What ATA's do we still need?

[mistercoffeeman]

There's so many alternate team abilities waiting to happen.

What Alternate Team Abilities do you think still need to be made?

[Mac42081]

Sinestro Corps.
Illuminati
Secret Society of Super Villains
Guardians of the Galaxy (If we get more figures)
Thunderbolts (Baron Zemo, etc.)

[thebigZZZZZ]

Justice League, of course...Avengers does not need any more ATA...too many ATA on Avengers already.

[tyroclix]

There's so many alternate team abilities waiting to happen.

What Alternate Team Abilities do you think still need to be made?

I misunderstood the question. In the title of the poll it says "What TA needs a makeover?"

I took it to mean a rewrite of the actual TA.

If you were asking which TA's needed an ATA Feat, then I'd say all the ones that have more than 1 keyword attached.

[AdamWarlock]

I voted for X-Men. While JLA needs a new ATA or two so they can compete fairly against Avengers who can Tbolt, most JLA groups have more or less the same operating methods, so really JLA just needs a new TA to compete, not for flavor. X-men, however, need an ATA for flavor as X-Force, Generation X, New Mutants, X-Corps, Exiles and X-Factor all have VASTLY different styles of going about their thing.

[TheSpirit]

An ATA with a keyword requirement (eg figures must have Avengers TA plus AlphaFlight keyword) would be fine, so you limit the abuse potential.

[Rognog]

JLA definitely! As previously mentioned, the Avengers TA has multiple ATA Feat Cards (one of which is highly abusable). They should make a "Justice League International" ATA Feat Card that gives charatcers some kind of bonus when working together, similar to the GLC ATA.

[mistercoffeeman]

I misunderstood the question. In the title of the poll it says "What TA needs a makeover?"

I took it to mean a rewrite of the actual TA.

If you were asking which TA's needed an ATA Feat, then I'd say all the ones that have more than 1 keyword attached.

I can see that.

1st poll learning curve, my b.

and I agree, the multiple keyword TA's need ATA's, I just wondered where it was needed most.

Do you think ATA's should have a keyword prerequisite altogether?

[mistercoffeeman]

Sinestro Corps.
Illuminati


See, these would be great candidates for keyword ATA's that override their usual TA's.

[rwint1968]

The JLA TA sooooooooooooooooooo needs a make-over (or ATA). I'd suggest something like this:

Justice League Elite:

All JLA team members now have Running Shot. They can move up to 8 spaces when using this ATA and their damage dealt is penetrating except to figures with Impervious (which would be treated normally). While I know this wouldn't be great for ALL of the JLA team members, what existing ATA is for it's members?

Thanks,
:cool:

[azathoth]

I'd just like to see a permanent fix for IL TA before any of this. The old one is horrible and needs a flat out upgrade.

[freakazoid_x]

Where's the Injustice League.

[bradley2099]

How about SHIELD? There's a near useless TA. It needs a fix.

[The Werle]

Of the TA's listed I'd say JLA, but the #1 TA that needs fixed is Injustice League, especially now that The Society is retired (not that it was ever very game breaking). After that, Titans should be either changed or brought into sync with the new X-Men TA, and and Alt-TAs for Calculator TA groups like the Rogues, Fatal/Fearsome Five, and Royal Flush Gang would all be cool.

[The Werle]

How about SHIELD? There's a near useless TA. It needs a fix.

Its being fixed in the new Fantastic Four starter, you can now add one to an adjacent character's range as a free action or use it as before.

[dernjg]

What about the JSA? It's a clearing house for the Seven Soldiers, Freedom Force, Infinity Inc and others.

[marosama1234]

with the new keywords, i think we can specify on team abilities.

For example:

Avengers:

Characters that possess the keyword "Mighty Avengers" can modify ...etc.
Characters that possess the keyword "New Avengers" blah blah blah...
Characters that possess the keyword "West Coast Avengers"... O_O

understand me?

[Snake_Judge]

I think all the free action move TA's should have an unretired ATA.

[mistercoffeeman]

Shield could have The Initiative ATA
Injustice League does indeed need a permnent fix, MoE got theirs, let The Society be permanent (although Rogues, Fatal/Fearsome Five etc, would be sweet)
Teen Titans could have Titans, Teen Titans, New Teen Titans, Titans of Tomorrow, etc.
JSA - hadn't even thought of Freedom Fighters, that's great!

with the new keywords, i think we can specify on team abilities.

