500 pt teams! Is there a definite winner out there???

[blueleader]

Ok, the tournament i mention earlier in my previous post referred to a upcoming 500 pt Marvel tourny.

1.) The match only consist of 2 rounds.
2.) Firelords and uniques are a go. And yes these people take advantage of using the firelords.
3.) For this match, (Tell me if i'm wrong) The person who moves first has the advantage and they need to hit hard and fast.
4.) And what should i change if i end up playing on a indoors map?

So, I was thinking of mixing in........

Wasp U 44pts
Firelord E x3 81 pts
Black Panther R x2 27 pts
Sabertooth E 51 pts

Total= 392 so far

and i'm having trouble filling in the remainder pts. I don't know if i should throw a Black cat E 32 in and some doombots or a Wolverine U or I don't know? Any help you guys have given has been great so i find myself coming back here to ask time and time again.

Thanks:D

[magneto_13]

vet magneto does four damage and has leadership also free movement.

[magneto_13]

whoops almost forgot has telekenisis too to throw sabretooth into battle

[blueleader]

Hmmm, I didn't think about Magneto V, Can he throw Sabertooth around corners? Not to sure on the logistics on Telekinisis.

[magneto_13]

I just use him a lot and if your looking to do a lot of damage on your first couple of turns hes your guy. Just my opinion...I could be wrong. How about Mr. Fixit for some added muscle brings total to 496?:p

[Phil Dixon]

Just thinking as I type...If you win the dice roll, you want to short-board, if you lose, you have to assume your opponent will do the same...If you roll Leadership both turns, you'll have at most 12 actions to use...best Leadership figure in this format is Vet Doombot - cheapish, free-move taxi, respectable attack, Toughness...two gives a 75% chance of Leadership, three 87.5%.

OK, let's see how that adds up. Let's say 4 E Firelords, an E Wasp, 2 Vet 'bots and a Vulture. That costs 324 + 33 + 76 + 15, for a total of 448, and gives a serious strike capability. Hmmm. Maybe you don't need Leadership after all. 3 Wasps might be better.

To defend against shortboarding by the opposition I suggest human shields. You could afford 6 Thugs and a Medic, but Energy Explosion might be a problem there. A trio of strategically placed Vultures, and a single Thug, might be a better deal. The Vultures should start the game Soaring, to force the opponent to move closer.

[USAgent]

My favorite 500pt team to use is one that has rarely failed me, also one that has been copied by the ppl i play with.

Unique Flash 101
Nightcrawler 85
V Nightwing 72
V Black Panther 46
2 R Harley Quinns 54
2 R Avalanches 38
V Doc Oct 66
Le Scientist Supreme 23
R Hydra Medic 12


The basic idea is to change up a barrier every turn using one of the Avalanches to keep your team protected, perplex up the Flash and Nightcrawler when needed send em out hit hard and fast then pull em back to the safe area, Doc Oct is an excellent peice, i usually send him across the field of battle to assasinate the oppesing teams medics. Meanwhile Black Panther and Nightwing wreak havoc by outwitting to make the Flash and Nightcrawlers hits count, at the same time Nightwing incapacitates enemies so they are stuck allowing for another pounding from the Flash or Nightcrawler and Black Panther is no slouch, blades/claws/fangs can put a hurt on alot of figures.

I made the team so its able to change around as well, i'll pull out U Flash and put in a V flash, pull out Nightwing and add Another Doc Oct.

[blueleader]

Awesome idea phil, but i'm 1 E Firelord too short.

And US AGENT, your team is pretty mean, the tourney is Marvel only so i'm not allowed to use Flash or Harleys.....

But despite some Freetime at work..... i did some number crunching, (I'm in Financing and had nothing better to do, lol) I came up with this:

Wasp U 44
Firelord x3 243
Doombot V 38
Black Panther R 27
Black Cat 32
Wasp E 33
Sabertooth E 51
Yellow Jacket 32
Total = 500pts.

Keep in mind there is only two rounds in this thing, where you need to score as many points as you can in those 2 rounds.

In your professional HC opinions, What do you think my chances are?

[dolemite199]

blueleader,

If you want to accumulate VP's as fast as possible you should try this.

