned the whole thread yet so this is likely brought up; just was asking because of the OpenRPG mentioned by Thawmus).
well the problem there is that they didn't get the programs completed in time so they are going to be rolling out the "Game Table" over the next few months
darius_dax1
06/12/2008, 00:03
well the problem there is that they didn't get the programs completed in time so they are going to be rolling out the "Game Table" over the next few months
The other "problem" is that some players refuse to use 4E. I refuse to buy into this system. I have spent enough $$ on this game and all it's varied incarnations over the 26 years I have been playing it. Plus I don't want a pen and paper MMORPG.
The other "problem" is that some players refuse to use 4E. I refuse to buy into this system. I have spent enough $$ on this game and all it's varied incarnations over the 26 years I have been playing it. Plus I don't want a pen and paper MMORPG.
That shouldn't be a huge problem. It seems like there is enough interest here to have a 4e group (or groups) and a 3.5 e group (or groups).
darius_dax1
06/12/2008, 00:09
That shouldn't be a huge problem. It seems like there is enough interest here to have a 4e group (or groups) and a 3.5 e group (or groups).
That's why I put "" around it. :)
Jackofhearts2005
06/12/2008, 07:15
If we need a 2nd DM, I recommend JoH.
Well that's right nice of ya to say, but I don't think I'd be up to the task. Closest thing I've done to Dungeon's and Dragons is Planescape Torment (more like a book than a game but very interesting nonetheless).
That being said, I might be interested in playing a game as long as I don't need to have any books or anything of my own.
By the way, has anybody ever played Rifts? I bought the main book and a couple of world books awhile back but never played. Very neat world, but I wouldn't know where to begin finding somebody to play with.
Jackofhearts2005
06/12/2008, 07:20
Also, http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=612
I played Rifts a few times with the same D&D friends back in high school. It is pretty interesting...I believe they use the same Rift system for George R R Martin's Wildcard books as well.
CurBludgeon
06/12/2008, 15:30
Also, http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=612
Hilarious stuff there. Wish I could rep you for it. My favorite so far is this one:
http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=780
The screen caps of Legolas's face are priceless.
Stepper79
06/12/2008, 15:52
I am slowly reading thru the players handbook 4th ed, All my other books are from the AD&D days way back. DM's can start recruiting as soon they speak up and let us know what they want to run and on what site.
coyotejack
06/13/2008, 13:41
I played Rifts a few times with the same D&D friends back in high school. It is pretty interesting...I believe they use the same Rift system for George R R Martin's Wildcard books as well.
Wow...I remember Rifts from back when I was a manager at Game Keeper. Talk about stats and percentages for everything! I swear you had stat for wiping your own derriere in that game...and you could potentially miss! :laugh:
Jackofhearts2005
06/14/2008, 19:52
Wow...I remember Rifts from back when I was a manager at Game Keeper. Talk about stats and percentages for everything! I swear you had stat for wiping your own derriere in that game...and you could potentially miss! :laugh:
Probably. I remember thinking it was funny that my english skill was 98%.
Dang rolled a 99. Guess I'm tongue tied. :cheeky:
Really, I thought the system was positively overwhelming (though I don't know how much easier D&D honestly is). But man, the world was cool. SAMAS (http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/heinlein/461/Samas2.jpg)and Cyber Knights and Mind Melters oh my!
I am slowly reading thru the players handbook 4th ed, All my other books are from the AD&D days way back. DM's can start recruiting as soon they speak up and let us know what they want to run and on what site.
Has anyone stepped forward to be a DM for a 4th edition campaign? If so, holler at me.
GreatArelius1
06/14/2008, 23:35
Im interested in anything but 4ed but Im tinkering with ideas of running either the new Robotech RPG or Starship Trooper RPG
Im interested in anything but 4ed but Im tinkering with ideas of running either the new Robotech RPG or Starship Trooper RPG
Oooooh Robotech RPG? That sounds cool....:)
GreatArelius1
06/15/2008, 03:46
I will keep you in mind Tanis if I start Robotech. I will use Openrpg probably.
I will keep you in mind Tanis if I start Robotech. I will use Openrpg probably.
I'll be a HUGE rookie since I've never played the Robotech RPG and haven't used any online rpg interface AND it's been AGES since I've RPG'ed. But yeah definitely keep me in mind! :)
coyotejack
06/15/2008, 19:00
I'll be a HUGE rookie since I've never played the Robotech RPG and haven't used any online rpg interface AND it's been AGES since I've RPG'ed. But yeah definitely keep me in mind! :)
Add me to that list as well. I didn't even know there was a new Robo RPG, wow!
coyotejack
06/15/2008, 19:01
Probably. I remember thinking it was funny that my english skill was 98%.
Dang rolled a 99. Guess I'm tongue tied. :cheeky:
Really, I thought the system was positively overwhelming (though I don't know how much easier D&D honestly is). But man, the world was cool. SAMAS (http://www.fortunecity.com/tattooine/heinlein/461/Samas2.jpg)and Cyber Knights and Mind Melters oh my!
Agreed! Very cool stuff, very imaginative. Rifts had everything going on from fantasy to sci-fi to Old West to Military to You-name-it.
I liked that most were illustrated by the same artists as well (I seem to remember one main artist).
Jackofhearts2005
06/16/2008, 04:35
I wanna say Siembieda wrote and illustrated most of it, but I could be wrong. One more former toy of mine that's collecting dust in my parents' basement. :cheeky:
If anybody starts a Robotech campaign though, I'd be very interested. Made by the same company as Rifts, though. I don't know if that's a good or a bad thing.
Stepper79
06/16/2008, 22:25
so has anyone made a 4th ed character yet I find it kinda hard to follow and find where it all is- maybe they really need to get the online character builder going....
so has anyone made a 4th ed character yet I find it kinda hard to follow and find where it all is- maybe they really need to get the online character builder going....
I've made a few. It's not too hard, but I could see how it could be confusing if you haven't played any versions of D&D before. PM me with any questions your having, or if you're completely lost PM that to me and I'll answer your questions/walk you through it.
Jackofhearts2005
06/20/2008, 12:54
Did this idea die out? :noid:
Did this idea die out? :noid:
I was kinda wondering, too. :(
Stepper79
06/20/2008, 13:41
Did this idea die out? :noid:
no I have been reading the DM guide since no one else volunteered to DM , trying to get something for 4th ed 1st lvl ready, but I have a test this weekend so it has not been priority #1
Well, maybe I should consider running my 3.5 campaign again, then.
But I'd like to use something stable. OpenRPG is not.