For example:

Avengers:

Characters that possess the keyword "Mighty Avengers" can modify ...etc.
Characters that possess the keyword "New Avengers" blah blah blah...
Characters that possess the keyword "West Coast Avengers"... O_O

understand me?

This would work really well with Avengers and JLA, though it'd have to be a "pick one" in the case of characters like Batman or Iron Man who've been in a ton of incarnations.

[kap]

the morlocks wasnt even perinted on the last 2 pna card let alone the serpent socity...the alt IL team ability works fine, so soes the sups alt team ability. with thunderbolts and aly f4 being retired, and w/c's not being able to copy t-bolts, the keyword will soon take over if they haven't allready.
This new 2.0...clix and IT IS 2.0 .....flyiers are a glorified leapclimber now, SHARPSHOOTER....argh.....don't get me started......TA'S are fine...just eliminate a few....

[bigmac267]

I would prefer that B.P.R.D. got an ATA so their TA could be useful when they are played as a team.

[bradtheimpaler]

I would prefer that B.P.R.D. got an ATA so their TA could be useful when they are played as a team.
That goes for all Wildcard TA"S

[The Arachnid]

I would like the see the T-Bolts done up for JLA. They can call it Justice League Elite. But something nice for WC teams would be cool as well.

[Milo Garret]

This should be a multiple choice poll.

But I went with the WCs. It's no good having a TA that does nothing if no one else has something to copy.

[marosama1234]

Shield could have The Initiative ATA
Injustice League does indeed need a permnent fix, MoE got theirs, let The Society be permanent (although Rogues, Fatal/Fearsome Five etc, would be sweet)
Teen Titans could have Titans, Teen Titans, New Teen Titans, Titans of Tomorrow, etc.
JSA - hadn't even thought of Freedom Fighters, that's great!



This would work really well with Avengers and JLA, though it'd have to be a "pick one" in the case of characters like Batman or Iron Man who've been in a ton of incarnations.

oh yeah... Characters like Iron man has mighty, etc, west coast, etc, erm, and more...

I guess:

"if this character possesses multiple keywords, choose one team ability at the starting of the game" or something like that. :p

[eshuroger]

If Injustice League had made it in with Morlocks (because it sucks), I would have gone there, but with Injustice League mysteriously not being represented anywhere (and with it's decent alternate getting retired, and now won't be copyable), I went with JLA.

[TyRaX]

Since the original Excalibur spent about 75 out of the first 100 issues traveling through time and different realities (sometimes altering things), here is my ATA for them:

Excalibur:

Prerequisite: [X-men Symbol]
Cost: 0

All characters with the X-men team ability have the following team ability instead of the X-men team ability:

When two or more friendly X-men team members are adjacent, each character gains the Probability Control power. If a character already has Probability Control, then this team ability has no additional effect for that character. A character may only use the team ability Probability Control if is has one or fewer action tokens. If a character uses the team ability Probability Control, give that character an action token. Deal pushing damage normally.

[airdomin8]

Avengers / JLA / Brotherhood.

Free moves just seem boring compared to things like Mystics, Batman or even Masters of Evil.

Avengers and JLA are supposed to be their respective universe's most powerful teams. Their team abilities should be reflective of this as well...

[PMMJ]

I would like the see the T-Bolts done up for JLA. They can call it Justice League Elite.

Ugh, no. The Thunderbolts ATA was borderline cheaty. Which made us fans of the comics feel dirty playing it, and not in a good way. No, no need to go back to that well. :m-dolphin-trans:

[spider_ham]

I'd like to see ATA revolve around keywords more than actual team symbols. Characters without team symbols-- but sharing a common keyword-- could use the team ability.

Example: Trapster and Wizard have no team affiliation, but do share the Frightful Four keyword; when they are adjacent to Klaw or Titania, they can use the MoE or whatever TA Klaw is wildcarding.

This would give generics an advantage, especially if they share keywords with more powerful characters (Metropolis, Monster, etc.)

[Entertainer13]

Just make The Society text part of the IL and call it a day.

[Wolverine_Hulk]

X-Men TA

[George Smiley]

I would like to see several well thought out, easy to understand alternate TAs that actually provide a meaningful boost to teams composed entirely of the same TA in a way that could correspond to the comics. I think this would go to great lengths to motivate people to play more thematic teams regardless of whether they are pro-theme team, neutral or anti-theme team.
I understand the reasoning and applaud the choice to give the theme team bonus. I understand and agree with the theory that because theme teams are restricted to a pool of figures that they are at a disadvantage against teams constructed from the much larger pool of all figures.