3 Exp. Firelord (243pts)
3 Exp. Wasp (99pts)
1 Uni. Wasp (44pts)
1 Uni. Electra (36pts)
2 Exp. Black Panther (72pts)

494pts.

This is really abusive cheese, but it will be extremely effective. The reaosn for two BP's is the fact that in big point games like the one your going to play are the amount of deep dial invulnerable figs. Sure Firelord can deal three clicks after inv., but when that is outwitted you can severly hurt those figures. Not to mention you can shut down Firelord pretty easily with two stealthed outwitters. Enjoy.

P.S. I would never play something this abusive. It kind of takes the strategic fun out of the game. But to each there own. You said help, and so I have.

later,

- Zeb

[blueleader]

Dam Zeb, that's straight up NASTY!!!!!:eek:

I'll have to sleep on it a lot. The weight of winning that way or toughing it out.......... so many ways to go so many choices... anyone else have any more thoughts?

[Phil Dixon]

Zeb has some good ideas there. Unique Elektra is definitely a good addition, but the Panthers are purely for Outwit, so Rookies are a better deal, especially as they move for free. Likewise, the Vet Doombot is a better deal for Leadership than Unique Wasp. That's if you need Leadership at all, and I'm not convinced you do.

Don't forget to buy some mobile terrain. You can't rely on winning the first dice roll.

[Heretic]

how about spiral for the flurry and bcf. Potential for big damage and she may not last long in a normal game, but in a two round, she could be devestating. Just TK her into battle w/ a R mandroid armour and if you have wasp and doombot all the better because you can use wasp to carry mandroid -free move- and mandroid to tk spiral, then carried mandroid tk's spiral into battle.

[TheClayBottle]

My favorite 500pt team to use is one that has rarely failed me, also one that has been copied by the ppl i play with.

Unique Flash 101
Nightcrawler 85
V Nightwing 72
V Black Panther 46
2 R Harley Quinns 54
2 R Avalanches 38
V Doc Oct 66
Le Scientist Supreme 23
R Hydra Medic 12


Hey USAgent,
You played a 500 pt game last night and didn't use any of those characters (except for the (V) Black Panther and the (R) Medic. You played that crazy Thanos/OWAW Superman combo. Bring on Flash and The 'Crawler!
;)

[blueleader]

nice team again, but i dont have a Nightcrawler, and the tournament is Marvel only, it's in 3 days too. So if anyone sees any weaknesses in my team, please feel free to cap away!!!!:D

[blueleader]

Being a new player and all, how does my team fair in a indoor map?

Wasp U 44
Firelord x3 243
Doombot V 38
Black Panther R 27
Black Cat 32
Wasp E 33
Sabertooth E 51
Yellow Jacket 32
Total = 500pts.

[Dartagnnon]

could try something different! I find firelord sometimes to be too many points in one place and in a two round game loosing an 80ish point character might be a bad thing!

Try this!

Bullseye(v) X 4 172
Black Panther(r) X 2 54
Blackcat(e) X 2 64
Adrian Toomes(LE) 30
Human Torch(v) X 2 146
Wasp(e) 33
499 Total

That gives you several hitters with a couple of rerolls each round and if you go second and they hit you hard you don't loose too many points in one pop! You will be short on actions if everyone tries to hit but you will be able to attack with two bullseyes each round and at least one human torch at least! Is there a round limit on the two games, or a time limit on the games?

[blueleader]

Not bad, Dart, but I don't have a Adrian Toomes LE. As a matter of fact, my friend and i just played a DC tourney 300 pts. We were the only ones that showed up. We played and i won, so i got my first 2 LE's, I forgot the names, Selena (catwoman) i think and the mad hatter LE. My friend got one as well. I got the spoils but only to a lack of competition. Not to mention we had to wait an hour and a half for a dam Poki-mon tourney to finish.

But back to your post Dart. I would rather have 1 fire lord E with a Wasp U (for leadership) and a Logan E and possibly a R Vuture instead of two human torches. Am i wrong to feel this way????? Please straighten me out or give me a good reason as to why i'm wrong!

