This IS Doomsday

[DTM]

Doomsday

Veteran
Point Cost: 263
Superman Enemy Team Affiliation
Range: 0
Arrows: 1


Speed: 8 8 8 7 7 7 6 6 6 5 5 KO
Attack: 12 11 11 10 10 10 9 9 9 8 8 KO
Defense: 17 17 16 16 15 15 15 14 14 14 13 KO
Damage: 5 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 KO

Now let the screaming begin, cause I know Im going to get SLAMMED for this one. Even though, I honestly believe this to be a really good and true representation of Doomsdays Veteran and most powerful form. Feel free to comment or YELL if you wish, as always Id be interested in hearing what you all have to say.

I know this HC carries a VERY LARGE point cost, but in all honesty HE SHOULD. This is DOOMSDAY were talking about, the Ultimate Physical Monster in DC. This form is even greater than the one that easily beat BOTH Superman and Darkseid, so you know hes got to be POWERFUL.

I gave him most of what WK did, with the notable exception of CCE. I DO NOT believe it should have been given to Doomsday, since he does his Massive Damage thru his brute physical strength, not thru any martial arts or fighting training. Sure he can FIGHT, definately with the best of them, hence the High AVs, but hes not one to know pressure points or strike at nerve endings, something I think CCE was created for in the first place. He is a brawler, he is brutal, he is savage, but I truly dont believe thats what CCE is all about.

Of course he has Charge, we see him doing it all the time in the comics, and hes actually quite fast for a being his size. Hes even comparable to Superman in the overall agility department. When Charge runs out I gave him something WK totally forgot to, Leap/Climb. Thats HOW he gets around, its what he does, ala the Hulk. I have no idea how this power skipped right over the heads of WK. Of course hes packed with Super Strength, since he IS the strongest villian in the DC universe, non cosmic entities of course. Gave him Impervious and Toughness as WK did, but I raised his Defense numbers since his old ones, especially for his Veteran, REALLY STUNK. Heck, hes almost completely SOLID, and everyones most powerful blows were just bouncing off him, surely this rates higher than a Maximum 16 Defense for this form. Also added alittle Regeneration at the end, to simulate how his body adapts to what is being used against it, and just for his overall healing capabilities, which he did exhibit even in his Experienced form. Battle Fury at the end to truly portray how savage and brutal this beast is when fighting. And of course, much higher Damage stats. Again, this is the physcially strongest villian DC has, he shouldnt just be doing 5 due to his CCE, which can easily be Outwitted. Hey, when Bane does as much damage as Doomsday, then you KNOW somethings wrong.

Now for those of you who think hes TOO POWERFUL, I say read his appearances and really see how truly tough and unstoppable he is. Even though, I didnt make him UNKILLABLE or UNBEATABLE. Hes only alitttle over OWAW Superman, as he should be, and a group of 3 or so good characters could definately give him a run for his money, as it should be. Heck, Ill even say this to be a Unique Doomsday, to add cause why hes much tougher than his previous HCs. Now would we rather have watered down versions of the GIANTS of comics in their HC form, (Thanos, Magneto, Superman, Silver Surfer, etc) or do we want them to be who they really are? Ill pick who they are over a low point version each and every time.

[Veggiehater]

Hey DTM,

Actually your Doomsday looks about right, in fact I only have 2 minor problems with it...

1) Defense starts too high. Doomsday isn't exactly the most agile villain around he just takes the hits like a man and laughs them off while he's at it. That's what the Impervious is for (and lot's of it!), maybe lower it to 16 16 16 15 15 instead of what you have it as now.

2) Since you want your Doomsday to be an accurate representation, why not dump the SE team ability? It's not like Doomsday actually works with other villains (at least from what I remembered.

Again a nice Doomsday! Though I suggest you consider doing some minor tweaks. ;)

VH

[Rynth]

He worked with Cyborg after he was thrown into space.
He worked with Luthor during OW@W.
He worked with Luthor again after OW@W.
He recently worked with Darksied in Apokalips Now

Doomsday's working with someone is different than the traditional working with someone; he is used more as an attack dog/distraction.