CurBludgeon
06/20/2008, 14:18
Yeah, I think the desire to see this moving is definitely there; the biggest hurdle though seems to be selecting a technical platform. It's the same problem facing my old D&D group.
CaptainNifty
06/20/2008, 14:43
I downloaded the table from sourceforge. I haven't connected with anyone but it's a little more stream-lined than open rpg. I could definitely DM a 3.5 campaign. I'm just trying to juggle some D&D stuff here at home. But I can do 3.5. 4E not so much.
I downloaded the table from sourceforge. I haven't connected with anyone but it's a little more stream-lined than open rpg. I could definitely DM a 3.5 campaign. I'm just trying to juggle some D&D stuff here at home. But I can do 3.5. 4E not so much.
There's a LOT of stuff on sourceforge. Mind being more specific? ;)
I'd like to try this at home and see what it's like.
CaptainNifty
06/20/2008, 18:59
This is the link I got from Stepper from the front page.
http://sourceforge.net/projects/gametable
Stepper79
06/23/2008, 14:36
Ok I think I am ready to run a SMALL campaign in 4th Ed setting, 4-5 players level 1 please pm me and we can pick a service to use ...
Stepper79
06/23/2008, 23:48
I have two interested in a 1st 4th adventure need more
pbdeberry
06/24/2008, 14:11
I'm interested... send PM...
anonym0use
06/24/2008, 14:17
I might be interested. What are the requirements? Do I need to download anything, or is it held on a proboard, or what?
pbdeberry
06/24/2008, 14:20
I forgot to add that I have a message board that I'm happy to share and will save someone the aggravation of using proboards.
http://www.pbrainprojects.com/fourm
just send me a pm and I'll create the area for you.
da-Craig-O
06/24/2008, 19:41
Trying to decide how to finalize my character for the 4th edition campaign. I was thinking Warlord...or Warlock...or anything.
What are the others thinking of doing? What's a good option for having rolle 8,9,9,14,14,18? I'm pretty open to whatever.
Trying to decide how to finalize my character for the 4th edition campaign. I was thinking Warlord...or Warlock...or anything.
What are the others thinking of doing? What's a good option for having rolle 8,9,9,14,14,18? I'm pretty open to whatever.
So I'm like a complete newbie pretty much since I haven't played since AD&D. And I don't have a handbook...um is it still possible to make a character?
da-Craig-O
06/24/2008, 19:50
So I'm like a complete newbie pretty much since I haven't played since AD&D. And I don't have a handbook...um is it still possible to make a character?
Shoot a PM to Stepp to see if he has room. I know he only had 2 people as of this morning...I think.
Shoot a PM to Stepp to see if he has room. I know he only had 2 people as of this morning...I think.
Yeah, I was the other one. ;)
da-Craig-O
06/24/2008, 20:13
Yeah, I was the other one. ;)
Oh, I see..."Is it still possible to make a character without the 4th handbook?"
No. :laugh:
Maybe. I'm sure someone, somewhere has it all online at this point.
Oh, I see..."Is it still possible to make a character without the 4th handbook?"
No. :laugh:
Maybe. I'm sure someone, somewhere has it all online at this point.
Yeah I was gonna see if I can find a bit torrent of it somewhere online. If I can find one, I'm thinking a paladin or ranger. Always liked those classes. :)
Stepper79
06/24/2008, 23:38
actual this should allow you to make a character without the handboook
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/insider/compendium
actual this should allow you to make a character without the handboook
http://www.wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/insider/compendium
it says "coming soon" :(
Stepper79
06/25/2008, 00:05
it says "coming soon" :(
not on my screen it says click here to launch ....
not on my screen it says click here to launch ....
The compendium, yes. But that's not the character builder. It's a search engine.
Stepper79
06/25/2008, 00:08
The compendium, yes. But that's not the character builder. It's a search engine.
true but you can look up the classes and races and what not its a start......
true but you can look up the classes and races and what not its a start......
Ah, sure enough. If you put Class or Race in the search engine, you get a listing.
I didn't know what to search for.... :noid:
malakim2099
06/25/2008, 00:23
Ah, sure enough. If you put Class or Race in the search engine, you get a listing.
I didn't know what to search for.... :noid:
Guess it depends on what you want to make. The character creation is really slick. I like it muchly.
I might be running a game myself, once I read through the books and can figure out what I can throw at 1st level characters aside from kobolds. :p
JackAssterson
06/25/2008, 00:36
once I read through the books and can figure out what I can throw at 1st level characters aside from kobolds. :p
They can be bad enough.
Trust me.
They can be bad enough.
Trust me.
:devious: Muahahahahaaaa..........
I just PMed Stepper saying I'm interested if there's still room.
@ DCO--as far as character creation goes, I think the best way to do it is the 22 point allotment method. A lot fairer and more balanced, IMO.
da-Craig-O
06/25/2008, 01:52
I just PMed Stepper saying I'm interested if there's still room.
@ DCO--as far as character creation goes, I think the best way to do it is the 22 point allotment method. A lot fairer and more balanced, IMO.
Nah. I really prefer the straight roll of 6. If the first attempt is horribly low I just start over. I'll take the 8 and 9's because I get two 14's and an 18. :)
CaptainNifty
06/25/2008, 02:46
Well you should see how your DM wants you to generate stats.
As for the others. I might be able to get you a pdf copy of a PhB if you shoot me a PM. I couldn't get the DMG and MM, but the PhB is a start.
da-Craig-O
06/25/2008, 03:23
Well you should see how your DM wants you to generate stats.
This is true. Stepp, let me know if you prefer a specific method.
Hey guys. Stepper said he's planning on running Keep on the shadowfell, which I'm already playing with my local group, so I told him I'll probably have to bow out. I said that if he needs a final person I suppose I could make a character that's either really quiet/shy or really dumb to help me not act on prior knowledge :p
da-Craig-O
06/25/2008, 15:28
Hey guys. Stepper said he's planning on running Keep on the shadowfell, which I'm already playing with my local group, so I told him I'll probably have to bow out. I said that if he needs a final person I suppose I could make a character that's either really quiet/shy or really dumb to help me not act on prior knowledge :p
Hrm...I also am playing Keep on the Shadowfell with a weekly group (one week in). I have no problems roleplaying a complete lack of knowledge, but only if Stepp would be comfortable with that.
anonym0use
06/25/2008, 15:30
*huffs*
Well, I've never played Keep on shadowfell so there! :p
Stepper79
06/25/2008, 17:24
Hey guys. Stepper said he's planning on running Keep on the shadowfell, which I'm already playing with my local group, so I told him I'll probably have to bow out. I said that if he needs a final person I suppose I could make a character that's either really quiet/shy or really dumb to help me not act on prior knowledge :p
Well thanks for telling everybody....The adventure that I want to run does not start as Keep on the Shadowfell.....
