God Packs - Yay or Nay

[wintremute]

Do you think God Packs are a great idea, and they make buying boosters more exciting.

Do you think God Packs are a horrible idea, and they make it even worse to get what you want when you buy a lot of boosters.

Do you think that it doesn't matter either way.

[hair10]

Big thumbs down for me.

[anonym0use]

This being a godly set, I'm okay with it.

I've always been a have not kinda guy, so learning to live w/out getting a godpack is fine by me.

[Miraclo]

I chose "Nay" because there wasn't something more denunciatory.

[Dikarika]

I don't think it matters much either way.

But I can understand the excitement of cracking open a GB when you ran out to a single booster.

[Top10]

What is a "God Pack"?

I really don't know.

And I am on hcrealms everyday.

[ThePrinted6]

Monstrous thumbs down from me. Originally, when I saw the first person to post a God Pack report I figured it was an exceptionally rare collation mistake, a percentage of finding one in the radical decimal zones of percentages. Now that more and more people are reporting them, it seems to be intentional.

Worst decision ever.

Chases aren't enough to pump boosters sales? You've got to go and destroy the value of the SRs by throwing out 4 SRs and a Chase in one pack? Wow. If they want to increase purchase of boosters, making the sets bigger seems a pretty good idea. Go to more multiple dial situations like the old REV or the SI Skrulls. I just think it's a horrible idea. Just pulling a Chase evidently doesn't seem to be enough any more.

[tyroclix]

They need to be implemented differently.

Lets assume the average case holds 6 SR's.

Currently it seems god-packs take 4 of the SR's leaving 2 for the remaining case - that is wrong in my opinion as it devalues the remaining contents rather than just boosting the value of 1 booster as Chases have done in the past.

god-packs would be fine (although unnecessary to me) IF the SR's in the god-pack were ADDED to the case meaning a case would then have (on average) 10 SR's. This way when a brick is taken out or a case is broken down into individual boosters the ratio of SR's remains unchanged.

As it stands now I vote nay.

[Daky]

I say thee Nay, For many a brink are being shorted a SR because of this.

[TimoSupremo]

Yay all the way for me... Thanks to the possibility and potential of opening a "God-Pack" from my HoT brick I've never felt so close to heaven when cracking open packs... :knockedou

P.S. A friend of mine (casual player who has NEVER purchased any figures before) actually bought a HoT pack purely for the chance of getting a "God-Pack". I'd bet he's not the only one who'll shell out extra bucks for this opportunity to score BIG.

[lancelot]

Big thumbs down for me.

An echo throughout Asgard.

[bonkers1978]

I voted Nay. This makes some people get bricks with shorted SRs is unfair. I have seen three people who have only 2 SRs in their bricks.

[Badgerbite]

Yay, I got one.
Nay, I don't think they should exist.

vote nay

[HH2011003]

I voted "Meh". I like the idea in theory, but not in practice. The concept of having one SUPERAWESOMEAMAZING booster in every two (?) cases is actually really cool; but the fact that it means there are no other SRs in the entire brick is not cool at all.

Basically, I like the idea that every once in a long while you'll win the Heroclix lottery, but not the all-or-nothing way it was executed.

[Darth Sabre]

No way. It's a terrible thing for the game.

[gmastermcd]

I voted Yay but think they should be more not affect the remaining SR allocation.

At my local venue 5 cases (10 bricks) were opened 3 of the bricks had god packs, of those three god packs the other bricks from the case had 2 SR's and 2 of the three bricks with god packs also had a fifth SR. Getting 5 SR's and a chase in a brick is great but getting only 2 SR's in a brick is terrible and every fourth brick should not have only 2 SR's.

[chrispy3000]

i got one w/a Thorbuster. made my day. i like it, at least for this set. kind of like a little gift from NECA for those of us who stuck around waiting and since the theme of the set is godliness, i think it fits. now as for those getting ripped off because of it i think that does suck and if it throws off the distribution of SRs then it's quite lame but its an interesting concept to say the least. i like :)

[Heathcliff]

Big nope from me. I don't see the point. If you buy a brick you should get the usual amount of Super-Rares, but God boosters just mean that people buying single boosters have less of a chance at a Super-Rare. I'm hoping God boosters are a manufacturing error rather than an intentional distribution strategy.

[gandalf550]

Eh, I'm mixed. I understand the argument, but at the same time I pulled one, so I say neither yay nor nay.

[spaffler]

Big Nay from me for a few reasons;

Passing Draft. if you crack a God booster, you are forced to give up 4 SR's or 3 and a Chase. either way you are screwed.

SR's become hit or miss, which is just dumb. if God packs had been in the past i probably wouldnt have my Joker, or my Spider-Man.

Like many people have said, a brick with only 2 SR's is terrible. imagine you and your friend both opening a brick.
"dang it, only Odin and Gert and Old Lace"
"Haha, i just pulled Throg, Gert, and 3 other Super Rares."
"I just wasted all my money for this bull carp?"
"Ha, sucks for you!"

plastic crack just got a little harder to handle, because if you get a God pack, you will buy and buy hoping for another. if not you somehow feel cheated...

[Ponchot]

I voted Nay.....since it has affected SR's per brick.

[TimoSupremo]

Wow... I only got 2 Super Rares in my brick and I still voted "Yay", just for the novelty and awesomeness factor for those few that actually open a "God Pack".

