MEPHISTO - shout out

[wintremute]

Everyone seems to love the sculpt, so I'm NOT considering that in this poll.

This poll is just for the DIAL. What's your call?

I like the dial - it's comic accurate and priced right
I like the dial - it's comic accurate
I like the dial - it's priced right
I don't like the dial - it's priced too high
I don't like the dial - it's not comic accurate
I don't like the dial - it's not comic accurate and it's priced too high

[Benandorf]

I don't think its priced too high, per se, just that its points are in a different place than people expect. But I also don't think its comic accurate; this is a guy who's beaten up Dr. Doom and Dr. Strange on numerous occasions. And it's not like he gets stronger or weaker; he's an immortal demon.

[Wolverine_Hulk]

I picked the top choice.

[WarHULK]

Officially, I LIKE the dial but I do not like the cost for the dial. I have no problem with his stats for 110-125.

For the 145 if he started with a click of 19 followed by a click of 18 I'd dig him... or if he had the new defense symbol so he could push without damage.

[BadAxe1]

I voted: I don't like the dial it's priced too high.


Compare this dial to really great dials at 140 to 145 points and you'll see what I mean. Despero's 12 AV w/ Psychic Blast and 4 damage, awesome. Ult Iron Man blasting away through stealth, sick.

Mephisto glaring at you while doing nothing.....(Crickets chirping)

He needs TK or a taxi to ever get him in position, which makes him cost more for artificial movement

Mephisto just has zero dial synergy, nothing that makes him worth fielding for those points IMHO.

[spider_ham]

The dial could stand to be a 20 points cheaper, but otherwise, I like it. And this is only one representation of him.

Oddly enough, I think that when Blackheart is made, he'll be at least 3 times as powerful (and more expensive)...

[tom730]

I'd like to see him with a SP that was a version of automatic regeneration.
If he at least could stand up to numerous assaults with that kind of power his lack of damage wouldn't bother me.
As he is he's kind of a wimp really. Lesser characters will take him down and they shouldn't.

[rollinsolo]

This poll didn't have what I wanted to vote. I like the dial, and the price, but I don't think it's comic accurate.

[wintremute]

This poll didn't have what I wanted to vote. I like the dial, and the price, but I don't think it's comic accurate.

I'm sorry, I don't know how I missed that combination. It's very logical and I just overlooked it.

[snatreaper]

I picked that I don't like the dial because I don't believe it's comic-accurate. Mephisto should have Probability Control and Willpower of some sort (whether it be Willpower, Indomitable, or Power Cosmic). I don't mind that he plays a support roll. I just wish he did it more like Mephisto.

[GreenMonster]

My version of Blackheart...yes it is a duo...

V Blackheart
Team: Mystics
Range: 8 :bolt::bolt::bolt:
Points: 222
Keywords: Deity, Hellfire Club
m-wing-transa-duod-normalg-normal12111741010174101218591117491018499173811164810154129153128143KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOAttack - Blackheart's Reality: Blackheart may use Telekinesis, but when it is used on objects, he may target and use all objects within 8 spaces and in his Line of Fire.
Defense - Armies from the Pits: Blackheart may use Toughness and Barrier. Once per turn, as a free action, make an attack roll using Blackheart's attack and damage values from a Barrier token to an adjacent opposing character.

[Slade Wilson]

I picked I like it, its comic accurate, now hear me out I LIKE it, I dont love it! Its comic accurate because mephisto rarley has true confrontations with characters he is more of a manipulator behind the scenes, so in that regard i get what seth was going for. I like that he is mystics too. I think impervious would have made more sense than super senses but thats just me.

[stuman6]

This Mephisto figure has the Worst dial representation ever. Mephisto takes on Thor, Silver Surfer, Dr Doom, DR strange etc, etc. and he has only one damage throughout his dial. What??? Butchering this classic character. He has been around for a long time and he is not just a Jimmny Cricket behind the scenes whispering evil thoughts. He has gone toe- to -toe with Marvels most powerful. His sculpt is nice, but again I was hoping for a giant figure of him. This version is a joke. Nuff said.

[Cliffjumper]

I think you missed two options for my choices.

