If you don't want to play, STOP SIGNING UP!

[Magnito]

I have had it up to here with inactive players. Every single game, these people sign up and don't play and I can't take it anymore. It ruins games. Besides that, why even sign up if you don't intend to do anything.

Signing up for a game is like signing a contract that you will:
a) participate in the game thread and
b) PM actions in a timely manor

If you don't intend on doing this, do not sign up. It is that simple. On top of that, when you sign up, know that there is a possibility that you will be mafia, and that does not mean you get to slack off.

I am very close to creating a blacklist of players I will no longer allow in my games because of this. Seriously everyone, play the game, or leave it to those that will.

[turdburglar47]

On this general vibe, why do people who know nothing about the subject matter sign up for games they won't know anything about?

[Shadow40]

On this general vibe, why do people who know nothing about the subject matter sign up for games they won't know anything about?

Because on occasion the mod pms you and asks you to sign-up to help them fill the game. I've done it and I will continue to do it when they ask me nicely for help in filling up their game.

[Rokk_Krinn]

On this general vibe, why do people who know nothing about the subject matter sign up for games they won't know anything about?

Well, I can't speak for everyone but in my case it's frequently meant as a gesture of support to the mod.

It's also a case of, we've become a community of sorts and even if I don't know a lot about the topic - though I figure I can research as we go along - I still want to "hang out and enjoy a game with my buddies".

[malakim2099]

I'll echo what everyone else has said on that, really. And I really have to echo Magnito's comments. Seriously, if you can't play, then don't sign up. :)

[The BoyBlunder]

On the other hand, if you don't sign up, you can't play.


I don't really know what that means. I'm pretty damn sleep deprieved. This is probably the closest I will come to posting while impared.

[Magnito]

On the other hand, if you don't sign up, you can't play.
And to some people, I say good riddance.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Well, I'll just announce it here...seeing folks - especially those who have become repeat-offenders - who aren't participating, I've decided to start striking their names from my sign-up list (I know...big threat as the game's so slow starting but bear with me).

Think of it as the "warning shot" that Mags would like to give. :)

[MrFurious87]

I couldn't agree more.:) I know once I had forgotten about Truffle's Vanilla game, but once I was reminded, I joined at once.

[DarqFeonix]

I have a question... are the Mafia games on the the HCRealms considered more Power-Happy than other mafia games? I've noticed - aside from Vanilla games - most games have given a power to nearly every player. Say 30 players to start, 25 players have a night ability. So for a given 24 hour period, you're expecting nearly 100% of the players to get their actions in. I'm not saying it's unreasonable for the mod to expect those people to want to play, but I would think aside from randomizing a Serial Killer hit, the 24-hour rule should probably hold as a non-action.

Now, after 2 or 3 days and no word... yeah, I'd be pissed

[Reibello]

On this general vibe, why do people who know nothing about the subject matter sign up for games they won't know anything about?

God forbid I want to learn. Or play a game with the rest of you. Or have fun, or help a mod out who needs another player.

[anonym0use]

I've signed up for games I don't know about as a favor to the mod.

I'm also compiling a blacklist of players who shall not be invited any longer. I think a good solution might be to keep games smaller and tight knit - the more exclusive & harder to get into they are, the more the players will feel like participating.

[krusticlese]

One can only hope that it becomes a growing trend and these mafia games can dissapear completely from HCRealms.

Waste of bandwidth, I say.

:a-sharpshooter::bolt::m-wing:

[darius_dax1]

:rolleyes: Seriously...just don't ay attention to it.

Anyway...

As a player I can say that regardless if I were mafia or town and had to rely on one of these 'slackers' to protect our group or gather information (or whatever) I would be angry. What you might want to do is let them sign up but give them powerless roles.

[Thawmus]

On this general vibe, why do people who know nothing about the subject matter sign up for games they won't know anything about?

Because the mod asks them to, or the mod expects more than 25 sign-ups.

I don't mean any offense to the mods who like to run big games, but the 40+ player games are really asking for it. From the time Peers introduced HCR to mafia, I don't think we've EVER had 40+ active players in a game. Those games last forever, anyways, meaning your players' ability to participate is assaulted over a long period of time by real life events. Furthermore, those that usually mod these large games, wait until they hit 40, practically inviting nonchalant players to sign up.

I've actually had quite a bit of fun in games I don't know the subject matter in, however. And I would even argue that those games are the ones I was most successful in. Buffy, Harry Potter, Kids Show, the list goes on.

I have a question... are the Mafia games on the the HCRealms considered more Power-Happy than other mafia games?

Yes, they are. I have a couple of rants and ideas that go over this in...some thread...don't even remember where anymore. Basically, they gave birth to my Vanilla games.

The reason there are so many roles is due to two reasons:

1. People here are spoiled- they're bored if they get vanilla roles, because every game they've played so far has given them some uber-powerful role. They complain to the mod, and don't participate. And a lot of people don't know what to do during the day phase if they don't have any investigative power at all.

2. We run thematic games almost exclusively here. You don't really see that on other mafia forums. But when someone DOES run a theme game on other mafia forums, it isn't much different. They usually have a lot of powers handed out, too.

I've noticed - aside from Vanilla games - most games have given a power to nearly every player. Say 30 players to start, 25 players have a night ability. So for a given 24 hour period, you're expecting nearly 100% of the players to get their actions in. I'm not saying it's unreasonable for the mod to expect those people to want to play, but I would think aside from randomizing a Serial Killer hit, the 24-hour rule should probably hold as a non-action.

Now, after 2 or 3 days and no word... yeah, I'd be pissed

And this is, again, where I will say I don't mean to offend the mods that make games for 40+ people, but there's a price for making a game that big.
For one, we have NEVER had a game of 40+ people where everyone was active (Hell, we can't even get a game of 25 active people). For two, those games last foreeeeever. By the time the game is halfway over with (especially in the summer months), you might have lost 1/4 of your players due to random real-life events/vacations/funerals, what have you.

I have had it up to here with inactive players. Every single game, these people sign up and don't play and I can't take it anymore. It ruins games. Besides that, why even sign up if you don't intend to do anything.

Signing up for a game is like signing a contract that you will:
a) participate in the game thread and
b) PM actions in a timely manor

If you don't intend on doing this, do not sign up. It is that simple. On top of that, when you sign up, know that there is a possibility that you will be mafia, and that does not mean you get to slack off.

I am very close to creating a blacklist of players I will no longer allow in my games because of this. Seriously everyone, play the game, or leave it to those that will.

I know Sstral has already created a blacklist, and I will be doing so as well. There's a few people signed up for DBZ that don't think they're going to get a PM from me about participation before the game starts, and they're dead wrong. I have a reserve list for a reason. ;)



However, on a completely non-quoted note: what ever happened to creating a game-starting schedule? That was such a good idea when someone posed it a year ago, and nothing ever came of it. If you guys really want to help out the participation factor, quit running two or three games at a time by your lonesome, and letting everyone who's anyone run a game, regardless if there's 15 waiting in the wings, and 10 active.

For one, you're going to burn out the very players you're trying to keep active. For two, this SUCKS for mods who are worried about the participation in their own games, including their OWN participation.

Right now, I have NO idea when ANY of my games are starting. That's absolutely ridiculous, folks. And as a result, I'm looking at starting my game in August, maybe even SEPTEMBER, and taking another hiatus, just so I can ensure I'll be available, because nobody can list a start date. That's utterly infuriating for me, and I can't imagine what that's like for a player looking forward to the game.

Over the last month, every game that has started, has done so without any warning whatsoever, and no start date. It's been a complete surprise every time. I don't know if mods are doing this because they think it's funny, or because they think it makes the game suspenseful. Whatever the reason is, it's ANNOYING and INCONSIDERATE. And, again, it sure as hell doesn't help our participation any. Not that we don't have ENOUGH factors hampering THAT.


Alright, off my soap box. We'll try and stay off it the rest of the day.... :nervous:

[KitsuShel]

One can only hope that it becomes a growing trend and these mafia games can dissapear completely from HCRealms.

Waste of bandwidth, I say.

:a-sharpshooter::bolt::m-wing:

Wow, that was rude and trollish, if you weren't joking of course.

If you don't like the mafia games, ignore them. I don't play Guitar Hero or care for much of the comic books stuff, but I wouldn't go around saying that they're a "waste of bandwidth".

[Magnito]

:rolleyes: Seriously...just don't ay attention to it.

Anyway...

As a player I can say that regardless if I were mafia or town and had to rely on one of these 'slackers' to protect our group or gather information (or whatever) I would be angry. What you might want to do is let them sign up but give them powerless roles.
No, because that doesn't really solve anything. They are still signing up and not participating.

[Thawmus]

No, because that doesn't really solve anything. They are still signing up and not participating.

I agree. Vanilla roles still have a vote, and they still get to discuss things during the day phase. If they don't participate, the Mafia has a leg up.

[malakim2099]

Wow, that was rude and trollish, if you weren't joking of course.

If you don't like the mafia games, ignore them. I don't play Guitar Hero or care for much of the comic books stuff, but I wouldn't go around saying that they're a "waste of bandwidth".


Well, that's why I ignore him... :cheeky:

Though I am thinking of taking Order of the Stick and chopping it into a two-part game, making it smaller. Wouldn't be that difficult, really.

[darius_dax1]

Wow, that was rude and trollish, if you weren't joking of course.

If you don't like the mafia games, ignore them. I don't play Guitar Hero or care for much of the comic books stuff, but I wouldn't go around saying that they're a "waste of bandwidth".


I don't think he was kidding.

[darius_dax1]

No, because that doesn't really solve anything. They are still signing up and not participating.

I know it doesn't help with the vote but it at least gives these players a chance to play in a game w/o becoming a major hindrance to the other players. It really sucks when it is a person with a key power...or any power for that matter.

[Thawmus]

I don't think he was kidding.