I would lower the defense when he is impervious, but raise it when he gets to toughness. Maybe something like 16 16 16 15 15 17 16 16 15 14 13

[DTM]

Yeah, I was thinking about the Anti Supes team ability, especially since its quite expensive. But I guess he is a MAJOR thorn in pretty much ONLY Supermans side, I put it in there anyway. Not so much for use of the actual ability in team play, but more because he REALLY HATES Superman. lol Oh, and dont knock Doomsdays agility either. Hes been quoted as being in Supermans ballpark, PLUS having a super strong nearly solid body, makes me to believe this form would have a starting 18 Defense (as such characters as Juggernaut -also very slow, Ultron and Thanos) It does drop pretty quickly, with only one click of that and one of 17 afterwards. Buy hey, thanks alot for your overall praise of this version, I hope we start seeing some more higher costed/better represented HCs in the future.

[Veggiehater]

Originally posted by Rynth
He recently worked with Darksied in Apokalips Now


Rynth,

AAAAAHHHH! Why'd you have to spoil it! I've yet to read the comic (gonna pick up my copy tomorrow) :p

But anyway... point conceded the team ability could work for Doomsday, I was just trying to point out that having no team ability could work equally well with him. :)

DTM,

I wasn't knocking Doomsday's agility, I remember when (was it Booster Gold?) quoted "he's as quick as the Flash!" or something to that extent in the Death of Superman saga. ;)

Still if Big Blue ended up with a 16 max on his impervious clicks I don't see Doomsday getting 2 better. I don't really recall Doomsday taking any conscious efforts at trying to avoid an attack directed towards him anyway. Maybe Rynth has the right idea, up Doomy's defense after he drops the Imperv. That way you can depict his agility without making him too insane. :)

VH

[DTM]

Hmmmm, maybe youre right. Just to keep him alittle more into the DC line of HCs, Ill go lower his first click to 17. I think he at least deserves that. As for the raising of the numbers from Impervious to Toughness, I personally dont much like making characters as such. I know DC does it that way, and again maybe I should follow suit to keep this Doomsday in line with other DC guys, but i just dont see the reasoning of why that would actually happen. Superman gets hit so badly he loses his Primary body armor, therefore when gaining his secondary body armor his Defense value goes up? I dont much follow. It has to do with DC giving there guys too low a Defense number I think to start, so when mid point of their dial comes and they switch from Impervious to Toughness, they have to find a way to even if out alittle. Personally, myself, Id rather see them start higher (I mean come on, Supermans highest DV is 16??) and just have them decrease gradually as they take damage, as Marvel does. As always, thanks for the feedback guys.

[DoomsDay74]

Doomsday should have an 18 defense and so should Superman. The strongest Marvel characters have 18 defense and that should be used for balance. This notion that impervious should have lowered stats just cuze it has super senses included is wrong. Outwit is used so much in Hero Clix it makes impervious and invulnerability even power. Besides the fact that Doomsday and Superman already have real high point values anyway. I agree that Doomsday shouldnt have CCE. He shoulda had a straight 5 for a few clicks. Doomsday also evolves quickly during a fight making me believe it woulda been more accurate to make his numbers start medium and then raise them higher similar to the Hulks. However almost all of DC's characters stats were made so much lower then any seen in both Marvel sets making me believe that had to be done for a reason. Doomsday rookie starting out at 14 Defense is the biggest defense value error in the game.

[MidnigherApoll]

I dn't know that Suerman could beat this Doomsday. And since Superman has beaten Doomsday several times now, I think this figure's too strong. That's how I see it, although they probably made Superman too weak.

[DTM]

Superman has beaten Doomsday several times now? I dont remember he even beating him once really. Well, with the exception of their first meeting, but Superman died because of it, and Doomsday, by the nature of his powers, has evolved to a more powerful state by his Exp and Vet.

[CaptainCarl]

maybe the r/e/v supes cant but i can see LE supes givin this doomsday a run for his money and finishing him off to boot

hss with flight and ranged is crazy but thats how its should be supes wins in the end =) the doomsday is pretty awsome though and i do want to see powerful clixs represented with high point values

of the 10-12 uniques i would like to see 1-2 of these characters breakin the 200 barrier

hulk did it and in the next set we may see a GL member doin it as well

i know their not tourney since most tourneys are 200 and 300 pts but for the fun and care free environments super villains with minions are awsome against a squad of heros =)

thecaptain

[CyberVenom]

If you're trying to get super accurate, should't his first click or two have no powers and be really weak, since he was trapped?

[Cody]

Doomsday should have B/C/F. Also he should have a range attack since I have seen him shoot bones out of his knuckles.

[weaponX-111]

i agree that doomsday should have a range... the l.e. superman could be too much for him in combat, doomsday would keep pushing tryin to hit superman.

[TheFreak]

What about when Brainiac took over Doomsday's body?? Doomsday with range and psychic blast...