help with Mysterio

[sluggo]

A friend of mine is making a Mysterio heroclix, what should his dial look like. We have an idea but I'm just wondering what some other people think.

[Bubblehead]

Here's my idea:

7 6 6 5 5 4
10 9 8 7 7 6
171515141313
2 1 1 1 1 1

Speed: 1st and last click: Stealth
Attack: Smoke Cloud straight thru
Defense: none
Damage: 1st click: Outwit, 2nd click Perplex, 3rd and 4th click: Shape Change

1 arrow , 4 range

That's a pretty good V Mysterio I think.

[the itsy bit]

Mysterio..

Well Shape Change is a given: HIS projections !
outwit..........
well maybe because his gas(smoke cloud) did neutralize Spideys Spider Senses
perplex, no I don't think so he already got Shape Change and Smoke cloud.
Stealth MAYBE on the V.

10 attack ! 2 damage! NOoooo. :rolleyes:
he's just a normal guy with no powers except illusion so an 7,8 attack (Sinister Syndicate can boost it, so why go with a ten ??).
1 damage => he isn't a trained fighter.you could even go with a 0 for rookie/EXp.

well That's it: ouwit for 1 click is already powerfull ! and a 17 defence for when you thought he was going to be there but isn't !

[Aron]

Perplex, definetely - Mysterio has always been a perplexing character

Low AV probably - 9 Maybe 10 tops
Perplex, Smoke cloud, Stealth on most of his dial - especially his perplexing clicks, barrier? Leap Climb or "phasing" on his shape change/supersenses clicks?
Supersenses instead of shape change (or shape change later on his dial or both at one point together) Mind control? incap probly.
Damage 1

6 range most likely.

[Bubblehead]

In defence,

The high attack and defense value on the first click is simply because when facing Mysterio the hero probably doesn't know he's there. Therefore, he'd be extremely hard to hit and he has the element of surprise on his attack, thus the bonus of the 10 and the 17. Now he can't be hidden if he doesn't have stealth and he always uses smoke and projectors. Also the holograms are to serve as a perfect outwit. Perplex on the 2nd click when he's discovered and Shape Change just because he goes back to his bag of tricks to throw you off. How many times has he been the desk in the office when zapping Spider Man???? Too many to count!!!!! I can concede the 1 damage on the first click (again put 2 on the damage because of the surprise) but 0..... I don't think so. He can always damage you with whatever weaponry he has. He does carry personal weaponry most if not all the time. Anyway, there ya go. My thoughts on .......... ME! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA. Ahem......Exit....Stage Left!

[Bubblehead]

Originally posted by the itsy bit
Mysterio..

Well Shape Change is a given: HIS projections !
outwit..........
well maybe because his gas(smoke cloud) did neutralize Spideys Spider Senses
perplex, no I don't think so he already got Shape Change and Smoke cloud.
Stealth MAYBE on the V.

10 attack ! 2 damage! NOoooo. :rolleyes:
he's just a normal guy with no powers except illusion so an 7,8 attack (Sinister Syndicate can boost it, so why go with a ten ??).
1 damage => he isn't a trained fighter.you could even go with a 0 for rookie/EXp.

well That's it: ouwit for 1 click is already powerfull ! and a 17 defence for when you thought he was going to be there but isn't !

I wouldn't put the V Mysterio on the SinSYn team..... he's lately been on his own. And yes he is trained as one of the best stuntman in the world. He knows how to take a punch. Why has he lasted this long against all those Spidey punches????? It's all preference. Anybody care to tally up the points my Mysterio would be????? And then you go from there!

[hoffmandu]

Mysterio is one #### sly villian. I think a new power is in order for this. Illusion/ fear maybe.....

[Phantom]

Shape-Change is a strictly-DC power that is already a team-ability, so I don’t think we’d see it on Mysterio.

Mastermind would be a good ability for him. He could also conceivably have Mind Control, since he’s able to trick the heroes into seeing friends as allies.

Perplex, Outwit, Phasing, Incapacitate are also powers he could work with.

I think he’d be similar to Doc Ock – his Rookie and Veteran versions would have no affiliation, while his Experienced version would by SinSyn to reflect his time in the Sinister Six.

[CyberVenom]

Here's my ideas for Mysterio (this is for R/E/V/U versions, so pick and choose the abilities depending on which one was made):

Med. Cost; Med. Speed; Low Attack; High Defense; 2 or 3 Damage; 4 range w/ 1 arrow
Speed Powers: Mind Control (he can trick his opponents into attacking friendly figures)
Attack Powers: Smoke Cloud; Poison; Energy Explosion; Pulse Wave
Defense Powers: Mastermind
Damage Powers: Perplex
R/E/V/U=Sinister Syndicate Team Ability.

[hoffmandu]

Low cost characters don't generally have so many powers. I'd say, he have 3, 4 at the most. Mind control, invuln (just like invis girl) incapac, i'm not sure what else.

[sluggo]

I like the idea about only the Exp. being on the anti-spider team.

We though about giving him smoke cloud, stealth and posion. Please keep them coming

[nacnac]

He might have mind control to represent him fooling enemies. Definetly, though, if they made hime they would need to put shape change into marvel.:)

[Bubblehead]

Shape Change is DC!!!!! D'oh!!!!!!! Oh well ixnay on the hape se hange ce. Leave that at one click of outwit and one of perplex then. Perplex is just too darn expensive.

I guess I can see where someone could subtley give Mysterio the "mind control" power. I could even see someone justifying leap/climb because of his spring boots and whatnot.....but I'd rather just see him have the awesome combo of outwit/stealth/smokecloud on his first click. He can make his own hindering terrain...can't be seen..... and outwit people all game long. Yes I favor Mysterio but I try to be honest in his powers. I couldn't favor him with poison or phasing. He's human and he just doesn't do those things.

Also, not too many Marvel characters have outwit at all. It'd be nice to see a villain have it on the first click for once.

[Phantom]

Phasing could be easily justified for him – he’s Mysterio! Is it that hard to see him having an illusion standing where you think he is, only for him to pop up behind you? Or to have a place rigged with trapdoors and whatnot?

Poison is a tough one, since he really hasn’t used poison much. And Smoke Cloud hasn’t made its way into Marvel yet.

Honestly, the more I think about him the more his Veteran version seems like it should fall into the grey area between Joker and the Enchantress. How’s this for a dial:

7 6 6 5 5 4
9 9 8 7 7 6
161515141313
2 1 1 1 1 1

6-8 range, one arrow.

Speed: Three clicks of Mind-Control, one click of nothing, then two of Phasing.
Attack: Two clicks of Energy Explosion, then two of Incapacitate, then two of Smoke Cloud
Defense: One or two clicks of Mastermind, then two of Barrier
Damage: Two clicks of Outwit, three clicks of Perplex

Basically, his last click he’s down to nothing except for his smoke clouds. Price wise he’d be in the 70-80 point range, and the Rookie/Experienced versions would probably have less mind control, outwit, and clicks of life. Sound about right?