View Full Version : Redo: Character Creation: Gladiator
Mongoose
02/12/2003, 21:46
I received alot of heat for giving him 5 damage last time (Understandable), so i only have him w/ 3 damage throughout most of his dial, plus some CCE.
Speed- 12 11 10 9 8 7 6 6 5 5
Attack- 12 11 10 9 8 8 7 6 6 6 5
Defense- 17 16 16 15 14 14 13 13 12 12
Damage- 3 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2 1
Range: 8
Flight ability
Arrows: 1
Cost: 147 points
He has invulnerability, then toughness. I let his stats fall really far off for his attack due to his lack of faith in himself. Just like the comics, once Gladiator stops believing in himself, his powers go to practically nothing. I gave him force blast, to respresent his breath attack. He has charge attack for 2 clicks. I have seen him rush into opponents, socking them in the jaw. I hope this makes him somewhat closer to spec.
Silverlynx35
02/12/2003, 21:57
What, only 3 damage??? j/k
SL35
Your colors are alittle off, but if that's CCE, this version is great.
Mongoose
02/12/2003, 22:06
Yeah that's CCE (Close Combat Expert). These stats put him near Thor, but not quite up to snuff. He would basically have to get lucky, but the chance is there. Plus he has a killer hair-do. :)
Answerman
02/12/2003, 22:17
just for the record, I'll back the version that gets a 5 in the damage.
WHY?
Because thats what SUPES Should have and we all know it!
If Sinestro gets it Superman should.
For that matter, the fact that people want to back up the DC heroclix biggest weakness, namely the low stats, is rediculous.
nothing bigger than a 3 in damage, 12 in attack and 17 on defence is just plain stupid, and everybody knows it....
Okay, my rants done...
Mongoose
02/12/2003, 22:27
just for the record, I'll back the version that gets a 5 in the damage.
WHY?
Because thats what SUPES Should have and we all know it!
If Sinestro gets it Superman should.
For that matter, the fact that people want to back up the DC heroclix biggest weakness, namely the low stats, is rediculous.
nothing bigger than a 3 in damage, 12 in attack and 17 on defence is just plain stupid, and everybody knows it....
Okay, my rants done...
OK take deep breaths. 1-2-3. OK do you feel better now :) :p
strucker
02/12/2003, 22:36
Gladiator! When I saw this, I thought it was the old Daredevil villain! I thought, "cool!" Then I saw the stats and I thought, "Shoot! This is one tough grade B Daredevil villain!" Ok, ok, now I see! The Shi'ar guy! Yeah, this looks great, everything Superman should be. I'd like to see an entire Imperial Guard set come out someday, but we will see.....I always liked the Shi'ar version of Lighting Lad; what was his name, Proton?
Originally posted by Answerman
just for the record, I'll back the version that gets a 5 in the damage.
WHY?
Because thats what SUPES Should have and we all know it!
If Sinestro gets it Superman should.
For that matter, the fact that people want to back up the DC heroclix biggest weakness, namely the low stats, is rediculous.
nothing bigger than a 3 in damage, 12 in attack and 17 on defence is just plain stupid, and everybody knows it....
Okay, my rants done...
Sorry, Answerman, but he does not warrant 5 damage, which is why Mongoose redid him. His heat vision should not be 5 damage. If you give him range, as Mongoose did, fittingly, then CCE fits for 3 damage at a distance, 5 up close. This is how Superman should have been done across his dial, but instead we got stuck with Leadership on the vet.
Answerman
02/13/2003, 15:27
So JayThor, Gladiator should just look like yet another silly Superman figure huh?
HUlk and Thanos should get 5's on thier dial, but Gladiator, a character who hit the THing so hard had him saying " I don't think i've ever been hit that hard", Gladiator the character that whupped the Hulk until Hulk just stumbled across his radioactive weakness...etc, etc,
Gladiator is the Marvel equivalent of Superman, and like is often the case, Gladiator is often the way Marvel comics does Superman "correctly".
Like the example I quoted earlier with the THing during John Byrnes run on the Fantastic Four.
Byrne "did" Superman before he recreated him with "the MAn of Steel" mini.
Any why you say he shouldn'y have a 5 is what I'm interested in, but classicly you don't give a reason, you just come off as high and mighty.
Which with a name like JayThor, is sorta to be expected.
You undoubtadly have the classic fanboy syndrome "Thors always gotta be better than Superman-itis"
Its okay take a couple of Superman comics to bed, and call your doctor in the morning...
Oh, MOngoose I ALWAYS feel better :D ...