I guess I'm in the vocal minority, but hey that's me. :classic:

[JOwenR2]

I voted Nay, I pulled one and It F'ing rocked, but I didn't get a single other SR in the brick, imagine if I'd split with a friend, how deeply would that suck also now I get 4 and the person who buys the other brick from that case now gets 2 lame. If they do this again I'd like to see 2 SR 2R and 1 chase as the "GOD Brick and distribute the other 2 so there is one in the same brick, and at least a 3rd in the other brick, I really wish they'd take a little guesswork out and make it 4 per brick period, then u get a god pack there's 2 more SRs in brick and other in case is standard, plus you get some more rares yay :)

[VGA d1sc1pL3]

Monstrous thumbs down from me. Originally, when I saw the first person to post a God Pack report I figured it was an exceptionally rare collation mistake, a percentage of finding one in the radical decimal zones of percentages. Now that more and more people are reporting them, it seems to be intentional.

Worst decision ever.

Chases aren't enough to pump boosters sales? You've got to go and destroy the value of the SRs by throwing out 4 SRs and a Chase in one pack? Wow. If they want to increase purchase of boosters, making the sets bigger seems a pretty good idea. Go to more multiple dial situations like the old REV or the SI Skrulls. I just think it's a horrible idea. Just pulling a Chase evidently doesn't seem to be enough any more.


Greatest post ever! Much rep given! I really miss the old REV sets. We got twice as many figs, and for cheaper. And no cardboard in HOT?

On another note: I'm really glad the set is out!

[BigBlueBeast1982]

I hate to sound negative, but it sounds like there are a lot of haters on the forums crying about people getting "God Packs", because they themselves didn't get one. These are probably the same people that started crying about chase figures when they came out, saying they shouldn't exist because not everyone can get a chance to equally acquire them. When in actuality the real problem was the fact that the people who were crying just didn’t own a chase figure.

The fact of the matter is, is that it's a brilliant idea. Pulling a booster like that is legendary, cost effective to those buying a case or brick, and most importantly a memorable experience. I think people need to stop "hating" on other peoples good fortunes. These same people are the same pathetic and sadistic people that harbor animosity toward other players during drafts when the other players pull a super rare and they pull trash. It's happens. It's a way of life, but most importantly you need to get over it and let people enjoy it.

[konasavage]

The venue I go to held a launch day sealed event. Two players drove in from out of town because they have no closer venue. (They also make this trek for Magic and comics) During the opening phase one of them pulled a "God Pack". The entire room stopped what they were doing to check it out. After the event, both gentlemen who made the trip bought a brick each and headed home happily. I have nothing but good things to say about the positive buzz they are creating.

[Heathcliff]

I hate to sound negative, but it sounds like there are a lot of haters on the forums crying about people getting "God Packs", because they themselves didn't get one.

Well for the record, I pulled one from my case. I'm still against the idea. They don't affect case buyers much, I suppose, as we're in theory going to get the SRs, and possibly a chase anyways. It does affect people who split a case with a buddy, only to see him open that booster and realize that their same investment got them much less value. That was true with chases, it's definitely amplified now.

I hold that it has to be a manufacturing error. After all the talk about there being little value in boosters beyond the chases over the course of the last few years, and the devaluing of CUR figs, who would actually stand up at a WK board meeting and suggest to go and make things worse? Old-WK's stated goal of trying to put value back in the boosters failed with chases, but this seems like an even worst attempt to do that. This just brings value to *a* booster, not boosters.

I like the idea of rewarding customers who buy large amounts. Make every case = 1 set, give or take a fig. Make 2-4 chase per set with a chase in each case. That doesn't mean you should hose the rest of the (existing and new) customer base though. Buying loose boosters is and will always be a gamble, but the stakes should not be as high as these god boosters make them out to be.

[SpaceGhost]

I have a feeling the desire to open a god pack will encourage me to buy more boosters and I do not want that. I do not like this set.

But I would like to have the chase figures...

[machineman]

I say keep the "god packs" but just make them as an extra. In other words don't change anything else regarding coalation, just randomly substitute a "god pack" with a random booster, in a random brick, in a random case.

[tyroman]

i voted Nay because as others pointed out it means whoever gets the second brick is in for big disappointment. i'd be fine with it if as others said, they maintained the number of boosters with SRs so that the ones in a god pack are extra bonuses not simply replacing all the ones in the brick.

[ShadowMark]

for those who are complaining about the 2 SR's per brick- get over it. I have opened many bricks with only 2 SR's in it.
All a GOD PACK is, is a chase figure pack, from what I have heard. If you pull a chase, you get 4 more SR's.
I think it's their way of getting more people to buy cases, or cause a stir for those buying boosters when little are left in the store.

I, have not pulled one yet, and the brick I bought (from a store I had to drive almost an hour away for) had just 2 SR's- Volstagg and Thor/Loki, so I don't care.

I am a "meh, don't care" over this topic, as I think most people should be. Plus, it also sounds as if they have made chase figures easier to get which, I believe, is what most people wanted.

Above all, those "nay-sayers" need to just sit back and take it in... AFTER A VERRRRY LONG YEAR, HEROCLIX IS BACK!!!! So, people, let's enjoy this.

for tomorrow, a case awaits me at my store (they finally got some in)

[larthosgrr8]

Yay all the way for me... Thanks to the possibility and potential of opening a "God-Pack" from my HoT brick I've never felt so close to heaven when cracking open packs... :knockedou

P.S. A friend of mine (casual player who has NEVER purchased any figures before) actually bought a HoT pack purely for the chance of getting a "God-Pack". I'd bet he's not the only one who'll shell out extra bucks for this opportunity to score BIG.

this is why they did it!! to make ppl buy the frigging product!! it's all sales, and neca wants to make some of it's money back ASAP!! not only are they moving boosters, but they are making a lot of ppl very happy!

i personally like the idea of finding the 'golden ticket' booster! i do wish they still put 4 sr's in the brick though! thats the thing about collectible games, you're not locked in to get ANYTHING! that's what keep the money flowing and the game alive. money, money, money! it's sad but true!!

[vamroc]

What is a "God Pack"?

I really don't know.

And I am on hcrealms everyday.

