TK ...is this correct?

[admironheart]

Hello,

After re-reading the TK rules again I crossed upon something that caught my eye.

Soaring characters cannot be adjacent to objects and thus cannot use them.

the rules for describing TK state that the character must be adjacent or 'in the same square'.

So does this mean that soaring TK characters such as Magneto can toss around any object that is in his square?
And if so...How many objects can you put in one square?

thanks
wes

[The Stinger]

Nope.

Soaring Characters can only affect other soaring characters. If you want to TK an object or figure, you must revert back to hovering status before doing so.

Soaring Characters cannot be adjacent to anything but other soaring figures, and as the rules state, you MUST BE ADJACENT to an object or figure to TK, Taxi, or pick up an object.

Only one object per square, you can either position your figure in the space the object is in to pick it up, (or hide behind if you have stealth...) or you can pick up the object simply be being adjacent to it.

If a figure is in base to base contact with another figure and has control of an object, the figure MUST use the object in its attack per the rules. Barring any special circumstances, the object is destroyed and removed from the field whether the attack was successful or not. The only exception to this that i know of is the Indestructible dumpster from the adventure pack.

[admironheart]

I am not worried about the 'adjacent' part of the rules.
We all know that Soaring figs can only be adjacent to other soaring figs.

BUT
the main rules state that the object must be adjacent OR in the same square.
In the same square is not adjacent. Adjacent is described as the 8 squares 'around' the center square in the main rules.

The PAC and FAQ only clarify some issues relating to 'adjacent' questions. There is no mention about the 'or in the same square' which in my opinion is altogether different from adjacent and supersedes all notions about being adjacent.

any comments

wes

[admironheart]

This would mean that Magneto soaring could TK the object in his square...{since that follows the main rules stipulation} to somewhere else...

...this could be just to move an object
...this could be an attack vs other soaring figs
...this could NOT be an attack vs grounded/hovering figs because of the main soaring rules.

This is how it is worded. Do I stand corrected??

wes

[admironheart]

Hmmm,

there have been no response from any moderaters yet.

Is it that there is no interest or just no comment?

It is one of those quirks in the game mechanics much like Soaring.

A soaring fig is supposed to be quite high yet his square still blocks LOF between grounded figs.

The TK rules were written around the issue of 'adjacent' and
'in the same square'

It appears the 'in the same square' gets around the 'adjacent' issues and benefits a Soaring Tk'r occupying that very square.

...at least by the letter of the written rule.

wes

[HeroComplex]

Marvel FAQ
Soaring characters can only be adjacent to other soaring characters. This means that a soaring character cannot pick up an object or character and can only use Telekenesis on another soaring character. Sorry, even with that extra clause it doesn't work out.

[scowlingone]

From the PAC:

"TELEKINESIS. This character can use a close combat attack to move another figure or object. The object can be used as a weapon. (Optional) Give this character a close combat action. The attack does no damage. If the attack is successful, move the target figure up to 10 squares in any direction, ignoring hindering terrain and figure bases. This character must have a clear line of fire to the destination square. This character may also move friendly figures and objects in squares adjacent to him (without making an attack roll). The target figure or object may not be placed in blocking terrain. This character may use Telekinesis in order to use an object as a weapon (see the Objects section of the rulebook)."

There's nothing there about being in the same square. The written rule says very specifically that the model must be adjacent to the character or object.

A model in the same square as an object is considered adjacent. However, soaring models can only be adjacent to other soaring models.

Therefore, a soaring model in the same square as an object is not adjacent. Hence, no TK.

[HeroComplex]

scowlingone, the line in question is from the rulebook's TK section, not the PAC.