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AZS
02/14/2003, 09:52
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Welcome to my reviews and thanks for reading.
I’m writing these to start discussions, have some fun, and I hope you will too.
These reviews look at stats, cost, playability and strategy in the context of 200 and 300 pt games. Also, while I have nothing against mixing sets, to make this a little easier, these are only discussed in relation to the Marvel Universe.
Feel free to object or agree with anything! If you have a valid point, I’ll be more than happy to back you up.

I’m departing very slightly from the regular format and writing a mass review for all versions of everyone’s favorite overproduced bad girl: Elektra

This ninja chick is somewhat unique in that she has multiple versions of her character all with the same name. So this will be a review of all the versions of the Sai wielding wacky woman starting with the ‘classic’ Infinity Challenge version.

Standard IC Elektra is pretty straight forward with an average dial depth and powers that increase in depth over the versions.
Elektra is very similar to other Blades/Claws/Fangers in IC with stealth and some hack ‘n slash. She does stand out though as being one of two in IC with stealth and a ranged attack. The only other being Exp Captain America. Even in CT, only a handful join that club; Black Cat (later in her dial), Black Widow, Invisible Woman, and the only guy in the group, Nick Fury.
Back to Elektra, thanks to her fairly low attack values across the board she isn’t a terribly great attacker. But you can’t really complain when you see that she only costs 18, 22 and 34 points. The Rookie and Exp being Uber-cheap. Prior to Clobberin’ Time’s Vampire Lackey, these two Sai wielding vixens were the cheapest b/c/f in the game, not too shabby.
Cheap b/c/f is great, if that’s the sort of thing your into. For me, I can’t help but think for those 18 points there are a lot of other things I would rather do with the points than field a limited figure with a weak attack value. Now mind you I’m not looking for an 11 AV in a figure under 20 points, but I have to be realistic that a 7 isn’t going to hit much. I also can’t help but think of what else I can do with those 18 points. I can make an even swap for a R Quicksilver, my fig of choice for running interference, a R Vulture or even Exp if I have some fudge room. In CT I have R Black Cat whose L/C is good for getting across the board to tie up medics, and R Avalanche is great for cheap barrier. All of these figs have more strategic advantage for *my* play style than an 18 pt Elektra with 1 click of b/c/f and some stealth.
In the exp version, again I feel my own strategy can do better with 22 points of other figs. Maybe a rookie Doc Ock from CT, or just splitting the points up among my existing figs to upgrade my taxis and medics. So I’m not too keen on this fig so far.
The Vet has a respectable attack of 9, but then again so does Blade. But the real kicker for the Vet is that she’ll always be overshadowed by the Unique for a very mere 2 points more.

So with that all said, I can admit that I don’t play with regular Elektra. If I ever get the urge to put one on a team I always go with the Unique. Her stats are almost exactly like the Vet, but with the Attack Value being significantly better. In fact I think Unique Elektra might be the cheapest figure in the entire game with an 11 attack value. Add to that the b/c/f and you finally have a worthy figure. A great figure. Its interesting what a significant difference 2 points in the AV can make, but it’s the difference between needing an average roll of 7 to hit an 18 defense, or reaching to hit with a roll of 9. This is where the rest of Elektra comes together too; the stealth means she can move on her own across the board, or if you pair he with a taxi that can make short hops across the map while stopping to hide in terrain. B/c/f makes her dangerous and the high AV makes her playable. This is where it all comes together.

Over in Clobberin Time we get another version of the princess of pointy things with “Glaive” Elektra. This figure just looks great. Plus the added security of the new style bases so she won’t snap off when clicking her and the extra care WK took in packaging her so we didn’t end up with a box full of bent wookies.

However, for all the posturing, this similarly costed version of Elektra doesn’t even hold up to the fairly low standards set by her predecessor. The same attack values are there, 7, 8 and 9, as well as the good movement and ample stealth. But she’s traded out the b/c/f and the seemingly short range of 4 for Ranged Combat Expert and a long stick with which she can poke you (cut it out!) from 2 squares away.