Well thanks for telling everybody....The adventure that I want to run does not start as Keep on the Shadowfell.....
Doh! Well I don't know what the Keep of the Shadowfell is so it's all good with me! :)
I'll have to download the 4th edition PHB, but I'm willing to give it a shot, Stepp, if you need a replacement.
evilevil
06/25/2008, 20:02
Whoa been a while since I checked this thread. I am gonna bow out of it so you can take my name down from the front page.
I don't think I can capture the fun I had playing DnD in my youth. Those are some great memory's of Log cabins, Camp fires and D20's. I think if I am gonna get back into it I need to find a local group. I hope everyone has fun
May I ask what character everyone else is running?
It'd help me read a whole lot less. This edition is pretty overwhelming.
I do like, however, that this is pretty much the ToB, but making a whole edition this way.
pbdeberry
06/25/2008, 21:38
I am slowly making a Ranger named Jagger...
I am slowly making a Ranger named Jagger...
Cool!
I'm currently leaning toward Warlord or Cleric. But I need to know if the other players are using those classes or not. Or, if those types of characters are already in the party.
I like filling holes and balancing parties. I'm too indecisive otherwise. :)
da-Craig-O
06/25/2008, 22:16
I sent Stepp a Tiefling Warlock.
Any idea what Tanis is running?
da-Craig-O
06/25/2008, 22:32
Any idea what Tanis is running?
Nope, sorry.
Just go for Warlord or Cleric and we'll do just fine. My limited 4th Ed. experience has me thinking that you could have 4 or 5 of whatever and do ok.
I'm running a Paladin. Probably Half-elf. :) His name's gonna be Airk. One of the names I had for one of my many characters on the Artic MUD for Dragonlance. He too was a Paladin. :)
Stepper79
06/25/2008, 23:13
I am thinking of running this on the RPTools engine has anyone used it?? how do we all connect??
JackAssterson
06/25/2008, 23:15
A TARRASQUE approaches!
:eek:
You're all level 1.
What DO you do.
:devious:
A TARRASQUE approaches!
:eek:
You're all level 1.
What DO you do.
:devious:
Get out new character sheets to write on, and make someone else the DM. ;)
Okay, probably going to go with the Warlord, then.
I'm leaning toward Human or Dragonborn.
Stepper79
06/25/2008, 23:37
Thawmus your the Computer expert around here (at least to me) can you look at the Rptool.net site and figure out how we all connect
CaptainNifty
06/25/2008, 23:40
A TARRASQUE approaches!
:eek:
You're all level 1.
What DO you do.
:devious:
We had a house rule back in 2E AD&D that allowed characters to make a god call to call upon their faith in their deity to help them in a hopeless situation.
There were consequences for making one and for attempting them too often, and there was only a very minute chance (even for the most devout clerics), but I'd make a god-call
I am thinking of running this on the RPTools engine has anyone used it?? how do we all connect??
It's a server-client based app. You have to go to File, then "Start Server"
Then you need to pick a port that you already have open on your firewall, and then test the connection.
You might need to supply credentials as well, but I don't think so.
Basically, once you have all that figured out, you'd need one of us to try and connect to your server, while you had it running.
Basically, since you're the GM, you'd be wanting to run the server. Then you'd want us to connect to you, so that we could play.
I'd still recommend Ventrilo for us to communicate in-game. And I'd be more than happy to sponsor the server for us.
Stepper79
06/26/2008, 09:45
OK cool, I do not have a server I know that is says you can connect directly via PC's but it may be better for us to have a central point to connect to.
as for stats for your characters I would prefer any of the methods except the Rolling 5-6 and picking three, there are enough race/class bonuses that everyone can do ok. I Think
OK cool, I do not have a server I know that is says you can connect directly via PC's but it may be better for us to have a central point to connect to.
as for stats for your characters I would prefer any of the methods except the Rolling 5-6 and picking three, there are enough race/class bonuses that everyone can do ok. I Think
On the server:
Don't think of the server as y'know, a physical server. All it is is a part of the software that you need to run off to the side on your PC. Your PC essentially becomes the server.
Stepper79
06/26/2008, 09:56
On the server:
Don't think of the server as y'know, a physical server. All it is is a part of the software that you need to run off to the side on your PC. Your PC essentially becomes the server.
ok - I Guess.......why can't we do this on x-box live :laugh:
ok - I Guess.......why can't we do this on x-box live :laugh:
If you're free tonight, I'll get you remoted in on my machine so I can show you what I mean.
Yes or no on Ventrilo?
I highly recommend it.
Hey, the compendium doesn't have the point buy system in it.
Does someone happen to know the ratios, or at least the chart, off the top of their heads?
Yes, I'm building my character at work. What else do you expect me to do? :laugh:
Stepper79
06/26/2008, 10:58
Ventrilo is it voice chat?? tanis doesn't have voice and I am not sure about me. I should have time tonight but with two little ones that can change. I'll get the range for you in a few mins
Ventrilo is it voice chat?? tanis doesn't have voice and I am not sure about me. I should have time tonight but with two little ones that can change. I'll get the range for you in a few mins
Yeah, that's voice chat.
Most of these things have chat windows. I just know that it can be a pain in the ### to have to type what you're doing. And trust me, when you get down to typing out the backstory of your campaign in a chat window, it can be exhausting and frustrating at the same time. :ermm:
You can get a cheap mic at Wal-Mart for like 8 bucks, Tanis. Cmon buddy! :p
Yeah, that's voice chat.
Most of these things have chat windows. I just know that it can be a pain in the ### to have to type what you're doing. And trust me, when you get down to typing out the backstory of your campaign in a chat window, it can be exhausting and frustrating at the same time. :ermm:
You can get a cheap mic at Wal-Mart for like 8 bucks, Tanis. Cmon buddy! :p
Oh I guess I could buy one. Geez, can't I be like a paladin that speaks only through a book that reads his thoughts? hehehehe
I've never done any chat stuff, so we'll see how it goes. :O
And what are the different ways to roll for stats?
