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as a new member i dont expect to have much pull but an online ranking database for regions and win streaks would in my opinion add a alot of depth and competition at the local level with people vying for a top 10 spot and the chance to explain their builds and strategies in featured articles. so for the people who share this thought please post and petition for this type of database.
JDKenada
12/08/2009, 22:56
When the regional and world tournaments start happening (or "if" since I don't know what that status is), you see the results here quite rapidly. You see the "builds" almost the same day as well. Strategy is commonplace, which is why the "Strategy and Tactics" section is popular.
Over and above that, I don't see how you can rank HCRealms players. I could conceivably go 14-0 in a weekend because I play less experienced friends and build cheese to inflate my Realms ranking, while you go 1-5 against legitimately tough competition. Do you only get rank based on facing other Realmsers? What about the people who face players who aren't even on Realms (rare, I know)? Just too complex in my opinion.
I'm not trying to deflate your idea, just being honest. For those who are uber-competitive, I'd be happy to see some sort of system in place such as what you're requesting. As I countered, though, I think it's just too complex to pull off.
phantalien
12/09/2009, 01:54
as a new member i dont expect to have much pull but an online ranking database for regions and win streaks would in my opinion add a alot of depth and competition at the local level with people vying for a top 10 spot and the chance to explain their builds and strategies in featured articles. so for the people who share this thought please post and petition for this type of database.
If you want this then go to your regular venues and play the people there. Bring teams you want to play and play the people. Take note of the people you do play. Notice who the people are that you seem to always beat, and the people who always seem to beat you. Try to better yourself through strategy and see how good you get.
Then post it on the Heroclix strategy and tactics part of the forum. http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=51
There are a lot of people who post there with team ideas and actual teams that have been played along with how well they competed. There does not need to be a standings system nor featured articles. Plus, what might work for one will not always work for another.
When the regional and world tournaments start happening (or "if" since I don't know what that status is), you see the results here quite rapidly. You see the "builds" almost the same day as well. Strategy is commonplace, which is why the "Strategy and Tactics" section is popular.
Over and above that, I don't see how you can rank HCRealms players. I could conceivably go 14-0 in a weekend because I play less experienced friends and build cheese to inflate my Realms ranking, while you go 1-5 against legitimately tough competition. Do you only get rank based on facing other Realmsers? What about the people who face players who aren't even on Realms (rare, I know)? Just too complex in my opinion.
I'm not trying to deflate your idea, just being honest. For those who are uber-competitive, I'd be happy to see some sort of system in place such as what you're requesting. As I countered, though, I think it's just too complex to pull off.
I agree with the difficulties in making a ranking system.
This got me thinking though, it would be interesting to see the players who enjoy the tactical side of clix and want to play other tactical players give themselves a designation and be able to recognize each other and see how they stack up.
They could call themselves "Challengers". Then when people go to conventions or a new venue they can bring the heat when a new "Challenger" appears.
Then you can have the Challengers make a player group and within their ranks determine for themselves who among them is the most elite.
Probably not going to happen, but also throwing things out there.
~Phil
zero_cochrane
12/09/2009, 04:19
The only ranking that matters is rep. ;)
Not really. It's actually postcount.
bettytheninja
12/09/2009, 07:42
If this happens, I should totally get a handicap because of the hate I get from the dice gods. Just saying.
A ranking system isn't that bad of an idea; it would just take a lot work to verify results. We've thought about this before; but put a pause to it because we just didn't have tthe resources to do it right. Some of the issues are:
1.) Both players would have to be members of the community
2.) Both players would have to agree that the game they were about to play would be a ranked game(this allows for pick-up challenges)
3.) Both players would have to authenticate the result at hcrealms.com after the game is complete.
Most of this is pretty basic ... but imagine trying to get an overly competitive player coming to the site and validating that they lost the match! LOL!
Then you have the problem of people creating accounts and playing against "fake" users ... you know it happens; that's why we can't get prize packs for home-based play groups. Too much fraud.
My friend and I have talked about an iPhone/Android app that will allow you to track and submit game results from the venue; which will help resolve a lot of issues (ie; once they accept a challenge, they get locked out of any additional challenges until they authenticate results of a previous challenge).
We even have the capability of doing a phone based system where you dial a central number; enter the unique player id of 2 players (plus a pin), then you call back and verify who won (that's the non smart-phone method).
All of these options cost money ... so with a petition, you might as well also ask who's willing to pay for this feature and how much they'd be willing donate towards the development of a system. Just saying.
Jackofhearts2005
12/09/2009, 09:00
*cough*
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255267
lukebuchanan
12/09/2009, 09:16
It doesn't matter what rankings system is introduced, our old member MYSTERIO_LIVES would be #1, as he was 100,000 - 0 in tournament play.
He was loaded with Mastermind.
*if you got this joke, then you are a very OLD HCRealms member.....
*cough*
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?t=255267
Better get that cough looked at ... because that doesn't have anything to do with the current discussion.
This is something that could only be accurate if WK instituted a ranking system. Based on the current information, that seems unlikely as they appear to be leaving much of the AP in the hands of the judges, which, IMHO, is a good thing.
Rankings will occur if there is a WC event at a convention, but then it will only be among those who played and we usually only find out about the to 20 - 25 or so.
I say keep the rankings out of the national/international level. Unless there is a chance that you will face most of the people in the top of the rankings, it is pretty meaningless, IMO.