A "God Pack" is a booster that contains four Super Rares and a Chase Figure for example the one I pulled had Odin, Thor: Frog of Thunder(Chase), Ultron, Loki, and Hela.

I hate to sound negative, but it
sounds like there are a lot of haters on the forums crying about people getting "God Packs", because they themselves didn't get one. These are probably the same people that started crying about chase figures when they came out, saying they shouldn't exist because not everyone can get a chance to equally acquire them. When in actuality the real problem was the fact that the people who were crying just didn’t own a chase figure.

The fact of the matter is, is that it's a brilliant idea. Pulling a booster like that is legendary, cost effective to those buying a case or brick, and most importantly a memorable experience. I think people need to stop "hating" on other peoples good fortunes. These same people are the same pathetic and sadistic people that harbor animosity toward other players during drafts when the other players pull a super rare and they pull trash. It's happens. It's a way of life, but most importantly you need to get over it and let people enjoy it.
Agreed and I've pulled Super Rares in non God Pack boosters so I know they are out there to be found. Even if one does get a God Pack you've stiil got the rest of the set to find who says "yup got all the SR's don't need the rest of the set" I'll tell you who A DAMN FOOL that's who.

[dariusq]

I say thee nay!

God Packs are really cool for the few lucky SOBs who pull one but they seriously skew the SR distribution. That's all fine and well for someone who bought a case, but for those who can only afford a brick/packs you're odds of getting good stuff has dropped dramatically.

For instance, I bought a case and here's how the SRs broke down between the bricks:

Brick 1 - 2 SRs
Brick 2 - 1 SR + 1 God Pack

I'd hate to be the poor guy who just got Brick 1. :disappointed:

[eshuroger]

There's already enough bad blood at tournaments. Somebody opens one of these, there could be a homicide. Totally nay.

[ThePunisher79]

i don like it, put 4 SR per brick, and a chase per 2 cases. for me thats fair, and ficticious!:grin::grin::grin:

[IrishBlade]

I voted NAY.

Even having gotten a "god pack" in my case, I don't like to collation of the rest of the bricks. It actually brings down some of the "excitement" of opening packs - seeing if you might get something good in the next one.

Plus - I don't like how people are determining whether or not to buy that OTHER brick depending on what is inside the one Joe Blow is opening. It's like - if it isn't a "god pack" it isn't worth anything.

I much preferred the random distribution of SR's throughout a case.

I love that the Chase's are more common - hate that they come with 4 SR's.

[ccs]

god-packs would be fine (although unnecessary to me) IF the SR's in the god-pack were ADDED to the case ~


This. This would be a good idea. Or at least not a bad idea.... Every now & then some lucky person would merely recieve a very cool bonus.

But combining a cases worth of SR in one booster at the expense of the other 17/18 boosters (assuming there's on average 1 or 2 more SR per case)? Not so cool. For someone buying a whole case there's zero impact. It doesn't matter what booster(s) your x # of SR come out of. But for the majority of players who buy only a single brick or individual boosters as they can afford them? This idea sucks ____. Because once that god-booster gets opened anyone else buying anything out of that case is practically SoL.

Thus, like so many other things WK has done in the past, a good idea needlessly marred by incredibly poor execution. What is it with this company??? Do they pay one group to think up neat ideas & another to make them as painfull as possible to the average customers?

[dariusq]

I don't like how people are determining whether or not to buy that OTHER brick depending on what is inside the one Joe Blow is opening. It's like - if it isn't a "god pack" it isn't worth anything.


My thoughts exactly. It's just another means of cherry picking. Pretty lame. :angry:

[SLVRSR4]

It's just like anything else in this game. The "haves" love them and the "Have nots" hate them. I didn't get one out of a case and a half, and it kind of ticked me off a bit. Especially since I've seen two people get them and not only get a chase but two of the Super rares that I need. I really didn't pull great SR's out of my 1.5 cases so that was extra salt in my wounds. I would have been in full support of them had I gotten one, though. A category you left out? What happened when you and a friend split a brick/case and only ONE of you got a god pack?

[JackAssterson]

Timeless, apparently (http://hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193920)

:grin:

[Space Jawa]

Timeless, apparently (http://hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193920)

:grin:

I wanted to rep that post the moment I finished reading it.

Sadly, the rep button for that post had apparently been sent off to the farm. :sleep:

Now, on topic, I have to say that I think the idea of packs with nothing but Super Rares (possibly with a chase in there too) is a fun thing to think about. For people who aren't the hardcore players and collectors that buy up two bricks on day one, but rather purchase the stuff one booster at a time over a longer period of time, it does something to add to the potential value you might get when you open the box. That booster you hold? It might hold a Super Rare and four pieces that you already have two of already and didn't want one of in the first place, OR it might also hold FIVE Super Rares, three of which you're still looking to get your hands on and the other two you can use to help get other figures you really want!

Granted, as one who isn't hard core enough to spend, what, $200 bucks or so on 24 boosters in one shot, I can't help but find myself wondering quite what it is that has those people feeling like they're owed a complete set of everything but the super rares and a minimum number of those to go with them. Especially when the packs are suppose to be randomly sorted. If that were truly the situation, then you'd be having cases which range between a Super Rare in every booster in the bunch and cases with not a single Super Rare to be found.

[WakandaMan]

I'mn thinking Yay. I think it will really drive single booster sales and is a smart marketing move. Those who buy bricks/cases will likely still do so.

I would prefer it if it didn't leave other bricks with only 2 SR's though, as that's really not cool for single brick buyers.