Stepper79
06/26/2008, 13:40
Method 1: Standard array. Assign these six scores any way you want 16,14,13,12,11,10 then add racial modifiers and such
Method 2: use the following array as you see fit going across
14 13 13 13 13 13
14 14 13 13 13 11
14 14 14 12 12 11
14 14 14 14 12 8
15 14 13 12 12 11
15 15 13 12 11 10
16 15 12 11 11 10
16 14 14 12 11 8
16 16 12 10 10 10
16 16 12 11 11 8
17 15 12 11 10 8
17 14 12 11 10 10
18 13 13 10 10 8
18 14 11 10 10 8
18 12 12 10 10 10
JackAssterson
06/26/2008, 13:45
KOBOLD ATTACK! CROSSBOW! CROSSBOW!
p-ting
ARRRRGH! :eek:
/slump
Remember: when an NPC dies warning you of an impending attack, it's customary to mourn for at LEAST three seconds before looting his body.
Stepper79
06/26/2008, 13:47
KOBOLD ATTACK! CROSSBOW! CROSSBOW!
p-ting
ARRRRGH! :eek:
/slump
Remember: when an NPC dies warning you of an impending attack, it's customary to mourn for at LEAST three seconds before looting his body.
1,2,3...........LOOT
Man, I have to say, they really did their homework with 4th edition.
I still hold to my feelings toward the new edition, thanks to the countless books, money, and time that has been spent to learning the 3.5 edition as well as I have.
But at the same time, considering how much I absolutely love the ToB, the Powers system has got me pretty excited for this game. And I've been waiting for something like the Warlord Class for far too long. Not even the ToB has anything that can match it, really.
da-Craig-O
06/26/2008, 14:23
Stepp - Did 4th edition do away with the "Roll 4 D6 and drop the lowest number" method for determining stats? Or do you just not like that method?
I thought the Player's Handbook still has that method, but mentions that it tends to be lower numbers than the standard array, or the 22 point system.
JackAssterson
06/26/2008, 14:30
Stepp - Did 4th edition do away with the "Roll 4 D6 and drop the lowest number" method for determining stats?
/checks
It's still there.
Stepp - Did 4th edition do away with the "Roll 4 D6 and drop the lowest number" method for determining stats? Or do you just not like that method?
I thought the Player's Handbook still has that method, but mentions that it tends to be lower numbers than the standard array, or the 22 point system.
He just doesn't like that method.
I don't mind the point buy. It allows for a much more balanced stat array, really. Nobody wants to deal with someone that rolls 3 18's and gloats about it for the rest of the game. :ermm:
And, I just finished and shared with Stepp my completed character. Thawmus, Dragonborn Tactical Warlord.
Can't wait to give people all sorts of bonuses to their attacks. :classic:
anonym0use
06/26/2008, 15:07
I've been seriously considering stepping out of my comfort zone and playing a Dragonborn Paladin. I really like the "defender-build" Paladin's abilities to "take one for the team" kind of a reverse mastermind.
Alas, I don't think I'll have the time or tools to play with y'all.
JackAssterson
06/26/2008, 15:12
Everybody wants ta be Dragonborn now.
Lizard lickers!
/draws sword
/realizes is a wizard
/casts Magic Missile
/realizes Magic Missile can actually miss now
/misses
/regrets missing
da-Craig-O
06/26/2008, 15:16
Everybody wants ta be Dragonborn now.
Lizard lickers!
/draws sword
/realizes is a wizard
/casts Magic Missile
/realizes Magic Missile can actually miss now
/misses
/regrets missing
Heh. You should have used Acid Arrow...better damage.
I think the Dragonborn are cool but I haven't made one yet. I think the Tieflings look fun.
JackAssterson
06/26/2008, 15:19
Heh. You should have used Acid Arrow...better damage.
Isn't that the One Per Day thing now? Or something?
If I use it on you guys I won't have it available for the final boss.
Everybody wants ta be Dragonborn now.
Lizard lickers!
/draws sword
/realizes is a wizard
/casts Magic Missile
/realizes Magic Missile can actually miss now
/misses
/regrets missing
Have to say, I like the hit or miss stuff with the magic wielders now, too. Because of where it helps them, and where it hurts them. For example, they don't get to automatically have stuff happen anymore. But at the same time, they don't constantly get bombarded with extremely high spell resistances and constant high rolls and nat 20's.
Heh. You should have used Acid Arrow...better damage.
I think the Dragonborn are cool but I haven't made one yet. I think the Tieflings look fun.
I was torn between them and Human.
But one of the biggest reasons I always use Humans is the extra feat. And since you get like a hundred feats by level 29, I just don't see the point. There's plenty of feats to take, and plenty of time to get them.
The +2 bonus wherever you want it is cool, but why do that, when you can just take a race that's tailored for the stat you're looking for, and get something on the side as well?
And the extra trained skill is good, but....really, why?
On the other hand, I get 16's for my STR, INT, and CHA for my warlord, amaking him balanced for any power I decide to learn, a breath weapon that has a nice high attack I can depend on for softening up foes in each encounter, and a nice height. :)
da-Craig-O
06/26/2008, 15:27
Isn't that the One Per Day thing now? Or something?
If I use it on you guys I won't have it available for the final boss.
This is true. However, having missed, at least Acid Arrow still does half damage.
Plus, we are the final boss. :)
da-Craig-O
06/26/2008, 15:28
On the other hand, I get 16's for my STR, INT, and CHA for my warlord, amaking him balanced for any power I decide to learn, a breath weapon that has a nice high attack I can depend on for softening up foes in each encounter, and a nice height. :)
Totally understood. The 'vomit' ability sure is great.
"Eat my stomach acid, cur!" *VORP!*
Hmm..looks like the half-elf and the tiefling are gonna be the minorities here....;) Geez, everyone wants a breath weapon. ;)
Man, I'm gonna have to do some serious reading...feats? skills? what? huh? Yeah serious reading....
Totally understood. The 'vomit' ability sure is great.
"Eat my stomach acid, cur!" *VORP!*
What? There's too many Dragonborn? Awwww...but I want acidic vomit! Why can't I have acidic vomit? Please????
da-Craig-O
06/26/2008, 15:33
What? There's too many Dragonborn? Awwww...but I want acidic vomit! Why can't I have acidic vomit? Please????
I don't mind if I'm running around with a dozen Dragonborn. Acid vomit rulez!!!
I don't mind if I'm running around with a dozen Dragonborn. Acid vomit rulez!!!
"I'm afraid there's 9 soldiers approaching, sir."
"How are they approaching?"
"In a 3x3 formation, sir."
"Gentlemen, start your stomachs......"
:laugh:
CurBludgeon
06/26/2008, 16:01
Totally understood. The 'vomit' ability sure is great.
