View Full Version : WHY is there no player ranking for Heroclix?
Ya know, I am not the best player in the world, or even at my venue, but there are rankings for MK and MW why NOT for heroclix? I personally would just like to see where I sit in the wild world of players.
WHO'S WITH ME?!?!?!?!?!?!
Come on. tell em. WE WANT RANKED!
Wizkids has already stated that there are plans in the works to purge this peril from our time.
They will soon be announcing a ranking system for Heroclix.
Symbiote8
02/12/2003, 15:13
the judge at my events told me on monday that heroclix is going to be ranked soon, which will make me pretty happy, and i can see it will make you happy too.
thechuck
02/12/2003, 15:15
I think there's a FAQ or something on WizKid's website about this. Basically, they wanted HeroClix to be "for fun" so they decided against the ranking system. I've heard grumblings that this may changed, but, nothing substantial.
WEEEEEEE!!!!!!
See? all ya gotta do is raise you voice! Little did i realize the power in my typing. I must be pretty persuasive! ( or just a little late in getting annoyed about this issue. Whatever. As, long as i get what I want.) :P
But are you trying to tell me the ohter games are not for"fun"? what ARE they for then? Money? The prestige? The ability to attract the opposite sex?
so does anyone KNOW anything for SURE?
actually, it was not WizKid's decision to make the game just "for fun". The decision was made by the big-wigs at Marvel and DC who didn't want their products being used in an overly competitive way, having people scratch, claw, and bite their way to being THE #1 player. Although apparently, seeing the success of the HC franchise, they are rethinking their former decision.
imafineboy
02/12/2003, 16:22
personally, I DON'T want there to be national rankings for HC. I'm not that much of a competive player (in that I don't go to tournaments, there aren't any close). But I'm really good. Of course I'm in a place where people spend way more time then me playing so maybe not as good as i think :-p. I also know the rules inside and out and can answer just about anyone's questions when they have them on here. Most of us here know just about every rule (expect that stuff that is always changing, or needs changing, you know what I mean). I don't want it to get to a point that just because I don't have a "rating" or a high one, that I'm just a newbie. Of course no one on HERE would be that cruel. We all know that EVERY SINGLE PERSON on these boards is fair and just :-p (sorry i couldn't resist). But in anycase, I'd rather just keep playing for fun or prizes.
so does anyone KNOW anything for SURE?
From WizKids Underground Issue #9
World Champions?
Inquest magazine recently published an article interviewing some of the top players of WizKids games. But they erroneously labeled the HeroClix and MechWarrior players as world champions. The first-ever MechWarrior world champion will be crowned at Origins 2003, this summer. While HeroClix often has convention champions, because it is not rated and ranked there is no official world champion as of yet. Keep an eye out for some exciting developments in HeroClix Organized Play in the coming months!
That's as much as anyone is going to know.
Brigadier M
02/12/2003, 17:08
This past weekend a judge told me that beginning Mar 9th, all official tournaments will be 200pts. If the venue runs anything but a 200pt tourney, they will not get prize support. If they use the prize support they've been sent for anything other than a 200pt tourney and WK gets wind of it, they'll pull their sanctioning. If this is true, and if this is the price for having player rankings, I say forget it, keep things as is!!
I hate 200pts, you gotta go at least 300 to get things interesting. You know how boring it will be to play the exact same thing every tournament? If this is true, they will kill this game for me.:(
M!
what? you've only got a limited number of figs that will fit ina 200 point game? I also prefer 300 point games myself, but to me, it's just more of a chalenge to make a really good 200 point team, so if that's the price I must pay to rule the world, so be it. :)
malchyor
02/12/2003, 17:31
brig:
news to me. heck, that'd be news to everyone. the only thing that's required at 200pts is the marquee. for everything else wizkids underlines the fact that houserules are ok. 300 pts or 1000pts is ok with them, so long as the rules dont' change after the games begin.
