ha040: Captain America (Rookie) [Archive]

MistahJustice

12/13/2009, 02:10

As a Captain America fan that was so utterly disappointed with the last Cap we got (good dial on AV cap, horrible sculpt) I must admit, I wept with complete and total happiness when I saw everything that makes this piece the most perfect piece in the game and my personal favorite:

AMAZING scuplt!
Dial is superb, great stats, awesome SP, and not broken in any sense of the word other than if they never make another cap I'll be perfectly content with this one.
AMAZINGLY playable! 72pts? Uh, yeah, I think I can afford that at all times.
And lastly, and most definitely not least (as nothing with this piece can be said to be least other than most effective and cost-efficient piece with the least amount of points)...he's only a rare! It worried the hell out of me that when they released him he'd be a SR or worse a chase! An SR I could handle cause I'd get him eventually, but being as it's cap (and Steve Rogers) it'd have been a long time before he would devalue enough to be able to get him. But a rare...just enough rarity to make you work for him, but not too much so to keep you far from success.

Feats wise, Opportunist is the only one I've ever put on him, and I believe it to be comic accurate. The only other one I'd like to keep on him as well is Pym Particles, which is somewhat accurate but not as arguably so.

My main force that he goes on, 500pt constructed tournament:

HT Thor,
HT Captain America + Opportunist,
SI Iron Man.

Just shy of 500pts, and perfect, also perfectly comic accurate in the up-and-coming major marvel event marking the return of the supremely awesome Mr. Rogers, Siege Team.

Bring it, Osborn. Bring it.
:a-sharpshooter:

Thunderclese

12/13/2009, 04:26

Amazing piece. I was disappointed he was a rookie w/o the Invanders keyword, but accepted that maybe he's freshly thawed Cap. Can't wait to try him out on a SHIELD theme team tomorrow!

flyingicarus

12/13/2009, 10:14

Is this supposed to be Bucky? I like the running shot and the dial is playable. Good for 72 points. But not Cap.

bakkenmr

12/13/2009, 18:08

Great figure all the way around!

theboywholived

12/13/2009, 20:15

The dial didn't impress me- until I played it. He is amazing. Durable, deadly, and looks great. A must for any Martial Artist or Avengers team.

briscoe

12/13/2009, 22:18

stick him in hindering!

Marauder

12/14/2009, 21:43

The perfect tool against any sneaky batmen hiding in the bushes. And on many maps you can easily place him somewhere where the opponent can't return fire.

But one solid hit means he's lost most of his usefulness, so take care with him. Lost him in a game recently when Malekith mind controlled an adjacent Thor&Loki to go absolute ballistic on his hiney. Just goes to show that the good captain needs to position himself carefully, as he has absolutely no damage reducers.

SirDot

12/18/2009, 08:08

Yea, no shield reducers are bush league for that Captain! I like his RS for 10 and his high 18 DV. But ESD? Why not at least invulnerability? Maybe start him out with impervious then change to invulnerability after one click. And I think he packs more of a punch than a 10 AV. How about an 11? That would have been cool. His combat values are ok overall for 72 pts. but you guys are right, one solid hit from an opposing character and 'ole Cap is dundee!!! Love the sculpt though.

chrispy3000

12/19/2009, 21:06

Certainly a FUN Captain to play. With his open 18 in close combat, he needs a bodyguard to keep by his side (V Mockingbird perhaps?). Yet, he's certainly able to hide very well with that SP, allowing him to shoot around buildings, through stealth, etc. so if he's maneuvered right, the other guys will have a hard time nailing him. I think for a Rookie, the ESD & WP is definitely acceptable but still, as great as the SP makes this piece, he's still not the definitive Captain America I think a lot of us were hoping/expecting from SmokeyFeet.

Turanthor

12/20/2009, 01:34

I agree with some other comments her that ES/D is his biggest issue. I think that being Comic Accurate, Cap should have the Nightwing power where he has BOTH ES/D and CR, that would be more accurate to his acrobatics + his shield.

Also agree that he needs a damage reducer, or maybe have a trait of Willpower, or be Indomitable for another 10-20 points with a damage reducing power.

I played him once in an outdoor map and had my opponent hiding in the corner, but played him again on the X-Men map and once I missed an Attack roll my opponent sent in Ultimates Cap (forgot they ignore HT on movement!) and smashed him good. His lack of damage reducers makes him a chump if anyone gets in close.

Keep him at range on an outdoor map though, and he makes your opponent sweat every move he makes! a 13 range (with his RS) and ignores everything!!! potentially deadly.

anonym0use

12/21/2009, 09:34

Who is this? Taskmaster? He can punch like Cap, but he shoots like Hawkeye. I had the pleasure of fielding this excellent piece, and used him well, so that he only took damage when pushing. The Deflection Trajectory SP is phenominal though his range is too long for my taste, and doesn't feel comic accurate. I hate to say it, but this Cap is too good of a ranged attacker. Playing the figure, I didn't feel like it was Captain America. Bullseye maybe, or like I said: Hawkeye. But I never got the up close and personal "Captain" vibe from him. A solid choice nonetheless.

