Building A Skrull Team... or Lack There Of.

[Dibs On KC Figs]

During this scenario...

Skrull Scenario #1
Skrull Traitor’s Draft


Constructed – Restricted (400 points)
No Main Tactics (No Feats / Bystander Tokens / Battlefield Conditions / Special Objects)

Two groups of heroes meet on the battlefield after the Invasion, searching for Skrulls. The Skrulls decide the time is right and reveal themselves from among both groups and begin the attack. The remaining heroes quickly regroup and band together in a makeshift team called for by the dire circumstances.

Just before figures are placed for setup, instead remove all figures from the game. The player going first chooses a character on any team and adds that character to his or her force. If there is an odd number of figures, the final figure is left out of the game. (how exactly does this work? wont that unbalance the game? does the player going second get to do the same help me out here?)

The player going second chooses to play either SKRULLS or HUMANS. If they choose SKRULLS, all characters they control gain the Skrulls team ability. If they choose HUMANS, all characters they control gain that player’s choice of the Avengers, Fantastic Four, or S.H.I.E.L.D. team ability. The player going first assumes the other role. Ignore all printed team abilities and theme team abilities (including the map roll bonus). At the end of the game, return all figures to their owners.


Can I do this....

Come with a team that is very low in point total...say only 40 point Marvel Girl from M@M...

I can have up to a 400 point team...but I come 370 points shy... Is that valid?

[JRS4]

You technically could but it would be in very bad form.

Also it would hurt you in Victory Point totals if it was to come down to a tie in win/loss record.

[Paradox Factor]

You technically could but it would be in very bad form.

Also it would hurt you in Victory Point totals if it was to come down to a tie in win/loss record.

Very true. Honestly, it's a bad strategy to do. What if you play against an opponent that does the same? The winner would score 40 victory points and that's leave them waaaayyyy behind in points if everyone else brought full team.

[Contingency Plan]

Technically yes, you can do it. But what would be the gain from it? Kind of confused with the strategy idea...

[Dibs On KC Figs]

Here's my strategy idea.... Win!!

Having a "W" on the score sheet after the match is over is all that is needed to advance. After 3 rounds, I will need 3 "W". If so... the points will not matter (at least at my venue they don't) Other venues are different and in those cases this strategy would not work, but in a venue with less than 8 players this will work out just fine.

[Paradox Factor]

Here's my strategy idea.... Win!!

Having a "W" on the score sheet after the match is over is all that is needed to advance. After 3 rounds, I will need 3 "W". If so... the points will not matter (at least at my venue they don't) Other venues are different and in those cases this strategy would not work, but in a venue with less than 8 players this will work out just fine.

It's still a bad stratagy, even if you only count wins and not points. Your relying on your opponents figures. If he brings nothing but ####, like say a pack of Moloids, or a single figure, your stratigy has totaly backfired.

[magerunner]

It's still a bad stratagy, even if you only count wins and not points. Your relying on your opponents figures. If he brings nothing but ####, like say a pack of Moloids, or a single figure, your stratigy has totaly backfired.

To be expand: If you bring only one figure, that is low value, and they have a good figure and some pit crew style through out. You could loose the roll and end up with the other guy taking the one good figure and you have to make due with what is left. Or if someone does the reverse and brings just one figure that is big, an you losse the roll, Little miss Marvel girl is going to be smacked around by Black Adam.

[Harpua]

My team...400 Advanced Sentinel...and hoping for good rolls.

[Slaapaav]

im bringing two 200 pointers

[burleigh2]

im bringing two 200 pointers
Y'know, it just popped into my head if you could bring 2 copies of the same Unique since the teams would be broken up... but since you have to build a legal team to bring, you couldn't do that.
However, what would happen if you and your opponent both bring the same Unique and the last player to draw is forced to take the 2nd copy of the U (after he's already drafted the first)?
Of course, that would make the 2nd player's team illegal... so would that force Player 1 to take the other U, even if they would rather take the other choice for their team?
This whole scenario is filled with potential problems (this one, if there's an odd number of figures, if there's 1 tentpole team and 1 swarm team, etc). I hate to say that we're all forced to run it :(

[techdog]

You can do the underbuild, but you're not really giving yourself much of an advantage. You are counting on your opponent having a brick team? And then you have to win the roll. But, what if you face a swarm? Or what if you lose the roll. You are actually making luck much more of a factor then skill.


