How To Fix Everything (Almost)

[Iron Angel]

A popular complaint amongst Heroclickers has always been that the figs don't properly represent the "real" (read: comic book) world. This fig should have this power, this fig shouldn't have that power, and so on ad infinitum.

With that in mind, I took it upon myself to suggest some house rules that would fix things. This is what I came up with:

Daredevil possesses Leap/Climb as well as all the attributes of the Superman Ally team ability, since his radar sense and heightened senses can pinpoint a person’s location even through cover.

Juggernaut is invulnerable. Not the power, but actually invulnerable, since nothing can physically harm him in the comic world. At no time should he take any damage, even through Incapacitate pushes. He should have Charge and Super Strength and deal 4 clicks of damage. The Unique only can be affected by Mind Control and Psychic Blast.

Wasp can only carry Ant-Man and Yellowjacket. At the same time, any character can carry those three figs regardless of whether they can fly or not, as they fit in the palm of your hand.

Magneto can use Mind Control on Wolverine and Bullseye, because he can magnetically move their adamantium skeletons any way he sees fit. The same applies to robotic characters such as Ultron, Vision, Doombots and Steel.

Ultron, Vision, Doombots and any other robotic characters cannot be healed by Medics. A Technician character would need to be created in order to “heal” robotic figs. They also cannot be affected by Mind Control or Psychic Blast.

Wolverine/ Logan and Sabertooth’s mutant powers automatically cause them to regenerate one click per round.

Rogue not only takes back one click of health from Steal Energy, she also takes on the hit fig’s powers for 1 round. This includes flight for the Rookie Rogue. Neither of these abilities apply to robotic or armored characters (Steel, Dr Doom).

Black Cat’s Probability Control can only be used in a situation where she herself would take damage.

Cyclops and Havoc (if he’s forthcoming) will have no effect on each other with ranged combat attacks.

Invisible Girl/Woman has the equivalent of the Green Lantern team ability, since she can create invisible platforms that a number of people can stand on at the same time.

Flash has a movement of 30 with Hypersonic Speed. He can also pass through blocking terrain, but it is destroyed in the process since when Wally vibrates through matter it explodes. He should also get the aquatic movement symbol, since he can run across water.

Superman can knock down any wall he wants to, at any time. Period.

Swamp Thing can only be affected by fire or explosive attacks. All physical attacks simply pass through his elemental body.

Green Lantern will have every power except Mind Control, Psychic Blast, Super Senses, Impervious and Steal Energy. The Hal Jordan figure will only be vulnerable to characters with yellow coloration (Rookie Dials do not count).

Batman can do anything he wants because, well, he’s Batman.

Barriers: Fire barriers (Pyro and Firelord) extinguish after one round, as do energy barriers (Invisible Woman, Green Lantern). Ice barriers (Blizzard, Iceman) take five rounds to dissolve. Mystical barriers (Dr Strange, Quasar) last as long as the figure is in play unless dismissed with an action. Avalanche’s barrier is permanent unless he takes an action to remove it.

This is not a complete list. This is just off the top of my head. Any comments for "repairing" figs is welcome.

[nacnac]

Juggs, can't be hurt? are you crazy! 97 points to annilate a board without taking any clix?

I liked th rest of the rules though. I espesially agree with Greenlantern and batman though. Could be fun!:P

[Iron Angel]

Originally posted by nacnac
Juggs, can't be hurt? are you crazy! 97 points to annilate a board without taking any clix?

I liked th rest of the rules though. I espesially agree with Greenlantern and batman though. Could be fun!:P

Yeah, forgot to add that part. My thought was to double the point value on the dial. That might make it a little better.

[fatalsync]

I would like to point out that Wasp can carry normal human sized characters when she is herself human sized.

If you read the Avengers Forever series, there is a part where she picks up the Absorbing Man.

[imafineboy]

how are you supposed to beat Juggernaut then? wait till he pushes to death? I don't get it.

[Iron Angel]

Originally posted by imafineboy
how are you supposed to beat Juggernaut then? wait till he pushes to death? I don't get it.

That's my point. You can't. Just like in the comic world, Spider Man would have no chance of knocking Juggy out. For that matter, neither would Thor or the Hulk. He's invulnerable in the truest sense of the world. He cannot be physically injured. The Unique, who isn't wearing his helmet, can be mind controlled or hurt with a psychic blast, but that's it. Physically, he's untouchable.

I wasn't trying to make the gameplay any easier. The whole point of the post was to point out ways to make Heroclix figs more akin to their comic book inspiration, which is what many people want.

[Iron Angel]

Originally posted by fatalsync
I would like to point out that Wasp can carry normal human sized characters when she is herself human sized.

If you read the Avengers Forever series, there is a part where she picks up the Absorbing Man.