W.I.T

12/21/2009, 19:52

You know what I love about this version of Cap? That he's different than any other version. He's not the same old/same old, Charge blah, blah, blah. I can't understand all the complaints/criticisms being leveled at this figure.

He has the highest Defense ever on a Captain America. Pretty good for a 'Rookie' version. He has the longest Range ever on a Captain America, again pretty good for a 'Rookie' version. He is one of only 2 Captain Americas that have been made, that have 2 Targets. (and he's cheaper by 43 points than the other) He is the only Captain America to be made that has Running Shot. (To go along with his awesome SP and his long Range) He has 3 starting clicks of 3 Damage. (Tied for the most of any Cap made, and the other is 23 points more) His aforementioned 18 Defense never dips below 16. The only Caps made that have a higher AV than him, are also 23-43 points more.

2 other Captain Americas are also 72 points. Both Rookies. Neither has a Defense above 16. Neither has more than one click of 3 Damage (combined they have 1). Neither has above a 4 Range, or more than 1 Target. Neither has a TA at all. One has the same clicks of life, and the other has 1 more click of life. Neither can 'see through' Stealth.

I just don't get what there is to complain about with this figure?

Mr_Nobody

12/24/2009, 05:23

The infamous smokey feat cap! that special power is ungodly. on an outdoor map, cap devastates. a little perplex/shield to boost his range, and you have the perfect piece for providing cover while your brawlers move up close to the opponent. Even only with range 8, cap is still golden. We can expect to see him in big tournament winning teams regularly- the new benchmark in powers. A little close combat skill would perhaps be more comic accurate, but Im happy with getting a piece that is very different from every other cap so far.

conejilope

12/24/2009, 12:48

great figure,very good version .

Repulsor rage

12/25/2009, 23:35

Comic inaccurate garbage.

Ironman4President

01/04/2010, 07:45

Cap as a ranged attacker for the better part of his dial is something new. I threw force field from the fantastic forces set on him and I now feel that it is a more accurate rep of cap. I think an opening slot of range with the sp and maybe one mid-dial would have been acceptible, but I couldn't rate the comic accuracy or dial very high based on no damage reducers, the lack of indomitable, the crazy range focused attacks, and no super strength. He is a beast at what he does, I was just hoping for a better Steve Rogers representation of Cap.

hufish

01/04/2010, 18:07

I can agree about the indomitable, and the damage reducers. However...super strength? When has 616 Cap demonstrated the strength to pick up a dumpster and smash someone with it? This isn't superhuman Cap, this is Human Maximum Cap. Personally, I think it's fairly accurate.

Capt America

01/11/2010, 15:28

Winner Winner Chicken Dinner

SirDot

01/16/2010, 07:14

Easy Jonas Brother(Capt America)...Metron has somthin to say for this Cap A. PULSE WAVE! Hahaha!

Deadpool2449

01/20/2010, 01:31

he will kill you if you don't base him, he truely is a godslayer in a set with mostly all gods. i think this piece has really good synergy with the protected feat card giving him that onetime damage reducer like most other caps figures run with, for a nice even 80 points. all he really needs is someone to outwit and hes golden (99 point team-up w/ Infinity challenge Black panther FTW)

Capt America

01/25/2010, 17:27

Yeah, you got me SirDot. I guess if it takes Metron at 195 pts to take down Cap at 72 pts, Cap's not good at all...wait a minute...;)

Azrael0626

01/28/2010, 11:29

This Cap is pretty sick for a "rookie." His special power is great, but it still doesn't make any sense that he can target someone in stealth. I have seen him hit multiple targets with his shiled by bouncing it off of walls and terrain and he has exceptional marksman skills, but not x-ray vision. Great sculpt, pretty accurate for a rookie Cap and totally playable. If you don't base him right away he is going to do some significant damage to your team.

Puuka

02/09/2010, 10:24

I love this piece.
Best play so far has been when I was standing on the top corner of the compacter on the Junkyard map. My opponent repositions his figures behind some outdoor blocking terrain thinking this makes them safe and Kchunk! I target two of them and get a critical hit. He was sitting there stunned, protesting as I targeted them, I showed him the card and he grudgingly took the damage and complained about Cap the rest of the tournament.

Tensai no Ero

02/10/2010, 07:49

If this is supposed to be Cap straight out of the ice, then sure, it's an amazing dial. Special power is killer and he'll see a lot of play because of the amount of things he can see through and hit with that shield of his.

As it is, he's perfect but that's only because he's the rookie interpretation. I want me a vet steve with the full extent of his capabilities (can't really say powers)... a longer dial, more close combat goodness, some invulnerability maybe. Come on.