As for the Unique rule, I think that it might be put on hold, when we used to do drafts games like this, the old Arch Enemy rule was suspended, I would assume this is similar, but I am not official at all, so don't take my word for it.

[burleigh2]

As for the Unique rule, I think that it might be put on hold, when we used to do drafts games like this, the old Arch Enemy rule was suspended, I would assume this is similar, but I am not official at all, so don't take my word for it.
Exactly... I would assume what you draft is what you draft, but technically, there is nothing in the rules about drafts suspending the Unique or AE rules, so that's a house rule to allow it. This is a restricted game, so house rules can't be used... there is no official statement for what to do in this instance, so it creates a paradox.

Yet another reason that they shouldn't have outlawed house rules (especially for forced scenarios like this that may NEED some house-rules to adjust details that don't work :angry:
...:disappoin...

[drfaust176]

Can I do this....

Come with a team that is very low in point total...say only 40 point Marvel Girl from M@M...

I can have up to a 400 point team...but I come 370 points shy... Is that valid?

You could. But I wouldn't expect to make any friends doing it. It's not a particularly fun way to play, and if I played against you- I'd be pissed. If winning is really that important, I think you're missing the point that this is a game involving little plastic superheroes. Yeah, winning's nice...But isn't there something to be said for having fun?

To be frank, I think this goes beyond just the cheese/no-cheese argument...It's rules exploitation, and I doubt very many people would consider it an acceptable way to play. Granted, there are strategic shortcomings, as has been noted, but why not play the game to enjoy it?

[brevard321]

Here's my question: After the traitor draft, it was okay if someone had a team of over 400 points, correct?

At the local venue tonight, we had to trim the traitor teams down to 400, which worked okay and evened the teams up, but wasn't the whole point of the traitor draft that someone might end up with a 500 point team facing a 300 point team? We still have another one to do on Thursday, so if anyone has any specific clarification on how the traitor draft works that would be great.

Simply put, do you trim your drafted team down to 400, or is it okay to have a team greater than 400 points AFTER the traitor draft?

[W.I.T]

Here's my strategy idea.... be a complete and total d-bag, and screw everyone else over to get the LE I want.

There, I fixed it for you :tired:

[Quebbster]

Here's my question: After the traitor draft, it was okay if someone had a team of over 400 points, correct?

At the local venue tonight, we had to trim the traitor teams down to 400, which worked okay and evened the teams up, but wasn't the whole point of the traitor draft that someone might end up with a 500 point team facing a 300 point team? We still have another one to do on Thursday, so if anyone has any specific clarification on how the traitor draft works that would be great.

Simply put, do you trim your drafted team down to 400, or is it okay to have a team greater than 400 points AFTER the traitor draft?
Simply put, that part is not quite clear from the published text, and as far as I know there has been no official clarification. Therefore, it is up to the Judge to determine how the format should be interpreted.
I would go with the "play everything you draft" method, where the final teams may not be the point total. On the other hand, I know nbperp has said that he would probably rule that the final team would not be allowed to exceed 400 points - should a player end up in a position where he cannot draft anymore figures without exceeding the 400 point limit he will simply stop drafting while the other player is allowed to continue drafting until there are no more figures or until he cannot drat any more figures without exceeding the 400 point limit. Note however that this is nbperp's own interpretation and not something that is forced on the judge.

So in short the best thing to do is probably to contact the Judge responsible for the draft on Thursday and ask how he will run it.

[brevard321]

Thanks Quebbster. We ran it tonight with the "trimmed" version of the scenario. I can see the argument for both ways to run it.

My thinking is because it is a draft (not unlike a sealed draft tournament), you play with what you draft, and points don't matter. I think if points were supposed to matter, I think they would have specifically said that in the scenario.

It doesn't matter much either way, but I think it is more fun and much more strategic if the teams are NOT trimmed down below 400, and the only figure that is not used is the last odd man out. In other words, if someone wants to keep drafting 35 point figures like Howard the Duck instead of Namor at 150 points, well, they might be in trouble! Thanks for the help! :)

[Joeshane86]

Thanks Quebbster. We ran it tonight with the "trimmed" version of the scenario. I can see the argument for both ways to run it.