I like the dial - for what it is its ok, but couldve been better.

I dont like the dial - there is so much more they couldve done better.

[Pepsirox08]

They could have done this dial SOOO much better!! and with only one damage i kno i wont be using him often...

[Boosnickerty]

Here we are to contemplate what could have been yet again. Total garbage.

[charlesx]

I'm not planning on committing half of my team build (in a 300 point tourney) to a figure that does 1 point of damage all dial long. That's my take on it, bottom line. Love the sculpt, though. Gotta give you that.

[IceHot]

I'm suprised they made this figure.
Its BAD Character Selection.
It's somewhat Offensive Character Selection.
Figures of this power scale dont belong in HeroClix
The Special Power is clearly poorly tested and really fails to achieve the effect they were looking for.

Lets just pray I dont get saddled with this horrible SR.

[Skarlokh]

I've been wanting a Mephisto made real bad, now finally I love the sculpt..but for some reason he's weak and overpriced. lord of the underworld? pfffft not to Seth:disappoin I don't want to disrespect Seth, but what is that..lame.

[kallisti]

I would have liked an option that stated it is comic accurate, but it is priced too high. That is where my opinion lies, as it was I was vacillating between "priced too high" and "comic accurate."

[Marlow]

It is a nice dial for a Lord of Lies, who is a manipulator not a fighter. It is just too expensive for what it is. For one hundred points or so I would play it.

[wintremute]

85 out of 126 voters (67.4%) are not liking the new red.

[krusticlese]

Travesty, thy name is Mephisto.

[eshuroger]

The powerhouse I was expecting is not what came out. He's a support piece with a little punch, as he's obviously being portrayed more as the master manipulator, then the powerful demon lord.

For 145 points, I compared him to V Mister Miracle, which is a piece I like. Mister Miracle is also a support piece, with maybe a little more punch, and is a lot more difficult to take out. Mephisto has his 8 range with 2 targets and Mystics over MM. I think I'll still probably use Mister Miracle when I'm looking for 145 point support, but I can see where the points came from.

I do have a little rules question that occurred to me with him. If his Leadership action can only be used by him, does that mean that Mephisto must use the last action in that turn? I don't think it was ever stated that the extra action for Leadership came in any particular numerical order, so I'm thinking not.

[BigSoph]

While I am no Marvel fan, I think this dial is more than a touch weak

I guess this balances them screwing Phantom Stranger

[BigSoph]

FWIW though, that is an awesome sculpt! Very dynamic, very ... ummm ... evil!

[AUKOS]

I'm suprised they made this figure.
Its BAD Character Selection.
It's somewhat Offensive Character Selection.
Figures of this power scale dont belong in HeroClix



huh? care to explain? he is a classic silver surfer villain.

I like the powers and dial mostly - my vote was derived from the one point of damage. Should be at least 2 or one with " if this attack succeeds add a token or attack is penetrating damage"

Sculpt is one of HC top ten.

AUKOS

[lukebuchanan]

It is a nice dial for a Lord of Lies, who is a manipulator not a fighter. It is just too expensive for what it is. For one hundred points or so I would play it.



Bingo....there should be a choice saying "love the sculpt, like the dial, it's just costed too high".

That would be my vote.

[Prof. Aragorn]

Do people know how to play this game?

What part of 8 click mystic with 5 clicks incap, outwit, and leadership sound inexpensive to you?

I'll go through why Mephisto is worth his cost:

First click: 8/11/17/1 costs 7 points, then each subsequent click costs 1 point.

For just his stats, Mephisto costs 14 points.

He has an 8 range, so that's 3 points (1 point for click 1, 4, and 7 having an attack value above 4). With 2 targets and more than 4 clicks of life that's 7 points.

Now for range and stats, Mephisto costs 24 points.

Team Ability: Mystics is 3 points a click, 8*3 = 24 so now we've doubled Mephiso's cost with his team ability to 48 points.

8 clicks of phasing is 8 points. 56 points total.

Incapacitate is normally 5 points on the first click and the fourth, 3 points on the second, third and fifth, but since there's a chance for nothing to happen I'm dropping the point cost by 2 per click and not adding the extra points attributed to block powers for having 5 clicks in a row of incapacitate. Ergo Incapacitate adds 9 points to his cost for a total of 65 points.