I didn't read that series. Last I had read, she didn't grow her wings until she shrunk down to wasp-size.

[Jack_Acid]

I always wondered what the beef was with Wasp carrying other figs. She has a small amount of super-strength (not the power) at least enough to bend an iron bar.

i am not totally aware of her post heroes reborn abilities but she could grow wings at about 4 feet tall, thats not normal size and all but still small.

The rest of the rules are pretty cool.

[SgtHulka]

Oh my god that's so funny. I especially love "rookie dials don't count".

And, oddly enough, I REALLY want to play with these rules. But I better bring batman to the table, because otherwise my opponent will field juggernaut and kick my @ss. LOL.

[Magnito]

Originally posted by Iron Angel


That's my point. You can't. Just like in the comic world, Spider Man would have no chance of knocking Juggy out.

Didn't Spidy beat Juggs once by luring him into cement, or am I imagining things?

[Magnito]

Nightcrawler should be able to just apear any where he has a line of fire to (Even elevated terrain)

[Silverlynx35]

Juggy should be vulnerable to Incapacitate. Talk about give that power a boost. That would also represent the cement foundation scenario that Magnito presented. And about halfway through the dial, he should gain Battle Fury. To represent someone getting his helmet off.

What can I say, he's my fav character ever.

Just a thought
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[NightWing14]

Trying to "Fix" the game by trying to acurately represent what happens in the comics will result in a lot of "but in issue #129 he did this!!"

e.g. Juggs is Invulnerable to any attack, In Marvel vs DC didn't superman knock him out with one punch when Juggs punched the Daily planet Building!?! that means Superman should have a damage value of 12!!!!

[T_Darksoul]

I think Iron Angel is on to something here.

I personally think that to make the characters more like the comics (which is what MANY people want) this list should be the start of the new 3500 page rulebook that lists every fig seperately and does away with the PAC.

All the figs will get their own page and stats like

Fighting
Agility
Strength
Endurance
Reason
Intuition
Psyche
Health
Karma
Resources
Popularity
and then the list of their powers.

And they will have power levels from Poor to Class 1000.

And then we can play the roles of our figs;)

Heroclix would be much, much cooler and true to the comics if we do this.

Who wants to start? :rolleyes:

[Spider_Cide]

In an issue of Amazing Spider-Man vol 1, Juggs was sent to retrieve Madam Web <she would make one kick ### fig> and Spidy was sent to stop Juggs. I don't remember the full details of the battle but Spidy did keep Juggernaut from his primary goal.

[Silverlynx35]

Well, not exactly. Juggernaut got to Madame Web but Spidey explained that she could not use her "power" away from her support machine so Juggernaut started to leave. But Madame Web was injured which PO's Spidey and he went after Juggy, eventually getting him stuck in the wet, cement foundation of a building.

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[The_Orphan]

Mmmm... Marvel Super Heroes references....

[Spookythecat]

If I remember this correctly, Spidey beating Juggernaut was pure, random chance. Spider-man had grab Mister J on the head, couldn't hurt him, and was pretty much getting beat to death. Juggernaut just happened to fall into wet cement and sink while concentrating on Spidey.

Hey! There's another one for the list. Spider-man has the "Insane Luck" power, which means that whenver he gets KO'd the opponent has to keep rolling the dice over and over again until they critically miss!

[darius_dax1]

This is great! Some of the funniest stuff I have ever read.

[EVIL CAP]

Originally posted by T_Darksoul
I think Iron Angel is on to something here.

I personally think that to make the characters more like the comics (which is what MANY people want) this list should be the start of the new 3500 page rulebook that lists every fig seperately and does away with the PAC.

All the figs will get their own page and stats like

Fighting
Agility
Strength
Endurance
Reason
Intuition
Psyche
Health
Karma
Resources
Popularity
and then the list of their powers.

And they will have power levels from Poor to Class 1000.

And then we can play the roles of our figs;)

Heroclix would be much, much cooler and true to the comics if we do this.

Who wants to start? :rolleyes:


LMAO great thats such a wonderful idea im surprised nobody came up with it in 1984 and printed several books about it.Heck im even surprised i havent been playing that for a while already with a bunch of my friends.Nice one bonus points and a cookie for you :p

[Unasoda]

Originally posted by Iron Angel
That's my point. You can't. Just like in the comic world, Spider Man would have no chance of knocking Juggy out. For that matter, neither would Thor or the Hulk. He's invulnerable in the truest sense of the world. He cannot be physically injured. The Unique, who isn't wearing his helmet, can be mind controlled or hurt with a psychic blast, but that's it. Physically, he's untouchable.

I wasn't trying to make the gameplay any easier. The whole point of the post was to point out ways to make Heroclix figs more akin to their comic book inspiration, which is what many people want.