My problem with the theme aspect is that certain teams function with greater effectiveness and efficiency than the sum of their individual parts and that aspect doesn't really show in Heroclix. For example the core JLA, core JSA or core Avengers or Batman/Nightwing/Robin work and practice together, share common goals and idealogies and have a lot of experience optimizing each other's powers. It seems to me that say an Avengers team of Thor, Cap, Iron Man, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch and Vision should get a substantial bonus for playing together. I'm not talking about just their TA either. (I believe both the Avengers and JLA TAs do not serve either team well because the teams are heavy with high costed figures.) This could be done with more and improved feats that list the restricted list of characters and the alternate TA.

I also think that there whould be a simple , effective substitute TA for teams composed of all wildcards. I realize that we don't have to play all wildcard teams but since the cost is contained in the figure they should have access to a similarly costed, easy to use, effective TA. And some TAs really suck. An example is the new alternate TA for the GL corps. I don't know what it is with the GL figures and TAs but they seem to be very good or very weak with no in between.

I really want some good, fairly costed, easy to use alternate TAs and I think it would be a help to the game. THe TAs could be written with the idea that they could make older figures more playable too.

[eddie_nigma]

Teen Titans need something new.

[Neff]

I'd like to see something for wildcards, so they can actually get something out of being used together. I'd like to be able to use Dr. Doom with his Doombots without having to throw Batman in with them.

[Glen Quagmire]

Now that wild cards can't use ATAs? Frankly, not much reason to make 'em anymore. The teams that really needed ATAs are losing out by not being able to work with wild cards. Bah humbug, I say now.

[ohoni]

JLA, no doubt. The "free move" thing isn't a horrible ability, but when you figure that most JLA characters are over 100 points, almost none under 50, and that on top of this there are even JLA members like Superman and Batman that come with Leadership, and therefore most JLA teams will have plenty of actions per turn, free moving is pretty much completely useless for them. It's like giving the Batman Ally ability to a character with full dial Stealth.

[Prof. Aragorn]

Yeah, I'll take as many alternate team abilities as possible - anything to diversify affiliations.

You can now make tons of Serpent Society members and give them Masters of Evil, then make an Alternate Feat card that allows phasing teleport in conjunction with move/attack ability.

Or you can make an alternate team ability for all wildcard teams outside of Legion swarms (Marvel Knights, Frightful Four, etc.)

[Jackofhearts2005]

I'd just like to see a permanent fix for IL TA before any of this. The old one is horrible and needs a flat out upgrade.

Hear hear.

Do you think ATA's should have a keyword prerequisite altogether?

Only if wizkids starts making better use of keywords.

Take the Society ATA fo instance.

Clixed characters that do not have the Society keyword that were relatively major parts of the organization: 4 versions of Deathstroke, Alexander Luthor, 2 versions of Talia, Doctor Psycho, 1 version of Dr. Light (don't think R/E/LE should count), 3 versions of Black Adam, 1 Sinestro, 1 Psycho Pirate, 2 Cheetah, 1 Doctor Polaris, 3 Bizarro, 2 Mirror Master (who is a keyword nightmare as the dials that represent Evan have keywords for Sam and vice versa), etc etc.

Clixed characters that do have the Society keyword that were not part of the Society: Copperhead, Cheetah (wrong Cheetah), Lex Luthor (wrong Luthor).

Clixed characters who have the Society keyword and showed up in like one panel of a Society related comic book: Shadow Thief, Harley Quinn, Scarecrow, Jinx, Mr. Freeze.

Clixed characters who have the Society keyword and deserve it: Vet Knockout, Vet Cheetah, Vet Talia, Vet Sinestro, Vet Black Adam, Vet Queen Bee.

And this is aside from the fact that almost none of them actually have the Injustice League ta. :rolleyes:

So I guess what I'm trying to say is "no." ;)

In other news, I think Calculator needs ATAs more than anybody. They represent the Fearsome Five, the Fatal Five and the Rogues. None of those groups really team up with other supervillains outside their group that much. Rogues can kinda get away with wildcarding to Alchemy and Mirror Master's IL...kinda.

JLA comes next as, like ohoni pointed out, free move is useless when the figure is over 100 points. Not quite as useless overall as a wildcard without anything to wildcard to, but pretty useless.