Steal energy is 2/3/2 points on the clicks they appear so Mephisto now costs 72 points.

Super senses on the first click is 3 points, the second costs 2, the third 1, the fourth 3, and the 5th 1. Since Mephisto has 5 clicks in a row of super senses, the block power for that is a point a click. So 15 points for 5 clicks of super senses. Mephisto now costs 87 points.

Regeneration is 1 point on click 6, and 3 points on click 7 and 8. Mephisto now costs 94 points.

Special power outwit and leadership: Leadership gets -1 point on click 1, 4, and 5 since Mephisto is the only one who can use the extra action. 2/1/1/2/1 means 7 points for Leadership making Mephisto cost 101 points. Outwit for click 1 costs 12 points, and 5 points for the next 4 clicks. 32 points later, Mephisto costs 133 points. 1 point a click for Mephisto having 5 clicks of this block power. Now he costs 138 points.

Exploit Weakness costs 2/3/2 on its respective clicks, Hence Mephisto costs for a grand total of 145 points.

His cost is accurate. His dial reflects how he loses every time in the comics, yet he's still incredibly cunning (outwit) and able to tie up opponents or offer bargains.

[imaleximsweet]

Do people know how to play this game?

What part of 8 click mystic with 5 clicks incap, outwit, and leadership sound inexpensive to you?

THIS GUY NAILED IT!

He's a appropriately costed support piece. yes he's gone toe to toe Doom and Surfer, but thats 1.) not the character Seth wanted to do (as stated in his preview) 2.) its not what Mesphisto is famous for, sure he's fought big time characters but that happens once in a great while. i feel its more appropriate that hes represented as this manipulator in his first appearence in clix.

i for one will definatly be wanting one, and will definatly play him in a 300 tourny with the propper support. (Gamora)

all those clicks of outwit and incap is EXPENSIVE. we all know this...

i like stradegy pieces like this coming out. new ways to play, instead of just finding the most expensive piece (cough superman un cough) and just pounding away

but thats just me

-Alex:m-dolphin-trans:

[DareDevil_13]

I don't like it because its priced too high. Not sure about comic accuracy, never read much with him.

I just think that his powers do not make up for being so weak.

[ccs]

I voted that I like the dial & it's points cost.

Is it Mephisto as many of you envision him? No. Obviously not....
But then there's a great many clix made over the years that one could argue don't represent the characters very well.
And personally I'd have thought he'd have a bit of PC or Perplex or something, but oh well.

So why do I like this dial?

1) Because I'll enjoy the challenge of playing it successfully.

2) Because my prefered style of play is not tounament/event focussed (though I do play in some). I know that I'm not alone either.
So maybe, just maybe, it's been taken into account that there are more types of players out there than those focussed only on tournament play. Have any of you considered that Mephisto isn't intended for the tourny scene? Sure, use him there if you want (I will), but don't cry about the likely results.....
I predict that this fig will enjoy a fair amount of use outside competitive play.

3) Because so many of you don't like this fig it'll be easy for the other half of us to pick him up. :) Wich leads me to #4....

4) Talk about your odd Marvel Team-Ups. How funny is it going to be to beat too-serious-type people with a team consisting of a weak Mephisto, Howard the Duck, & ???. :) :)
Hells, I'm likely going to win fellowship prizes just for fielding this!

[PMMJ]

Do people know how to play this game?

Yes, but thanks for asking. :a-sharpshooter:

[Val]

Hmmm. I like the dial. But the problem with these kinds of figures is that they might be a little too expensive.
He reminds me of Phantom Stranger, who's also a little too costy.
But it's an interesting piece, to say the least, not as good as the stranger, but a little cheaper as well.

[lukebuchanan]

Yes, but thanks for asking. :a-sharpshooter:



And now this begs the question, do you know what sarcasm is??

He was just pointing out that we all know that Incap, Leadership and Mystics are expensive abilities...

[Neverfate]

I voted for disliking the dial because it's a little too pricey for what it could do. If his special powers gave him a little more board control, or if he had the Indomitable defense symbol, but at the same price then we'd be talking here.