Sate

02/13/2010, 23:58

Boring dial. another point and click ranged dial like ult thor or Blackfire. (This dial of course putting both of those figures out of business)
All this is, to me, is just more design-enforced retirement of older figures. I'd not have made Rookie cap the "hide behind everything" figure of all time and I wouldn't have given a rookie a 20 ranged defense. Just not imaginative and not something I would ever feel comfortable leading a team with.

obesesniper93

02/15/2010, 19:19

i gave his comic accuracy a 2, becuase if you've read the stories of when he first "thawed out" (or the cheap re-prints) you'd know he was more "leapy-punchy" and less "i see through everything but LEAD, like SUPERMAN, HAHAHA!!!" ACTUALLY, his figure can see through MORE than SUPERMAN can... think about THAT...
i could understand this as a VET, MAYBE an experienced, but a ROOKIE??? REALLY?!?!?

DarkBlueAnt

02/16/2010, 10:29

He's good for playability and all, but this is just not how Cap fights. Running around sniping at people? Might as well put a different figure on there. Cap would start with charge and only have 6 range or so. He's a close range guy who happens to be accurate with a nonsensical bouncy shield, but the idea that he can throw his shield as far as a guy shooting a sniper rifle is stupid.

Clclix

03/03/2010, 15:48

This is not a very accurate Captain America. Its true he could do quite a bit of interesting things with his shield, but not that far an not as a ranged piece. I could see a click of running shot with a 6 range instead of 8, going into some charge and some close combat stuff. That being said, this is a fantastic piece. A truly nice piece that can do some nice damage. Great for Contigency Plan and a nice set of keywords. The sculpt is one of my favorite in Heroclix. If you dont mind a bit of comic inaccuracy, this is a stealth-breaker with stong stats and a fun piece.

welchgabriel

03/12/2010, 01:53

captain america pieces so far have never really really impressed me so far, maybe its me? Idk... but this is about the same for me as its been with the others in the past. Relatively short dial for the point cost and I've never been someone who really utilizes the leadership ability (although i know that's captain americas persona) I just havent found one yet that ive been like "I really want that".

eagletsi

03/14/2010, 10:44

A great clix, but not what cap really is.

His range should have been 4 and he his power should say "DEFLECTION TRAJECTORY: Captain America's line of fire is blocked only by walls and indoor blocking terrain, Stealth or Special powers which allow stealth" . Also, when using this power Captain America can only target one enemy.

Also his defense should start with a 16 with a special power that allows him to use ESD and Combat reflexes.

For 72 points, he is just way overpowered. I mean he is a rookie afterall

GL_Alex

03/17/2010, 15:35

Since this is the "supposed" rookie Captain, I would think the stats would be a bit lower, but since they included that Trajectory SP, i would have liked that power to be more like the way his shield works in the comics when he does throw it. He should have only a range of 6 and utilize a variation of the Followthrough SP that Ultimates Cap had in the Avengers set.

(SHIELD TRAJECTORY FOLLOWTHROUGH: When a ranged attack by Captain America KO's an opposing character,he may immediately make another ranged combat attack against any opposing character within range to which Cap has a clear line of fire as a free action.)

Samaritan

03/18/2010, 19:49

I'm with everyone: 2 for accuracy, 5 for the rest. Way overpowered for a rookie Cap that should be more close combat oriented, i think.

caex

03/23/2010, 06:11

As far as accuracy goes i don't even give him one star. Playability on the other hand this is hands down the number one figure from HoT and as far as i am concernet the BEST figure you can field "for the points". I understand what they were trying to do with the special ability but id they wanted it to be more "accurate" then it should have read more like. If captain america and draw a line of fire to a wall or square of blocking terrian, and an opposiong figure can draw a line of fire to that same square then captain america can make a ranged comabt attack against that character as if it was a clear line of fire, as long as the opposing character is with in his range. Yeah I know that is kinda wordy but i think you can understand what i am trying to say.

XFORCE1982

03/27/2010, 23:28

I wish he had toughness, indomitable, charge & leadership as a trait..but besides that...####ing amazing piece!

DrugSex

03/28/2010, 15:42

This should be the Amalgam of Superman & Captain America (Super Soldier)

boow

03/29/2010, 07:33

Should just be "Cap can use Charge, at any time during the movement of a charge action, Cap can make ranged combat attack as a free action"

maybe let him see ignore stealth... You never see Cap throwing his shield except when he's charging. Either right at the guy he's charging, or at another crony to keep them off his back...

Halvmorke

04/01/2010, 13:30

I hate this character. I hate Captain America. But this fig. is... is... amazing, brutal!! T-Bolt him to Batman Ally, and spawn the chaos!! For only 72 points... we are crazy!?

blitzkriegbop56

04/07/2010, 06:09

smashed the #### ot of 2 of these guys with si thing with quake ! for 4 damage each ! (quake + crit +knockback ) it was epic. i love killing this piece and even better 2 at once lol

HeroFactor

04/09/2010, 07:55

I stunned my opponent yesterday when I used Cap for a theme prob. The attacker was on the other side of outdoor blocking and surrounded by his minions. It never occured to him that Cap's line of sight isn't JUST for attacks (although it should be).

loubega

04/09/2010, 15:04

i hate this piece. i love captain america, and this isn't him. this is coward america.

chrispy3000

04/10/2010, 23:17

Throw on Pym Particles. "Make that 20 DV a 21. Muhaha!" Like adding shredded cheddar on top of a block of cheese :)

VGA d1sc1pL3

04/11/2010, 02:59

Most broken piece ever created, besides the first Galactus (who this Cap could actually beat if he hid behind buildings like Captain Coward.