Wow. Well the ignore list gets longer, then.... :laugh:

[KitsuShel]

I don't think he was kidding.

I was trying to give him benefit of the doubt, but I'm the side of the fence of agreeing with you. Coming into a game forum, where you don't "get" the game nor really care to try and then call it a "waste of bandwidth" is the definition of trolling. I mean, whats the point?

[darius_dax1]

I was trying to give him benefit of the doubt, but I'm the side of the fence of agreeing with you. Coming into a game forum, where you don't "get" the game nor really care to try and then call it a "waste of bandwidth" is the definition of trolling. I mean, whats the point?

Well, there are historical trolls roaming around here...and I don't mean experts in history.

I find his signature to be very ironic:
To fully enjoy the HCRealms forum experience;

Step 1- Place StormX on ignore
Step 2- Enjoy Troll-Free discussions!
Step 3- Do Not Feed The Troll

[DarqFeonix]

And this is, again, where I will say I don't mean to offend the mods that make games for 40+ people, but there's a price for making a game that big.
For one, we have NEVER had a game of 40+ people where everyone was active (Hell, we can't even get a game of 25 active people). For two, those games last foreeeeever.

This, along with all the other discussion, has helped in me putting together my first game... was having fun yesterday, and put together like 45 different roles, but I should've realized that was overkill, especially for a first game... time to do some cutting...

[malakim2099]

This, along with all the other discussion, has helped in me putting together my first game... was having fun yesterday, and put together like 45 different roles, but I should've realized that was overkill, especially for a first game... time to do some cutting...

Yeah, I trimmed OOTS down to about 25-30 or so. And focused on a specific timeframe.

Though some of the roles are going to be... a little weird. :)

[Shadow40]

Wow, that was rude and trollish, if you weren't joking of course.

If you don't like the mafia games, ignore them. I don't play Guitar Hero or care for much of the comic books stuff, but I wouldn't go around saying that they're a "waste of bandwidth".


That is not the first time he has bashed the mafia games on hcrelams.

[sstralkowski]

I have a question... are the Mafia games on the the HCRealms considered more Power-Happy than other mafia games? I've noticed - aside from Vanilla games - most games have given a power to nearly every player. Say 30 players to start, 25 players have a night ability. So for a given 24 hour period, you're expecting nearly 100% of the players to get their actions in. I'm not saying it's unreasonable for the mod to expect those people to want to play, but I would think aside from randomizing a Serial Killer hit, the 24-hour rule should probably hold as a non-action.

Now, after 2 or 3 days and no word... yeah, I'd be pissed

The problem tends to arise when the player posts very infrequently at all, misses night actions after countless reminders, and then doesn't even show any remorse whatsoever. If a player misses an action, it even happens to me, and they show remorse and then make an effort to not let it happen again, I'm cool with that. It's these repeat offenders who ruin games.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. As harsh as it may seem, I think there should be a list of black-listed players who don't participate. When you post their name, give extensive reasoning as why you've placed them there. That way, each mod can decide on an individual basis whether to agree or disagree. The reality is that I can't follow who's in every game and who's not participating so I only know those in my games. I wish there was a resource where I could look to prevent myself the heartache.

[sstralkowski]

One can only hope that it becomes a growing trend and these mafia games can dissapear completely from HCRealms.

Waste of bandwidth, I say.

:a-sharpshooter::bolt::m-wing:

And this post wasn't?

[sstralkowski]

...snip.... :nervous:

Dude, it's really creepy how much our views coincide.

I can't rep you again so soon. Realms needs a recharge or something.

[DocDoom187]

Well, I can't speak for everyone but in my case it's frequently meant as a gesture of support to the mod.

It's also a case of, we've become a community of sorts and even if I don't know a lot about the topic - though I figure I can research as we go along - I still want to "hang out and enjoy a game with my buddies".

That, and a severe case of mafia addiction. :p

[CarlosMucha]

On this general vibe, why do people who know nothing about the subject matter sign up for games they won't know anything about?

I try to give EVERYTHING in the role when I make a role.

And for everything I don't mean just who the character is, also what he feels and his motivations, in that way the player can get into the skin of the character and really play him like a actor can do.

Motivations and objetives are important. and when a player is not interested in play a game I usually blame ME! :p because maybe I fail in point the right key element of the character in the role or his power or in the story.

But so far, I had have a great time and almost everybody was GREAT!

But I do have a "black list". :p

In that list is:

D.....
F.....

and I take out of the list to 2 people. :p

[Reibello]

Yeah, he starts shaking if he doesn't play enough. That, and he accusses people IRL of being mafia. :p

[CarlosMucha]

I have a question... are the Mafia games on the the HCRealms considered more Power-Happy than other mafia games? I've noticed - aside from Vanilla games - most games have given a power to nearly every player. Say 30 players to start, 25 players have a night ability. So for a given 24 hour period, you're expecting nearly 100% of the players to get their actions in. I'm not saying it's unreasonable for the mod to expect those people to want to play, but I would think aside from randomizing a Serial Killer hit, the 24-hour rule should probably hold as a non-action.

Now, after 2 or 3 days and no word... yeah, I'd be pissed


I dislike so much random actions. If I can NONE action will be random in my games.

[malakim2099]

That, and a severe case of mafia addiction. :p

You signed up for my effort before he did.

Just want that noted for the record. ;)

[DocDoom187]

I mean, whats the point?
To piss people off because of your lack of capability to play the game in question...

(By your I mean the offender in question, not literally you or me)

[CarlosMucha]

Because the mod asks them to, or the mod expects more than 25 sign-ups.

I don't mean any offense to the mods who like to run big games, but the 40+ player games are really asking for it. From the time Peers introduced HCR to mafia, I don't think we've EVER had 40+ active players in a game. Those games last forever, anyways, meaning your players' ability to participate is assaulted over a long period of time by real life events. Furthermore, those that usually mod these large games, wait until they hit 40, practically inviting nonchalant players to sign up.

I've actually had quite a bit of fun in games I don't know the subject matter in, however. And I would even argue that those games are the ones I was most successful in. Buffy, Harry Potter, Kids Show, the list goes on.



Yes, they are. I have a couple of rants and ideas that go over this in...some thread...don't even remember where anymore. Basically, they gave birth to my Vanilla games.

The reason there are so many roles is due to two reasons:

1. People here are spoiled- they're bored if they get vanilla roles, because every game they've played so far has given them some uber-powerful role. They complain to the mod, and don't participate. And a lot of people don't know what to do during the day phase if they don't have any investigative power at all.

2. We run thematic games almost exclusively here. You don't really see that on other mafia forums. But when someone DOES run a theme game on other mafia forums, it isn't much different. They usually have a lot of powers handed out, too.



And this is, again, where I will say I don't mean to offend the mods that make games for 40+ people, but there's a price for making a game that big.
For one, we have NEVER had a game of 40+ people where everyone was active (Hell, we can't even get a game of 25 active people). For two, those games last foreeeeever. By the time the game is halfway over with (especially in the summer months), you might have lost 1/4 of your players due to random real-life events/vacations/funerals, what have you.



I know Sstral has already created a blacklist, and I will be doing so as well. There's a few people signed up for DBZ that don't think they're going to get a PM from me about participation before the game starts, and they're dead wrong. I have a reserve list for a reason. ;)



However, on a completely non-quoted note: what ever happened to creating a game-starting schedule? That was such a good idea when someone posed it a year ago, and nothing ever came of it. If you guys really want to help out the participation factor, quit running two or three games at a time by your lonesome, and letting everyone who's anyone run a game, regardless if there's 15 waiting in the wings, and 10 active.

For one, you're going to burn out the very players you're trying to keep active. For two, this SUCKS for mods who are worried about the participation in their own games, including their OWN participation.

Right now, I have NO idea when ANY of my games are starting. That's absolutely ridiculous, folks. And as a result, I'm looking at starting my game in August, maybe even SEPTEMBER, and taking another hiatus, just so I can ensure I'll be available, because nobody can list a start date. That's utterly infuriating for me, and I can't imagine what that's like for a player looking forward to the game.

Over the last month, every game that has started, has done so without any warning whatsoever, and no start date. It's been a complete surprise every time. I don't know if mods are doing this because they think it's funny, or because they think it makes the game suspenseful. Whatever the reason is, it's ANNOYING and INCONSIDERATE. And, again, it sure as hell doesn't help our participation any. Not that we don't have ENOUGH factors hampering THAT.


Alright, off my soap box. We'll try and stay off it the rest of the day.... :nervous:

I DO need 40 players for my current game. :nervous:

I don't think my game will be good if I don't have those 40 players. :disappoin

[Reibello]

Carlos, I have the utmost faith that you can keep 40 players interested in the 100 movies game.

[michiganj24]

You mean you dont think those guys walking around town talking about claiming to ba a janitor wasnt in the mafia. Oh #### I need tooo.....too late the piano already fell on him. Night all
Yeah, he starts shaking if he doesn't play enough. That, and he accusses people IRL of being mafia. :p

[CarlosMucha]

Carlos, I have the utmost faith that you can keep 40 players interested in the 100 movies game.

thank you! I will do my best!

I'm just worried because some of the players signing up are new. but my worst fear is not not participation, my worst fear if a player ruining the game (double acounts, or tell who are the mafia if is friend with other player, etc).

[CarlosMucha]

Update my black list:

D.....
F.....
S.....


Out to the list and waiting to see if he sign up for my game:

S....

:p

[sstralkowski]

Update my black list:

D.....
F.....
S.....


Out to the list and waiting to see if he sign up for my game:

S....

:p


I think I'm the S....

I played in 3 of your games. First one, I got killed night 1. Second, I was really lost and barely participated aside form sending night actions. Third, I had myself replaced due to my move. My performance in your games has been pitiful.

[Shadow40]

I think I'm the S....