[Dartagnnon]

OK Blue,
Here is my opinion and it is just that so in no way is it fool proof! The V human torch is only 73pts that gives you a move of 10 with running shot with a range of 10 spaces on the attack dial for 3 damage very respectful. If Human torch is carring bullseye that means that you can get two shots off at 10 spaces with them both nice punch. firelord has a 12 move but you won't be using it because he can't move and hit at the same time. The damage and high defense is great but one good hit and he isn't any better than a V bullseye and he can be out ranged. his range is an 8 so if you use wasp or vulture your strike range is 17 spaces, if your playing outdoors you going to be at a slight disavantage. If using a flyer with 10 move bullseye has a strike range of 21 spaces! Very nice! and lord help the fella that gets within that range because human torch is going to running shot them and then bullseye is going to follow up! AS for the leadership maybe you need it and maybe you don't. Logan is a very nice choice but I think that his V version is much better( 2 clicks of B/C/F with 2 clicks of Flury of blows. ) for 11 more points and an extra health level! The trouble of tring to be both ranged and close combat in one game is you end up fighting close combat and that isn't any good on your tactics if half your army is designed for ranged. Another point you should look at is your opposition will probably have two outwits and if your playing with 4 bullseyes and 2 human torches then he has to decide what to use the outwits on and that leaves alot of choices! With 2 firelords and some other smack I bet I know what choices your opponet will make! and Again your left with 2 bullseyes for 162 points.

If you are going for a close combat team look into V She-Hulks and V Logans with with a wasp or two! I serisouly think you should either choose close or ranged tactics! I haven't seen too many combo teams work! Good luck!

[ontapmedia]

Let it be said ....
Blueleader is better then he's leading you to believe. He Kicked my @$$ not once, not twice, not three times but a whopping total of yes count em , 1, 2, 3, FOUR times. We played twice at a really poorly run tourney at Wizards of the Coast. 300 point DC. Seriously in the first of these I gave him a good run for his money. MVP was U Gordon who took out E Flash. (It was classic) :)
That was seriously my highlight reel of the Tourney. So sad.

Secong game was not noteworthy on my end.

Then we took the game to Blueleader's Secret headquarters. That's where the pain truly began.
We decided to get some practice in for Monday Night's 500 point tournament that he has been looking for advice for.

Three Freaking Firelord's. Three of Em?!? :) It was brutal
We were using the Indoor Adventure Map (yeah you know the map that has a house with a bed the same size as the toliet bowl. WTF??? Anyway We both lined up and Blueleader had the pool up his end.

My plan was fairly simple and so apparently was I. I had V Doombot, V Mandroid, E Firelord, U Spiral, V Sabrettoth, V Scarlet Witch, V AIM Medic, E Quicksilver, U Wasp, V Thug, U Titania.
I figured sure he has THREE FREAKIN' FIRELORDS. SO what !!! Once I get Spiral, Sabretooth and titania up close it isn't gonna matter. I also had the idea that because he had his U Wasp and 1 Firelord close together that I could have mandroid TK Doombot V up field and then have Doombot Energy Explosion Firelord and as a result give
Wasp a click of Damage.

That would have worked too if my dice rolling was not so horrible instead I missed (grumble... grumble) and had to try to hide Doombot behind a computer in the backyard.or maybe it was the TV or the gumball machine. Does it matter no. Because the Firelord number 2 takes a shot at me and kills Doombot with RCE for 5 clix.

This was the second round and Doombot had fallen. S#### metal littered the field.

I decided that It was time to change tatics. As it stood he had three Firelord line up across the back yard with a rookie Black Panther to outwit Toughness and or invulnerbility. My new plan was to go through the house. Titania picked up a mailbox and made a run into the house where she was confronted by his V. Sabretooth who was taxied by Yellowjacket.

Sabretooth did his BCF attack and made Titania drop her mailbox. I had Mandroid TK Scarlet Witch up to a side door where I had thought she might be helpful. (Bad decision)I had Spiral go that way too thinking she could maybe engange Sabretooth to get the attention off Titania. Then yet another Firelord sent a barrier that cut off my access to the hallway leading Spiral to his Sabretooth. GRRRRRR!!! #### you Firelord

In the next round I put Quicksilver in the way so that he too was base to base with Titania and Sabretooth. I needed someone to be a shield for Titania I also thought his Energy Reflection and a couple of object acting as hindering terrain would work to my advantage. It helped but not much. Spiral made a mad dash across the Backyard doorway and manged to go base 2 base with yellowjacket while being out of his #### Firelords range.