Dial - 2 - I love the 18 DV with ES/D. That is very comic accurate. Cap is very hard to hit. He has awesome acrobatic and martial arts skills, and his Adamantium / Vibranium alloy shield is indestructible and absorbs impacts. However, no Steve Rogers Cap should be dishing out 4 clicks of damage, ever... (with CCE). So Cap can dish out as much damage as Iron Man's Uni-Beam or Repulsors? As much as Thor's Mjolnir? Sure, whatever. I can't agree with his 8 Range either, especially for a rookie Cap. A range of 6 with :bolt::bolt: would be more accurate. And his Movement Rate of 10 is total bull#### and way too much. So he can dish out just as much damage as Thor and Iron Man, he can also move as fast as them? Yeah, and pigs fly. He should have no more than a 6 to 8 movement, and being a Rookie, I'd say a 6 or 7 is accurate.

Now for his Special Power. Most broken SP in the whole game. And not comic accurate. If that non-comic reading Kelly Bonilla even opened a Cap comic she would know that Captain America would never throw his shield were can't see, as he almost killed an innocent little girl like this once and it really shook him up. This is the way his power should have worked to make it comic accurate of bouncing off of walls, etc.: Cap has an 8 Range. Cap ignores all figures for LOF purposes. Cap can throw his shield AROUND (not over or through) blocking terrain, walls, and elevated terrain, even if he doesn't have LOF to the target.

His Attack Value is pretty comic accurate, especially for a Rookie. His 6 clix deep is about right as well.

Scultp I gave a 4. The detail is superb, but I'm not too crazy about the pose. I like dynamic combat poses.

Playability is a 5. If played right, this Cap is usually the most powerful piece on the board, especially if feated up. I have never lost him a battle yet, and I've won every game I've used him in.

Comic Accuracy is a 1. Someone should shove a Captain America comic down Kelly Bonilla's throat.

Spider-Bat

04/12/2010, 13:05

Pym Particles have been mentioned, but only for making him harder to hit. Guradsmen/GCPD have been mentioned to surround him. Why has no one thought of T-Bolts and Pym Particles? T-Bolt the Green Lantern TA and then carry your meat shields. OR, rather, Meat SHIELD, as Cap has the SHIELD Key Word. Want a mean 300 point team? Try Cap (T-bolts, Pym Particles, Protected), Winter Soldier (Alias), Sinister Nick Fury (Alias), 3 Sinister E SHIELD Snipers, and Forbush Man. Cap T-Bolts GL then makes himself a Giant with Pym Particles. Now your SHIDL team has a helicarrier to carry them into battle. With a 20 D, Cap can stand back and use the SHIELD TA to either increase his Range or his Damage, Winter Soldier can blast way, and Nick Fury is certainly no slouch. The Snipers bat clean up, and Forbush Man hangs at the back to suck up Theme Team PC rolls for Cap. Alternately, drop Forbush Man and toss Alias on cap, making him even more annoying.

DrugSex

04/12/2010, 19:49

Stupid Marvel... Excellent figure por newbie/cheap players.

captkool

04/18/2010, 13:03

How does this guy only rate 4 stars? He's an unbelivebale pain in the ##### !!!! so awesome. i love playing with him, loathe playing against him.

The Decepticons

04/18/2010, 14:01

personaly id only rate the piece a 4 as well. Love the Dial, the SP is blatently overpowered. running shot? sure thats cool. Hiding behind some bariers and delivering a long throw? that doesnt sound right. sure he hits anything in range... but i guess its an SP that would of been more suited for Bullseye. Cap should never sit in the back row.

Batarang96

04/30/2010, 18:05

Captain America has an absolutely brilliant design, and is always blast to play. Awesome keywords; he is a staple for ALL theme teams . The TA is always great. The SP is sweet pretty much screws over any elevated terrain camper, or a Stealth team. Grouped with an 8// range and a 10 speed RS, this is devastating. The half of the dial will almost always come in handy. One of the only ways he should land there is if he's hit close combat; the 18 ESD range is virtually unhittable from range. Avoid pushing him, and try to stay your full range away from opponents to use him effectively. I'm a big fan of the sculpt. Nice and detailed, and well painted. Always stands out on the map. For feats, I would recommend Warbound, Protected, and possibly Thunderbolts.

MopedKid86

05/03/2010, 10:27

I like this figure, but it doesn't strike me as Cap. He's too rangey, and the dial's just a tad too vanilla for my tastes. Don't get me wrong, he's a fantastic figure, just doesn't make me think "Hey, that's Cap!"

bluesummers

05/11/2010, 04:22

The gold standard for ranged pieces, and a cornerstone of about every competitive team today.