My thinking is because it is a draft (not unlike a sealed draft tournament), you play with what you draft, and points don't matter. I think if points were supposed to matter, I think they would have specifically said that in the scenario.

It doesn't matter much either way, but I think it is more fun and much more strategic if the teams are NOT trimmed down below 400, and the only figure that is not used is the last odd man out. In other words, if someone wants to keep drafting 35 point figures like Howard the Duck instead of Namor at 150 points, well, they might be in trouble! Thanks for the help! :)


From the drafts I've been apart of in the past, there would be a set team build total in place. Like this one, where theirs a 400 pt pool of figures to pull from I believe the same would go for the team build total. Not sure how this couldn't be more obvious. The scearnio doesn't say any other value other than 400pts. The scenario would suck if say I brought 2 heralds with me and put them in the pool and then drafted both of them and all the other expensive figures on the field, it would totally be unbalanced when the game started with me ending up with a 600 pt team and the other guy having a 200 pt team. I don't see much strategy for the person with the 200pt team other than to take the beating of a lifetime not to mention this experiece wouldn't be much fun for anyone in the 200 pt players position.

[Quebbster]

From the drafts I've been apart of in the past, there would be a set team build total in place. Like this one, where theirs a 400 pt pool of figures to pull from I believe the same would go for the team build total. Not sure how this couldn't be more obvious. The scearnio doesn't say any other value other than 400pts. The scenario would suck if say I brought 2 heralds with me and put them in the pool and then drafted both of them and all the other expensive figures on the field, it would totally be unbalanced when the game started with me ending up with a 600 pt team and the other guy having a 200 pt team. I don't see much strategy for the person with the 200pt team other than to take the beating of a lifetime not to mention this experiece wouldn't be much fun for anyone in the 200 pt players position.
I think that's why you take turns drafting... You can only take 1 of your powerhouse figures before giving your opponent a go, and he can then take the other. Or his own powerhouse for that matter.
There is a lot of strategy in the drafting element as well. But then, I love playing Battle Royales, where there is no set limit for the team size.

[magerunner]

Well we played a non-trimming. For most of the game I was at 325-375, never was I over built. But two of the rounds I did wipe the other guy out. My friend had a 526 point team in the final round, I don't think it was bad. The other guy choose to keep picking the 30-60 point figures as the 100+ figures kept getting snagged up. The first round on me had me fighting a 467 point team, man that hurt but I fell due to bad rolls and a superior strat by the other guy.

[Joeshane86]

I guess I'm one of those guys who is just to used to normal draft rules to see the difference in this scenario, other than the fact that your pulling from premade pools instead of boosters, and the special rules. I just assumed since you were bringing 400 points each, the final build was supposed to be 400 points. The whole non-trimming could be sabotaged however.Also if somebody just brings a 22 point kree do you think thats fair? Thats not my idea, Brevard321 thought it would be at our last tournament and I'm not sure what he's gonna be pulling out this thursday(same scenario).

[Quebbster]

I guess I'm one of those guys who is just to used to normal draft rules to see the difference in this scenario, other than the fact that your pulling from premade pools instead of boosters, and the special rules. I just assumed since you were bringing 400 points each, the final build was supposed to be 400 points. The whole non-trimming could be sabotaged however.
The main argument I can see against this is that the tournament only mentions "Draft" in the title - no mention in the format about it being some sort of Draft, just Constructed. This is a rather weak argument though. As I said, it is up to each judge to determine what they think would be the best way to run the event.
Also if somebody just brings a 22 point kree do you think thats fair? Thats not my idea, Brevard321 thought it would be at our last tournament and I'm not sure what he's gonna be pulling out this thursday(same scenario).
It certainly goes against the spirit of the format, but it's not illegal - you are allowed to underbuild as much or as little as you want. I'm not convinced that is a wise strategy however: If you bring an underbuilt team you are denying yourself a whole lot of victory points - you will in effect be playing 200 point games every round while the other games in the tournament will be about 400 points.
I can say one thing for sure: I would never give fellowship to someone who brings an intentionally underbuilt team - it's just not fun to play against. Ask WolfAngel. :)

[Joeshane86]

I guess I'm not used to unbalanced games.