As if the low attack value wasn’t a handicap enough on its own, the RCE with an embarrassingly short range makes Steven Hawkins look like an Olympiad by comparison. Just like many factors come together to make Unique Elektra so good, many factors conspire to make this dancing dame, well, lame. The short range to start pretty much speaks for itself. Again the attack value is sub par for a Resurrected-Ninja-Killer-Lady with a lead role in a major motion picture. But its really the RCE that hurts. This Elektra can only do high damage to an opponent who is specifically 2 squares away, or a flying character in base with her. Any farther than 2, or if she’s based with a grounded opponent, and ~pow~ she’s worthless. I do have to give credit to the designers for being creative with the characters in CT and for trying new things. But in my opinion if there is going to be an Elektra in every set, and thus some annoyed fans (I’m not one of them, its all the same to me), it might help to make the figure more playable so fans have less to complain about.
(then again, you could give them 24 ct gold figures for a nickel each and they’d still find something to complain about. “They’re too shiny” “I prefer silver” “My cat ate them.” Etc... fans will be fans :rolleyes: ).

In the end, Elektra is pretty much fish bait for filling my tackle box and gettin’ freaky with my Doc Ocks. (they’re always tangled together, I think there’s something going on there.) The one exception being the Unique version that is so spectacularly playable she makes me completely forget about the wastes of plastic that are IC and CT Elektras.

On a side note, I have no idea if the “list” floating around the net is accurate, but it seems to me that its more than likely there will be another Elektra in Xplosion. I have high hopes that this version is going to be completely different, and floor us all! Then again, I’ve had the same hopes that I was going to win the lottery, and yet here I am still mingling with the common folk. :rolleyes: ;)


Thanks again to all for reading, even after so long. I hope I’m still managing to remain interesting and fresh, and your feedback goes a long way towards keeping me going.

Starting next week, and here on out till Xplosion I will be posting two reviews a week on Tuesdays and Thursdays.
So ‘till next Tuesday, have a great weekend and I’ll see ya around the board.


Check out my other reviews at these links:
Marvel Reviews (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=16280) . . . DC Reviews (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=14015)

Random
02/14/2003, 09:54
Nice as alway's.

LurkMaster2000
02/14/2003, 09:59
i'm still trying to figure out why they picked elektra to be in every set, and make her be useless unless she is a unique. why even waste a spot? why not pick daredevil to be the character to be included in every set (with wolverine, hulk, and spidey)?

good review, azs.

Styrix
02/14/2003, 10:03
By the way, it was a good movie. :D

AZS
02/14/2003, 10:04
LM2K, I have absolutely nothing to base this on other than my own gut, but I strongly suspect it is marvel driving the Elektra bus and pushing for her to be in every set. There's the sense that Marvel is trying to "brand" her and forcibly create the next Marvel Icon.
On top of that, she's one of just a couple of their recognizable female characters (at least lately) maybe second only after Storm. So maybe they're trying to be PC with this too.

Styrix
02/14/2003, 10:11
And Jean Grey. I also suspect more people will know Kitty Pride come Xmen 2. Hey, her story could make a good TV show, ala Buffy The Vampire Slayer, only better.

Angafea
02/14/2003, 10:13
Great review!

Thanks big A

HalfassedNinja
02/14/2003, 10:37
Originally posted by azs
On a side note, I have no idea if the “list” floating around the net is accurate, but it seems to me that its more than likely there will be another Elektra in Xplosion. I have high hopes that this version is going to be completely different, and floor us all! Then again, I’ve had the same hopes that I was going to win the lottery, and yet here I am still mingling with the common folk. :rolleyes: ;) [/B]

SHHHHH!!! It's a pinapple. We know not of a list :D

Anyway, what about the bigger waste of plastic that is the CT LE Elektra. She is awfuler, if that's even a real word. The only one I use is the IC Unique.