Just say 'NO' to rankings!
Just say 'NO' to rankings!
This.
Rankings inherently foster a cut-throat mentality in the playing community. It goes against the spirit of the game's past, which has been to give out fellowship prizes, and trying to give everyone a fun game to play. If someone gets concerned with their record, they're more inclined to play convention tournament teams every week, and less inclined to try a fun theme team once in a while. Fame (no matter how silly it is) will generally be more important to people, than little plastic prizes.
If that's the kind of environment you want, play Magic.
The only ranking that matters is rep. ;)
Not really. It's actually postcount.
Rep to you!
And what Hair10 said - "No"
Like Hair10 I volunteered at a lot of CONs (although not nearly as many as he did!) and I can tell you for a fact that watching players who were "hot stuff" at their local venue get taken apart by humble folks from other parts of the country (or other countries!) makes it apparent that "Rankings" are fine locally but have no meaning beyond that.
Your local "superstar" with an amazing ranking might get owned by a girl from Canada! (a lot of you veteran CON attendees know who I mean!)
So while it might be good for some people's egos it would have no value beyond that.
You want to be ranked? Wait for the new WK to announce any sort of regional or national or world champion events and then enter!
Apart from that it is pretty meaningless.
If someone gets concerned with their record, they're more inclined to play convention tournament teams every week, and less inclined to try a fun theme team once in a while.
Which is exactly why I said that both parties must agree that it is a ranked matched they're about to play. If one person doesn't want to play it ranked; then it's not ranked. :) Then there's the flexibily to play a pure ranked tournament, non-ranked; or a player's choice.
RavenProject
12/09/2009, 16:32
Since you've expressed a desire for rankings at the regional and local level, I'd recommend getting in touch with venues in your area to see if they're interested in this system then managing it locally.
I can tell you straight-up... as a Judge, I put in enough work to manage tournaments around here. I'm not putting in extra work just to stroke someone's ego.
-J
I talked to my developer buddy... and the system is simple enough that we may look at writing an android/iphone app to handle it ... everyone have someone at their venue who has an iphone (or a venue that will let you use a computer?).. Good! :)
This shouldn't add anything to the judges ... the ranking is based between two players.
You could literally challenge someone for a ranked game anywhere! :)
all very valid responses and arguments against, i wouldnt leave it to individuals or just fun matches, only certified prize pack tourneys with results turned in by by the venue holder for legitamacy, but as you pointed out, unless you play actual championships for these ranks your just a big fish in little pond, but thanks for the strategy forum really hadnt paid any attention still would like to know who our regional big dogs are like myself so far in tourney play.
Your local "superstar" with an amazing ranking might get owned by a girl from Canada! (a lot of you veteran CON attendees know who I mean!)
Yeah, like me! My Squirrel Blender lost to her R Shazam/Ghost Widow team. :angry:
;)
everyone have someone at their venue who has an iphone
Palm Pre... check. Blackberry Storm... check. iPhone... anyone, anyone? Nope, not here.
spike1138
12/09/2009, 18:15
Yeah, like me! My Squirrel Blender lost to her R Shazam/Ghost Widow team. :angry:
;)
I have heard of this Squirrel Blender team before. What were the pieces because it sounds like a fun one. I mean, it's called a "Squirrel Blender" team. How can you not like that?!
(You're welcome to just PM me if you prefer, hair...)
Ranking is the devil. I saw what it did to online FPS and MMO...the last thing we need is mega egos telling us how to play and what to play just cus they are top ranked.
I have heard of this Squirrel Blender team before. What were the pieces because it sounds like a fun one. I mean, it's called a "Squirrel Blender" team. How can you not like that?!
Squirrel Blender:
- Ch'p (for GL TA and Defend)
- CD R Doc Mid-Night (for Stealth and Support)
- Gypsy (for Defend)
- Alpha Talia x6 (for B/C/F and Flurry)
- Warbound on the Talia's
Used Kinetic Accelerator (for Ch'p) and Telephone Booth (for Gypsy).
;)
You can also mix it up with Origin Alfred (for Perplex and Support). Take out Mid-Night and a Talia. Add Alfred, Forbush Man, and Entrench for Ch'p. You add Alfred into the Warbound mix (Gotham keyword).
Ranking is the devil. I saw what it did to online FPS and MMO...the last thing we need is mega egos telling us how to play and what to play just cus they are top ranked.
that is the best argument against, sometimes egos can get quite large and on a forum page with this many members people will start falling into ego groups that can breed malcontent but they can always be assassinated.
phantalien
12/09/2009, 21:17
that is the best argument against, sometimes egos can get quite large and on a forum page with this many members people will start falling into ego groups that can breed malcontent but they can always be assassinated.
No they can't be assassinated, whatever you mean by that. However, yes there is no need for anyone to be ranked because there is no real reason to do it besides boosting an ego, or have bragging rights.
Jackofhearts2005
12/10/2009, 00:35
Better get that cough looked at ... because that doesn't have anything to do with the current discussion.
If you want to see how you rank against other players on the realms...
Terman8er
12/10/2009, 00:49
Your local "superstar" with an amazing ranking might get owned by a girl from Canada! (a lot of you veteran CON attendees know who I mean!)
Better yet a 12 y/o boy from Tennessee.
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