"Eat my stomach acid, cur!" *VORP!*
What did I ever do to you??? :angry:
da-Craig-O
06/26/2008, 16:28
What did I ever do to you??? :angry:
Somehow...I was so hoping you would see that. ;)
CurBludgeon
06/26/2008, 16:46
Somehow...I was so hoping you would see that. ;)
I can tell you seeing it is acres better than tasting it. :confused:
Hmm..looks like the half-elf and the tiefling are gonna be the minorities here....;) Geez, everyone wants a breath weapon. ;)
Man, I'm gonna have to do some serious reading...feats? skills? what? huh? Yeah serious reading....
I haven't read through the feats, nor the skills. I just worked on getting my character sheet filled out.
If you use the Compendium, just look up your class name. You'll see a few feats pretty much tailor made for the class. That makes your 1st level easy to get done. ;)
Or, alternatively, look up the name of your race. Each of them has some nice feats as well.
Like enlarging your acid vomit radius. :laugh:
anonym0use
06/26/2008, 17:04
I haven't read through the feats, nor the skills. I just worked on getting my character sheet filled out.
If you use the Compendium, just look up your class name. You'll see a few feats pretty much tailor made for the class. That makes your 1st level easy to get done. ;)
Or, alternatively, look up the name of your race. Each of them has some nice feats as well.
Like enlarging your acid vomit radius. :laugh:
I'm more of a lightning vomit kinda guy.
JackAssterson
06/26/2008, 17:06
Now, now. You all make me wanna throw up in the widest possible radius.
:classic:
lizard lickers :p
I'm more of a lightning vomit kinda guy.
Oh, I'm more of a fire vomit kind of person, myself.
It's like a two-fer.
Hey, not saying that Stepp should or shouldn't allow them, but I suggest that people who have the Monster Manual, take a look at the player races at the back of the book.
If you're wondering what happened to the Gnome and Orc, there you go.
Nothing I've seen that's ridiculous or anything.
The Warforged looks pretty awesome, though. Don't have to sleep, drink, or eat. Ever.
Stepper79
06/26/2008, 19:59
I shouldn't allow who, dragonborn?? I have no problem with them just doesn't make sense to have a party of them ....
Woohoo! It's a party of dragonborn!! Let's all party!! WOOT!!!
*vomits acid*
YEAH!!!!
I shouldn't allow who, dragonborn?? I have no problem with them just doesn't make sense to have a party of them ....
No no no, no.
Back of the Monster Manual. There's a whole bunch more races for players to use.
Including the Gnome, Orc, and a whole bunch of other cool stuff.
They made them all without level adjustments, and they all have a Power as well.
They seem really well balanced, to me at least.
Here's a list of what's back there, with notes:
Some of the stuff I mention is a power, not an automatic ability. I didn't specify.
I will say that some of these ARE stuff that's probably not meant for a player character, and more for an NPC. So I'd definitely ask permission before using one. The Bugbear, Doppelganger, and Minotaur, for example, seem like stuff you wouldn't want your players using.
BugBear - Strength+Dexterity, can use oversized weapons
Doppelganger - Intelligence+Charisma, shapeshifts
Drow- Dexterity+Charisma, darkness powers
Githyanki- Con+Int, TK leap
Githzeri- Dex+Wis, Iron Mind
Gnoll - Con+Dex, gets 7 square movement, and increases damage with charges and being bloodied
Gnome - Int+Cha, turns invisible when he gets hit
Goblin - Dex+Cha, shifts when people miss him
Hobgoblin - Con+Cha, gets an extra saving throw as an immediate reaction
Kobold - Con+Dex, Gets to shift 1 square AT WILL
Minotaur - Str+Con, uses oversized weapons, goring charge
Orc - Str+Con, low-light vision, adds 2 to his speed while charging, gets to spend a healing surge while attacking
Shadar-Kai - Dex+Int, Shadow Jaunt
Shifter-Longtooth - Str+Wis, regenerates when bloodied
Shifter-Razorclaw - Dex+Wis, speed+AC+Reflex increases when bloodied
Warforged - Str+Con, lots of minor bonuses, gain temporary hit points once per encounter
Stepper79
06/27/2008, 00:59
ok Thawmus, Tanis and I have successfully gotten on the Rptools map tool if you want to play this campaign goto rptools.net and download the maptool version 1.3 (development)
http://rptools.net/doku.php
Reverent1
06/27/2008, 01:12
So, I'm interested in this, there still space? If so, how are you doing this?
So, I'm interested in this, there still space? If so, how are you doing this?
You might want to PM Stepper, and find out. That is, if you want to play 4th edition.
In other news, I need to know if you guys are definitely up for Ventrilo or not. I can get the server set up today, and then get the players all of the info they'll need, so they can test it over the weekend, get their mics and speakers set up, etc.
Also, if you use a firewall, router, or both, you're going to need to open port 51234 on your firewall in order to make MapTool work. If you need any help with this, please send me a PM. I have various ways of helping you with this.
For testing, send me, Stepp, or Tanis a PM. Any of the three of us should be able to facilitate a test for you, by starting up the server, and having you connect. I think I'll probably have the most free time for this, however. Stepp and Tanis have kids. ;)
There's also some nifty stuff we were toying around with last night, that I recommend you spend at least 5-10 minutes with one of us to learn. Such as impersonating your character, so your token appears next to your name, owning your token, etc.
All in all, I found that this is much less buggy than OpenRPG. It doesn't have all the awesome tools OpenRPG has, but there's other tools you can download from RPTools if you need them. Besides, all we want is a friggin' map. :)
Stepper79
06/27/2008, 10:21
You might want to PM Stepper, and find out. That is, if you want to play 4th edition.
In other news, I need to know if you guys are definitely up for Ventrilo or not. I can get the server set up today, and then get the players all of the info they'll need, so they can test it over the weekend, get their mics and speakers set up, etc.
Also, if you use a firewall, router, or both, you're going to need to open port 51234 on your firewall in order to make MapTool work. If you need any help with this, please send me a PM. I have various ways of helping you with this.
For testing, send me, Stepp, or Tanis a PM. Any of the three of us should be able to facilitate a test for you, by starting up the server, and having you connect. I think I'll probably have the most free time for this, however. Stepp and Tanis have kids. ;)
There's also some nifty stuff we were toying around with last night, that I recommend you spend at least 5-10 minutes with one of us to learn. Such as impersonating your character, so your token appears next to your name, owning your token, etc.