BUt really people, Superman with a lowly 3 is just stupid, hes the guy who popped the Juggernaut in the head and dropped him with one shot!
Are you reading what I am writing, or just rambling blind? I have said repeatedly, that 3 damage WITH CCE (Closed Combat Expert- which adds 2 to the base to base damage inflicted by the character. 3+2=5 damage).This gives him 3 damage at a distance, which is all his heat vision rates, and 5 up close, which he also rates. Yes, Thor is my favorite character, but as to whether he would beat Gladiator, the writers have answered that for me repeatedly. I don't appreciate the sarcasm or disrespect (I am not stupid). Superman is a great character, but he is not Gladiator, THE CHARACTER OF THIS THREAD. Pay attention, dude.
Answerman
02/22/2003, 22:46
Woah hey now lets all relax a tad...
clearly I'm aware of the fact we're discussing Gladiator hereor why would I state:
"Gladiator should just look like yet another silly Superman figure huh?"
Gladiators heat vision has been decribed as on par with the Human Torch's nova blast.
As Supermans heat visions been able to effect characters as powerful as the Imperiex Probes, and well...himself
And yes I AM drawing comparisons between Superman and Gladiator, because thats the nature of Gladiator.
Did you read the issues of Thors current run where Gladiator shows up and beats the snot bags outta Thor?
The fact that Gladiator IS nothing more than a Superman clone is why I keep comparing the 2...
DC's current version of Superman is Entirely based off John Byrnes Superman. And he was the one who defined Gladiator as a Superman clone.
NOw as for 3 clicks with cce, I'm with it to a certain degree, but I don't gibe with the simply fact that it can't be outwitted.
The bottom line is this: Some where on his dial he should have a 4, and quite possibly a 5.
I'm done , I've said my peace....sorry for upsetting you JAythor, in all honesty I kinda assumed you wouldn't take it too seriously.
Hell, I WAS calling it a rant...and in the end aren't we here to discuss a game thats fun?
For fun's sake?
Beleave what you want I simply have an opinion that I feel extremey strongly about, and that I'm extremely well informed on...and man did that sound concieted....
If you are so informed, then why don't you know that Gladiator was around YEARS before John Byrne worked on Superman?
HC gave Superman 3 damage with SS and CCE because they realized his heat vision was not as potent as his punch. If you can't see my point, see HC's.
End of discussion.
Answerman
02/22/2003, 23:37
Where is it excatly that I showed I don't know the history of Gladiator? I own almost every single comic he's appeared in with the eception of the Hulk annual:
yes Gladiator was created by Chris Claremont and Dave Cockrum as a Superman analogy to fit in with the imperial guard that were all grown up versions of the Legion of SUperheros.
Gladiator wasn't very defined other than his being able to best Collossus in 1-on-1 combat until John Byrne DEFINED him (as his version of how Superman works) in 2 fantastic four issues I forget the excact numbers 249 and 250 possibly...
His take on Superman was so well received that DC hired him as the man to reboot Superman.
As for wizkids take on Superman, haven't you read all the interviews where we've got designers that have changed thier minds after the fact?
Besides its clear we're going to see more Superman figures, just like the Spiderman figs, and hmmmmmm lets see have those changed considerably?
You need to relax a little here I'm not calling you names, and I'm making light of my own seriousness.
I'm not calling you stupid, I'm just disagreeing with you.
And the heroclix designers....
Doesn't mean I don't love the game or that I don't play Supes!
For a guy spouting religeous retoric, you're acting pretty angry.....
And for the record maybe you should take some of your own advice and actually READ my posts rather than just responding...
oh on a side note I'm not sure that I'm for Gladiator with Imperviousness, he might just suit Invunerability better...
I can see BOTH JayThor and Answerman's point of views. Yes, Gladiator IS Hella strong (he destroyed a planet, A PLANET just a few punches). Marvel's most powerful strength-feat to date.
Yet, I see Glads having the 3 Damage (heat Vision) and the CCE giving him an awesome 5 Damage in battle. He'd be a monster in the game.
And contrary to popular belief, he only LOST his ability by lack of faith ONCE in comics which caused him to lose a battle (F.F. #250).
Answerman- I'm not "spouting religious rhetoric", I am quoting from the Bible. I am not angry, as this is about a game, and is a discussion. I take a debate seriously, especially in light of sarcastic remarks which don't carry over in print well. I have read your posts, and maybe they will change Superman. I also know that Gladiator's power level has been more clearly defined over the years, and although he is immensely powerful, 3 damage with CCE would fairly represent him. I guess we will have to agree to disagree. It doesn't matter, because they probably never do him in HC anyway. :)
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