[ZZZ]

It's just like anything else in this game. The "haves" love them and the "Have nots" hate them. I didn't get one out of a case and a half, and it kind of ticked me off a bit. Especially since I've seen two people get them and not only get a chase but two of the Super rares that I need. I really didn't pull great SR's out of my 1.5 cases so that was extra salt in my wounds. I would have been in full support of them had I gotten one, though. A category you left out? What happened when you and a friend split a brick/case and only ONE of you got a god pack?
That's the problem with making sweeping statements like that. I am a "have" (times 2) and I voted "nay" (as did at least a couple of other "haves"). I would prefer that the distribution be as randomized as possible. Chase figs are cool enough to pull on their own. Let other potential buyers possibly reap the rewards and satisfaction of pulling a SR.

It's just another step taken to drive sales (I would hazard that the majority of this set's release is dictated by ideas from when WK was at TOPPS). First, they introduce chase figures: it generates excitement and stimulates sales. Then they introduce chase figs as highly desirable, playable, flagship characters: it generates excitement and stimulates sales. Now we have chase figs being included in a highly valued "godpack": it generates excitement and stimulates sales. What's next? God bricks?

[charlesx]

God packs are a bad idea - if their inclusion was intentional. (I feel the same way about chases, unless the chase in question comes one per case.) The way I see it, for every person who found a god pack in their brick, there are three persons who got shafted - assuming that gp's are 1 in every 2 cases. I can tell you that I have decided not to buy a brick because of them (and I can't afford a case, so it's the secondary market for me!)

[Granite Moose]

I very much dislike God packs. And that opinion will remain even if I manage across one.

[Wombatboy]

I bought two bricks on release day, each from a different store. Not only did each have a god pack in it, they both had the SAME god pack (Odin, Venus, Seth, Hela and Frog of Thunder). So I was quite thrilled. Someone else in my gaming group got a different god pack at the store we play at (his had Ultron, Valkyrie and Thorbuster instead of Seth, Venus and Frog of Thunder). The other person in our group who came out that day didn't get one and felt unlucky and left out while the other guy and me high-fived each other ("God Pack High Five!").

This is the first set I've gotten a chase figure from since Origins (Queen Hippolyta), and my group got three chase figures on opening day! So at the moment I'm for the god packs.

[sol]

Generators of ill will is what I call em. Big "I say thee nay!"

[Badger]

Wow... I only got 2 Super Rares in my brick and I still voted "Yay", just for the novelty and awesomeness factor for those few that actually open a "God Pack".

I guess I'm in the vocal minority, but hey that's me. :classic:

I did the same (2 SR brick - and a Yay vote)

[stuman6]

I think it was fine to have God-packs, for this set. It will keep us guessing how they will distribute figures, which is a good thing. I ,of course did pull one in my case with a Chase, but don't be mad. As a collector since Hypertime, it was the first Chase I ever pulled. My streak is broken. Yeah!
Now would I want this type of distribution every set? No. But keep us guessing.

Anyways don't be hating too much. I LOVE THIS SET. And all should be happy we still have clix.

[wintremute]

Timeless, apparently (http://hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=193920)

:grin:

I'm thinking that theory is referenced in times harmonized with the Mayan calendar.

[maxwing]

I can see the marketing value. I don't like the idea though.

[spider_ham]

I'm neutral. It's established that players going to get them. However, depending on the characters, it would not be beneficial to get a God Pack during a sealed event, as many of the better figures have high point values.

I'll have to test my luck with the boosters next month.

Frog of Thunder is my favorite fig from HoT, but unless I'm pulling him/it, there's no way in Hel that I'm paying upwards of $50 for the figure (or any other chases, for that matter).

[Uniquist]

Completely totally positively OPPOSED to the concept of godpacks. Isn't it like NECA said to themselves "how can we get a lot of players pissed off?". I can't believe that was done without them being "forced to". I mean, what's the upside?

As I think about it, this has a GOOD chance of being COMPLETELY necessary to get HOT out when it did. Those 5 figs were the last ones manufactured (molded/painted/assembled) but in order to get those last boosters done all those figs had to be clumped together.

I'm thinking if that wasn't done, then HOT isn't out for another month or more. And for various reasons, HOT needed to be out in 2009.

I think that's a pretty plausible explanation.

[crownroyal578]

I think this was a neat idea FOR THIS SET. If this becomes a habit it may put off people from buying in large quantities for future sets.

[rwint1968]

I said "meh" to God Packs. They are here, like them or not. Can't control if I get one or not and it's not going to affect the way I buy HoT. Wouldn't be surprised if we see the same collation for BatB in March 2010 either. Just my .02.

Thanks,
:cool:

[Shield001]

They need to be implemented differently.

Lets assume the average case holds 6 SR's.

Currently it seems god-packs take 4 of the SR's leaving 2 for the remaining case - that is wrong in my opinion as it devalues the remaining contents rather than just boosting the value of 1 booster as Chases have done in the past.

god-packs would be fine (although unnecessary to me) IF the SR's in the god-pack were ADDED to the case meaning a case would then have (on average) 10 SR's. This way when a brick is taken out or a case is broken down into individual boosters the ratio of SR's remains unchanged.

As it stands now I vote nay.

I like that idea.

As it stands now, I didn't think they could find a way to encourage me to buy less boosters but....

[Artarus]

Eh.. I'm not one to feel "entitled" to anything.. so the potential for pulling one is nice.. but I don't particularly care one way or another. And this coming from someone who DID only get 2 SRs in my brick.. but they were 2 of the 4 I really wanted..

[Sharkbite]

Makes no difference to me. I say this having pulled one.

At first I thought it was just the setlist this time that made it pretty 'Meh'. Getting Loki, Destroyer, Odin, etc in one pack wasn't a big deal because none of them were ones I would have gone out of my way to find. In the end, I was actually kinda bummed with my brick in that I didn't pull a Gertrude Yorkes or Molly Hayes. I had really hoped to pull the full Runaways roster.

I looked back over the past couple checklists and began to get the trend. Most sets showcase the SRs as figures that I only honestly really wanted 2 or 3 to the point I would have bought them as singles. Getting a better smattering of SRs is nice to avoid that Avengers too-many-Colonols incident, but overall the God Pack basically just amounts to trade fodder.