I played in 3 of your games. First one, I got killed night 1. Second, I was really lost and barely participated aside form sending night actions. Third, I had myself replaced due to my move. My performance in your games has been pitiful.

Actually S... was me. Because of the problems I had a couple of months ago. We got it cleared up though.

[Jackofhearts2005]

One can only hope that it becomes a growing trend and these mafia games can dissapear completely from HCRealms.

Waste of bandwidth, I say.

:a-sharpshooter::bolt::m-wing:

You know for a guy with a sig that says Do not feed the trolls...

Ack! Beaten to it.

Honestly, if so many of us have personal blacklists, why don't we compile them? Have a list at the top of one of the pages of players who do not participate with the understanding that a pm assurance that they will participate (they won't pm 8 people to let them into a game) or only letting them play in a certain number of games at once required for them to sign up for any games.

[Reibello]

Also Carlos, I share your sentiments on the 40 player thing. I have 42 roles for The Subspace Emmisary (Sequel to Smash Bros Brawl) written out, and I don't want to cut any of them.

[michiganj24]

Subspace Emissary??? Is that an actual video game sequel or is that just the name of your game
Also Carlos, I share your sentiments on the 40 player thing. I have 42 roles for The Subspace Emmisary (Sequel to Smash Bros Brawl) written out, and I don't want to cut any of them.

[Rokk_Krinn]

That, and he accusses people IRL of being mafia. :p

I'm Italian-American; Mafia jokes don't get made RL around here. :)

[Reibello]

It's the single player mode in Brawl. At the end of the Brawl game someone mentioned it, so I figured I'd write roles for it (I only played it 3 times) and if someone else wants to run it before I get the chance, they can have the roles.

[Reibello]

Rock the Italian-American. We still make mafia jokes though. Especially when my friend's Grandpa sent him a brand new car for graduation on the pre-text that he ask no questions about it.

[sstralkowski]

You know for a guy with a sig that says Do not feed the trolls...

Ack! Beaten to it.

Honestly, if so many of us have personal blacklists, why don't we compile them? Have a list at the top of one of the pages of players who do not participate with the understanding that a pm assurance that they will participate (they won't pm 8 people to let them into a game) or only letting them play in a certain number of games at once required for them to sign up for any games.


I'm in total agreement.

[Thawmus]

Also Carlos, I share your sentiments on the 40 player thing. I have 42 roles for The Subspace Emmisary (Sequel to Smash Bros Brawl) written out, and I don't want to cut any of them.

As I told Carlos, however, it's pretty easy with most themes to break that down into two games, or even three.

The example I gave at the time was DBZ. There's about 120, 130 roles I could come up with. And I really want all of them in my games.

That's why I'm running a series, including all the sagas, then maybe an Otherworld game, and then maybe a DBZ Movies game (which will be ridiculous), and I've got a Dragonball game I'm half-done with the roles for already, that'll come right after this first DBZ game.

Too many roles? Make a series. You'll have more participation, and less roles are going to get stomped on. Furthermore, you give room for fake roleclaims, and you can keep regurgitating your favorites, giving them more of an opportunity to shine. :)

[CarlosMucha]

I think I'm the S....

I played in 3 of your games. First one, I got killed night 1. Second, I was really lost and barely participated aside form sending night actions. Third, I had myself replaced due to my move. My performance in your games has been pitiful.

Shadow and you are right! :laugh:

You are the one who are still in my black list. VERY bad.

Specially bad from you who should understend what a Mod feels when somebody fail you. :p

and Shadow is the one who is out of the black list! He will be playing in my new game!

[CarlosMucha]

Also Carlos, I share your sentiments on the 40 player thing. I have 42 roles for The Subspace Emmisary (Sequel to Smash Bros Brawl) written out, and I don't want to cut any of them.

when I first have my list it was like 56! :p I down to 45, and after that 41. I thought it was impossible to be less than that. but building evything I notice that one character don't have the potential to be unique and don't was funny either so in the end I taked out to have the nice 40 number.

:)

[Reibello]

As I told Carlos, however, it's pretty easy with most themes to break that down into two games, or even three.

The example I gave at the time was DBZ. There's about 120, 130 roles I could come up with. And I really want all of them in my games.

That's why I'm running a series, including all the sagas, then maybe an Otherworld game, and then maybe a DBZ Movies game (which will be ridiculous), and I've got a Dragonball game I'm half-done with the roles for already, that'll come right after this first DBZ game.

Too many roles? Make a series. You'll have more participation, and less roles are going to get stomped on. Furthermore, you give room for fake roleclaims, and you can keep regurgitating your favorites, giving them more of an opportunity to shine. :)

Yeah, the only problem with splitting up this is that if I did it thematically, I'd have one mafia per session. I think I might just cut some characters I don't personally care for.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Re: Game starting schedule- excellent idea. I'll go post there, but Silver Age Green Lantern will start the last week of August, post-vacation for me.

[CarlosMucha]

As I told Carlos, however, it's pretty easy with most themes to break that down into two games, or even three.

The example I gave at the time was DBZ. There's about 120, 130 roles I could come up with. And I really want all of them in my games.

That's why I'm running a series, including all the sagas, then maybe an Otherworld game, and then maybe a DBZ Movies game (which will be ridiculous), and I've got a Dragonball game I'm half-done with the roles for already, that'll come right after this first DBZ game.

Too many roles? Make a series. You'll have more participation, and less roles are going to get stomped on. Furthermore, you give room for fake roleclaims, and you can keep regurgitating your favorites, giving them more of an opportunity to shine. :)

I try it. But didt'n work in my mind.

The thing is that I'm curious and I NEED to see HOW ALL the characters will interact because some characters need others characters to shine in the right way and with 25 characters there is not room to tell a story without ruin so surprises and the game.

So in the end I see that is was impossible for me make this game without 40 players.

[sstralkowski]

Shadow and you are right! :laugh:

You are the one who are still in my black list. VERY bad.

Specially bad from you who should understend what a Mod feels when somebody fail you. :p

and Shadow is the one who is out of the black list! He will be playing in my new game!

Glad there's no hard feelings.

[Reibello]

Vote sstralkowski he has a post restriction!

[sstralkowski]

As I told Carlos, however, it's pretty easy with most themes to break that down into two games, or even three.

The example I gave at the time was DBZ. There's about 120, 130 roles I could come up with. And I really want all of them in my games.

That's why I'm running a series, including all the sagas, then maybe an Otherworld game, and then maybe a DBZ Movies game (which will be ridiculous), and I've got a Dragonball game I'm half-done with the roles for already, that'll come right after this first DBZ game.

Too many roles? Make a series. You'll have more participation, and less roles are going to get stomped on. Furthermore, you give room for fake roleclaims, and you can keep regurgitating your favorites, giving them more of an opportunity to shine. :)

I actually have enjoyed the Transformers series thus far. The next game will be smaller than the others, but the idea of a sequential story interests me.

[sstralkowski]

Vote sstralkowski he has a post restriction!

:laugh: Teal is the universal color of sarcasm.

[CarlosMucha]

Glad there's no hard feelings.

I'm sorry. :nervous:

There is a part of me that can NEVER forgive!

and I lost nice ladies because of that. :( but I can't help it. :disappoin :p

[Shadow40]

Alright, just so people know why I was on Carlos #### list. A couple months ago when horror movie mafia, shaun of the dead, etc was running my sister had surgery. I was with her most of the time and took care of her at home. I pretty much got all my night actions in, in all the games I was in. I just had a hell of a time to try and find time to post. Truffle, Biz (mod), sstralkowski (mod), and a few others may remember this. I did ask to be replaced in all my games I was in. I just don't want to end up on a black list somewhere. When I have a good history of getting my pms in on time when I have night powers.

[malakim2099]

Well, if we're talking scheduling... I'm going to run Order of the Stick : Dungeons of Dorukan the week after GenCon ends. :)

[Ignatz_Mouse]

If we post a blacklist, can we also complie the circumstances for them being listed?

I ask because it would be good to see if it was a one-time thing (or worse) and because I'd hate to see a played get branded and left out of *all* games becuase he went AWOL once.

My last game had excellent participation, btw-- other than some during-game grousing by the dead (who are all on warning status if they sign up for my next game) I had no complaints.

[Reibello]

Duly noted sstral.

[Magnito]

Also Carlos, I share your sentiments on the 40 player thing. I have 42 roles for The Subspace Emmisary (Sequel to Smash Bros Brawl) written out, and I don't want to cut any of them.
You have to. I know you want to use every character (believe me, I did too), but you can't. You have to leave room for role claims. If every character is in the game, the mafia stands no chance because in the end game, it will be way too obvious who they are because all "good" characters have claimed already. You need to leave them wiggle room to make it fair.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

For the record, if people get their PMs in on time and opt not to post much, I hav eno issue with that. it can make for a dead-ish game, but that's for the players to deal with, via voting, IMHO. No posts is bad, but light, occasional posting is a strategy.

[CarlosMucha]

Alright, just so people know why I was on Carlos #### list. A couple months ago when horror movie mafia, shaun of the dead, etc was running my sister had surgery. I was with her most of the time and took care of her at home. I pretty much got all my night actions in, in all the games I was in. I just had a hell of a time to try and find time to post. Truffle, Biz (mod), sstralkowski (mod), and a few others may remember this. I did ask to be replaced in all my games I was in. I just don't want to end up on a black list somewhere. When I have a good history of getting my pms in on time when I have night powers.

yes, and I didt'n know about this when he was in my list. sorry about that.

[CarlosMucha]

If we post a blacklist, can we also complie the circumstances for them being listed?

I ask because it would be good to see if it was a one-time thing (or worse) and because I'd hate to see a played get branded and left out of *all* games becuase he went AWOL once.

My last game had excellent participation, btw-- other than some during-game grousing by the dead (who are all on warning status if they sign up for my next game) I had no complaints.