Brigadier M
02/12/2003, 17:43
Originally posted by malchyor
brig:
news to me. heck, that'd be news to everyone. the only thing that's required at 200pts is the marquee. for everything else wizkids underlines the fact that houserules are ok. 300 pts or 1000pts is ok with them, so long as the rules dont' change after the games begin.
I'm just hoping the guy who told me this was wrong. (It was a guy running a MW tourney, who said he'd gotten the info in an e-mail from WK. I didn't know him, but everyone playing in his tourney seemed to think he was credible.) It does seem to fit with the notion of rankings. Or maybe I just find it too easy to believe the worst.
Originally posted by Random
what? you've only got a limited number of figs that will fit ina 200 point game? I also prefer 300 point games myself, but to me, it's just more of a chalenge to make a really good 200 point team, so if that's the price I must pay to rule the world, so be it. :)
I don't know what it is, but I suck at 200pts. I'm used to playing 300pt games (or more), and whenever I have to play 200, it seems so confining. One exp Batman sucks up almost half your points!
M!
LOL that's easy to fix! Don't play DC or mixed teams! ( see? I should start charging for advice.)
Yes and no. For MW, what they are doing is disallowing custom scenarios for tournaments. The point values are still up to the Judge.
We have to wait and see what WK announces. They have a lot of changes planned for the next couple months. They aren't saying much while they refine ideas, which leads to speculation, which leads to rumors, which eventually ends up on the Dark Side somewhere...
My best guess (and I said guess! :) ) is that when they add rankings, they will probably make all the tournaments use one particular scenario, or one from a list of scenarios.
Like I said, they aren't gonna restrict point values, I hope. And 200 points isn't that bad, it is very skill intensive IMO. But, I really prefer 300. Skill intensive and it lets you play with big bad voodoo figures. Like, for example, V Thor... (and that, my friends, is foreshadowing :) )
WarlordEarnan
Dangit, I forgot to put my other real point in there....
The reason for these changes is this: they are offering ratings based invites to the National tournaments. In order for these invites to be legit, they need to make everybody play the same game. What I mean by that is that house rules and custom scenarios change the rules of the game, and by extensionlead to skewed ratings.
Also, remember that this is only for Sanctioned tourmanents with the LE prize support. Anyone can run whatever tournaments they want to as an Unsanctioned event, they just aren't ranked or given LEs.
WarlordEarnan
Brigadier M
02/13/2003, 17:23
Originally posted by Earnan
Also, remember that this is only for Sanctioned tourmanents with the LE prize support. Anyone can run whatever tournaments they want to as an Unsanctioned event, they just aren't ranked or given LEs.
WarlordEarnan
What's the point of a tournament without LEs? Call me mercenary, but if I want to play for fun, I can do that for free with friends. I'm not shelling out 5 bucks to play (or buying boosters I don't need) if there's no prize support.
M!
Brigadier M
02/13/2003, 17:28
I understand that the playing field needs to be level for rankings to have any meaning. My point was just that in that case, I'd rather keep things as they are and not have any rankings. Or maybe they can have two categories of tourneys: one that adheres to whatever structure they define as the default (and thus generates rankings), and one where anything goes (and doesn't generate rankings), but send prize support to both.
M!
xfdragon
02/13/2003, 17:36
jmo, but I think WK did the right thing by letting us learn the game for fun at first...
I started out with MW and found most of the players to be VERY aggressive since they want the title and the rewards and... well, just way too competitive for me - but the local HC players are great fellas and I look forward to every Saturday to have a grand time...
even when they bring in the official listings I think the fun element will remain - instead of the vicious attitude in MW...
of course, I could be wrong....