All in all, I found that this is much less buggy than OpenRPG. It doesn't have all the awesome tools OpenRPG has, but there's other tools you can download from RPTools if you need them. Besides, all we want is a friggin' map. :)
Which I am currently Re-drawing to the 1 sq = 1 ft size so it just got HUGE
Just doing some comparison shopping....
I could get a server for 20 people, for 5 bucks a month.
5 bucks a month is nothing for me. That would allow me to make several rooms on the server, so that we could serve 4 or 5 games at a time, if necessary.
That way I'd be able to help out Stepp's game, and everyone else's games that they're trying to get off the ground, here.
I could make all the GM's admins for their particular rooms.
This way, we're not looking at 4 or 5 different Vent servers. If you switch games, it won't be a complete pain in the ###.
anonym0use
06/27/2008, 11:43
ok Thawmus, Tanis and I have successfully gotten on the Rptools map tool if you want to play this campaign goto rptools.net and download the maptool version 1.3 (development)
http://rptools.net/doku.php
I don't suppose someone could consolidate all the links to one source (maybe the first page of this thread?) That way I don't have to thread dive for them. Thx!
anonym0use
06/27/2008, 11:45
In other news, if I don't play a Dragonborn Paladin, I'll shoot for an 18-20 dex Halfling Rogue and take skill bonus (Theivery) as my L1 feat. No lock shall evade me! mua ha ha!
Okay, now that I've read about healing surges, I see why the Cleric is easily replaced by the Warlord. Half of my exploits cause an ally to use a healing surge, while I'm attacking someone for twice my weapon damage, and giving my allies random bonuses to their attacks and defenses. I also see how you can get by without certain classes.
And I've read more on the Commander's strike ability. Particularly, on the Wotc forums. Thanks to my feat, and my tactical presence ability, people who I use that on, are going to be really happy with me. In particular, our high-damage Warlock. :classic:
Lots of teamwork-oriented stuff in this edition. It's better than racing to see who can one-shot monsters first.
Edit: Looking further, the Commander's strike ability only works so long as I and my ally are within melee range of the target. Not the end of the world, since I could be using it on a buffed Fighter/Rogue/Paladin, and be giving him all SORTS of bonuses, thanks to my Tactical Presence, and supplementary feat. But A little discouraged that I'll be sitting in melee, greatsword in hand, and asking someone else to make another attack instead. "My arm's tired, you hit him."
da-Craig-O
06/27/2008, 14:07
Got the MapTool and it's quite a bit bigger than Peers' tool. ;)
How do I test this thing?
Got the MapTool and it's quite a bit bigger than Peers' tool. ;)
How do I test this thing?
I'll be going to lunch in about 15 minutes, and we can test it then. I'll shoot you a PM when I get home.
da-Craig-O
06/27/2008, 14:14
I'll be going to lunch in about 15 minutes, and we can test it then. I'll shoot you a PM when I get home.
It's pretty awesome that you work so close to home. :)
It's pretty awesome that you work so close to home. :)
Usually it is.
On nights and weekends, not so much. :(
So is that a yes or a no on Ventrilo?
I'm sitting on the payment method screen. ;)
anonym0use
06/27/2008, 14:33
It's pretty awesome that you work so close to home. :)
I used to be self employed, and I worked at home at lot. Unfortunately I kept getting sexually harassed by the boss and had to quit. :surprised
da-Craig-O
06/27/2008, 14:40
So is that a yes or a no on Ventrilo?
I'm sitting on the payment method screen. ;)
I'm down with that. Of course, I've never used it, I'm not the DM and I don't have the hardware. But I'd be happy to plop down $15 for a headset.
I'm down with that. Of course, I've never used it, I'm not the DM and I don't have the hardware. But I'd be happy to plop down $15 for a headset.
It's crystal clear sound. I love it. :classic:
Stepper79
06/27/2008, 15:14
how much is Ventrilo????
and I still need a headset
Stepper79
06/27/2008, 15:19
I don't suppose someone could consolidate all the links to one source (maybe the first page of this thread?) That way I don't have to thread dive for them. Thx!
well some of it is, and until we get it all working I didn't want to send everyone down the wrong path
how much is Ventrilo????
and I still need a headset
Thawmus said it's $5 a month I believe that can allow up to 20 people.
also I think most us need to get headsets. ;) I think Thawmus is the only one that has one.
how much is Ventrilo????
and I still need a headset
For you and everyone else, it's absolutely free.
All you have to do is download and install the software, which I'd get you links for. And you'd have to put in the servername and all that the first time you connect.
It's 5 bucks a month for the server, but that's for 20 people. And it keeps us from having to make a separate box for running it.
You don't necessarily need a headset. A stand-up mic is pretty cheap these days. Everyone's got a pair of headphones, I'm sure.
da-Craig-O
06/27/2008, 15:40
So, we seem to have the software all handled. When do we plan on killing some stuff? My schedule can be both flexible and completely not. :)
So, we seem to have the software all handled. When do we plan on killing some stuff? My schedule can be both flexible and completely not. :)
yeah I spoke with Thawmus and Stepp about this a little. I was wondering how often we could get together and also when we should. But it doesn't have to be consistent. We could decide near the end of each meeting to decide when we could get together again.
da-Craig-O
06/27/2008, 15:50
yeah I spoke with Thawmus and Stepp about this a little. I was wondering how often we could get together and also when we should. But it doesn't have to be consistent. We could decide near the end of each meeting to decide when we could get together again.
You mean like, play for an hour and decide to get together again in 20 minutes? :rolleyes:
There definitely doesn't need to be a set time for each meeting.
I'll get the vent server set up this afternoon.
I'll PM Stepp the particulars.
Who else is definitely GMing a game, here?
Ah, screw the PM, here you go, fellas. Stepp, you might want to put this in your first post on the thread:
The server address is:
Thawmus.clants.net
Port number is 8888
You will need this when you make your first connection with Ventrilo.
The Ventrilo software can be found and downloaded at:
http://www.ventrilo.com/download.php
You'll want the i386 Client version, unless you're awesome like me*, and are running Windows x64.
I haven't set up the rooms and stuff yet, but I'll be getting on that throughout the day today.
The server is ALWAYS RUNNING, no matter what. So any time you want to get on and test it, do it.
If you are a GM, you need to PM me with your campaign name, and how many players you have. That way I can make a room for you, and make you an admin.
*Thawmus is not awesome at all
da-Craig-O
06/27/2008, 18:44
Hey Thawmus....could you like...get some stuff done or something. Tired of waiting around here.
;)
Hey Thawmus....could you like...get some stuff done or something. Tired of waiting around here.
;)
:mad:
That's right, I gave you the Carlos face.