On top of that, he's a good looking figure, and fits the character well. Maybe he's not THE Cap that so many have been barking for (at least, according to the derision in these posts), but if you want a chargy, impervious, EW Cap, you've already got one. This is one representation of Cap, and like the song says, 'When Captain America throws his mighty shield, All those who chose to oppose his shield must yield!"

GreenMonster

05/12/2010, 02:13

great fig/dial/etc. I agree with you guys in that it may be low on the AV side for Cap, and the dial may be a bit short for Cap, but he's definitely a 10 speed, 18 DV, and 3 damage. he runs 60 MPH...stupid fast...that's as fast as any ofther clowns can effectively move and shoot.

That 8 range does seem a touch long?

Korbyn

05/14/2010, 23:16

I like this click, but I just don't think that he's a good representation of Steve or Bucky. A slightly better representation of Bucky, but not great. He should have had a better AV and then just two or three clicks of charge at the end. Then the dial would represent his throwing the shield when going into a fight, but it would also illustrate his willingness to get in the thick of action.

caex

05/15/2010, 02:57

[quote]Pym Particles have been mentioned, but only for making him harder to hit. Guradsmen/GCPD have been mentioned to surround him. Why has no one thought of T-Bolts and Pym Particles? T-Bolt the Green Lantern TA and then carry your meat shields. OR, rather, Meat SHIELD, as Cap has the SHIELD Key Word. Want a mean 300 point team? Try Cap (T-bolts, Pym Particles, Protected), Winter Soldier (Alias), Sinister Nick Fury (Alias), 3 Sinister E SHIELD Snipers, and Forbush Man. Cap T-Bolts GL then makes himself a Giant with Pym Particles. Now your SHIDL team has a helicarrier to carry them into battle. With a 20 D, Cap can stand back and use the SHIELD TA to either increase his Range or his Damage, Winter Soldier can blast way, and Nick Fury is certainly no slouch. The Snipers bat clean up, and Forbush Man hangs at the back to suck up Theme Team PC rolls for Cap. Alternately, drop Forbush Man and toss Alias on cap, making him even more annoying. [quote]

Spider Bat the only problem with Thunderbolting to Green Lantern TA is the Fact that you have to use Pym Particles to make him a Giant so these guy are not meat shields not, all the Green Lantern Corp TA does is alter how many Figures you can carry It doesn't give you the Ability to Carry if you can't already.

Hobmoblin

05/15/2010, 14:04

i think cap should have speciallty toughnes and energy deflection..

NicMonsteR

05/25/2010, 04:54

try using cap with pym particles to give him a 21 at range, life model decoy to give him a basic toughness, and thunderbolt to mystic or skrull. with these feats he is uber.

dd_203

06/23/2010, 00:14

So i love this piece usually play it on a 300 point martial artist team with moon dragon and daredevil.... but that is nothing. i bolt him... well did and pym particle so he is a giant and bolt to bat ally so he stands in hindering,

XFORCE1982

07/03/2010, 16:37

Swing Line & Pym Particles

daemion

07/05/2010, 23:29

For me to hate this figure as much as I do it must be deserving of at least 5 stars. He is my number one target. Everytime. Can't stand t

Ultim8 Avenger

07/30/2010, 23:44

i truly wish he had the invaders keyword...*sigh*

HeraldOfNova

08/01/2010, 01:57

I cant explain the amount of hate i have for this piece. If i had one wish it would to go back in time and slowly murder whoever thought it was a good idea to give him the power to SEE AND SHOOT THRU WALLS, PEOPLE, TIME, SPACE, MATTER, ANTI MATTER AND REALITY AND DREAMS. Did they think it wouldnt get abused???

Seriously if i made a racing game and put a car that went 9000 mph and could go thru wall and other cars would you play it???? No because its GAMEBREAKING!

At least trick shot is a feat, costs 20 pts and cant see thru outdoor blocking.

Capn telekinesis and xray vision tho doesnt care because weve all read the comic when he hit red skull from behind a boulder, 14 goons, a diamond plated window, downed helicopter, thru time when he was baby red skull still in the womb in Germany from America in a cave while sleeping.

Until this piece gets banned or they change the point value from what it is to 1800 i will punch 2 kittens 3 puppies and 9 infants A DAY! A DAY YOU HEAR ME A @#%&ING DAY!

And to everybody out there who hides this guy behind enhancement and shield people or pds; I WILL FIND YOU. AND I WILL HAVE YOUR HANDS AND FEET. EVERY. SINGLE. ONE. OF. YOUSE.

XFORCE1982

08/01/2010, 12:39

Dude get over it lol you need a stealth killer piece, and this is it

Spider-Bat

08/01/2010, 18:41

... i will punch 2 kittens 3 puppies and 9 infants A DAY! A DAY YOU HEAR ME A @#%&ING DAY! All I got out of that long rant was that this guy is going to punch kittens/puppies/babies until Cap is "fixed". Well, I'm going to have to keep playing Cap with SHIELD guys and Enhancers, because I hate all three of those things.