I hope that the Ninja fruit that bears from the Pinapples come in CCE flavor if they bring that power to Marvel. That could be interesting.

Styrix
02/14/2003, 10:58
The thing is, Electra ain't the most powerful character in the Marvel unverse. She's basically just a super-ninja. I guess they could come up with a Leap/Climb version, but after that, with the IC U version out as the best representation of the Movie Electra, what do you really need?

Maybe a Will Power Electra?

Capt Crunch
02/14/2003, 10:59
Good review.

Your review was very insightful as to why the character is worthwhile (or not) expenditure for the points she costs.

This is very useful for a new player like me.

Obviously the formula doesn't do her justice and that you need good AV for a melee driven BCF figure.

BTW I would love to see a review of Quasar and a review of the various powers from a standpoint of power and cost. I think everyone is pretty much agreed that Outwit seems to be the king of powers and perhaps Smokescreen is proabably the worst....but it would make for a good discussion.

stimpy
02/14/2003, 11:17
DANGIT!!!
I thought this was going to be a review of Elektra the user on the Realms, not just the silly Heroclix piece...Oh well...nice review anyway. (sigh) ;)

Random
02/14/2003, 11:25
LOL Stimpy, what did ya want her stats or something?

webhead817
02/14/2003, 13:17
I definitely agree with azs, for standard team building, the U is good (I'd say outstanding), the rest are below par.

HOWEVER, I must point out that in sealed play, any Elektra might be above average. Her ability to deal above average damage whether via B/C/F or RCE is huge in a limited format, where you aren't facing a death star formation of Cyclops and Bullseye backed by Invisible Girl. In sealed, I've seen her CT version fielded in multiples, which can really control an area of an indoor map, for example.

Mr. Pilkington
02/14/2003, 14:01
Am I the only one who misreads the CT LE Elektra as "electric nachos"? :D

Seriously, I am one of the Elektra haters. I have never liked the character and I don't like the fact that we get so d@rn many of them. The IC unique is a good figure. The rest frankly aren't. I liked the ideas behind the CT Elektra's power set, but I would have much rather they pick someone else to put them on (whether the new character was any more playable or not). The only really good thing I have to say about Elektra is that she can be a decent base figure to mod from (I have a Hawkgirl mod almost done that started from an IC Electra)(wait... am I allowed to mention DC in a Marvel thread?). I guess I could use all of those IC R Elektra bases as random ninja figures (maybe hack up some Intergang agents and make Foot ninja)(wait, I mentioned Dc again... *and* independant comics!). I do plan to make a Gamora (sp?) conversion on the unique base for my Infinity crew mods.

LurkMaster2000
02/14/2003, 14:50
Originally posted by azs
LM2K, I have absolutely nothing to base this on other than my own gut, but I strongly suspect it is marvel driving the Elektra bus and pushing for her to be in every set. There's the sense that Marvel is trying to "brand" her and forcibly create the next Marvel Icon.
On top of that, she's one of just a couple of their recognizable female characters (at least lately) maybe second only after Storm. So maybe they're trying to be PC with this too.

i do agree that it might be marvel as well, but couldn't they have at least stipulated to make at least 40% of her figures useful? i have only used the unique and have never considered using the others, for the exact same reasons you posted.

you'll never hit anybody with a 7 attack with the BCF rolls. might as well get a medic, because the only time you'll be using that 7 attack is when you're healing somebody who already has a low defense...

one would hope the "next marvel icon" would be powerful enough to have a following. :p

vlouden
02/14/2003, 15:58
Oh no! I have to cope with only 2 "azs" per week? Say it aint so. Either way, keep them coming...