[gmastermcd]

I am not a Mephisto fan but I doubt I would play this piece over the doctor starnge. 4 more points and I get wild card, 2 more range, 15 more speed, 1 more attack, 7 more defense, 14 more damage, 3 clicks of quake, 3 clicks of energy explosion, 4 clicks of psychis blast, 1 defend at 18 defense, 3 clicks of energy shield, 5 clicks of perplex 3 of which have a chance to do +/-2 and of course trick shot.

I would lose 8 clicks of Mystic (which could be wildcarded), 4 clicks of crappy incap, 1 click of super senses, 2 clicks of outwit, 3 steal energy, regen and exploit weakness.

Sure Mephisto has steal energy and EW in his last 3 clicks but why would I even want to try and use it with an 8 attack theres a good chance I wont hit and the enemy im fighting has to hit a 14-15 defense to do full damage to me? the steal energy and EW in the last 3 clicks are wasted I am just going to try and phase/teleport away and try to regen. I would have much rather dropped the EW and steal energy for a little bit more speed in the end dial.

I find Dark Bargain isn't too representing of the title. Why is it even using Incap you would think it would have soomething to do with Mind Control like
Dark Bargain Mephisto can use Mind Control. When Mephisto successfully uses Mind Control roll a 6d on a result of 1 or 2 Mephisto reduce damage he takes from Mind Control in half, on a result of 5 or 6 double damage Mephisto takes from Mind Control minimum 1.

or an alternative

Dark Bargain - When ever Mephisto would use his Mystics Team Ability the attacking player rolls a 6 sided die on a result of 1 or 2 the attacking character takes damage normally on a result of 3 or 4 the attacking character takes damage normally and receives an action token if they have less then 2 action tokens, on a result of 5 or 6 the attacking charcter takes double damage from the Mystics Team Ability. Any action tokens reseived from this ability does not causing pushing damage.

[Wolverine_Hulk]

And now this begs the question, do you know what sarcasm is??

He was just pointing out that we all know that Incap, Leadership and Mystics are expensive abilities...

Outwit is also expansive, look at KC Batman.

[shazam256]

Everyone seems to love the sculpt, so I'm NOT considering that in this poll.

This poll is just for the DIAL. What's your call?

I like the dial - it's comic accurate and priced right
I like the dial - it's comic accurate
I like the dial - it's priced right
I don't like the dial - it's priced too high
I don't like the dial - it's not comic accurate
I don't like the dial - it's not comic accurate and it's priced too high

Well, I don't know that much about Mephisto: So I will vote: I don't like the dial - it's not comic accurate and it's priced a little high.

[pascal21]

I like the dial, but i think this piece is too costy.

The question is : would you play a "support" character for this cost ?
Better numbers should have made him more attractive, for approximately the same cost.

Plus, his special powers are not great.
His leadership can be used once per 2 turns. And its limititation will certainly be confusing in play.
His special incap is also less affective than "normal" incap, because there is some prob that it makes ... nothing.

There was so many possibility to create some really interesting special powers for that kind of character.

[Iceman425]

Wow. He sucks. End of post. Over.

[TheRedHood]

Don't like the dial and don't think it is comic accurate. I mean it is Friggin Mephisto. Shouldn't he be on par with the Crisis Spectre? Just my opinion. Like the skulpt alot!!

[I Am The Game]

To me, this figure is a disappointment of epic proportions. I'm a Mephisto fan, and I'll still trade this one away because I can't stand to own this piece. I already have the Bowen mini-bust, and the pewter figure that comes with the magazine, so the sculpt is not a factor for me... :cry:

[freakazoid_x]

The problem with frontpage polls is that the answers are all either too specific to fit a lot of people or they're too vague. Example, this one. There needs to just be an option for "I like the dial" and "I don't like the dial" because I might like the dial for reasons that defy character and comic specifics. Maybe I JUST like the dial. Well there are three options for that. I can't narrow it down more then that, and I'm not really knowledgable about Mephesto in comics to specify. I guess I'm just left out.

[Battletank900]

Wow. He sucks. End of post. Over.

Iceman425 summed it up for me. Plus he has a nice avatar.