I agree. and will be nice to have a black list because in that way if somebody see himself in that list they can begin to play in a better way before to be absolute banned from every game.

[Rokk_Krinn]

I admit that I've got a huge game with Secret Wars but, well, for reasons that won't be revealed yet...false roleclaims aren't as big a deal as normal.

[Reibello]

You have to. I know you want to use every character (believe me, I did too), but you can't. You have to leave room for role claims. If every character is in the game, the mafia stands no chance because in the end game, it will be way too obvious who they are because all "good" characters have claimed already. You need to leave them wiggle room to make it fair.

I know I haveto cut them, my issue is I like a lot of the characters that I should cut. I should cut my favorite character, but I don't want to. I've actually cut 9 already, which puts me closer to do-able

[JacinB]

From the player's perspective, though, it's equally frustrating to get your actions in timely and have a mod who doesn't open the thread for days on end, or who puts the thread on an unannounced hiatus.

I've been in a game that recently went on a 10-day break while the mod was on vacation.

I'm in another game currently where the moderator doesn't seem to really care when (or if) he opens the thread, but still complains about people not getting their PMs in timely. I guess I'm of the school of thought that, if I can't count on the mod to hold to his own stated time limits, I'm not going to care nearly so much about sticking to them either.

You say the day phase will end in 24 hours and it doesn't end for three days? You say the night phase will end in 24 hours and it lasts more than a week (without explanation)? Sorry if I can't bother to care whether or not I get my PM in within 24 hours on the following night.

You're running the game, so run the frickin' game.

Likewise, I'll sometimes sign up for games that look interesting when I'm between games -- Mag's TV game being one of them -- expecting that they'll open up within a week or so. Then, sometimes a month will go by and I'll have a cluster of games open together that I signed up for weeks apart. I'll pay the most attention to the game I care most about, or in which I'm most familiar with my character.

Sorry that I couldn't have predicted that four or five people would hold off opening games and have them all open within a few days of each other -- or that other moderators would have games that I'm in that are still running, despite the fact that they should've ended weeks ago had the timelines been held to or hadn't unannounced vacations gotten in the way.

What I'm saying is: It's a two-way street.

As players, we do the best we can to 'be there' for every game we sign up for. However, there are things that come up that'll affect our involvement. If you don't get a PM from us, quit holding up the game and play on. If it's an essential role, randomize it. If it's a non-essential role, just go on without it. It's not that hard.

Just sayin'.

[Magnito]

The problem with a public blacklist is that no matter how we do it, it is going to cause some very hurt feelings. There is no nice way to say it.

[Magnito]

Likewise, I'll sometimes sign up for games that look interesting when I'm between games -- Mag's TV game being one of them -- expecting that they'll open up within a week or so. Then, sometimes a month will go by and I'll have a cluster of games open together that I signed up for weeks apart.
I hope your not talking about my game, because I did no such thing. I said my game would open once All Stars finished, and it did.

[Shadow40]

yes, and I didt'n know about this when he was in my list. sorry about that.

It was not your fault. I think the day I started sending out pms requesting to be replaced I died in your game. :laugh: I should have sent a pm saying what my troubles were after I died. But if I remember right I did post in a couple of places what my troubles were before I quit all my games and mafia games for a good month or two.

I just did not know at the time I would have so much trouble getting on to post. Well, I'll mark it down as a lesson learned.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

Hey Jacin, when are you going to run a game?

Excellent points by the way-- still wondering if DCAU will ever reopen, or if it's just plain dead. Assuming dead, but I do sometimes hope it will reopen.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

The problem with a public blacklist is that no matter how we do it, it is going to cause some very hurt feelings. There is no nice way to say it.

All the more reason to have reasons clearly stated: "player missed night actions repeatedly, player was mafia and did not particpate on thread *or* on mafia board" etc.

[Magnito]

Hey Jacin, when are you going to run a game?

Excellent points by the way-- still wondering if DCAU will ever reopen, or if it's just plain dead. Assuming dead, but I do sometimes hope it will reopen.
I think that one can rest with Emperor Joker and Dragon Ball Z I in the land of unfinished mafia games. (and wasn't there a New X-Men game a while back that never finished...)

[sstralkowski]

I'm sorry. :nervous:

There is a part of me that can NEVER forgive!

and I lost nice ladies because of that. :( but I can't help it. :disappoin :p

If anything good came of it, it is that I learned how to say no. I used to feel guilty if I declined a request. All 3 of your games, you requested that I play. All 3 of them made me feel like garbage for not giving them my all. Since then, if I am asked to play in a game that I can't due to too many other things or don't want to because of lack of knowledge of the source, I politely explain it as such. It's also taught me not to get upset if one of my requests is denied.

If you're carrying some deep seeded hatred for me because of it, then I'm sorry. I can't change the past. All I can do is learn from it and not repeat it.

[sstralkowski]

Alright, just so people know why I was on Carlos #### list. A couple months ago when horror movie mafia, shaun of the dead, etc was running my sister had surgery. I was with her most of the time and took care of her at home. I pretty much got all my night actions in, in all the games I was in. I just had a hell of a time to try and find time to post. Truffle, Biz (mod), sstralkowski (mod), and a few others may remember this. I did ask to be replaced in all my games I was in. I just don't want to end up on a black list somewhere. When I have a good history of getting my pms in on time when I have night powers.

You're certainly not on my black list for that. I thought you handled the entire situation very maturely and were quite considerate in asking to be replaced.

[DocDoom187]

Update my black list:

D.....
F.....
S.....


Out to the list and waiting to see if he sign up for my game:

S....

:p

The D is so me, but it has nothing to do with not participating or anything mafia related for that matter. Just so others know, I DO participate.

[sstralkowski]

If we post a blacklist, can we also complie the circumstances for them being listed?

I ask because it would be good to see if it was a one-time thing (or worse) and because I'd hate to see a played get branded and left out of *all* games becuase he went AWOL once.


Se post #28 for the reasoning behind each listing. I think I'm a prime example. I haven't heard anyone but Carlos (who has reason to) complain about my participation. Often the players are the ones complaining. :laugh:

[Jackofhearts2005]

The problem with a public blacklist is that no matter how we do it, it is going to cause some very hurt feelings. There is no nice way to say it.

Seriously. I've been trying for like 10 min to reword a thread about it.

Even calling it a greylist and explaining to be civil and explaining that all you have to do to be taken off is to pm the mod and explain why you were previously inactive or that you promise won't be inactive again and maybe play through a game without going inactive, it still seems like such a jerky thing to do.

And I don't necessarily feel comfortable calling people out on it. Like I can say right here that I won't be letting Biz play in any of my games if he doesn't assure me he's going to play. Biz is my friend but as a mafia player, he very much pissed me off in Spider-Girl by not playing (along with like six other people but Biz is the nicest of them). I'm comfortable whining about it here but do I really want to post a thread with his name on it encouraging other people not to let him play in their games? Not at all.



And I agree with Jacinb and Thawmus' thoughts that as Mods we need to be more responsible. Let people know when a game thread is going to be closed for an extended amount of time. PM Shel and ask her pretty please to close your thread at a certain time if you're going to be away during the day for several days. Let people know in the first post of your sign up thread when it will open.

[CarlosMucha]

It's all kinda ok.

[malakim2099]

Hey Jacin, when are you going to run a game?


And more to the point, if I sign up for it, will I get modkilled on the first page? :p

[Shadow40]

How about if we have a three tier system. A mod complains the player gets put on the bottom rung like this. I'm going to use generic names.

Red (worst rating)
Suzie

Orange (bad)
George

Yellow (warning)
Mike

Each time they are warned they go up a warning level. But if they get good reports they can go down a level and maybe be removed off the list. The thing is if they reach the Red zone like 3 times, well then 3 strike your out. I'm just playing around here trying to come up with a good system.

[sstralkowski]

What I'm saying is: It's a two-way street.

As players, we do the best we can to 'be there' for every game we sign up for. However, there are things that come up that'll affect our involvement. If you don't get a PM from us, quit holding up the game and play on. If it's an essential role, randomize it. If it's a non-essential role, just go on without it. It's not that hard.

Just sayin'.

I agree with everything but this last part. Totally a two-way street. That's why you have the option to not sign up for games by certain mods. I've been in your shoes as well when games whose sign-up thread went up months ago just started out of no where and so did the one who said they were waiting an extra week. It happens. Tough to schedule that stuff, but it doesn't make it suck any less. I typically handle it the same way you do.

The part I really disagree with is that you aren't one of the non-participators. People who do what you do aren't the chronic problems. I can tell you from experience that game balance is VERY difficult to achieve. Even the best balanced game can go to carp when it hits the boards. If I wanted 10% of the players to be silent automatons that I just randomized each night, I'd figure out a new mechanic for the game to include that. Look at Transformers. I replaced 4 players and more would have been replaced if not for some lucky targetting for me. That's pitiful.

[michiganj24]

Yep New Xmen has dissapeared as has Food mafia (i so lotant Massacre is on the brink it seems)
I think that one can rest with Emperor Joker and Dragon Ball Z I in the land of unfinished mafia games. (and wasn't there a New X-Men game a while back that never finished...)

[CarlosMucha]

OR we can have a list of ALL the players who had play or are playing in games.

In that way Mods can see what players he can invite for a game.

also we can have a list of best "quality" players, then a Mod can be careful to not invite to the "less" quality players for a game.


Edit: but again this can hurt feelings, don't know really.

[DocDoom187]

OR we can have a list of ALL "regular" players.

In that way somebody can see what players a Mod can invite for a game.

also we can have a list of best "quality" players, then a Mod will be careful to not invite to the "less" quality player.

Don't you think that will still offend those who aren't on the list though?

[JacinB]

I hope your not talking about my game, because I did no such thing. I said my game would open once All Stars finished, and it did.
No, I wasn't talking about yours in particular.

