Modkill

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well, that was number 4.

I want to make this perfectly clear to everyone.

If your role pm says "You're expendable" and you know everybody else who is town got a pm that says "You're expendable" then starting the day by saying "I'm expendable" will get you modkilled.

If you win when all threats to the X-Men have been eliminated and you say that on the thread, you will be modkilled.

The point is to not prove yourself to be town or another mafia by virtue of the wording of your/their pm. Stop trying.

EDIT: This post sounds really rude and I appologize for that. I bear no ill will towards either player in these examples. I like them both as people and mafia players.

I guess I'm just annoyed that I feel the need to make such a post in the first place. It's probably not the best way to go about things but at least you guys know where I stand on the rule.

It has very much let me know that as a mod, I need to update my rules page again so that it is more clear and this doesn't happen so often.

[pbdeberry]

so that's why it happened...

love you jack!

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well thanks. :p

[JackAssterson]

love you jack!

Well, this is sudden.

[Jackofhearts2005]

:rolleyes:

:nervous:

I uh...didn't see you there. I thought he was talking about...

This is awkward. I'm gonna go.

[tidge]

Hmm, I'm not playing that game so I don't know if it was made crystal clear prior to game time....but very few other mods make that distinction. Quite a few games I've played have played so fast and loose with alignments (and win conditions) that I didn't know what faction I was!* I would hope that your SK isn't going to get modkilled for saying "I win with the town" (or outted for not being modkilled when he says it!)

*That's usually a sign I'm town, but in at least two games my alignment was highly questionable:

Carlos' TV Shows; I was a "mafia" (of one), which meant I was recruitable (but still copped as mafia)

CryptoZoology; I think I was a SK (only killed "townies") but I won when I specifically killed a particular player.

[JackAssterson]

:rolleyes:

:nervous:

I uh...didn't see you there. I thought he was talking about...

This is awkward. I'm gonna go.



Maybe it's both of us?

:noid:

[JKLantern]

Maybe it's both of us?

:noid:

Nah, he meant me. Common mispronunciation.

[JackAssterson]

Nah, he meant me. Common mispronunciation.

I thought you were known as Jantern.

Or Sir Bacon of the Pants.

[JKLantern]

I thought you were known as Jantern.

Or Sir Bacon of the Pants.

I said it was a common mispronunciation. I didn't say it wasn't an egregious one.

[Amora's_best_friend]

CryptoZoology; I think I was a SK (only killed "townies") but I won when I specifically killed a particular player.

That experience was lovely.

Not even sarcasm; I loved it.

[Thawmus]

Well, that was number 4.

I want to make this perfectly clear to everyone.

If your role pm says "You're expendable" and you know everybody else who is town got a pm that says "You're expendable" then starting the day by saying "I'm expendable" will get you modkilled.

If you win when all threats to the X-Men have been eliminated and you say that on the thread, you will be modkilled.

The point is to not prove yourself to be town or another mafia by virtue of the wording of your/their pm. Stop trying.

I guess that's why I added that rule to my games about following the intent of the rule.

Everyone should be able to figure out why you're not allowed to quote PMs from the mod. If you're working to circumvent that, you fully deserve to be modkilled. Plain and simple.

[Hatut Zeraze]

Well, I'm glad I read this thread.

I didn't know that stating your win condition was something that could get me modkilled. While I've never been in a position where I even wanted to state my win condition, I've seen it a few times already in the 4 or 5 games I've played. When people have been intensely pressured, several of them have had to fall all the way back to their win conditions in order to convince lynchers to back off.

They weren't mod-killed in those games, so I assumed this was cool. Now I know that it is an iffy thing that won't be tolerated by some mods.

I also now know JKLantern's knighted title, which will come in handy the next time I order the Baconator at Wendy's. I'll be able to name-drop for a 3% discount.

[Raiserb1ade]

Well, that was number 4.

I want to make this perfectly clear to everyone.

If your role pm says "You're expendable" and you know everybody else who is town got a pm that says "You're expendable" then starting the day by saying "I'm expendable" will get you modkilled.

If you win when all threats to the X-Men have been eliminated and you say that on the thread, you will be modkilled.

The point is to not prove yourself to be town or another mafia by virtue of the wording of your/their pm. Stop trying.

I have never seen a mod kill for this kind of action before and I have done it before and seen it done many times. I don't see how I was supposed to know that was going to get me Mod-Killed.

Thanks for the warning though. :rolleyes:

[pbdeberry]

plenty me to go around but I love Jack the bestest!

[JackAssterson]

I didn't know that stating your win condition was something that could get me modkilled.

It usually isn't, at least in my experience. I don't know how many times I've seen people say "I win when there's no threat to the town" "I'm a Serial Killer, but I can win with the Town" "I'm a PGO, I can win with either the town or the Mafia" and such.

It sure as heck was a surprise when JoH started talking about mod-killing me in X-Men. :laugh:

[tidge]

Re: Cryptozoology.

That experience was lovely.

Not even sarcasm; I loved it.

For the record, on Day Two ABF was pressured by the town to roleclaim (as a townie), it just so happened he was my target. His death probably saved several others since it got me out of the game (truth was, I wasn't told that I was a killer)

In the recent Fourth World game I had an interesting, explicit (town) role restriction: I could claim my character, but I couldn't claim my powers...and since I didn't have an active night power, I would have looked pretty suspicious to trackers, etc.

I can understand JoH's frustration, but unless the GM is *really* forthright about what cannot be said on the thread, I can see why it would come as a shock.