Take it or leave it, makes no differance to me.

[wintremute]

The "Nay"s are holding strong.

[Darth Sabre]

Eh.. I'm not one to feel "entitled" to anything.. so the potential for pulling one is nice.. but I don't particularly care one way or another. And this coming from someone who DID only get 2 SRs in my brick.. but they were 2 of the 4 I really wanted..


Yeah. Pulling Volstagg out of my first brick helped reduce the sting of the fact that I only got 2 SR's in that brick.

[qc_mohawks]

No way. It's a terrible thing for the game.

we agree 100%

right on!!!!

[mikeinmke]

That's the problem with making sweeping statements like that. I am a "have" (times 2) and I voted "nay" (as did at least a couple of other "haves"). I would prefer that the distribution be as randomized as possible.

Add my voice to those who "have" (I was extremely happy to find Thorbuster in the second booster I opened from my brick) but are opposed to the marketing/distribution practice of these so-called "god-packs."

Nay.

[kujonomore]

I think they are great...... congrats to those lucky enough to pull them

[lovesponge]

I just played in a tournament and was handed two blisters to pull pieces from. Not only did I pull a God pack, but Thor Frog of Thunder was in the God Pack!!!!
My lucky night!!!
I won the tourney too....thanks to ODIN!!!

[Repulsor rage]

Nay vile trick of Loki

[TimoSupremo]

The "Nay"s are holding strong.

If we can just sway the "Mehs", us Yays will take the lead!!! :devious::devious::devious:

[ShadowMark]

I think what is funny is that everyone is a "meh, don't care". EVERY person complaining is on both sides. The only ones who are nay, are those who haven't pulled a god pack yet.

And before you all say "no, I have and am a nay", look at what your saying.
"it's cool to pull one, but it does alter the distribution" You like that you have one, but don't like that the other brick has only 2 SR's. Check it, at least TEN people have this opinion that have pulled one.

It's a chase pack, plain and simple. If there is no chase in the case, then the bricks are 3 and 3, or 3 and 4. I HAVE bought a brick before god packs and pulled only 2 SR's. people complained then, now they are mad because the chase pack has 4 extra Sr's.

Like one guy said, you know there are GOD PACKS, if you split a brick, or case, make an arrangement so both, or all, benefit.

BOTTOM LINE: IT DOES NOT MATTER god packs or not. It's the same as pulling a chase when your buddy, or tournament players didn't.


GOOD JOB NECA/WIZKIDS

[Chargers]

I voted "Meh". I like the idea in theory, but not in practice. The concept of having one SUPERAWESOMEAMAZING booster in every two (?) cases is actually really cool; but the fact that it means there are no other SRs in the entire brick is not cool at all.

Basically, I like the idea that every once in a long while you'll win the Heroclix lottery, but not the all-or-nothing way it was executed.



Well put. But I voted Nay.

Pulling a GodPack is a great feeling. But opening the many many other boosters that were so-so isn't.

Hopefully this was a one-time deal to fit the theme of the set.

[Tchalla62]

God-Packs are an excellent idea , especially for people who are looking for those hard to get SR figures .

I've seen people in the past buy Cases / bricks looking for certain figs. and still ended up not getting them .
In todays' economy this is both expensive and rather crazy in my personal opinion .

The God-Packs ( when a person is lucky enough to get them ) saves money .
I purchased a brick yesterday and in it was a God-Pack .
It made the money I spent on the brick well worth it .
Now I don't have to spend extra money buying numerous boosters -or- another brick .

I have the figs. I wanted .

[tyroclix]

It's a chase pack, plain and simple. If there is no chase in the case, then the bricks are 3 and 3, or 3 and 4. I HAVE bought a brick before god packs and pulled only 2 SR's. people complained then, now they are mad because the chase pack has 4 extra Sr's.

Here is why you are wrong on this point - the SR's aren't extra, they are in fact moved from the remaining boosters and funneled into the booster with the chase figure in it.

Like one guy said, you know there are GOD PACKS, if you split a brick, or case, make an arrangement so both, or all, benefit.

True. Point?

BOTTOM LINE: IT DOES NOT MATTER god packs or not. It's the same as pulling a chase when your buddy, or tournament players didn't.

What if you are at a game store and you want to buy some HoT and your buddy buys a pack and pulls a god-pack.

Now do you still buy from the brick or case he just got it from? You know your chances of getting any SR what-so-ever has just dropped immensely.

Before a Chase figure replaced a common or an Uncommon. You always got your expected rare. This impacted the brick and case collation by 0. Your gain was your gain.

Now if I am mathematically supposed to get 3 SR's per brick or 6 per case, your gain IS my loss. My chances of getting a SR have now changed because of your luck.

Its not a case of your were lucky and I was not. Its now a case of you were lucky so now I can't be.

[Tchalla62]

Now if I am mathematically supposed to get 3 SR's per brick or 6 per case, your gain IS my loss. My chances of getting a SR have now changed because of your luck.

Its not a case of your were lucky and I was not. Its now a case of you were lucky so now I can't be.

Easy solution . . . . buy your own case .

[tyroclix]

Easy solution . . . . buy your own case .

I think you missed my point since your solution solves nothing.

A store has 20 boosters on the shelf.

Me, you, and maybe 4 other people are playing in a HeroClix tournament.

We are missing a few pieces still, mostly SR's, a few rares, some uncommons and we can always use generics.

After the game we decide to grab a few packs - trying to hit a couple of the misses seeing as how, between a few of us we can trade around to fill our holes and we could always get lucky with a SR or maybe even a chase (ha-ha, wink, wink!).

One of the other players just started and has nothing from the set, yet. Budgets are tight but we can afford an occasional purchase now and again and we do want to support our local store.