I was talking about the three or four others that I'd signed up for in the weeks before signing up for yours that finally opened then, too. Unfortunately, that meant that I wound up giving your game short shrift because I knew less about that character than I did in the other games ...

ABF's Arkham game is the example most in my mind right now (which you're in, so I'm sure you can probably relate) ...

It 'closed' without actually closing for Night Phase last Thursday. We were told we had 10 players left and 24 hours to get our actions in. Yesterday, 98 hours after it closed and 74 hours after it should've re-opened, ABF posted that he was still waiting on PMs. I re-sent mine just to be sure I wasn't one of them he was waiting on.

We're now more than 100 hours after when it should've re-opened.

The previous Day phase ran 26 hours, which isn't bad, but the Night Phase that preceded it lasted from June 28th to July 3rd -- almost 142 hours total -- and that was after a 'Get your PMs in, or else' threat just FIVE hours into the Night Phase.

I've had two other games that I've gotten heavily involved in during that timespan. So, ABF will have to forgive me if I can't really care about getting my PMs in since I have no clue when he'll actually be opening the thread back up.

And, since he leaves the thread open during the night phases, new posts to it 'cry wolf' that the thread is actually open for Day phase again and I don't even really care if I check it when people post anymore.

But, because of that one game dragging on and on and on, I'm forced to split my attention between it and the other games I'm in -- DS9, your TV game, Deadwood, and Realms Mafia III being just a few. I can't give those games -- the games that are actually running -- as much attention as I'd like because I've got one game that isn't being handled well.

See what I mean?

Ignatz and I both remarked at some point that there are games where we actually try to get ourselves killed, or are relieved when we die, because of the mish-mash of games that refuse to end or having a bunch open at once despite signing up for them at vastly different times.

And, I'm sure we're not the only two people dealing with that frustration.

In some ways, I think we'd have better games if we had less games.

[Jackofhearts2005]

How about if we have a three tier system. A mod complains the player gets put on the bottom rung like this. I'm going to use generic names.

Red (worst rating)
Suzie

Orange (bad)
George

Yellow (warning)
Mike

Each time they are warned they go up a warning level. But if they get good reports they can go down a level and maybe be removed off the list. The thing is if they reach the Red zone like 3 times, well then 3 strike your out. I'm just playing around here trying to come up with a good system.

Perhaps if it is a private thing, only known to a player that has been very active. Then when you start a game, you can pm that person and ask them if anybody on your player list has been an inactive player.

When somebody is inactive in one of your games, you can pm them and the keep tracker letting them know they are going to be on Yellow or whatever. And if somebody who you were told has been inactive players just fine in your game, you can pm the keep tracker to let them know.

That way it is still between the players, the mod and the keep tracker instead of having this public list that people are embarrassed and angry to be on.

[CarlosMucha]

Don't you think that will still offend those who aren't on the list though?

yea, :ermm:. I think is better have "warning points" for bad players. with the reason of the warnings, of course.

[Shadow40]

Perhaps if it is a private thing, only known to a player that has been very active. Then when you start a game, you can pm that person and ask them if anybody on your player list has been an inactive player.

When somebody is inactive in one of your games, you can pm them and the keep tracker letting them know they are going to be on Yellow or whatever. And if somebody who you were told has been inactive players just fine in your game, you can pm the keep tracker to let them know.

That way it is still between the players, the mod and the keep tracker instead of having this public list that people are embarrassed and angry to be on.

Yeah, I was trying to keep it from being to personal. Just let them know that they are on a warning level and that they can redeem themself. Like I said before, just playing around.

[JackAssterson]

I have an alternate suggestion:

We start off with everybody on the blacklist except me. People work their way off by paying me tribute in the form of land, wealth and titles. If you manage to pay me enough tribute you may play Mafia.

All for?

Aye.

All opposed?

...

...

The motion is carried.

The current HCRealms Mafia Blacklist (http://http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/memberlist.php)

[Magnito]

No, I wasn't talking about yours in particular.

I was talking about the three or four others that I'd signed up for in the weeks before signing up for yours that finally opened then, too. Unfortunately, that meant that I wound up giving your game short shrift because I knew less about that character than I did in the other games ...


Which is really unfortunate because your character was one of my personal favorites in the game. Especially with, what I consider, the most fitting posting restriction I have ever come up with. But I digress.

This isn't the first time ABF has done this. His games always start out with a bang and kind of end with a fizzle as the phases get extended and muddled.

[DocDoom187]

yea, :ermm:. I think is better have "warning points" for bad players. with the reason of the warnings, of course.

That's actually brilliant! I've got to give you props Carlos. If we could implement a warning system, no ones feelings would be hurt! Of course we'd have to start from scratch with everyone having a clean slate, but this way if people get turned down, they can turn to their warnings and see a build up and why.

I'd love to implement this.


PS:Is the D actually me? I'm not embaressed if it is.

[CarlosMucha]

That's actually brilliant! I've got to give you props Carlos. If we could implement a warning system, no ones feelings would be hurt! Of course we'd have to start from scratch with everyone having a clean slate, but this way if people get turned down, they can turn to their warnings and see a build up and why.

I'd love to implement this.


PS:Is the D actually me? I'm not embaressed if it is.


Yes.

You was the only one banned from one of my games. :nervous: (The 70's-80's TV Series)

[Jackofhearts2005]

Current blacklist:

DocDoom: 1 warning point for writing a mean (but funny) song about a moderator.

JoH: 1 warning point for telling a moderator to eat his shorts. :rolleyes:

Wait, wrong blacklist.

[DocDoom187]

Yes.

You was the only one banned from one of my games. :nervous: (The 70's-80's TV Series)

Heh, that was a specific instance. So I'm guessing no to movies. :disappoin

[michiganj24]

Did you forget JOH's 5 points for when the moderator replied no thanks. JOH ripped the shorts form the mods body and forceablly fed them to him
Current blacklist:

DocDoom: 1 warning point for writing a mean (but funny) song about a moderator.

JoH: 1 warning point for telling a moderator to eat his shorts. :rolleyes:

Wait, wrong blacklist.

[darius_dax1]

I have an alternate suggestion:

We start off with everybody on the blacklist except me. People work their way off by paying me tribute in the form of land, wealth and titles. If you manage to pay me enough tribute you may play Mafia.

All for?

Aye.

All opposed?

...

...

The motion is carried.

The current HCRealms Mafia Blacklist (http://http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/memberlist.php)

You have my life, my sword, and my allegiance sire!






















Ummm....what was this for again???

[Truffle Shuffle]

On this general vibe, why do people who know nothing about the subject matter sign up for games they won't know anything about?

Because I like the mod. Or because I was asked. Or because I just want to support the person's first game. Or because I feel bad that they've been waiting for their game to fill so I'm helping them along. Or because I want to learn about the subject matter because it looks intriguing. Big example of this is JoH's FMA game. Not only did I have a really good time in that game, but I went on to watch the entire series and loved it. Thanks JoH!

[Thawmus]

I think that one can rest with Emperor Joker and Dragon Ball Z I in the land of unfinished mafia games. (and wasn't there a New X-Men game a while back that never finished...)

Say what you will about DBZ, at least I told everyone that the game was going to be unfinished, due to time constraints. I didn't string you guys along for a month before telling you it was over.

That's the only good thing I'll say about what happened, though. Definitely a blight on my small record as a mod. :ermm:

[Thawmus]

From the player's perspective, though, it's equally frustrating to get your actions in timely and have a mod who doesn't open the thread for days on end, or who puts the thread on an unannounced hiatus.

I've been in a game that recently went on a 10-day break while the mod was on vacation.

I'm in another game currently where the moderator doesn't seem to really care when (or if) he opens the thread, but still complains about people not getting their PMs in timely. I guess I'm of the school of thought that, if I can't count on the mod to hold to his own stated time limits, I'm not going to care nearly so much about sticking to them either.

You say the day phase will end in 24 hours and it doesn't end for three days? You say the night phase will end in 24 hours and it lasts more than a week (without explanation)? Sorry if I can't bother to care whether or not I get my PM in within 24 hours on the following night.

You're running the game, so run the frickin' game.

Likewise, I'll sometimes sign up for games that look interesting when I'm between games -- Mag's TV game being one of them -- expecting that they'll open up within a week or so. Then, sometimes a month will go by and I'll have a cluster of games open together that I signed up for weeks apart. I'll pay the most attention to the game I care most about, or in which I'm most familiar with my character.

Sorry that I couldn't have predicted that four or five people would hold off opening games and have them all open within a few days of each other -- or that other moderators would have games that I'm in that are still running, despite the fact that they should've ended weeks ago had the timelines been held to or hadn't unannounced vacations gotten in the way.

What I'm saying is: It's a two-way street.

As players, we do the best we can to 'be there' for every game we sign up for. However, there are things that come up that'll affect our involvement. If you don't get a PM from us, quit holding up the game and play on. If it's an essential role, randomize it. If it's a non-essential role, just go on without it. It's not that hard.

Just sayin'.

But see, this all goes right back to a few things I already mentioned:

1. We have no game schedule whatsoever. Mods just start games whenever they're not busy, regardless if we've got 15 games waiting patiently for an opportunity to start, or if there's 10 games currently running.

2. Games are way too large, they run on for months, and the mods/players become assaulted by that which we call real life.

See, I see it as a two-way street as well. These two things are something that mods, at large, need to work on to improve things on their end.

But, that being said, there are players who are terribly incapacitated in every damn game they play, regardless if they've signed up for 1 or 100. And mods should be able to look somewhere to see who those people are.


Perhaps if it is a private thing, only known to a player that has been very active. Then when you start a game, you can pm that person and ask them if anybody on your player list has been an inactive player.

When somebody is inactive in one of your games, you can pm them and the keep tracker letting them know they are going to be on Yellow or whatever. And if somebody who you were told has been inactive players just fine in your game, you can pm the keep tracker to let them know.