[wintremute]

I wonder how Prophus would vote...


Well, the Haters have a strong lead, but the Likers still won't go away. The split is still roughly 65/35.

[zero_cochrane]

The dial is comic-accurate for Mephisto's appearances in most storylines. When was the last time he physically attacked anybody who wasn't in Hades? I can't remember.

The cost is also about where I'd expect to see a dual-Incapper with four clicks of Outwit and Leadership, plus the Mystics TA. No wonder he seems overcosted - four clicks of Incapacitate will usually do that!

So I voted #1 as the best fit - the dial is comic-accurate and about as many points as I'd expect... but I don't actually like it and probably wouldn't play it. ;)

[airdomin8]

Shouldn't Mephisto have been a +200 pt monster figure?

His numbers and pricing make him look like a glorified tie-up piece.

[gambitrmp]

I got Myx. This seems way underpowered. Even if he plays with people, I'd rather him look like Trigon who I might use to represent him saving me from needing to get a SR. Let the player decide if he's playing with his foe or going all out for a KO is my opinion. I don't know. It's just sad to see a mega power bring "so little" to the battlefeild. Looses his scariness with this dial in my book.

Edit - actually this is a good choise for a SR since it's more of a collector piece than a play piece. I'd say now we need a rare that represents Mephisto in Hates; but we kinda already have it - the above mentioned Trigon. I'm liking it the more I think of it.

[Neff]

If I get my hands on a Mephisto, I might just have to cannibalize the sculpt and put it on Trigon's dial to make him more useable. I really hate over-priced support figures like him and Phantom Stranger, and the Skrull Emperor.

[JayThor]

I don't think it represents a level 2 demon lord who has battled the Surfer and beat him, as well as being listed as being as powerful as Odin, Hela, and Pluto. Far too weak.

[thanosrulz]

This is my first post about mephisto but i have read alot about how much he sucks from some and from others how "he's not that bad...i get what they were trying to do". Lets face it, out all the possible representations you could make for this character, this is far from anything accurate to him in the comics, and does nothing for me or more than have the people that have commented on him.

First off i can see where the points came from, but that doesn't mean it makes him any shape or form playable in standard 300 point....or bigger games.He by no means shows anything of "Master of Manipulation" with only a 8 range with two targets is wasted when he has no move and attack, or a Willpower of some kind to help him manuever, and hit someone with his "Dark Bargain" which lacks to instill any fear to anyone..to have only 1 damage throughout his dial and to "maybe" do 1 damage or nothing at all is just flat out silly.And then to make things worse...he has only super senses? A defense that starts at 17 and works its way down to 14?...Yes, he does have mystics...but it will do you alittle good when he will more than likely be taken out in 2-3 hits.....and you couldn't ever waste the points to feat him up either...For 145 points?.....He is ####...i would have rather they not have even made him for the way the butcherd him.

[thanosrulz]

They should have at least give him a sweet Mind Control power.....at least a 2 damage? a normal human generics have most of the time a 2 damage. Just because he very seldom gets into a battle....does not mean he cannot fricken hurt someone....He has claws and fangs and ****. :)

[Prof. Aragorn]

They should have at least give him a sweet Mind Control power.....at least a 2 damage? a normal human generics have most of the time a 2 damage. Just because he very seldom gets into a battle....does not mean he cannot fricken hurt someone....He has claws and fangs and ****. :)

Level 2 demons deign using their claws and fangs to attack.

And it's not like he can't harm Surfer or other power pieces: That's what incap/exploit weakness/outwit is for.

And Mystics always adds retaliation, just needs to keep getting those regen rolls and he's in business.

Sure, Power Cosmic Surfers with upfront hypersonic would tend to own this Mephisto, but considering how no matter what Mephisto has yet to gain Surfer's soul (or outright killed Strange and Doom who have ventured into his own domain and outsmarted him there . . . ) I don't see what's the problem.

Oh wait . . . he's a fan favorite that doesn't have uber stats with uber damage and uber mobility. :tired:

[zero_cochrane]

A Mephisto who could actually take the veteran Surfer one on one would not be comic accurate. Mephisto has got a lot of impressive tricks up his sleeve (transforming a bystander like John Blaze into a powerful demon like Ghost Rider, for example!), but he's never truly been a match for the Surfer.