Anywho, I have a couple channels set up on the server. You guys are free to check it out anytime.
da-Craig-O
06/27/2008, 18:52
Just to ask one more thing.... :cheeky:
Any links for the type of stuff to buy for Ventrillo? Will I walk into the electronics department and just go, "Oh, one of those things."?
Just to ask one more thing.... :cheeky:
Any links for the type of stuff to buy for Ventrillo? Will I walk into the electronics department and just go, "Oh, one of those things."?
Um, not really.
I mean, any microphone will work. And your speakers will work too.
You don't need to be cool and have a headset. I don't have one. A desk mic and a pair of cheap headphones should do the trick as well as anything else.
TheVagrantKing
06/28/2008, 07:16
Now the question stands....
Cleric or Rogue?
Lonewolfben
06/28/2008, 07:47
Hey guys is it too late to join up? I would love to join but i have almost no know-how, i've only played like 3-4 times so i would need a little help
darius_dax1
06/28/2008, 07:57
Has anyone decided to run 3rd (3.5)?
Now the question stands....
Cleric or Rogue?
I would seriously take Rogue.
They suggest covering the 4 points in the group: Leader, Defender, Striker, Controller. And that's mostly because classes with the same role can double for each other.
Between the Paladin and I (Warlord), we'll have all the healing we need, trust me. ;)
Whereas having another Striker couldn't hurt, really. Not to mention, we're skill-less as a party without one.
CaptainNifty
06/28/2008, 16:01
Has anyone decided to run 3rd (3.5)?
I'll get back to you on that. There is a good chance I might.
Lonewolfben
06/28/2008, 17:20
Hey guys is it too late to join up? I would love to join but i have almost no know-how, i've only played like 3-4 times so i would need a little help
is it to late to join in?
Stepper79
06/28/2008, 17:34
is it to late to join in?
no... which do you want to play 4th ed or 3.5???
Lonewolfben
06/28/2008, 17:45
no... which do you want to play 4th ed or 3.5???
doesnt matter to me but i will need a little help to start out
Stepper79
06/28/2008, 17:50
doesnt matter to me but i will need a little help to start out
Don't we all......;) we have room you would be number 5
we have a
warlock
paladin
Rouge
warlord
so the open classes are
cleric
fighter
ranger
wizard
the wizard may be best as the party does not yet have a Controller, otherwise a fighter or ranger may be good choices too but its up to you
Lonewolfben
06/28/2008, 19:19
Don't we all......;) we have room you would be number 5
we have a
warlock
paladin
Rouge
warlord
so the open classes are
cleric
fighter
ranger
wizard
the wizard may be best as the party does not yet have a Controller, otherwise a fighter or ranger may be good choices too but its up to you
Wasnt there a Barbarian or was that another game:confused:
If there is a Barbarian and he fits good into the party I will take that other wise I will take the fighter, whichever suits the party best
Craig, it seems like this isn't your first rodeo with 4th edition:
I'm trying to decide between rounding out my stats between Str, Cha, and Int, and being a well-rounded tactical warlord, or throwing all my points at having 18's in Str and Cha and being an inspiring warlord (which is possible, since I'm Dragonborn)
My problem is, the tactical stuff seems to have better incentives.
Should I leave my charisma in the dust, if I want to be tactical? What's your experience with well-rounded characters vs. specific builds in 4th edition?
Wasnt there a Barbarian or was that another game:confused:
If there is a Barbarian and he fits good into the party I will take that other wise I will take the fighter, whichever suits the party best
There's no Barb in 4th edition, sadly. I think it's been rumored to be released in a later book.
My favorite class, no doubt. :(
I wouldn't shy away from the wizard, either. It's nowhere near as scary to play as it was in the earlier D&D games. There's a lot less to keep track of.
Lonewolfben
06/28/2008, 19:59
There's no Barb in 4th edition, sadly. I think it's been rumored to be released in a later book.
My favorite class, no doubt. :(
I wouldn't shy away from the wizard, either. It's nowhere near as scary to play as it was in the earlier D&D games. There's a lot less to keep track of.
No Barbarian:disappoin, when I played I was told to be a Barbarian because it is the best for newbs but I'll take what ever fits the party best
Alright I'm done with my character. I just need to know about what equipment we're allowed to have or if we have a certain amount of money to buy equipment. :) Have to flesh out the character though....He's an avenging paladin type...but what KIND of avenging paladin. THAT is the question.....hmmm
JackAssterson
06/29/2008, 00:44
but what KIND of avenging paladin.
The puppykicking kind. The worst paladin ever in the HISTORY of paladins. You're the paladin other paladins warn the young paladins about to get 'em to stop sinning themselves at night.
You're clearly good at finding theological loopholes with your deity, though. :cheeky:
Alright I'm done with my character. I just need to know about what equipment we're allowed to have or if we have a certain amount of money to buy equipment. :) Have to flesh out the character though....He's an avenging paladin type...but what KIND of avenging paladin. THAT is the question.....hmmm
You get 100 gold.
It took me half a day to find that.... and it was staring right at me....:noid:
JackAssterson
06/29/2008, 03:01
It took me half a day to find that.... and it was staring right at me....:noid:
Natural 1's on your perception check already?
:grin:
Lonewolfben
06/29/2008, 05:58
hey guys what do i need to do first?
Lonewolfben
06/29/2008, 08:48
Ok I downloaded the Ventrilo thing but I dont know how to set it up and i will get the headset today if I have time if not tomorrow for sure
I tried to download the map thing but it says it cannot open it cause it cant find something, what do i need to do to make this work
I decided to go with the wizard but i dont know which race i should be or what powers and feats to get and do we roll for the stats or are you guys using another system to determine your stats
also i dont have any of the books but i may buy them depending how expensive they are, how much do they cost?
Stepper79
06/29/2008, 10:53
Ok I downloaded the Ventrilo thing but I dont know how to set it up and i will get the headset today if I have time if not tomorrow for sure
I tried to download the map thing but it says it cannot open it cause it cant find something, what do i need to do to make this work
I decided to go with the wizard but i dont know which race i should be or what powers and feats to get and do we roll for the stats or are you guys using another system to determine your stats
also i dont have any of the books but i may buy them depending how expensive they are, how much do they cost?
if you goto Dndinsider.com and goto the compedium you can get alot of info
Ok I downloaded the Ventrilo thing but I dont know how to set it up and i will get the headset today if I have time if not tomorrow for sure
I tried to download the map thing but it says it cannot open it cause it cant find something, what do i need to do to make this work
I decided to go with the wizard but i dont know which race i should be or what powers and feats to get and do we roll for the stats or are you guys using another system to determine your stats
also i dont have any of the books but i may buy them depending how expensive they are, how much do they cost?