Daky

08/02/2010, 21:32

He should have been a unique.
2 or more of these on any team, is just WRONG.
Biggest reason for Highlander Rules IMHO.

Geof-Force

08/03/2010, 07:35

Spider-Bat

08/03/2010, 12:28

Although I concur this is an excellent piece it is way overrated both in practice and in price (dollar-wise). In practice it is simply too easy to base him with a cheap figure and tie him up (even a pog like Lila Cheney thanks to phasing and 10 speed) for a turn or 2; long enough to deal with the rest of his team and then rain the pain on him. Also quite vulnerable to Outwit and with so many cheap options (Checkmate Knight White for example) and the absence of feats in Modern Age he becomes less of a hassle.Take away his ranged advantage and he doesn't add much utility. Figures like OOTS Batman, SI Spider-man and even SI Yellowjacket are more reliable (and easier on the wallet).

That said, there are few figures in his point range that can match his potential with 2 targets, a solid swing of 15, 3 damage and the see through pretty much anyone/anything sp.

I won't disagree that he's overrated, but I also think you're not imagining him on a SHIELD or Soldier team. With some SI SHIELD Snipers and Agents, Ult. Nick Fury, and Winter Soldier to go with him, Cap can outrange (from behind a wall of Stealth) most Outwitters. The Outwitter won't be able to get Cap within LoS anyway, as Cap is behind other Stealthed figures. The OotS Batman and SI Spidey won’t get close enough to attack Cap, and the Yellow Jacket is going to rely on dropping his SP to lose the Giant ability to shrink after Outwitting the Shield Trajectory SP on Cap (if he doesn’t shrink, he gets blown away by the Snipers, etc.).

Yes, Cap is overrated, but it’s his ability to attack characters in a manner similar to SI Dr. Strange or SI Skrull Sue Storm that makes him so sought after. The relatively low cost (point wise) and the fact that he’s not a SR or chase means that most people can own one without worry. And all his Key Words are just icing on the cake, as Martial Artists tend to be Close Cambat, and SHIELD needs a non-Feat way to deal with Stealth.

Comica Accuracy suffers though, as has been said before, Cap isn't a sniper. While I like to use this Cap as Bucky-Cap, the card says Steve Rogers.

Geof-Force

08/04/2010, 06:23

@Spider Bat
If you read my comment carefully I was not stating that the figures I mentioned are the ones to use against Cap (although they certainly can be). What I was referring to is those are better figures pound-for-pound (or in this case, point-for-point) in terms of playability, versatility and accessibility (HoT Cap is actually being sold as high as sought after SRs in the back market).

JPV>BW

08/10/2010, 18:51

One of the best pieces in the game and shows that the point formula is flawed regarding special powers he should be more then 72 points he is deadlier then even OOTS Batman and that is saying something, this figure is one of the most played figures in the game.

pokolo

08/31/2010, 07:38

some charge would have been nice after the RS, but all in all, this is one of the best pieces in the game for the points

Gabellius

09/08/2010, 16:51

Do you like to play against the same figure 75% of the time? Especially one who's undercosted and who has a special power that makes a fundamental departure from the normal rules...

That being said, I still need to get one.

TethAdam316

09/21/2010, 04:42

I hate this dial for being way to good for way to cheap. Players in my area refer to this cap as "Evil Steve Rogers". If I need a true 616 Steve I reach for my Vet armor wars cap.

conejilope

09/25/2010, 17:05

amazing piece ,great dial.

conejilope

09/25/2010, 17:16

the best of heroclix ,good version .

Animadeus

10/07/2010, 12:38

Really wanted him to have the Invaders key word :disappointed:

Hulkamatt

10/08/2010, 22:58

Amazing model and great playability.

violentcalm

10/09/2010, 02:54

I love Cap. and I love this Dial! It's sad that his points are a bit low...I get boo's when I play him. It's not fair! I don't mind taking 10 or 15 pts. off my build total to stop the crying. lol "You have to anticipate where the target is going to be, and throw the shield there" I think he said that to Bucky or Hawkeye (I read to many comics to remember for sure) so "DEFLECTION TRAJECTORY" makes sense to me. Plus he bounces that thing off people(Hydra) all the time! When it comes to being comic book accurate. How can this not be a 5 star clix!?!

PassoNegro

10/13/2010, 00:22

great figure.

PassoNegro

10/22/2010, 02:36

play with him , and say "shield slash".

beakersloco

10/22/2010, 15:14

Love to play this guy and throw on AP... let my my other figures tie up and he sits back and nails folks. ... Hi .... (Insert name here) oh so you have impervious... bam .... take one ....