Mephisto is a truly formiddable being - when in Hades.

The Silver Surfer is a formiddable being everywhere.

Maybe what we need is a "Hades" event dial or battlefield condition that gives Mephisto that extra power! But on earth, he's just not that potent.

[RedRook]

The dial is trash, I honestly don't understand it. They could have at least given him some power clicks at the end of his dial (and a longer dial at that) to make up for his complete lack of usefulness, but instead they decided that one of the most powerful Marvel villains should be an overpriced phasing outwitter... He should have Willpower, he should get some kind of damage dealing ability, he should get something! At the very least he should have an uber-outwit power the like of which Dr.Doom has, or the ability to outwit anyone regardless of TA or something. Instead he gets incapacitate with a chance of doing damage... I feel kind of cheated by such a great sculpt with such useless powers. Screw Mephesto, I'm gonna just play Howard the duck instead.

[Quasimoto]

Do people know how to play this game?

What part of 8 click mystic with 5 clicks incap, outwit, and leadership sound inexpensive to you?

I'll go through why Mephisto is worth his cost:

First click: 8/11/17/1 costs 7 points, then each subsequent click costs 1 point.

For just his stats, Mephisto costs 14 points.

He has an 8 range, so that's 3 points (1 point for click 1, 4, and 7 having an attack value above 4). With 2 targets and more than 4 clicks of life that's 7 points.

Now for range and stats, Mephisto costs 24 points.

Team Ability: Mystics is 3 points a click, 8*3 = 24 so now we've doubled Mephiso's cost with his team ability to 48 points.

8 clicks of phasing is 8 points. 56 points total.

Incapacitate is normally 5 points on the first click and the fourth, 3 points on the second, third and fifth, but since there's a chance for nothing to happen I'm dropping the point cost by 2 per click and not adding the extra points attributed to block powers for having 5 clicks in a row of incapacitate. Ergo Incapacitate adds 9 points to his cost for a total of 65 points.

Steal energy is 2/3/2 points on the clicks they appear so Mephisto now costs 72 points.

Super senses on the first click is 3 points, the second costs 2, the third 1, the fourth 3, and the 5th 1. Since Mephisto has 5 clicks in a row of super senses, the block power for that is a point a click. So 15 points for 5 clicks of super senses. Mephisto now costs 87 points.

Regeneration is 1 point on click 6, and 3 points on click 7 and 8. Mephisto now costs 94 points.

Special power outwit and leadership: Leadership gets -1 point on click 1, 4, and 5 since Mephisto is the only one who can use the extra action. 2/1/1/2/1 means 7 points for Leadership making Mephisto cost 101 points. Outwit for click 1 costs 12 points, and 5 points for the next 4 clicks. 32 points later, Mephisto costs 133 points. 1 point a click for Mephisto having 5 clicks of this block power. Now he costs 138 points.

Exploit Weakness costs 2/3/2 on its respective clicks, Hence Mephisto costs for a grand total of 145 points.

His cost is accurate. His dial reflects how he loses every time in the comics, yet he's still incredibly cunning (outwit) and able to tie up opponents or offer bargains.

Which is exactly why he's not worth his points. 5 clicks of leadership? 8 of phasing? Get out of here. Just because he's appropriately costed in the point matrix doesn't mean he'll translate well in battle.

[tyroclix]

Its nothing new.

We have the dial already, we called him V Mister Miracle.

Nearly the exact same dial - if only the defense was 2 points higher per click Mephisto would be getting the same reviews as Scott...

[zero_cochrane]

they decided that one of the most powerful Marvel villains should be an overpriced phasing outwitter...Mephisto isn't one of the most powerful villains of the Marvel universe. He's not even close to the top ten. He tends to use illusions against heroes, to trick them into making bargains in which they grant Mephisto their souls.

Just because he's "the devil" (one of many in the Marvel Universe - honestly, they have a club!) doesn't mean that he's all that potent. Oh, he killed Mockingbird? Woooo... feel the fury! :laugh:

The truth is, Mephisto isn't the devil - he just allows humans to think that he is. I'd give more credit to beings like Dormmammu or Cthon as having superior mystical power - Cthon especially, he's quite nasty.