That way it is still between the players, the mod and the keep tracker instead of having this public list that people are embarrassed and angry to be on.

Well, that doesn't work.

That only helps the one mod. That would actually be no different at all from the current system we are using. Which is to say, none at all. And there are several players that are thinking of modding for the first time, that will be plagued by this as well. This isn't a system at all. This is babysitting.


As for people being embarrassed and angry about being on a blacklist? I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous. The rules are very clear at the beginning of EVERY SINGLE GAME THREAD. If they aren't going to follow them, and they want to give someone grief, for goodness' sake, we're a community, here. We don't let someone get spit on for trying to save themselves some grief. If they're being angry, then we as a community need to let them know, "Hey, you were being inconsiderate. Here's what you can do to appeal." And if they go further than that, then you hand them over to an HCR mod. Because frankly, any further than that, and they're breaking HCR policy.

All we have to do is set down some guidelines, and have mods notify players BEFORE their game starts, that they will be following those guidelines. We can have policies for what is appropriate and inappropriate notification of absence, policies for how to appeal, and policies for mods to report rules broken by players, as well as GOOD BEHAVIOR by players on the blacklist (assuming they still let them play).

The blacklist isn't just in place for non-participants. It should be in place for cheaters, multiple-account abusers, you name it. The reasons should be stated clearly, without malice.



I mean, this isn't something that's meant to be abrasive and mean to people. This is so that mods can stop letting people play in their games, and be able to point to a list and say: "There, that's why you're not playing. You need to appeal that before you can play."

Will it suck for a player on that list? Sure. But I'm not coddling them anymore. I'm not voting them off on the first 3-5 days just because they don't participate/cheat/lie, and the mod doesn't want to hurt their feelings and tell them they can't play. I'm sick of it.


Here, let me put it this way: If we don't come up with a system for dealing with this, I'm pretty sure that will be the end of Mafia for me. Magnito says he's had it up to "here". How many other people are to that point? Do we want to find out, for the sake of the feelings of those that are being inconsiderate to those of us that put all this time into these games?

[AbeSapien]

All this talk about missing posts and unfinished/never started games is one of the reasons I haven't bothered to learn how to play.

I've almost joined a handful of games because I like the mods or the topic; I'm also worried that I would end up being the non-poster because once school starts up my schedule gets really hectic.

How much time shouldn't taking actions in a round take?

[Rokk_Krinn]

. We have no game schedule whatsoever. Mods just start games whenever they're not busy, regardless if we've got 15 games waiting patiently for an opportunity to start, or if there's 10 games currently running.

Ironically, my original intent on Secret Wars -had- been to wait as we had too many games at once...and then my life became a quagmire. Every time I debate opening it, it seems I'm hearing the same thing..."Too many games." :ermm:

[darius_dax1]

I agree with Thawmus on the player blacklist thing. If they are bad enough to not participate in a game for which they sign-up then they deserve to be on a blacklist. Perhaps the mods could maintain a proboards site with the "Blacklist" on it so it wouldn't be on the Realms. If that is only a select group of mods that access that site so be it.

[darius_dax1]

Ironically, my original intent on Secret Wars -had- been to wait as we had too many games at once...and then my life became a quagmire. Every time I debate opening it, it seems I'm hearing the same thing..."Too many games." :ermm:

That's actually a game I WANT to play due to the subject matter. I have been wanting to re-read SW for awhile now (I hope you are talking about the 1st series where the symbiote becomes Peter's costume).

[Thawmus]

Ironically, my original intent on Secret Wars -had- been to wait as we had too many games at once...and then my life became a quagmire. Every time I debate opening it, it seems I'm hearing the same thing..."Too many games." :ermm:

Same with DBZ. Half my problem is that there's too many games running for me to open it. The other half is that I'm signed up for games with no start date, so I have no idea when a good time is. The other other half is that I'm IN games that have been closed for more than 100 hours, and there's no telling if I'll be busy with those again. And the other other other half is that I have a small window before August to start the game, since I'll be on Vacation for a week (because having the game running while I'm on vacation is something I deem unacceptable and inconsiderate for a mod to do, unless they hadn't previously planned on it).

So....that's 4 halves. I suck at Geometry. :nervous:

[Thawmus]

I agree with Thawmus on the player blacklist thing. If they are bad enough to not participate in a game for which they sign-up then they deserve to be on a blacklist. Perhaps the mods could maintain a proboards site with the "Blacklist" on it so it wouldn't be on the Realms. If that is only a select group of mods that access that site so be it.

Then only a select group of mods benefit from it. Which removes about half the benefit, and brings us right back to the blacklist system we have now.

Which is pretty much none at all. :ermm:

[Rokk_Krinn]

Which reminds me, I will tell people now that I very likely will not be especially available on July 18th...as I imagine more than a few of us will all have the same reason....




....and for once it's not visiting Thawmus' mother. ;)

[Thawmus]

All this talk about missing posts and unfinished/never started games is one of the reasons I haven't bothered to learn how to play.

I've almost joined a handful of games because I like the mods or the topic; I'm also worried that I would end up being the non-poster because once school starts up my schedule gets really hectic.

How much time shouldn't taking actions in a round take?

Try just playing one game, and checking the thread once every 24 hours.

Make sure you send in your night action, if you have one, once every 24 hours.

If you hold yourself to a 24 hour schedule like that, you really can't become one of the people we're talking about.

[Thawmus]

Which reminds me, I will tell people now that I very likely will not be especially available on July 18th...as I imagine more than a few of us will all have the same reason....




....and for once it's not visiting Thawmus' mother. ;)

MY MOTHER IS A SAINT!!! :angry:

[darius_dax1]

Then only a select group of mods benefit from it. Which removes about half the benefit, and brings us right back to the blacklist system we have now.

Which is pretty much none at all. :ermm:

I was thinking that due to maintaining a list that was editable (not edible) by the game mods would mean that they would all have to be trusted to not screw with the list. That is why I used select. The admin of such a site would have to make sure that the members with editing privileges are not abusing the system.

[DocDoom187]

Which reminds me, I will tell people now that I very likely will not be especially available on July 18th...as I imagine more than a few of us will all have the same reason....




....and for once it's not visiting Thawmus' mother. ;)

[Borat Voice] Very Nice! High Fiive![/Borat Voice]

:p

[Rokk_Krinn]

Try just playing one game, and checking the thread once every 24 hours.

Make sure you send in your night action, if you have one, once every 24 hours.

If you hold yourself to a 24 hour schedule like that, you really can't become one of the people we're talking about.

One other thing that I try to do is that if I have a non-Night Action role, in many cases I'll still try to send a PM to the mod. It's easy for a mod to just count "Actions in versus players-in-game" and forget that not everyone is going to be sending in actions and that helps a bit.

[Thawmus]

I was thinking that due to maintaining a list that was editable (not edible) by the game mods would mean that they would all have to be trusted to not screw with the list. That is why I used select. The admin of such a site would have to make sure that the members with editing privileges are not abusing the system.

Ah, so you mean it would be viewable for everyone?

Because that would work.

Having it so that only select mods could SEE it was my problem.

[darius_dax1]

Ah, so you mean it would be viewable for everyone?

Because that would work.

Having it so that only select mods could SEE it was my problem.

Yeah...viewable by everyone or just mods or whatever. I am not a long time mafia player nor do I play with any regularity so this isn't really my call. I am just trying to give a suggestion as I have some experience with running proboards sites.

You can really get definitive with many of the permissions of the different groups.

I would worry about someone with editing ability to remove or add names without legitimate reasons.

[Magnito]

All this talk about missing posts and unfinished/never started games is one of the reasons I haven't bothered to learn how to play.

I've almost joined a handful of games because I like the mods or the topic; I'm also worried that I would end up being the non-poster because once school starts up my schedule gets really hectic.

How much time shouldn't taking actions in a round take?
Really, it's not all that hard.

A phase lasts 24 hours. That means you have an entire day to post, and then an entire day to PM.

[goodman]

On this general vibe, why do people who know nothing about the subject matter sign up for games they won't know anything about?

Hey me and Michigan knew NOTHING about Lost Room mafia and we won it, and i came in halfway through the game so i was completely lost in it, fortunately i was a kind of mafia and had teammates to fill me in and help me out, but yeah, i don't like inactive players either, for shame on them:rolleyes:

[Jackofhearts2005]

On that note, I became a fan of both the Lost Room show and Dead Like Me because of mafia games.

I also watched the movie Willow, which was quite good.

Half of my FMA game was devoted to getting people to watch Fullmetal Alchemist and I know at least one person ended up watching the entire series after the game.

Sometimes it's good to sign up for things you don't know about. :)

[Rokk_Krinn]

Sometimes it's good to sign up for things you don't know about. :)

Yet every time I mention "Lovecraft Mafia" as the next project (relax - I have a co-mod already for it :) ), people go screaming in fear of "lack of knowledge of the source matter". :p

[goodman]

Lol, i know Lovecraft Rokk, i HAVE to read him for my course, might give me an advantage in that game, then again people might go "he knows what this game is about, obviously mafia" and kill me anyway :(

[malakim2099]

Yet every time I mention "Lovecraft Mafia" as the next project (relax - I have a co-mod already for it :) ), people go screaming in fear of "lack of knowledge of the source matter". :p

Dude, I am SO THERE!

Dibs the Hounds of Tintalos! :)

[michiganj24]

I wanted to read some Lovecraft stuff but for some reason my local library has a ban on his stuff (and I live in a progressive city supposedly)

and Rokk by the by am I getting my secret Wars role this millennium:cheeky: or am I going to have to kill the Mad Gasser in the opening write up of Urban legends:laugh::laugh::laugh::laugh::cheeky:
Yet every time I mention "Lovecraft Mafia" as the next project (relax - I have a co-mod already for it :) ), people go screaming in fear of "lack of knowledge of the source matter". :p

[m_a_caque]

Which reminds me, I will tell people now that I very likely will not be especially available on July 18th...as I imagine more than a few of us will all have the same reason....