[Raiserb1ade]

And now pberry just broke the game.

Modkills for everyone!

[Jackofhearts2005]

I have never seen a mod kill for this kind of action before and I have done it before and seen it done many times. I don't see how I was supposed to know that was going to get me Mod-Killed.

Thanks for the warning though. :rolleyes:

It wasn't supposed to be a "vent at Raiserblade" so much as a "vent that I've modkilled 3 players in the past for such things and had to do it again today."

Please don't feel like I'm trying to call you out personally as a bad player or anything.

Also, making it clear that you follow the SPIRIT of the law. Yes, quoting one word from your pm doesn't seem like a bad thing but when 5 posts later, somebody else points out that they KNOW you're a townie....well, that right there justifies the modkill.



ON ANOTHER NOTE...

Don't fake a day power. If all bad guys have a day power and you use it and it doesn't have the stated effect, it artificially proves you aren't a bad guy (just like quoting your pm) and will also get you modkilled.


ON ANOTHER NOTE...

Completely agree with Thawmus on his own rule page. I really don't care if mod xyz allowed you to quote your pms. I'm not that mod.

It says it on the rule page. It's said it on 99% of rule pages ever. You've all played in mafia games and know why it's there (I'd probably be less harsh if I left it off the page and was dealing with a first time player).

Now that I've had this thread it should come as even less of a surprise.

[Jackofhearts2005]

It usually isn't, at least in my experience. I don't know how many times I've seen people say "I win when there's no threat to the town" "I'm a Serial Killer, but I can win with the Town" "I'm a PGO, I can win with either the town or the Mafia" and such.

It sure as heck was a surprise when JoH started talking about mod-killing me in X-Men. :laugh:

That's not the problem.

Once you're a serial killer, your win condition can't be confirmed because you're the only sk.

The problem is proving you are town by using the wording of your pm. Or trying to prove someone else isn't town because their pm doesn't have the same wording.

I've seen it happen in other games and I frankly don't want it happening in mine. That's the reason we have the "don't quote pms" rule!

[JackAssterson]

I've seen it happen in other games and I frankly don't want it happening in mine. That's the reason we have the "don't quote pms" rule!

The reason we have the "don't quote PM's" rule is so the specific writing style of a GM cannot be discerned. People have been referencing their win conditions since the early days.



The problem is proving you are town by using the wording of your pm. Or trying to prove someone else isn't town because their pm doesn't have the same wording.



I can't speak for others, but my particular case had nothing to do with either proving I was town or proving Rokk wasn't by usage of specific wording, nor was my true intention ever asked. I was just told, "you should be mod-killed for that."

[Jackofhearts2005]

The reason we have the "don't quote PM's" rule is so the specific writing style of a GM cannot be discerned.

My "writing style" is to give all townies the same win condition (with the occationally "you can't win if so and so is still alive"). Same for a lot of mods. If you can recite the townie win condition, you are proving you are telling the truth by virtue of the mod's writing style.


I can't speak for others, but my particular case had nothing to do with either proving I was town or proving Rokk wasn't by usage of specific wording, nor was my true intention ever asked. I was just told, "you should be mod-killed for that."

Maybe not but if I was a townie in that game, I would have immediately known to trust you.

Earlier today, another player immediately knew to trust Raiserblade because he quoted his pm.

That just doesn't seem fair at all to the mafia.

[JackAssterson]

In the end you can ban whatever you like. They're your games. :)

[Jackofhearts2005]

In the end you can ban whatever you like. They're your games. :)

Well yeah, but I don't want to (much as I try to make modkill writeups funny).

That's another thing though. I'm not gonna ban players who break these rules. None of you went into it thinking "I'm gonna cheat and win!"

And I'd be a liar if I said that I had never done anything that was against the rules or even the spirit of the rules because I have. I've let people know when my vote was being forced on another player. That's not cool. I should know better.

I don't want to be forced to not play in that guy's games anymore because of that and I sure as heck don't want to lose 4 or so great mafia players in my games because of a different interpretation of the rules.

[Raiserb1ade]

I understand your point. Won't happen again.

[tidge]

ON ANOTHER NOTE...

Don't fake a day power. If all bad guys have a day power and you use it and it doesn't have the stated effect, it artificially proves you aren't a bad guy (just like quoting your pm) and will also get you modkilled.


This seems like a very special case particular to a specific game. Remind me to followup later, when a certain game has run its course.

[sstralkowski]

I have pretty easy solution for you JoH. I give the town, mafia, and 3rd party mafia all the same win condition. "You win when all threats to your faction have been eliminated." I have done this for some time now, and people have realized that there's really no point in even trying to hint at it now. It's even been stated in my games by other players that their win condition means nothing anymore.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This seems like a very special case particular to a specific game. Remind me to followup later, when a certain game has run its course.

True, that's more my fault for not putting it on the front of the thread. But generally, I don't want my threads derailed because people think they're waiting on me for something when they're not.

And that's a pretty good solution, sstralk. I keep meaning to either do that or put on the front page "The townie win condition is this" but I keep forgeting. :ermm:

[Thawmus]

I'd really like to think that my most recent modkills were pretty humorous.

I mean, what death could possibly be better than to be "BYAH!!!!"-ed to death?

[sstralkowski]

I'd really like to think that my most recent modkills were pretty humorous.

I mean, what death could possibly be better than to be "BYAH!!!!"-ed to death?

I'm thinking something with the term pajama-bananaramma-hammock would be good. That or something onvolving My Furley, a set of stairs, and a donkey on roller skates. Your choice really.