BTW, I am putting in my order for an autographed copy of your Top 20 list on nice paper with logos and HC watermark (suitable for framing) to be picked up at a convention this summer :)

Elektra
02/14/2003, 17:07
I'm worthless? Only my Unique is worth playing? Well......I agree. When I found out CT was going to have another one I got excited....till I seen it. And sources tell me that the Xplosion one will make up for all ####py ones we see. As for a reveiw of me...I'm not sure you guys could handle that. But if someone could do it, I'm sure it would be Azs.

gelf13
02/14/2003, 17:31
Great job as usual Asz! Keep it up.

Styrix wrote:
And Jean Grey. I also suspect more people will know Kitty Pride come Xmen 2. Hey, her story could make a good TV show, ala Buffy The Vampire Slayer, only better.

HERETIC!!!!!!!!!!!!!! there is nothing better than BtVS!:)
Gelf

Mr. Pilkington
02/14/2003, 17:39
Great job as usual Asz!

Tee hee. He put your initials in alphabetical order. :D

gelf13
02/14/2003, 17:46
Originally posted by Mr. Pilkington


Tee hee. He put your initials in alphabetical order. :D

D'OH!!!!
'Twas merely a slip of the typological pen, merely that and nothing more. But still there came a scratching, a scratching on my computer door. "ye shall rue the day ye mis-typed teh Azs..."
Only that and nothing more...

:D
Gelf

(TEH??? Meant "the" but... had to leave that in. too good.)

Ghost_Rider
02/14/2003, 22:04
Trust me, the new Elektra is going to surprise everyone.

Ghost

FalconKnight
02/14/2003, 22:27
Originally posted by Ghost_Rider
Trust me, the new Elektra is going to surprise everyone.

Ghost

at 160 points... it surprised the hell outta me...

Valandar
02/25/2003, 16:16
Good god!!! What did she do, become a herald of Galactus?!?!?!?!?

Dormammu
02/25/2003, 17:30
Couldn't agree with the review more. With a 7 attack she will hit a 14 defense 50% of the time, and 9 attack hits a 16 defense 50% of the time. There are several figures you can do better with for the points cost! Nice job with the rest of the comparisons.

JacinB
02/25/2003, 17:35
Originally posted by Elektra
As for a reveiw of me...I'm not sure you guys could handle that. But if someone could do it, I'm sure it would be Azs.

Sexual harrassment! Sexual harrassment!

CyberVenom
02/25/2003, 17:36
Originally posted by JacinB


Sexual harrassment! Sexual harrassment!


Yeah! Keep going!

LarrySanders_0
11/04/2003, 18:27
why is there a debate about this mess?

nine versions, not one justified

PantherShade
11/04/2003, 18:43
Actually, there are 10 versions, and the 10th version ROCKS.

The LE for the (ranged) Hand Ninja is called Elektra.
For only 19 points, she shoots at a range of 8 for 3 damage from stealth. All while donating her Hydra team ability to those next to her.

LarrySanders_0
11/04/2003, 18:54
lets be realistic here, electra does not possess any superpowers, she does not have super strength or some fancy eye beams of some sort, how then you warrant 3 damage, damage spider man can not inflict even with his supposed super strength.

In short the character electra is as well trained as any other ninja would be, maybe less so considering the lifetime a true ninja spends honing his skillls, not flirting with matt murdock in new york city.

I dont agree with trying to keep all the sad pathetic fan boys happy by constantly re-creating the same figure base with a different seductive posed model, instead of producing figures that have not yet been released.

TyeDyeSamurai
11/05/2003, 18:51
The Elektra version you seem to be describing is from Elektra: Assassin. I don't know anything about the arc, but I've heard from a variety of people that she was super powered in it, enough to warrant all that junk on her dial.

four_winds
11/05/2003, 18:56
If thats the case how do you warrant a 3 damage on Batman and Nightwing?

Spider-Bat
11/05/2003, 19:29
Because they (Elektra included) know where to strike an enemy to do that much damage. Spider-Man hasn't had training, and Dare Devil isn't (well, maybe recently) as brutal as Elektra. The Bat guys also have Outwit, just to show how they come prepared for almost anything.