GL_Alex

11/14/2010, 12:56

I read about how so many people are not happy with this Captain or any of the previous ones, but here is how to make a pretty damn good one: remove the dial from the Avengers Ultimates Cap and put it on this one. You then have a Captain America who can get right into the battle and still has the range of the shield throw to be useful no matter what. Point difference, you say? Just add 10 points armor piercing and now Capp can ping away at the opposition and be a true leader of the Avengers!

newhorizon

11/19/2010, 22:11

He never lets me down! I usually team him with a bruiser (Thor or Green Scar if I'm using Marvel, Shazam! or Supes if DC) and opponents consistantly go for the big threat while Cap tosses the shield all over the place. And then, just when they get wise and go after Cap, he pops out CCE and drops them.

mormos

11/30/2010, 05:41

hate playing against this thing. Need to get one

mrben

12/01/2010, 17:20

This guy is so frustrating to deal with. When he hits the field across from me it is always a tough decision. Do I go for SmokeyFoot before he becomes a problem, or target the higher point guys and hope I have enough late dial punch left to deal with him at the end?
I would just prefer to just have him on my side of the board.

newhorizon

12/02/2010, 23:07

Used him and HoT Thor in a 300pt game and crushed it! People always seem to go for the big guys and forget about him. How many times does he have to kick butt before they realize Ol' Wingtips is a beast?

cchug2001

12/03/2010, 14:45

Only thing better than fielding one Cap is fielding multiples. For the points, there is no one better at running and shooting in the game. He fits into two of the strongest theme teams available (Soldiers and Martial Artists) and his team ability is just gravy.

If this is the bar for a Modern Age Rookie Cap, can't wait to see what they do with the Veteran.

haibane13

01/01/2011, 09:18

Another insanely practical piece (perhaps the most practical ranged piece) the only set back would be after he loses his ranged special power your inclined to use his close combat powers .

Rsoko1

01/05/2011, 13:03

Why does this fig go for $20+ on eBay? He's good and all, but I wouldn't pay that for him. I'm just glad I pulled him.

spider_ham

01/05/2011, 21:53

Love to field him, hate to play against him. He's even better with Swingline, as he has the potential to deal fliers knock back damage from falling off elevated (when rolling doubles), or allow a friendly character to Force Blast the target off of elevated for the same effect.

StupidHorse

01/29/2011, 09:58

he goes for $20 on ebay because cap is a popular figure, and people want to play him, and even though this piece doesn't really do him justice, it's the best cap figure there is.

DarthPezley

02/03/2011, 20:30

Okay, there are a LOT of posts on this thread, and I can't bring myself to read through them all. Here is my beef. If this is Rookie Cap, why all the modern keywords? He should have Invaders and Soldier. That's it.

Deadpool2449

02/03/2011, 21:02

@ DarthPezley, from what i gather its defrosted cap, early on he joined the avengers then right after taking his first leave of absence was given membership into S.H.I.E.L.D so reason is there. tho i would have like invaders keyword with his too since he is rookie, they prolly should have upped him to experienced level tho by then, the war would have gave him that much

DarthPezley

02/04/2011, 12:01

If you want to look at it as defrosted Cap, I suppose, but I would really like a Steve with the Defenders (Invaders) team ability, that I can put on a theme team with the rest of the Invaders. Even the Cap/Bucky duo from Avengers has the damn Avengers TA, and I can't even Thunderbolt them to Defenders anymore.

XFORCE1982

04/09/2011, 00:40

With the new ruling to Leadership this guy kicks ###...even more

LastSamurai

04/10/2011, 10:32

How is he not 5 *s

bac0nb0y

04/15/2011, 23:45

Unbelievable for the cost. New leadership rule makes him even better! 5 stars!

AndyHatton

04/25/2011, 11:29

Fantastic. One of my favorite pieces of one of my favorite characters. Love it. I especially like playing with HoT Thor for 300 points of Avengers fun! (Throw in FCBD Iron Man for a 400 point Avengers Prime team).

itz rube

05/21/2011, 03:33

in my opinion one of the best clix ever made you cant go wrong with him he is just all around amazing even on his last click

Zerothehero22

06/11/2011, 21:38

When playing outdoors Have a flying out-witter that can take a lot of dmg. for example either Dr. dooms from SI. Have him carry Capt on top of elevation kinda near the back so no one see capt And fire away. SI 40 Doom works well cause his Powerless just is insane. if they have charge or runnin shot or hypo.. well no more they rnt comin to hurt doom or capt. So blast Their Brains!!!

Auditorius7

07/04/2011, 20:27

This may have been asked before, but, does Cap's special power also "see through stealth" which I would also assume would mean that being in hindering terrain doesn't increase a target's defense +1; or does it just mean that you can shoot around other figures? The wording of the special power seems a little ambiguous and I just want clarification if anybody knows for sure. Thanks.

TheFreak

07/05/2011, 16:03

Auditorius7, hopefully i can answer your question. Stealth says "Line of Fire is Blocked....", and his power states "Lineof Fire is blocked only by...". Doesn't affect hindering terrain on him, so his opponent WOULD get the +1.