[USAgent]

I voted for #1. Being a long time Mehpisto fan, I am very happy with this figure. The funny part is, I am happy that others hate him, it'll make it easier for me to get multiples. My dad was always a big Ghost Rider fan, and he always loved Mephisto. So I sincerely hope the hatred for Mephisto remains.....I'll be more than happy to take all the extras. Send my pops an extra Mephisto figure to go along with the extra Fan Forces Ghost Rider he has glued to his dash board hahahaha.

[scarecrow826]

If he was cheaper he definitley would be cooler... But he's just not good in this game and I'm getting sick of Wizkids screwing up these dials by making cool characters too expensive. I want to play figures and have them be effective. I don't care if Mephisto has one damage, but at least make him be less than 145 damn points.

[RedRook]

Mephisto isn't one of the most powerful villains of the Marvel universe. He's not even close to the top ten. He tends to use illusions against heroes, to trick them into making bargains in which they grant Mephisto their souls.

I would say that he kind of is. He may not be highly featured like Dr.Doom or tends to be or flaunt power copiously but I would honestly think he is one of the strongest villains around. The guy on a regular basis could screw with anyone he wanted and pretty much get away with it. He didn't have to run out punching people and shooting laser beams from every orifice.

You're right that he is a manipulator and somewhat of an illusionist but he has more than capable power to be much more than that, even outside of Hades. He coerces people because of being bound by certain rules he must abide by and out of sheer entertainment in the matter.

More to the point though, it's ridiculous that when you have someone of that kind of ability they make him a badly thought out annoyance. I far from believe he should be a one man army but the guy has Leadership! LEADERSHIP! Useless. Unless they're making random Demon generics why would he need that? Also the complete lack of any variety of support. Why no perplex, no prob, no mind control, no shape change, or even plasticity or Barrier? I dig the incap ability except for the fact that apparently even if you pull it off, the enemy can roll a 5 or 6 and negate even the usefulness of incap. I mean, why not say they take both the token and the possibility of another piercing damage? Then it would be awesome and make sense... But I digress. I just feel kind of cheated. I was really looking forward to Mephesto and now I just feel let down.

[USAgent]

I wouldnt say Leadership is totally useless on Mephisto, he does posses the power, making him able to use certain feats as per the new rules. I know it's not a great power, but I wouldnt mind throwing Contingency Plan or Inspiring Command on him for an all Mystics team. I already have a Stunning Blow feat set aside for Mephisto to use.

[mountaindood]

I have neither strong like or dislike for the dial for any of the reasons on the poll.
I think the Phasing/Outwit combo will be more useful with the new feat card restrictions. Just my opinion. There's a lot of Outwit right now, but the ability to place your Outwitter strategically and tie up your opponent
s key figures is what this guy brings to the table.
I'd like to see him and Namor duke it out.
Having Marvel Mystics is really cool, too.
I think on the last clicks, his damage value could have been bumped up a little bit.
He also would have been helped out by some enhanced Regen Special Power.
Built in Auto-regen or Healing Factor or even a Steal Energy that lets you use Regen as a free action instead of the regular "heal one click".

As far as comic accuracy goes, I'm not terribly familiar with him, but he doesn't strike me as the dependable sort.

If anyone is fretting over this dial, take heart.
Mephisto can always ret-con himself a couple sets from now. ;)

I'll be playing him with Passenger and Auto-Regen whenever possible.
(edit: Or maybe Passenger and Shaman with Call to Arms or something)

[Project: J-ko]

Bearing in mind that I don't know the character at all, I like the dial.

I think he could stand to be 20 points cheaper...but I also think that if he was 20 points cheaper, he'd lose the Mystics TA...and that's going to be very useful in larger point games.

[tidge]

Folks that want a big bad devil will choose Trigon.

Folks that want a master manipulator will choose Time Trapper.

Folks that want a SR will trade Mephisto for Wasp.