Bob, one of the guys grabs a booster and buys it. Opening it, he squeals in delight as he pulls a Chase and not 1, not 2, not 3 but 4 Super-Rares. We comment on how lucky he is and offer high-fives.

There are 19 boosters on the shelf.

Are you gonna buy one? Should I? What about the guy who just started? Is 11.99 worth Karnilla, Air-Walker, Bug, and Kingpin?

[ZZZ]

I think what is funny is that everyone is a "meh, don't care". EVERY person complaining is on both sides. The only ones who are nay, are those who haven't pulled a god pack yet.

And before you all say "no, I have and am a nay", look at what your saying.
"it's cool to pull one, but it does alter the distribution" You like that you have one, but don't like that the other brick has only 2 SR's. Check it, at least TEN people have this opinion that have pulled one.

It's a chase pack, plain and simple. If there is no chase in the case, then the bricks are 3 and 3, or 3 and 4. I HAVE bought a brick before god packs and pulled only 2 SR's. people complained then, now they are mad because the chase pack has 4 extra Sr's.

Like one guy said, you know there are GOD PACKS, if you split a brick, or case, make an arrangement so both, or all, benefit.

BOTTOM LINE: IT DOES NOT MATTER god packs or not. It's the same as pulling a chase when your buddy, or tournament players didn't.


GOOD JOB NECA/WIZKIDS
I said nothing of the kind. I said that pulling a chase is cool on its own, which has nothing to do with the sentiment of liking "godpacks". I am glad I pulled the chase that I did, but I would rather have pulled the chase in a normal booster and had the SRs spread throughout the rest of the case.

[BATMANISBRUCEWAYNE]

IMHO "God" Packs are a bad idea that should not continue on in Heroclix.

For this set it's fine because after all Thor is a God! But after this set no more "God" Packs because the people that didn't pull a God Pack like myself feel a complete deflation :(.After somebody in a 300pts tournament pulls a "God" Pack your chances of pulling a S.R. drop dramatically I mean it's really not fair to anybody who can't afford a brick to have these "God" Packs because they ruin the excitement for people that don't pull one. I hope that NECA gets rid of this idea after this set that the Old Regime implemented. I understand the Idea of SuperRare's and the two chase pieces from a set because the chase pieces are like pure gold! The SuperRares are like gold that's not pure but gold nonetheless. I mean I don't have the money right now to buy a Brick and I only bought three boosters earlier today. Two for the 300pt team event. The third in hopes I would pull a piece I really wanted from this set. The only pieces I really want are Captain America,Thor,and DareDevil. I got Thor and DareDevil through trades. I hope to buy Cap as a single piece. Iam going to buy a brick of DC'S The Brave&The Bold for myself as a personal birthday present because that's my birthday month! :) I can't wait for March!!! I heard a rumor that The Brave&The Bold packs would only contain four figures can anybody confirm or deny this rumor. I know it's early but any scoop either straight from the source or close to the source would truly be apperciated. Iam a huge Batman Fan and DC Man!:classic: P.S. Iam glad that my local Comic Book store is running WK Tournaments again!! :laugh: Thanks to the gang I usually play aganist up there it felt good to be back and playing against my buddies and a shout out to Comic Relief my local Comic Book Store! Good Job NECA\NWK for bringing the game back! :)

[Tombstone Frank]

Nay.

The God Pack should be LEGENDARY- i.e. they happen because some random stars aligned at just the right moment for this miraculous screw up in putting the figs in their boxes at the factory...

What we have now are NOT God Packs. They are CHASE Packs.

And not only do they actively screw others out of their chances at Super Rares, if you DON'T pull a Chase pack, you DON'T get a chase.

And while a lot of people on here have the money for a brick, or a case, or more... there's a lot of us that don't. So if the one fig I want happens to be a super rare, and I'm in a random store or my local game store, and I see the person in front of me pull that chase pack... what are the realistic chances now of me walking up to that remaining assortment of boosters and even having a chance at pulling a super rare, let alone the one I'm hoping for?

And, sad to say, this IS sounding more and more like some marketing strategy to get people to buy more in hopes of getting that Chase Pack. And a poorly executed one at that.

In this economy, the only people who can afford to do that, already have their bricks and cases... or will.. No real need to buy much more than in the past given the frequency of these chase packs, and the rest of us are pretty much screwed when it comes to whatever is on the shelf if the store selling them ends up with one of the Chase Pack cases...

Chase packs are fine... IF and ONLY IF, they ADD to the brick or case, instead of taking away from it like it is currently doing. ADD the Super Rares in the Chase pack to the normal amount in a brick/case, and the awesomeness of pulling a chase rare is greater. Right now? Even as much as I want the Frog, I'd be afraid to pull it because now someone else gets actively screwed, and that to me not only cheapens the experience of pulling a chase (especially since neither me or nor my wife has ever pulled one), it almost makes the chases seem as common as the super rares...

[santagog]

Do I agree with god packs? Yes and no. I have reasons to see it both ways. I love pulling one, but as long as they affect distibution, they shouldnt be in it. IF they were an after affect, say they packed 2 cases, pulled one pack out at random, then replaced the god pack. Id be all for that. Even if it lessened my chances at getting one.

[dariusq]

And before you all say "no, I have and am a nay", look at what your saying.
"it's cool to pull one, but it does alter the distribution" You like that you have one, but don't like that the other brick has only 2 SR's. Check it, at least TEN people have this opinion that have pulled one.

It's a chase pack, plain and simple. If there is no chase in the case, then the bricks are 3 and 3, or 3 and 4. I HAVE bought a brick before god packs and pulled only 2 SR's. people complained then, now they are mad because the chase pack has 4 extra Sr's.