Answering your questions in reverse order:
The 4th edition players handbook (what you want) is around 35 bucks.
If you can't swing that, PM Tanis, he got a hold of a way to download it pretty easily, so you can just use a PDF version.
Eladrins are really the best Wizards. Think of them as High Elves, or Grey Elves. They give a +2 to Intelligence and Dexterity, two abilities you're looking for.
Humans don't look so bad, either, though. They get an extra at-will power, which could be good for the Wizard, since he's got more at-will powers than other classes. And extra feats don't hurt him, either.
Can you get us the exact error message you're getting when you try to install MapTool?
Ventrilo works off of a server. When you first launch it, you need to set up your name, and then when you're done with that, you can set up your connection. You have to put in the server address and such, that I gave earlier.
If you need further help with this stuff, PM me. I have ways of showing you how to do this stuff.
I just noticed, as I was helping lonewolf today, that b32 is no longer the latest version of maptools.
Since Stepper's been putting a lot of time into his maps, I'd rather not mess around with b33.
So, when you're trying to download it, make sure you grab b32. You might have to go to "downloads" and then "Development Zip Archive" to get it.
Lonewolfben
06/29/2008, 15:29
Thanks for the help everyone
also I went to walmart to get a headset, they are only $15
Stepper79
06/29/2008, 17:02
both versions seem to work with my maps
So for attack and damage bonuses...it's the same with the strength modifier?
So it's a +3 to attack and damage if I have a 16 Str?
Lonewolfben
06/29/2008, 17:29
So for attack and damage bonuses...it's the same with the strength modifier?
So it's a +3 to attack and damage if I have a 16 Str?
the link to the PDF didnt work
So for attack and damage bonuses...it's the same with the strength modifier?
So it's a +3 to attack and damage if I have a 16 Str?
That is correct.
So long as the attack you are using is strength based, that is.
You'll note a few of your attacks (as a Pally) will be Charisma based. So be sure to note that.
the link to the PDF didnt work
uh oh...looks like Nifty already took it down. You'll have to PM CaptainNifty to see if he can put it back up. Sorry!
That is correct.
So long as the attack you are using is strength based, that is.
You'll note a few of your attacks (as a Pally) will be Charisma based. So be sure to note that.
But those are only the at will or encounter ones right? Nothing regular uses the Charisma right?
Also what does 1[W] mean?
TheVagrantKing
06/29/2008, 19:17
But those are only the at will or encounter ones right? Nothing regular uses the Charisma right?
Also what does 1[W] mean?
heh, i had to ask Stepp the same thing last night.
1[W] means your weapons damage once, I believe.
Eventually you get to 2[W] which is double weapon damage...?
heh, i had to ask Stepp the same thing last night.
1[W] means your weapons damage once, I believe.
Eventually you get to 2[W] which is double weapon damage...?
Yes, indeedlie.
There's actually quite a few 1st level powers you can use which will use 2[W] or more.
My Warlord, for example, has quite a few 2[w] powers already, and a slew of 3[W] as well.
Considering he's a support class, I'd be shocked if you guys didn't have the same, or better.
But those are only the at will or encounter ones right? Nothing regular uses the Charisma right?
Also what does 1[W] mean?
Well, at-will might as well be "regular", since you can use it all the time. You never run out of that.
As far as your basic attack is concerned, that'd be Str, considering you're using a melee weapon.
The key is to just read your powers thoroughly, so you know what your strengths and weaknesses are.
Well, at-will might as well be "regular", since you can use it all the time. You never run out of that.
As far as your basic attack is concerned, that'd be Str, considering you're using a melee weapon.
The key is to just read your powers thoroughly, so you know what your strengths and weaknesses are.
There's...just....too....much...info! AAAAAAAGH!!!!
Oh another question. For the pally, he gets all the armor proficiencies and the simple and military melee proficiencies. I picked the longsword, mace and scale mail. Does that mean I get +5 to attack for the longsword and mace since they're military and simple, respectively? And does that mean I get a +5 to AC since I'm trained in scale mail?
Oh another question. For the pally, he gets all the armor proficiencies and the simple and military melee proficiencies. I picked the longsword, mace and scale mail. Does that mean I get +5 to attack for the longsword and mace since they're military and simple, respectively? And does that mean I get a +5 to AC since I'm trained in scale mail?
No.
Armor: If you're proficient, you can wear it. That's all that means. You just get the armor bonus it shows on the chart. Also, since it's heavy armor, you can't apply your dex or int bonus, either.
Weapons: On the weapon chart, there is a proficiency column. It tells you what your attack bonus is if you're proficient with the weapon.
As an aside, is there a reason you're going for the longsword and mace? Neither of them can be used as an off-hand weapon, so I'm not sure what you're going for. In addition, you'll spend more feats on weapon focus, since you're using two different weapon categories.
Without being a Ranger, you're not going to be able to attack with two weapons, anyways. There's currently no feats that will allow you to do so, either. :(
No.
Armor: If you're proficient, you can wear it. That's all that means. You just get the armor bonus it shows on the chart. Also, since it's heavy armor, you can't apply your dex or int bonus, either.
Weapons: On the weapon chart, there is a proficiency column. It tells you what your attack bonus is if you're proficient with the weapon.
As an aside, is there a reason you're going for the longsword and mace? Neither of them can be used as an off-hand weapon, so I'm not sure what you're going for. In addition, you'll spend more feats on weapon focus, since you're using two different weapon categories.
Without being a Ranger, you're not going to be able to attack with two weapons, anyways. There's currently no feats that will allow you to do so, either. :(
I just picked two different weapons since I was using a shield. I couldn't afford to longswords, so I went with a mace as a backup just in case my longsword breaks, gets stolen, or it gets knocked out of hand, etc. Should I be worried about that? Also should I put my 1 feat into being more proficient in the longsword? I went with the suggested human perserverance which gives me +1 to all saves
I just picked two different weapons since I was using a shield. I couldn't afford to longswords, so I went with a mace as a backup just in case my longsword breaks, gets stolen, or it gets knocked out of hand, etc. Should I be worried about that? Also should I put my 1 feat into being more proficient in the longsword? I went with the suggested human perserverance which gives me +1 to all saves
I wouldn't worry about Weapon Focus until later. It just gives a +1 to the damage rolls.
But I would try to get a Heavy Blade for your backup weapon
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