....and for once it's not visiting Thawmus' mother. ;)

not true. if my contact holds true to his word i get to be unavailable monday the 14th and post all kinds of spoilers hahahahahaha

[Magnito]

Which reminds me, I will tell people now that I very likely will not be especially available on July 18th...as I imagine more than a few of us will all have the same reason....




....and for once it's not visiting Thawmus' mother. ;)
I feel like I should know what you are talking about, but I don't.

[michiganj24]

Is that gencon???
Which reminds me, I will tell people now that I very likely will not be especially available on July 18th...as I imagine more than a few of us will all have the same reason....




....and for once it's not visiting Thawmus' mother. ;)

[m_a_caque]

i hearby grant you title of resident riddler of philadelphia.
you may assume ownership of said city as soon as you enter and win (by force-able coercion from me) the position of city mayor.

*nudge* don't forget i did just finish reading watchmen....

I have an alternate suggestion:

We start off with everybody on the blacklist except me. People work their way off by paying me tribute in the form of land, wealth and titles. If you manage to pay me enough tribute you may play Mafia.

All for?

Aye.

All opposed?

...

...

The motion is carried.

The current HCRealms Mafia Blacklist (http://http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/memberlist.php)

[m_a_caque]

dark knight releases on friday july 18th....

[michiganj24]

Ahh see I was looking for something that would keep people away all day so I thought of a con
dark knight releases on friday may 18th....

[m_a_caque]

long lines at the theater. repeat viewings. it is an all day affair!

[malakim2099]

dark knight releases on friday may 18th....

IT'S BEEN OUT FOR TWO MONTHS AND I MISSED IT?!?!?!?! :eek::eek::eek:

:laugh:

Well, I'm thinking I might get an IMAX ticket day of release. ;)

[michiganj24]

Not if you have a hook up
long lines at the theater. repeat viewings. it is an all day affair!

[m_a_caque]

getting the thread back on track... my playstyle i hope at least appeases mods a little, while it probably irritates my fellow players. always running my mouth lol. but i try to be as active as i can.

i sometimes feel bad i miss out on certain games. i really try to keep myself in no more than 3 games at a time. while sometimes i sign up for games that i have no idea of the source matter, more often than not i like to have some idea of what's going to go on.

my .02

[m_a_caque]

IT'S BEEN OUT FOR TWO MONTHS AND I MISSED IT?!?!?!?! :eek::eek::eek:

:laugh:

Well, I'm thinking I might get an IMAX ticket day of release. ;)

shame on you editing my quotes? :cheeky: :rolleyes: :grin:

[NotYou]

Yet every time I mention "Lovecraft Mafia" as the next project (relax - I have a co-mod already for it :) ), people go screaming in fear of "lack of knowledge of the source matter". :p

And...typically...knowledge of the mythos ALSO leads to screaming in fear,
and people WANTING a lack of knowledge of the source material.
And put me down for a pre sign up please.

[JackAssterson]

not true. if my contact holds true to his word i get to be unavailable monday the 14th and post all kinds of spoilers hahahahahaha

At this point, about all that's left to BE spoiled is what the gaffer had for lunch every Friday. :p

[michiganj24]

Corned beef and swiss on rye with a sweet pickle and Diet Fanta
and their is still one big spoiler to come as I heard their is a cameo of some actor/actress of bat lore
At this point, about all that's left to BE spoiled is what the gaffer had for lunch every Friday. :p

[JackAssterson]

Corned beef and swiss on rye with a sweet pickle and Diet Fanta
and their is still one big spoiler to come as I heard their is a cameo of some actor/actress of bat lore


Nobody who's seen the film has mentioned that -- so if it's true, I'd wager they're either very obscure, or very hard to see.

[michiganj24]

I dont know it came from an interview with Nolan a few months back so either the scene got deleted or he was pulling people's legs. From his comments I had a guess who but i cant say who made it in. It was supposed to be on par with a Stan lee cameo so it should have been noticeable if Nolan was to be belived makes me think the scene got cut

Nobody who's seen the film has mentioned that -- so if it's true, I'd wager they're either very obscure, or very hard to see.

[Rokk_Krinn]

In my case it's a matter of traveling to see the movie (okay and as a compromise I also have to meet with some people for the wedding. :p :) )

[m_a_caque]

In my case it's a matter of traveling to see the movie (okay and as a compromise I also have to meet with some people for the wedding. :p :) )

i was hoping the actual wedding wasn't that day and i assumed you just meant the movie. whew. :)

[CarlosMucha]

Ironically, my original intent on Secret Wars -had- been to wait as we had too many games at once...and then my life became a quagmire. Every time I debate opening it, it seems I'm hearing the same thing..."Too many games." :ermm:

you just have to open it and fight for atention :p making your game the best you can.

:)

[CarlosMucha]

I agree with Thawmus on the player blacklist thing. If they are bad enough to not participate in a game for which they sign-up then they deserve to be on a blacklist. Perhaps the mods could maintain a proboards site with the "Blacklist" on it so it wouldn't be on the Realms. If that is only a select group of mods that access that site so be it.

I like it! I want power! :devious: :p

[JackAssterson]

I like it! I want power! :devious: :p

We'll give you some, but you have to wait until 10.








































Is important.

[CarlosMucha]

On that note, I became a fan of both the Lost Room show and Dead Like Me because of mafia games.

I also watched the movie Willow, which was quite good.

Half of my FMA game was devoted to getting people to watch Fullmetal Alchemist and I know at least one person ended up watching the entire series after the game.

Sometimes it's good to sign up for things you don't know about. :)

that is what is really great about this game.

Thanks to this game you can share your favorite movies or characters in any media. and if you make somebody else watch something that you like that feels really great.

I did watch Willow because of the Mafia Game and I read about lot of things because of mafia games.

[sstralkowski]

Wonder if anyone watched Greg The Bunny due to Count Blah's appearance in two games now.

[Amora's_best_friend]

I'm tempted to stop playing games, just because running games makes me laugh so much more.

[Thawmus]

Not that I want to interrupt, or anything, but does anyone want to continue to discuss a solution? :ermm:

Should I hold a couple of polls for the schedule and blacklist?

[Vevilaughs]

the only thing I could think of would be to get a player rating similar to an I-trder rating. Mods give out a + or - based on communication and participation. If you could leave player feedback, you could be searched to see if you should be allowed to play.

[darius_dax1]

Not that I want to interrupt, or anything, but does anyone want to continue to discuss a solution? :ermm:

Should I hold a couple of polls for the schedule and blacklist?


I think the blacklist is just a DO IT thing. Let others know about it and it will build itself.

The schedule you need some more cooperation from the other game mods.

You could do both from the same proboards site and at least start with your own list and schedule and hopefully add others.

Perhaps this is also something Typhon coud look into. Maybe a different rating system for mafia participation, like rep or itrader.

There could also be a user group created for mafia mods. I don't know what "powers" that would get them but it might be a good idea to look into it.

[darius_dax1]

the only thing I could think of would be to get a player rating similar to an I-trder rating. Mods give out a + or - based on communication and participation. If you could leave player feedback, you could be searched to see if you should be allowed to play.

You posted while I was typing....I must be getting slow in my old age.

[Thawmus]

I think the blacklist is just a DO IT thing. Let others know about it and it will build itself.

The schedule you need some more cooperation from the other game mods.

You could do both from the same proboards site and at least start with your own list and schedule and hopefully add others.

Perhaps this is also something Typhon coud look into. Maybe a different rating system for mafia participation, like rep or itrader.

There could also be a user group created for mafia mods. I don't know what "powers" that would get them but it might be a good idea to look into it.

I agree that this is how it is going to have to happen. And I'm more than willing to be the ####### that starts it.

But if this thread is any indication, there are definitely mixed feelings on the matter. And I think a poll is the best way to single that solution out, and get people to discuss it.

[Vevilaughs]

That is why I would like something mod-centered. There is a difference between missing one night and never playing in the game. There is a difference in not being about to play and actually taking the step to let the mod know so they can find a sub.

[Vevilaughs]

Honestly, there are certain mods out there whose games I won't play because they are inconsistant in posting or a least letting people know what is going on with the game.

[Rokk_Krinn]

Perhaps this is also something Typhon coud look into. Maybe a different rating system for mafia participation, like rep or itrader.


I would be hesitant to ask Typhon to go program a system into Heroclix Realms - even if we are a very busy sub-forum :) - for more Mafia madness. ;)

[Thawmus]

That is why I would like something mod-centered. There is a difference between missing one night and never playing in the game. There is a difference in not being about to play and actually taking the step to let the mod know so they can find a sub.

Oh, I agree. It's definitely something that the mods should be bringing up when there's a "violation", not the players.

There's more reasons for that than I can count, honestly.

[Thawmus]

I would be hesitant to ask Typhon to go program a system into Heroclix Realms - even if we are a very busy sub-forum :) - for more Mafia madness. ;)

That's kinda where I'm at. I don't mean any disrespect to Typhon and his staff, but I just DON'T see them wanting to maintain something like this.

The itrader system has a very important purpose behind it, and it's infinitely valuable to HCR. That's why it gets a helping hand when it needs it.

If a Mafia "Blacking" system was introduced, and afterward abused (as there would always be potential for it), we would be powerless to fix it, remorseful players would be powerless to amend it, and I just don't think the HCR staff would feel that it was an emergency (which it wouldn't, honestly).

Besides, I'd rather have something that we as a community can control, since this game is something that continually evolves. A system revolving around marking people up and down for playing or not playing, doesn't seem like something that does what we need it to do.