The SRs in God Packs aren't extras, they take away from the 3:3/4 case ratio. That means if there are 6-7SRs in a case then the GP automacially accounts for as much as 67% of those. Basically if you're buying anything less than a case you chances of pulling even an SR have dramatically dropped.

Those are the kinds of odds you'll be up against in sealed play.

[CREED]

I say keep the "god packs" but just make them as an extra. In other words don't change anything else regarding coalation, just randomly substitute a "god pack" with a random booster, in a random brick, in a random case.


I concur competely sir...

[BVNK]

To start off, I felt 'Nay'. Then I pulled one yesterday, and changed to 'Yay!'. We had decided to play a quick game after our sealed tournament yesterday, where everyone bought 2 boosters and played 5 pieces, no matter the cost. As soon as I pulled the GP, everyone else became dejected and no one wanted to play anymore.

But, I'm still a fan of the idea the more I've thought on it - I just think it needs some fine tuning. But, what has been perfect first time around? Very little. Remember when the 'Fastball Special' feat came out? I played it once (with the people on the picture), and said "feats will never last - what a horrible idea!" In the long run, the addition of feats has been huge for extending my interests in the game, but it took a while to work the system out. Before people get too upset, just remember - this is only one set. Sure, its a monumental set due to it's place in time and history, but its just one set. If they keep the idea of GPs around, I'm sure they will work out the kinks.

[EricTheRed]

I voted to have them. I would do it differently though. I would leave the sr's in the case. I would change the rarity of the pack contents to le. So instead of the sr odin you would get a le odin or whatnot. Or maybe you just put more sr in the case.

[mikeinmke]

I voted to have them. I would do it differently though. I would leave the sr's in the case. I would change the rarity of the pack contents to le. So instead of the sr odin you would get a le odin or whatnot. Or maybe you just put more sr in the case.

So, in other words, you're against the way the so-called "god-packs" and the Super Rare figures were distributed...
That sounds more like a "Nay" to me...

[KillerSavage]

I said nay. It is a nice idea but not when you are short changing someone else. If you want to give a bonus to one person that's fine but don't take away from everyone else to do it.

[maxwing]

I said nay. It is a nice idea but not when you are short changing someone else. If you want to give a bonus to one person that's fine but don't take away from everyone else to do it.

What he said.

[Mr Sunshine]

The only people pissed off about God packs are the one's who didn't pull them...Let's be honest here people, if you pull one your happy, but when you don't you get all bitter. So leave it alone.

(P.S. I didn't pull one, oh well...)

[Steelmage2000]

They need to be implemented differently.

Lets assume the average case holds 6 SR's.

Currently it seems god-packs take 4 of the SR's leaving 2 for the remaining case - that is wrong in my opinion as it devalues the remaining contents rather than just boosting the value of 1 booster as Chases have done in the past.

god-packs would be fine (although unnecessary to me) IF the SR's in the god-pack were ADDED to the case meaning a case would then have (on average) 10 SR's. This way when a brick is taken out or a case is broken down into individual boosters the ratio of SR's remains unchanged.

As it stands now I vote nay.

I pulled a god-pack and still voted nay. I do agree with the above statement, repped you, and think if they are going to put in god/chase packs it needs to done in this matter.
But in my case, I did pull a god-pack (first booster) and still pulled 3 more SRs. So just because you pulled 3 SRs, does not mean there is no god/chase pack in the case.

[KillerSavage]

The only people pissed off about God packs are the one's who didn't pull them...Let's be honest here people, if you pull one your happy, but when you don't you get all bitter. So leave it alone.

(P.S. I didn't pull one, oh well...)
I'm not bitter because I didn't pull a god pack. Really I'm not bitter at all. I'm pretty happy. I just wish that I could have had six or seven super rares instead of only five. One of those five being a double.

It's one thing for someone to pull a chase figure but why do they get all those super rares as well. Super rares that by all intent and purposes belonged in other bricks and cases.

Sure there is going to some randomness some people will have better pulls than others. Though there should be some reasonable expectation of what you are going to get. We aren't buying lottery tickets.

[KillerSavage]

Double post

[Oroci]

If they didn't effect the regular consolidation, I'd be fine with them. Disappointed if I didn't get one, sure, but no more disappointed than when I haven't pulled chases. But the fact that it reduces the number in the other brick is not a good thing at all, and easily leads to frustration.

I know this from experience today. I was in the middle of opening my brick, one of two that were on the shelf. The other brick was busted to use for single boosters for our sealed tournament. I was up to the third pack in my brick when one of the other players, who bought boosters from the opened brick, pulled a God pack. At that point, I lost a chunk of the joy of opening my brick, because at that point I knew I would have fewer SR's. Not all of the enjoyment (I got some good pieces, though who on earth needs three extra Bi-Beasts?). Sure enough, just two SRs (Kurse & Surtr, neither of who I really wanted). Would a third SR have made the brick magically better? Probably not, but I can't help but feel a bit short changed by the experience. Right or wrong, it builds some ill-will.

Anyway, that's my bit on God packs, for what it's worth.

[moogleclix]

First, I just have to shoot down the absolutely ridiculous argument that the only people saying "nay" are the people that didn't get a "god pack" (I prefer "chase pack", myself) and are bitter about it. That's just silly, and proven here by the ones that did get one and say "nay" for various reasons. Let's try not to group everybody into the "have" and "have not" categories, shall we? :ermm:

Second, my very first response when I saw this poll was "meh", and that's what I voted. I have been able to buy 1 and only 1 booster of HoT so far, and that was for my venue's release event. It was not a chase pack. If it had been, I would have been super-excited and happy (even more so if it had a Frog), but I can say with absolute certainty it would not have changed my vote. It's like somebody said earlier in the thread: playing ANY kind of game like this, whether it's mini's or cards, has it's share of risks when buying boosters. It's a gamble. You either get something you need or something you don't. I can remember my first booster of M&M had a Green Scar, and after buying MANY of them after that, I never pulled another one. My first Crisis booster had Kyle Rayner and Green Lantern, two of the only characters I wanted from the set at first. Many boosters of that set later, I was getting stuff I didn't really want or need. Them's the breaks.