That's kind of funny, because in last week's Uncanny X-Men, Juggy would have died from being hurt in an explosion if it weren't for a few drops of Archangel's blood.

Comic geeks: ya gotta luv us ('cuz no one else will). ;)

[remywokeup]

Notice that the end of the dial says KO. Not "defeated" or "killed" or even "hurt." You're not killing Juggernaut, you're taking him out of the battle. That's been done countless times. Juggernaut may be invulnerable, but he can't do whatever he wnats. Other characters stop him. They just can't kill him.

Spiderman tricked him into falling into a hole, or into the sea. So, Spiderman can beat Juggernaut.

[EVIL CAP]

Even if you go back a to the early 80s with X-men at beginning of their peak era and way before Juggy got toned down Hulk and Thor were still capable of hurting him and more often than not beating him flat out

[skforeman]

wasn't juggernaut also considered an unstoppable force? maybe he always deals knockback in an attack.

and what about blob? i thought his shtick was being an immovable object. so he never suffers knockback.

hmm?

[WarUlt]

I don't know I think this whole thread is bogus.
An invincible Juggernaut? Who cares how much he costs? That fig would be the only one who is truly "broken."
As for everything else, who would remember all these eccentricities? I have a hard time enough remembering some normal rules.
This is a GAME. Not an RPG, not a comic book. If you don't like it, make house rules, or better, make your own game.
Print does not translate to plastic, just play and have fun.

[verisoph]

Superman's dial shouldn't have any KOs. His numbers shouldn't change throughout his dial, either. He should simply have different powers on different clicks. This way, you could start him on whichever click appealed to you the most, and as people hit him, he'd eventually get back to that click.

[T_Darksoul]

Originally posted by WarUlt
I don't know I think this whole thread is bogus.
An invincible Juggernaut? Who cares how much he costs? That fig would be the only one who is truly "broken."
As for everything else, who would remember all these eccentricities? I have a hard time enough remembering some normal rules.
This is a GAME. Not an RPG, not a comic book. If you don't like it, make house rules, or better, make your own game.
Print does not translate to plastic, just play and have fun.

Man I don't know if you hit the nail on the head or if you missed the entire reason for this thread. IT IS BOGUS. It is a sarcastic jab at all the people whining about the rules and the "broken" figs.;)

[darius_dax1]

It is?:)

I thought it was for real.:(

I wanted the game to have no structure or accountability.

[T_Darksoul]

Well if we go by all the "FIX" threads it will be?

Does that make you feel better?:p

[T_Darksoul]

Originally posted by EVIL CAP
LMAO great thats such a wonderful idea im surprised nobody came up with it in 1984 and printed several books about it.Heck im even surprised i havent been playing that for a while already with a bunch of my friends.Nice one bonus points and a cookie for you :p

MMMMMM.

phanx fr tuh cooky.

AHH.

It was very tasty.:grin:

[darius_dax1]

Originally posted by T_Darksoul
Well if we go by all the "FIX" threads it will be?

Does that make you feel better?:p

In the short time that I have been an hcrealms member I think I have posted on every rules change thread I have seen.

[]V[GoldEagle]

Originally posted by darius_dax1
In the short time that I have been an hcrealms member I think I have posted on every rules change thread I have seen.

I normally just ignore the "Let's fix this..yadda yadda" or "So-and-so is broken/borken/underpowered/overpowered/not like his comic counterpart/really a hooker with a fancy name" threads, but the funny ones, where people actually have interesting things to say are always the best. Now if I could only say something funny....

Oh, btw...do I have to buy a new starter pack, that will come with different dials for the figs, to represent what era IE: Golden Age, Silver Age, and Modern Age?? And what about the different logo's that Batman and Superman have had?? Different figures?? Ugh...does this mean I have to re-enact the Maximum Clonage storyline??!?!??! :ermm:

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!! :confused:

[T_Darksoul]

I think that all of the characters that are currently DEAD in the comics be BANNED from all play. As well as any character that is not currently on Earth should be BANNED.

[Lunatik]

I'm with you a 100% !!!
That's the beauty of this game. We can change it to fit whatever interest we have. If one likes Role-Playing then have your fogs interact with each other. You like Scenarios...Go ahead and send Dr.Doom back to wherever he's from. You want to have SuperHeroes acuurate to the comics...You want to play with 3D buildings... Anyway I think that this forum should have a special section for custumized/alternate rules. Peaople with same interests could share and inspire each other.

Personally I like the game the way it is, but I don't mind playing with 3D building once in a while.

My two Cents
-Sly-

[Keleko]

I've seen Rogue, Psylocke and Longshot defeat Juggernaut in a late 80's X-Men issue. He was definitely KOed too.