[Rokk_Krinn]

That's kinda where I'm at. I don't mean any disrespect to Typhon and his staff, but I just DON'T see them wanting to maintain something like this.


It's not disrespecting at all. It's called - they've already done more than enough for us by giving us our own sub-forums rather than telling us to take such board clutter elsewhere, and we would rather not go ahead and pester them for more.

It's like getting a toy you want for Christmas and before the day is even over, asking your parents when they're going to get you one to go with it.

[darius_dax1]

It's like getting a toy you want for Christmas and before the day is even over, asking your parents when they're going to get you one to go with it.

...but having 5 out of 6 of the Constructacons doesn't help you form Devastator.*









*I have never owned the Constractacons and in fact had very few Transformers toys as they were out just about the time I was too old for them.

[CarlosMucha]

the only thing I could think of would be to get a player rating similar to an I-trder rating. Mods give out a + or - based on communication and participation. If you could leave player feedback, you could be searched to see if you should be allowed to play.

I like it!

[CarlosMucha]

the perfect thing could be a system were you can give a player a point for each good participation in a game. In that way you just have to look in the ones with good participation points to have a nice game almost safe away from the "not" participation (?) players.

[Thawmus]

the perfect thing could be a system were you can give a player a point for each good participation in a game. In that way you just have to look in the ones with good participation points to have a nice game almost safe away from the "not" participation (?) players.

You've just described the Rep system.

Look how well that works. :ermm:

[Vevilaughs]

but the potential behind this could make Typhon start "Mafiarealms.com"

[JacinB]

You've just described the Rep system.

Look how well that works. :ermm:
I like Rep. You can gimme some.

[Rokk_Krinn]

but the potential behind this could make Typhon start "Mafiarealms.com"

Or have us tell us to go start our own and he's closing our sub-forum. ;)

[darius_dax1]

but the potential behind this could make Typhon start "Mafiarealms.com"

I probably would stop playing mafia games then. I don't want another site to visit.

[Thawmus]

I probably would stop playing mafia games then. I don't want another site to visit.

While I certainly don't intend to bust open the community by saying so, it really wouldn't be the end of the world.

At the very least, we'd be able to draft players from all the other Realmworx boards. And the bonuses for that are just astronomical. The "prestige" players wouldn't get killed as often, there'd be more blood in the game, less chance of inactive players, etc.


The cons are pretty obvious, though. For one, as you said, it'd be another site. For two, a lot of the themes we use here would die pitiful deaths on such a site. :ermm:

I dunno. I think I've been talking about this so much the past 24 hours that I don't even know what I'm saying anymore. :ermm:

[The BoyBlunder]

but the potential behind this could make Typhon start "Mafiarealms.com"

I'd only want this to happen if HCRealms became completly unhospitable towards our game via new forum features and the like. If this happened, a new forum would be preferable to the death of our form of mafia, but I'm sure we could come up with a better name than "MafiaRealms."

[AbeSapien]

You've just described the Rep system.

Look how well that works. :ermm:

Except the Rep system exists in a vacuum for the most part.

Since Trading has its own system (iTrader) there isn't any decision making here on the boards for which the Rep system could be used.

On the other hand this would be a system designed to address a specific need and would have a direct application and people receiving feedback one way or the other would have the reasons and applications clearly stated before hand.

[DocDoom187]

The only way I see this working without applying new features to HCR is to have mods post in a thread what a certain player did wrong in their game, have people take turns reviewing it, and based on that make a warning system, that once they get to 3 strikes lets say, they get blacklisted.

[Thawmus]

Well, from the looks of the polls:

Blacklist
We're mostly in agreement that we need to either have a Blacklist, or something else that serves the same purpose. There was only one vote that outright said "no".

The question is how to do it. Do we create a list on another board, create a list on this board, try to get an iTrader-like system, or something else altogether?

Schedule
The schedule, however, I'm thinking is a no go. There's a lot of dissent with that. Mostly with people actually adhering to it. There's just too much restriction for it.

However, a list of start dates is a pretty harmless thing, and there's really no reason not to have one. It doesn't hurt anyone to have something like that up, alongside the dibs thread.

Looks like people are still discussing how to keep too many games from being released in the same week, however. In addition, we still haven't solved the problem of having mods commit to start dates.

[Reibello]

Thawmus. http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235942
Typhon posted something at the bottom of this that sounds somewhat promising. See what you think.

[Thawmus]

As for my own thoughts:

I didn't really think the schedule was going to fly, to be honest. I am surprised, however, at the response to the Blacklist. I figured everyone would be mostly against that, since it's not very....nice.

We need to come up with and agree on how to do it, though. And I'm not sure if we need to make more polls on it in order for that to happen, or what.

At the very least, we should take a vote to see if we collectively want the HCR staff to get involved.

I know I personally would not want them to be involved, and I certainly wouldn't want to load another system into their hands that they get to maintain.

The base problem, as I see it, is that HCRealms- as in the website- does not recognize a user as either a mod or a player. As a result, it would have no way of knowing whether the person that was rating the player was a mod or not. Therefore, a player could get "Repped up" by any random player, and the system could be useless within a week's time.

Which is why I like something that's more community-based. Then we get to discuss whether a player deserves to be on the blacklist or not. And mods aren't having to "rep up" all 25-40 players in every game they run. And the HCR staff doesn't have to maintain another system. And we don't have to ask them to implement another system.

And, biggest of all: We can tear it down if it doesn't work.

Frankly, that's just too big for me. If we're going to implement something that has the potential to be volatile to the community, I'd like it to be something that the community can tear down, if they need to.

[Thawmus]

Thawmus. http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=235942
Typhon posted something at the bottom of this that sounds somewhat promising. See what you think.

I mean no disrespect, again, to Typhon and his staff, but I have no faith whatsoever in the Player Groups.

I've gone down that road twice now, and both of them have been something that the staff got tired of dealing with, I couldn't get players to see the group, etc. It was a mess, both times. I don't want to do it again. If we had to deal with that kind of mess again, and it deterred players, I'd simply be beside myself.

Not to mention, nobody ever sees those player groups. The chance for new blood would drop substantially.

Same reason why I wanted to see a Mafia forum, instead of a player group, way back when. I think this forum does WAY more than a player group ever could.

[Reibello]

Ah, I meant using one as the blacklist. Not playing mafia there.

[Thawmus]

Ah, I meant using one as the blacklist. Not playing mafia there.

If you can make it a public place, sure.

However, again, I haven't had luck with them getting that done right.

I had a D&D group that I was trying to start a year ago, that I shunted into a player group.

I asked for it to be public- it ended up being private. I asked them to make it public again- they made it public, but nobody could see it. I told them nobody could see it- they said people could see it.

The group stagnated, and died a quick death.

Furthermore, they have limits on how long a player group can go without posts. We couldn't possibly house just a blacklist there. The group would get closed after 60 days of not adding someone to it. It'd be like The Lottery (rep to anyone who gets the reference).

If Typhon can set up a group, correctly, and ensure that it will never get closed, regardless of the activity of it, I'm all for it. Otherwise, no.

[Reibello]

Ah. Well then I will try and come up with something more feasible.

[michiganj24]

Methinks Typhon is watching us. main page mention of us mafia and a feature just for us

[CarlosMucha]

Methinks Typhon is watching us. main page mention of us mafia and a feature just for us

I have to cover myself!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Maybe typhoon will come play a game. :p

[Thawmus]

Methinks Typhon is watching us. main page mention of us mafia and a feature just for us

Mind giving us a link?

I see nothing on the front page that says anything about Mafia.

[malakim2099]

I have to cover myself!

Typhon is really Pombero!!! :eek:

[JacinB]

Mind giving us a link?

I see nothing on the front page that says anything about Mafia.
Check the notice at the top of each and every page on the site:
We're testing a new program so that people don't have to go and set up proboards (or keep private blogs) for their Mafia Games ... but we need some testers! So if you're about to start a game, please PM Typhon and let him know and we'll get you into the group so that we can test this process. Thanks!

[Thawmus]

Check the notice at the top of each and every page on the site:

........that's just not funny. :disappoin

[michiganj24]

Sorry I thought it was so obvious I didnt need to say anything more
........that's just not funny. :disappoin

[Rokk_Krinn]

I have to cover myself!

You forgot to do the same with your Hannah Montanna Doll. :noid:

[CarlosMucha]

You forgot to do the same with your Hannah Montanna Doll. :noid:

I don't have her doll! :mad:

(she have a doll??!)

I just have a poster. and have a poster is not wrong! :mad:

[Thawmus]

Yeah, yeah, I'm ########. Not news. :tired:

I'm considering offering DBZ Mafia for a test subject, but only if that'll mean I can get another player out of it (seriously, I need one....), that wants to try the system out.

I have no idea what he has in mind, either.


The other option.....would be for Vanilla V to start up.

[JackAssterson]

I don't have her doll! :mad:

(she have a doll??!)


Well, the latter explains the former. :cheeky:

[malakim2099]

After tonight, I'm about ready to take a freaking hiatus.

Vent vent vent.

[CarlosMucha]

After tonight, I'm about ready to take a freaking hiatus.

Vent vent vent.

what happened?

(in what game?)

[CarlosMucha]

nevermind, sorry.

[JacinB]

After tonight, I'm about ready to take a freaking hiatus.

Vent vent vent.
At least this time, you can be sure I didn't do it.



... or did I? ;) :grin:

[malakim2099]

At least this time, you can be sure I didn't do it.



... or did I? ;) :grin:

Oh, your buddies did, I'm sure of that.

[Ignatz_Mouse]

I suppose here is as good a place as any--

I've barely been on in the last 5 days, unexpectedly. I've been able to get one a few minutes at a time, that's all. Sorry if I've slowed any games down.

I won't be on again regularly until tomorrow.

[JacinB]

Geez, Ignatz: If you don't want to play, stop signing up! :noid: