Thunderbolts and Defenders?

[spaffler]

if i have some avengers T-Bolted to defenders do they get a benefit from being adjacent to an actual Defenders team member? or is it someone with the Avengers TA also T-bolted? i just want to clarify

[SFBull]

The t-bolted avengers can both get and give their defensive value to other "natural" defenders. They are treated as if they actually "possess" the selected team ability unlike wildcards that can only "use" team abilities possessed by teammates.

[spaffler]

The t-bolted avengers can both get and give their defensive value to other "natural" defenders. They are treated as if they actually "possess" the selected team ability unlike wildcards that can only "use" team abilities possessed by teammates.

Alright thanks, thats very good to know. and so i could make an even better Defenders team than usual by T-bolting the 20 defense Antman to defenders, because i believe the highest defense of a natural defenders piece is 19. so that shared 20 defense in say a 1000 colossal scenario would be helpful

[lancelot]

Alright thanks, thats very good to know. and so i could make an even better Defenders team than usual by T-bolting the 20 defense Antman to defenders, because i believe the highest defense of a natural defenders piece is 19. so that shared 20 defense in say a 1000 colossal scenario would be helpful

this is nothing new and in fact one of the oldest forms of abuse w/ Thunderbolts.

meh.

[Spectre328]

one of the oldest and best tricks is to have Supernova Thor VET Thunderbolted to defenders and carry Antman around. And put protected on Antman.

[BigSoph]

Thunderbolts and Defenders
One real, one pretender
LE, Hallelujah, hallelujah
Magnificoo-o-o-o-o-o-o-ooo
I'm just a poor boy, give me some super rares
No, I will not let them go
Let them go-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!

[Rurouni KJS]

Thunderbolts and Defenders
One real, one pretender
LE, Hallelujah, hallelujah
Magnificoo-o-o-o-o-o-o-ooo
I'm just a poor boy, give me some super rares
No, I will not let them go
Let them go-o-o-o-o-o-o-o-o!

Mama mia...!

[Quebbster]

Alright thanks, thats very good to know. and so i could make an even better Defenders team than usual by T-bolting the 20 defense Antman to defenders, because i believe the highest defense of a natural defenders piece is 19. so that shared 20 defense in say a 1000 colossal scenario would be helpful
18 actually. Jakeem Thunder has a 19 defense and the JSA TA, perhaps you are thinking about him?
And while we are on the subject... a real old-school combo is E Black Adam and Ant-Man thunderbolted to JSA.

[bullseye100]

Can you list characters that have been made w/ Defenders team ability. And what characters from Thunderbolts have they made? This is for my own purposes....

[normalview]

Can you list characters that have been made w/ Defenders team ability. And what characters from Thunderbolts have they made? This is for my own purposes....

Just go to the units section. You can search for TAs, keywords, whatever.

[bullseye100]

Just go to the units section. You can search for TAs, keywords, whatever.

thank you

filler

[Harkonnen13]

Just go to the units section.

...which is wholly responsible for my Heroclix addiction and spending hundreds of $$ in the last few months.

Beware.

[themonkey]

...which is wholly responsible for my Heroclix addiction and spending hundreds of $$ in the last few months.

Beware.

Tell me about it...

Cheapest Batman alley... got to have that.

18 point piece with 12 movement phasing... got to have that.

A generic with willpower, flight, and stealth... got to have that.

etc...
ect...
ect...

[Harkonnen13]

Tell me about it...

Cheapest Batman alley... got to have that.

18 point piece with 12 movement phasing... got to have that.

A generic with willpower, flight, and stealth... got to have that.

etc...
ect...
ect...

...and though that one Silver Surfer doesn't seem too playable I have the others, might as well get that one too. Check it out, Incredible Hulk has the Avengers TA NEED that...

[spaffler]

...and though that one Silver Surfer doesn't seem too playable I have the others, might as well get that one too. Check it out, Incredible Hulk has the Avengers TA NEED that...

and while we're at it, i see that dc Ares almost useless, but he is worth maybe $50, so gotta get him to show off, and chase bats, i have one, why not the other...

It is an addiction

[Harkonnen13]

We need help. 12 step group anyone?

[spaffler]

We need help. 12 step group anyone?

Maybe we can get Healthcare coverage for an addiction? it will only take 18 months before we see a doctor! then we're set

[spaffler]

18 actually. Jakeem Thunder has a 19 defense and the JSA TA, perhaps you are thinking about him?
And while we are on the subject... a real old-school combo is E Black Adam and Ant-Man thunderbolted to JSA.

Its an LE Ant-Man from Infinity Challenge. No sculpt, 5 clicks, full stealth and Avengers TA. i Have my addiction to the Units section to thank for not looking like an idiot! :grin:

[lancelot]

Its an LE Ant-Man from Infinity Challenge. No sculpt, 5 clicks, full stealth and Avengers TA. i Have my addiction to the Units section to thank for not looking like an idiot! :grin:

Q was actually responding to your mention of the highest DV of a Defender was 19...it's actually 18 on a few of the Defenders (V Valkyrie being my favorite!).

The highest Defender/JSA is 19 on Jakeem's 2nd click.

[The7ofDiamonds]

Ant Man is even more brutal with my card, Takedown. Stealth + Takedown + high defense = brutal.

[spaffler]

Q was actually responding to your mention of the highest DV of a Defender was 19...it's actually 18 on a few of the Defenders (V Valkyrie being my favorite!).

The highest Defender/JSA is 19 on Jakeem's 2nd click.

Oh, i misunderstood. thanks. and ive had to fight that Valkyrie before, its not fun. well actually it is, but its very difficult to kill when that Defenders Hulk is running around with an 18 defense getting in the way.

[normalview]

Oh, i misunderstood. thanks. and ive had to fight that Valkyrie before, its not fun. well actually it is, but its very difficult to kill when that Defenders Hulk is running around with an 18 defense getting in the way.

Actually, I was playing the E Valkyrie against you... so with the Defenders chain from Sentinel of the Skyway's she had a 20 DV in close thanks to Combat Reflexes ;)

At that point, I am pretty sure you would have preferred it if I was playing the Vet Valkyrie (with a mere 18 DV and Toughness :p).

[Quebbster]

Actually, I was playing the E Valkyrie against you... so with the Defenders chain from Sentinel of the Skyway's she had a 20 DV in close thanks to Combat Reflexes ;)

At that point, I am pretty sure you would have preferred it if I was playing the Vet Valkyrie (with a mere 18 DV and Toughness :p).

Sometimes I miss the days when V Valkyrie was the only way to get an 18D on a Defenders team. Not a lot though - the E IMO has a better power set, so it's good she can get an 18 from Namor or the Sentinel.

[zero_cochrane]

One of the strengths of the Defenders line-up is that you can easily fit multiple 18s on a team. Unlike a typical JSA team, where you just have to hit the highest defence to make every other character manageable, a Defenders team will often retain an 18 defence for most of the game.

One of my favourite Defenders lineups (IC Hulk, SI Namor, SI Dr Strange, and Sentinel of the Skyways) has three 18s to share around - even Dr. Strange can share his 18 due to the Defend power. It's a very solid team.
Sometimes I miss the days when V Valkyrie was the only way to get an 18D on a Defenders team. Not a lot though - the E IMO has a better power set, so it's good she can get an 18 from Namor or the Sentinel.Unique Silver Surfer (Critical Mass) was actually the first Defender with an 18 defence, and he's currently one of four. Vet Valkyrie is the cheapest, but Namor and Sentinel of the Skyways contribute more to a team.

[Quebbster]

Unique Silver Surfer (Critical Mass) was actually the first Defender with an 18 defence, and he's currently one of four. Vet Valkyrie is the cheapest, but Namor and Sentinel of the Skyways contribute more to a team.
I tend to overlook that Surfer as I've never been able to fit him on a team. Sentinel of the Skyways is the Silver Surfer that best fits my style of play...

[zero_cochrane]

Oh absolutely, Sentinel of the Skyways is the best Silver Surfer to play on any Defenders team, followed by the experienced Surfer from Supernova and then the CM unique coming in third.

But prior to Sinister-Supernova-Avengers (a block that was very good to the Defenders) there was a paucity of characters with the Defenders TA, the unique Silver Surfer was a solid choice. I liked to play him carrying Hellcat or Patsy Walker, and Perplexed by experienced Beast. :classic:

[Quebbster]

But prior to Sinister-Supernova-Avengers (a block that was very good to the Defenders) there was a paucity of characters with the Defenders TA, the unique Silver Surfer was a solid choice. I liked to play him carrying Hellcat or Patsy Walker, and Perplexed by experienced Beast. :classic:
I didn't get to play much during those days. :(

[WhoaDirty]

Q was actually responding to your mention of the highest DV of a Defender was 19...it's actually 18 on a few of the Defenders (V Valkyrie being my favorite!).

The highest Defender/JSA is 19 on Jakeem's 2nd click.

And The Spectre on his second click as well?

[zero_cochrane]

I didn't get to play much during those days. :(Well, in my opinion the game only got better; in terms of character availability and balanced rules, post-Fantastic Four is a golden age. People still find things to complain about, but I feel that HeroClix has improved a lot over the years.

[spaffler]

Actually, I was playing the E Valkyrie against you... so with the Defenders chain from Sentinel of the Skyway's she had a 20 DV in close thanks to Combat Reflexes ;)

At that point, I am pretty sure you would have preferred it if I was playing the Vet Valkyrie (with a mere 18 DV and Toughness :p).

Thats right, it was the Code Blue event, or something like that.. and yeah, the Vet would have been easier to manage, but we dont all get what we want.

And my favorite pieces to use with Defenders are Arachne with T-bolts, being carried by Hawkeye, so he has a 18 def with ES/D. and Ant-Man being carried by Black Knight, 18 or 20, depending on which ant-Man, and toughness. Add Baron Zemo with Contingency Plan and your mastermind Fodder is usually harder to kill than he is.

Mockingbird with Ant-Man is always a fun way to use less than 100 points. 20 def with Combat reflexes hiding behind a 20 Def Baron Zemo is always fun.

of course these all cant be together due to the feat restrictions, but just a few are deadly. my favorite is definitely using Baron Zemo with his fodder making him better, and contingency plan on himself for attack boosting.

i just wanted to make sure that this was legal before trying it in the upcoming tournaments im planning for.

But these are all avengers, because i dont have very many defenders yet. Sentinel of the Skyways, Valkyrie, and a few others i saw are very good too. cant wait to get and use them

[zero_cochrane]

If you're building up a collection of Defenders, the best to focus on are:
Sentinel of the Skyways: Fortunately you already have him. :classic:

SI Namor: He's the Defenders' powerhouse, and he's still cheap enough to build a team around. If you could only have two Defenders I'd recommend these first two; they made the top 8 at a major conventin tournament by themselves. Namor is also keyword-friendly to multiple Defenders TA affiliations (Defenders, Invaders, and All-Winners Squad).

SI Dr Strange: He doesn't have the team ability, but with Defend on his first click he can lend out an 18 :d-shield: when required, and as a wildcard he can borrow another Defender's defence value when required, so it works just as well. Long range artillery and support all in one.

SN Valkyrie (EV): Both are helpful in different ways; if your force already has a decent number of 18 :d-shield: characters then the experienced gives you superior damage-dealing potential, whereas the veteran has the cheapest 18 :d-shield: by nearly fifty points.

ULT Hellcat (V): Fantastically cheap with a strong attack value and 4 damage when she uses Close Combat Expert. Super Senses on top of a borrowed defence value will frustrate attempts to take her out. I haven't had a chance to try her with Lunge yet, but you can bet that I will. :grin:

AV Gargoyle: He was on a lot of winning teams during the Coming of Galactus tournaments, mostly because he can push to Probability Control and has a seven-click dial with Regeneration to help extend it. He's fairly cheap and has some versatility as a secondary attacker or a support piece.

SV Silver Surfer (E): When you want to splash out on points, use this Surfer instead of Sentinel of the Skyways. He loses the 18 :d-shield:, but his first five clicks are all exceptionally dangerous and he has some Regeneration to help extend the ten-click dial. He's a little underpowered at 189 points, sadly.

IC Hulk (E): Sadly this is the only Hulk we have with the Defenders TA. He's not great, but with some high combat values down his dial he makes a great meatshield or Warbound partner. Only two clicks of Battle Fury makes him a better choice than the EV Hulk from Mutant Mayhem.

SN Kyle Richmond (LE): Very similar to the veteran Nighthawk, but I feel that the Limited Edition figure edges him out with early Close Combat Expert instead of Leadership. With Charge, Super Strength, and Willpower, Kyle Richmond can strike for four damage in one turn and then another four damage in the next. You could use the veteran if you have points to spend on something like Contingency Plan, but as either version of Nighthawk is likely to suffer a bit of damage, there's no guarantee you'll get your points worth there.

I've left out any Invaders, Guardians of the Galaxy, or Squadron Supreme members; while all three of those lineups are rpetty strong, they don't thematically mix with the actual Defenders. Pick them up and play them seperately rather than mixing them together.

[spaffler]

If you're building up a collection of Defenders, the best to focus on are:

I've left out any Invaders, Guardians of the Galaxy, or Squadron Supreme members; while all three of those lineups are rpetty strong, they don't thematically mix with the actual Defenders. Pick them up and play them seperately rather than mixing them together.

Well i will definitely get my hands on some of those. i have the gargoyle, and can get the hulk pretty easily. yeah, once i get some of these figs i will definitely let you know how effective they are. and if you wanna trade any i am more than willing to trade whatever i have (mostly) for some of those guys.