This was gonna be my turnin point. Then Yellowjacket attacked Spiral. He nailed a critical hit which hit Spiral and sent her 2 spaces back into a wall. (can you say shocking?!? If not try infuriating.) :)

My pieces one by one were killed. I blame Wasp because it could not have possibly been my own fault.

I swear upon all that I hold Sacred Blueleader shall be destroyed next time!!!

lol seriously it was a great game and honestly I did much better the next game after killing his sandman. :) he still killed me but I died with a few moments of victory under my belt namely Sandman, Sabretooth and Black Panther. :)

Till next time, - T.

[ontapmedia]

They censored S C R A P as in s c rap metal. and the word D A m n as in hot d a m n!!! WTF?!?!? oh well.

[blueleader]

That was Great Action, Comedy, Drama, and a Challenge last night. I can't wait for Monday though. But i'm still trying to think of weaknesses for my team. I'm open to total criticism.

[Dartagnnon]

Blue,
Sounds like you know what your going to play so just go with it! the best team in the world will not win the tournement for you. Tactics will. I'll see you at GameEmpire tomarrow and we'll see if it works out for you! You could always play 5 sentinels. that would be a challenge! I think I am going to play a shield team! LOL!

[blueleader]

OH GREAT!! so this means you'll have the whole weekend to plan out a strategy, lol. well i'll just have to edit my team so you wont know what i'm going to bring to the table :)

[Dartagnnon]

Blue,
You know your not going to edit anything! The firelords are a good bet but you know in a 500 point game that is all your going to see everyone else playing, that and bullseyes LOL! I am serious that I think they are a hindrance more so than bullseye and human torches! I am off work all day tomorrow if you want to get together and play a practice game at Empire. I will use the list that I sugested to you and show you the strengths and weeknesses of your list. Write me an e-mail and I will call you or you can just give me a time. If you want just e-mail me and I will send you my phone # and you can call me! I am the blond haired man that brings his son to the tournements. [email protected]

[blueleader]

I have to give mad promps to Dart, he definitely proved to me that firelords are not the ultimate team. So i changed it up tonight and dropped one firelord E and the Black Cat, and picked up a Human torch V with two medics and an avalanche. I faired alot better than what i had earlier.

My first match i lost due to my opponet(spelling error, it's late) taking out torch and my Sabertooth in the first round. I shouldn't have donated them out in front so quickly. Anyhow. i ended up only losing by 15 points against some bullseyes, Ultron and some other wicked figures. He had a real nasty strategy using sinister sindicate powers and everything. I managed to do some killing in the end which saved my hide. But all in all i definitely learned from this match.

My next match i wiped out a team of Dr. Doom V, Ultron E, Annihilus E, and Bullseye V, also Aim medic V. I only lost my blue Yellow Jacket. I took out Ultron, then i went after Doom outwitting defenses the whole time. after Sabertooth and torch took damage from killing Ultron, i retreated with them and went after Doom with my two Firelords. I just had more moves over all and it turned out fruitful in my Favor.

I must overall, i would have lost my (donkey) if it weren't for Darts advice. I appreciate man. Hope to learn more on my next post for the DC match coming up. Blue

[ontapmedia]

I played Blue's opponent in the second round and my losing streak from this weekend continued.
It wasn't simply the syndicate ability that kicked my butt though.

I had heard about the power of Invisible girl and I hadnt seen it used in battle. She totally messed me up. His army of modified bullsyes, and Ultrons and Wirlwinds and Doombots just destroyed me. When all was said and done I had an unharmed V AIM Medic left and I had not managed to really dent his army.

His mods were really cool too. Not simply repaints. These were completely manipulated figures in new poses and in somecases appeard to be whole new figures. Mods are very cool but they can be awfully confusing during game play.

I was gonna get toasted regardless. His movement and placement was flawless. My only real sucessful attack was in round 8 when I just didnt care anymore. I had a V Avalanche, E Wasp, R Black Panther, U Wasp, and the survivor V AIM Medic. I knew I was'nt gonna make it and all I wanted at that point was to kill one of his Vultures.

I had Avalanche use pulse wave and it managed to take a click on two vultures and a bullseye. The invisible girl bumped some characters defenses up to 20. It was nearly impossible to roll 10-12's every round. I got beat but I learned alot watching him move and place his figures. Further I used some figures I hadn't yet so I had the chance to see tham work in a game.