[rwint1968]

I love getting new characters in clix, so to me it's not sooooooooooo important for the figs dial to have their whole "life's worth" of powers and abilities on just one dial. They still put out multiple versions of a figure, it's just not in a single set anymore (with certain exceptions; MM Beast, I'm looking at you). For this, I voted that Mephisto is comic accurate and priced right.

Thanks,
:cool:

[Darth Sabre]

I think his dial is inaccurate. :disappoin

[CornsilkSW]

they desperately need to change the Regeneration power if they want dials like this to work well in the game.
Minimum of 1, preferrably as a free action.

he should have been 100 points even for those numbers and powers

[Magneticlaw]

A lot of people expected Mephisto to be an over-200pt tank with tons of damage dealing and ridiculous powers and defense. While it is true that he is extremely powerful in the comics, look at what he does-he's a manipulator, not a slugger. In a game of comic book re-created battles featuring some of the most powerful characters like Thor, Superman, Shazam and so on, representing characters who operate with subtlety rather than brute force (such as Riddler, Lex Luthor, or Loki) becomes tricky. He's gone at it against Thor before (in his own realm, no less) and lost badly. Also look at his track record-while he is the 'Prince of Lies', he almost always is defeated and made a fool of at the end of any given storyline (by low-enders such as Daredevil, even). A dial design similar to that of Impossible Man, Mr Mxyzptlk, Phantom Stranger, and the Skrull Emperor seems more appropriate than that of villains who regularly use gratuitous power displays in addition to their behind-the-scenes machinations, such as Dr Doom or Magneto. With that said, he does seem a bit pricey, and more support-type powers would have certainly been appropriate, but all-in all he'll probably make a decent play piece in the right hands.

Additionally, it may ease the mind of players to assume that Mephisto is never KO'ed, only banished temporarily for the time being.

[AbraKadabra]

I think the dial is priced right, but it is NOT comic accurate. :disappoin

[ludd_gang]

Well, my choice is simply "I don't like the dial." It is probably priced right, it is arguably comic-accurate. I just don't like it.

[THECIMMERIAN]

Mephisto has never been one to enter the fray and kill and maim his enimies. I get that. He's a master manipulator and does not slug it out with the heroes, but I tend to beleive he could do more than one damage and should be a lot harder to hit. Maybe a 19 imperv to start? I also beleive he should have a special power that grants him the power cosmic and the mystics ta.

This version is over priced and inaccurate. A pog could damage him.

[GreenMonster]

Yeah, one click of furious demon might would've satisfied all, Maybe his sixth click looking like this:

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[LeBagnard]

Mephisto needs to be 12 points less. That way i can play 400 pts of thanos and mephisto for an infinity gauntlet team.

[The7ofDiamonds]

Easily, by far,hands down the most overcosted click since LE Alan Scott from Origin, or even KC Batman.

[zero_cochrane]

Well, my choice is simply "I don't like the dial." It is probably priced right, it is arguably comic-accurate. I just don't like it.Yeah, that's basically my opinion. I think that the dial suits him, but it's not the kind of character I want to use.

[BadAxe1]

Do people know how to play this game?

I do anyway.


What part of 8 click mystic with 5 clicks incap, outwit, and leadership sound inexpensive to you?

That's all well and good. I even understand that this version is meant to represent Mephisto in our world where he's far less powerful, basically a really evil trickster. Still this dial stinks for 145 points. There is just no way I would ever tie up half my build total in standard play with a dial full of one DV's, Outwit, and half assed Incap.

Watered down Leadership and Incap must be way over priced for what
they offer.

Take a look at the Vet Demon from Legacy.

V The Demon
Team: Mystics
Range: 6 :bolt:
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That's nine clicks of Mystic with Toughness all the way down the dial and great damage dealing potential for 119 points. I've used this figure quite often as a mop up/ tie up piece and it's very effective for the points.

I'd say that the V. Demon costs 26 points less and offers far much more than his Marvel counterpart.


Joephisto just cost too much too offer so little. Wait...did I say Joephisto I meant....oh never mind.

[JoeGualtieri]

The dial is interesting, but it's way over costed and bears zero resemblence to Mephisto. How the frack did he not get Power Cosmic? There's no way Mephisto should be dealing only one damage per click.