My point is, to me, the packs aren't that big of a deal. You could pull something great and your buddy who's buying at the same time gets bunk. It's going to happen. There is no need for this level of freak-out over something that could very well be (and most likely is) just a simple, human distribution error.

[Surfer13]

I like the idea, but I would change the execution.

SRs average 1:3 normal boosters.

Hot packs contain five SR figures.

Number of Super rare figures increased in every set to maintain at least a 1:48 chance of finding a specific SR (SRs become more common overall in my scheme, but I want to maintain, or even increase, the rarity of a specific SR).

Chase figures are packed in the C/SR slot in boosters that have them.

Every case or every other case contains a "special" pack, either a chase pack or a hot pack.

The current "feast or famine" method is a little discouraging to those that are starving. People will always complain, but I don't think that expecting 12-13 SRs from two cases is too much, but the only reason my group got 12 SRs is because we pulled a hot pack. otherwise we were looking at 8 SRs, and 2 Srs/brick seems a little too SR to me.

I think that changing set sizes and tweaking rarities is a better way to go, and have posted other ideas of how to fill out larger sets without increasing costs, or at least not increasing them in any meaningful way.

[tyroclix]

I pulled a god-pack and still voted nay. I do agree with the above statement, repped you, and think if they are going to put in god/chase packs it needs to done in this matter.
But in my case, I did pull a god-pack (first booster) and still pulled 3 more SRs. So just because you pulled 3 SRs, does not mean there is no god/chase pack in the case.

That is why I said on average a case has 6 SR's. There have been cases with 5 and 7 as well in prior sets.

I don't recall cases with only 4 SR's outside of a lone example or 2 in prior sets. Its not a coincidence to have so many more 4 SR cases appearing when WK changes the SR ratio in certain packs.

So pulling a god-pack and having more than 2 left is mathematically possible. Regardless, though, the ratio is changed for everyone else buying from that case.

Congrats on your pull, by the way. At our first sealed event Friday we went through 26 boosters and 2 god-packs were opened. The players were excited and that was good to see. Both players were classy enough to use their Chase figures (pet peeve of mine when someone pulls a chase and doesn't use it) and a good time was had by all.

[invisibo]

sounds like its screwing over some people's distribution, which is a thumbs down.

If they're as common as they seem (I'm really surprised with the # of reports on them), then thumbs up, as it'll deflate the 2ndary market, which is good for players.

[Stardust26]

No, because I bought a brick and since my venue only got 2 bricks when HoT came out, I used 2 packs from my brick in the booster draft. Then, 2 days later, I went to pick up my other 8 because they got more in. I got a god pack, but if I didn't get that one, I wouldn't get 1 SR, and then I would be very, very, very sad.

[tom730]

I voted no.
This is in spite of the fact that I bought TWO cases and got TWO chases!
One of each Chase for crying out loud!:laugh:
I really think it was a "stunt" to tie in with the god-themed set, and won't show up again.
I hope so anyway.
it really causes a LOT of guys to get NO SRs and a very few guys to get a LOT, at least when buying individual boosters.
I don't think that is good for the stores, which ultimately is also not good for the game.
I DO like the fact that the Chase figs are more numerous in this set.
One Chase per two cases is nice.
Lots of happy players.
Just don't think the "god boosters" are a great idea for the reasons I mentioned.

[fenriswolf]

I voted no because in a sealed tournament as happened this past weekend, one God pack was had and no one else got a SR. Fortunately the second brick was better for the players and distribution.

[grey_zealot]

I voted "Meh", but only because it was the closest to "Other".

OPINION:
Collation was not up to snuff with HoT. It was cool to get a God Pack, but it seemed SRs were harder to pull overall.

At the other end of the rarity spectrum: Great to have so many 'generic' in a set, but I don't know what happened to my 4 bricks. I pulled paltry ammounts of 'generics' and a whole mass of duplicate "named" characters.

Both ends, and my resulting pulls, make me leary of buying loose, or even another sealed brick. Might have to turn to the secondary market for singles much earlier than I have in the past.

[doctor_x]

I just read that someone here on the realms bought a case and didn't get a single SR.

I bought 1 booster and pulled an SR.

It seems that the godpacks have screwed things up for sure....

[rowesbud]

I hate to say it, but I think my vote was influenced because I got one. :-/

But even generally speaking, I have horrible luck with boosters. Despite buying at least a case of every set since Sinister, I've never once pulled a chase... and only ever like 10 SR. I just have bad luck. But I still get excited about buying an occasional booster from any set that has chase figures because I hope I'll pull one.

So, I voted Yay, not just because I bought one, but because if I ever had to pick between a set with no chase/god packs and a set with those elements, I'd always buy a booster of the former. I think it creates long term marketability.

[wintremute]

WOW! The Yay's really closed that gap. From a percentage, it's not that far off, close to a split.

[W.I.T]

I voted meh. I was one of the lucky ones, heck better than lucky, I bought 2 bricks, and pulled 2 God Packs, 1 of each Chase. Dumb luck. I`d only ever pulled Susan Richards before that, even though I buy at least a brick + boosters every set since bricks first came out. However, I did end up with 3 duplicate SR (Loki, Seth and Ultron) and didn`t get the SR I really wanted. (Odin, Kurse and Thor and Loki) So in the end, I am looking to trade away my Frog, to try to complete my 1-60 set. After a `case` I still needed 5 R and 7 SR. Disgusting really. Having said all that, I still like the idea of the possibility of pulling a Chase, but I am not a huge fan of the God Packs.