:p
I'm against a ranking system, then yu get people coming to tournaments with firelords and other team combos that aren't fun to play against. 300 point teams take alot more skill than 200 point ones, in 200 point games you have 2 options. A small high cost team or a big low point team, no real room for people like vet sandman. In 300 point games a can put in expensive figs and cheap ones for some killer combos and tactics. 200 point games just make thanos, thor and doc doom useless (vet thor and doc doom that is.)
xfdragon
02/13/2003, 17:42
I can't see 200 being the norm, even with a new expansion coming out - it really relegates a lot of the major characters to the storage box and cuts back on the fun...
MW uses 300 as a standard, so... probably be more along those lines...
either way, it could be interesting to see what sort of scenarios TPTB come up with - verrrry interrresting....
:D
malchyor
02/13/2003, 17:45
if the ranking system goes through we can expect the following, based on what they're already doing with mage knight and mechwarrior:
1. we'll have scenarios. this is great! they'll probably pull them out of some of the greatest plots that marvel and DC has ever had (though your guess is a good as mine as to the kind of ranking they'll have for indyclix).
2. the dc, marvel, and indy clix lines will all have separate rankings.
3. they'll have monthly send away figures for $5, based on which faction (often good vs. bad, but i'm sure they'll have an xmen vs. avengers scenario in there too...)
4. that the ranking games will involve 300pt armies (this is just based on the few figures that are worth more than 200pts, like the bigfigs and SupermanLE).
5. the figures they'll give out will have better rarities. for the mechwarrior and mageknight games, they tend to give out level 4 and 5's to the winners and runner's up in the games. chances are that we'll have access to better figs by taking part in these scenarios as opposed to just the regular tournaments.
and who knows what else, but these are all really solid guesses.
Xavier PhD
02/13/2003, 18:08
personally i would LOVE to have a ranking system...
but ranking systems only work if the game is actually fair. with that said heroclix is pretty broken and needs to be fixed. an example of problems... the infinite passing scenario- this is a MUST fix for the game if it goes competitive.
also no mixed games for ranking- but i think that this will most certainly be true if they do have a ranking system.
They don't know a good thing when they've got it. One reason that the game is working out there is that there's some freedom which relieves stresses in the standard system. A good example is the no-dupes house rule. If they start playing hardball and boycott venues that use this rule then there will be trouble.
Unfortunately, I suspect that the folks calling the shots are MK types who are into the competitive tournament scene and don't get that HeroClix is and should be different. It was inappropriate MK thinking which gave this game its crazy unique/dupe system. And its lousy move/attack mechanics and scoring which encourage stalemates and stalling. If only they'd based the game on Dungeon - a system which does address most of MK's problems. HeroClix badly needs a similar revision - not an MK straitjacket.
The LE system is already causing a fair amount of grumbling. The serious collectors who care more about the comics than the gameplay will freak if they are forced to go down the Firelord-cheese path to get their LEs. I don't think that game can survive being turned into a Magic Pro-Tour kinda operation. People just care about the individual characters too much to only play the most broken figures.
And forcing everyone to play 200 points is retarded. Whoever thought that up should be sacked without delay as they really have no clue. Jon L. has the right stuff and he's already made an impact by giving fans figures like a Spider-man with super senses. He was looking at doing something about taxis and that's the way to be thinking too. We need more of this revisionist thinking - not control freaks who will kill the game stone dead.
Andrew
Originally posted by Tsannik
That's as much as anyone is going to know.
That same issue has a big full page ad for a convention advertising the DC HeroClix World Championship - do Wizkids have a clue what's going on? Nobody reads the Wizkid's underground while Inquest has a huge circulation and is setting the agenda. If they say that Rex is the World Champion, then that's that. Rex is coming to London for Gencon UK in April and that's serious international play. I'm the de facto UK champion (won at Gencon UK last year) but Rex beat me at Origins so I'm happy to give him his due - he's the King. You can bet that both of us can handle ourselves in sealed, 200 points, 300 points, Marvel, DC whatever. If you want to get your name in Inquest then don't wait for Wizkids to get their act together. Come to Gencon UK for the start of the 2003 championship season ...
Andrew
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