So I'll write this one up as a learning experience.

DC 300 pt. next Monday. this'll take some thinking. Most people will probably play Batman teams I would think. I think I'm gonna try to be more creative. We've all seen the Batman stealth/outwit strategy. So far I'm thinking of just using some unconventional characters. So my plan this week is to learn some of the more obscure characters powers and dials. so far Superman team looks appealing but Superman is too expensive point wise so maybe we need to look at steel. 300 points doesnt go very far in DC. It's gonna take some thinking.

Blue: If your up for a game or 2.... or 3 :) this Weds. let me know.

RD: Your mods were fantastic. Thanks for killing me but teaching me something in the process.

Till next we meet, - T.

[Dartagnnon]

Just a quick thought for all to think about! A unique Flash and a couple R harlee Quin's will make a nice trio at 150 ish and that gives you a 20 move with hypersonic speed and you beef his damage up to 3....Can you say ouch! Batman can't hide from a 20 space mover. Carry him with a flyer and you can knock anyone around! That sould give you 30 move possibility!

[SLAYER X]

Just to start out this team is not tourney legal but it is fun to use against friends.
promo Batman 120
V nightwing 72
E whitqueen 80
V thor 187
E blackcat
491 point total

This team works well for me, Batman and nightwing provide cover with their outwit plus there ranged attacks. thor is the power house of the group, white queen uses the opponents strength against them and black cat is probabilty control plus use the batman team ability with her so people will have to chase her down if the want to take her out.

[blueleader]

Hey T,

I'm down for whatever and whenever. So you make the time and place, (dont mind mine or yours). And Dart, if you get a break in the evening during the week also and want to exercise your theories, give me a notice a day in advance and i'll meet you at (the Place :D ).

Dart, again you amaze me with your complex strategies that you conjure.

And RD, your one nasty Mo Fo when it comes to tournement play. All i can say is you and Dart from what i see, (And I can't leave out your Witful Daughter) bring MASS competition with many others to the tourney. I must say it's very intense and exciting playing against all of you. Yes including Ontapmedia, despite his current win/loss streak. Your gonna be very scary when you hit your stride man.

Slayer X, Very nice team. Good mix. But what can you come up with as far as 300 pts. in DC only. It'll be interesting to hear what you come up with your imagination.

Final note, Please keep posting here, but i'm gonna move the DC 300pt. post over to DC Battleplans ppl. Hope get your responses in either place.:)

[ontapmedia]

Hey I won a game .....

:) Finally ..... (sigh)

I played the girlfriend and she actually played really well. I liked Darth's idea and decided to try it out it was really good for me. We were actually playing a 600 point DC game.

Swamp Thing rules by the way. I never knew how good he was. He really is a monster. Truly under-rated. I used 2 E Harley's positioned on opposite roof corners to best be able to get line of site to Flash. I used E Booster Gold and E Steel along with a V Checkmate Medic, E Aquaman, V Robin, V Hawk and V Dove.

Hawk and Dove also very good.

Flash U was my only loss in the game but he contributed large to taking down 3 of her team including U Catwoman and her V Nightwing.

Goodbye Bat-team members. Bwah-HaHa!!!

She was great though I wish she'd play more often. She doesnt take losing well. She had a lot of my guys on the ropes with her U Batman.

Well that's it for now. - Terrence

PS she wants to play again ....Yes!!!

[SLAYER X]

wow thanx for the compliment, I reall can't make too much for a dc only team since I don't have much but let me give it a shot.
Promo Batman 120
veteran nightwing 72
experianced flash 82
experienced intergang medic 26
300 total points
How is that? Heavy on outwit, got speed and stealth and a med if needed. My friends and I usually don't dip below 500 points and most of our games are 1000 points.
Here is another 300 point team-
OWaW Superman 236
experienced robin 20
verteran harley quinn 41
297 total
You may look at this and think what is he thinking? no medic? if you need a med ic with Superman you are out of your league I have never lost a game when I use him. That's why I don't use him much he is much too easy to win with. Anyway this team gives superman a 4 damge plus with 8 squres of smoke cloud you can surround your opponent. If they move they are stuck and if they shoot Superman gets the +1 defence bonus but he can shoot though it because of his superman team ability.