Auditorius7

07/06/2011, 01:30

Thanks. That does clear things up a bit. :)

caligula4u

07/09/2011, 05:21

Can this Cap use the new Falcons trait of adding +1 to all stats if he's beside him? If so then this fig just got a whole lot better. Keyworded to boot. They share Avengers, Shield, and Soldier. All of which are already good theme teams. I can see alot of people running Avengers now with those 2 and T-bolting em for abuse.

briscoe

07/09/2011, 08:18

yes he can :)

Spider-Bat

07/09/2011, 13:39

Except for the T-Bolt part, as they don't have the "Thunderbolts" Key Word.

XFORCE1982

07/12/2011, 01:52

Am I missing something? Cause last time I check, Falcon only increase Caps attack value by 1 not all his stats.

When a friendly character named Captain america is adjacent to Falcon they both modify their ATTACK values by +1 if not already modified by this effect.

SLVRSR4

08/03/2011, 01:08

It says the thing about Falcon in case you are playing two falcons.

sience420

08/16/2011, 23:23

still the best Captain America in the game get real... all the new Captain America's wish they were this guy

ThePancakeMan

08/18/2011, 09:55

If you get Cap here to pick up the Zodiac Key... ugh your opponent should just walk away.

Owlman166

09/01/2011, 16:03

I hate the fact that Cap can "see" through Stealth, with his Sp. Since when??? Again, comic accuracy suffers severely. *sigh*... He rolled a crit. hit against my lampost Batman, dealing him 4 damage; As of that moment, He became "Public Enemy #1"... Now, Whenever I see a HoT cap, he's #1 priority on the KO list if I'm fielding Lampost Batman. Btw, Mono-e-Mono, Batman is easily a match for Cap.

Mongoose

09/15/2011, 01:42

He's just an amazing figure. Even the new Cap set didn't make a better Cap. Shooting through figures and outdoor blocking terrain is just insane. I'm not too sure about the rules, as an opponent told me he doesn't have to be on the rim of elevated terrain to shoot down at opposing figures. If that's true he's even more impossible to get to. Honestly energy explosion is your friend against him, as anyone that knows how to properly play him will field him with some chronies to shoot through, not to mention perplex. Why doesn't this figure have 5 stars??????

Spider-Bat

09/15/2011, 09:03

He does have lots of 5 Stars, though most people rank the comic accuracy at a 1 o2 since Cap doesn't do this kind of stuff in the comics. Also, the sculpt is detailed but boring.

archmage78

09/19/2011, 01:57

Ah that's exactly what he does in the comics, throws his shield around corners, through friends over walls everywhere. Many times he launches his shield without being in the room or near the enemy so this version is pretty darn accurate.

Spider-Bat

09/19/2011, 19:45

So, you're telling me that Captain America regularly throws 3 shields at people that are on opposite ends of the battle field, at distances greater than a hand gun?

To me, the Frozen in Ice Cap with his Second Deflection is more accurate.

SECOND DEFLECTION: When Captain America targets a character with a ranged combat attack, he may target an additional character within 3 squares and line of fire from the first character and divide the damage between them. The second character does not have to be withing Captain America's Range or Line of Fire.

Spider-Bat

09/19/2011, 19:52

So, you're telling me that Captain America regularly throws 2 shields at people that are on opposite ends of the battle field, at distances greater than a hand gun?

To me, the Frozen in Ice Cap with his Second Deflection is more accurate.

SECOND DEFLECTION: When Captain America targets a character with a ranged combat attack, he may target an additional character within 3 squares and line of fire from the first character and divide the damage between them. The second character does not have to be withing Captain America's Range or Line of Fire.

rennick3066

09/30/2011, 22:04

this piece is my favorite piece i own or can even think of for all you get for 72 points he is on almost all my teams

Thorngren

11/25/2011, 04:06

This dude always wrecks #### up. I love Cap, and before the Cap set, this was the Cap to get. I traded (probably) too much to get this guy, but as a big Cap fan I was happy to do so (and I hadn't even seen his dial. But I was even more happy once I did). Running shot into hindering and watch your opponents pull their hair out at your 21 ranged defense!

canaaron

03/10/2012, 23:03

isn't he supposed to have the thunderbolts keyword?

jimmyboy

03/20/2012, 15:07

@Owlman166,
If you had compared Batman as a hand-to-hand fighter against anyone else, I'd have agreed with you. But he is likely a match, or very close to a match, with Cap. He's not even close to "easily" a match. If there's one fighter in either universe who could best the Bat, it would be Cap. :d-indomitable:

(I say this as a huge Batman fan!)

Also, I still don't have this figure, or any other version of Cap A. :( Have recently bought a few CA boosters at the local venue but no luck yet. But this guy's going for like 30 bucks on ebay right now. Wow!

TrogThor

04/04/2012, 06:05

This guy was the cap to get for a while. Is that still the case? And why is he such a pimp?

Owlman166

04/07/2012, 14:30

Sorry, jimmyboy, but Bats is EASILY a match for Cap. EASILY... :)

jimmyboy

04/07/2012, 22:43

Owl, I'd ask you to explain why you think, that but I think we'd have to start a different thread. But quite simply, I can't easily imagine any non-super human beating Cap. Though after him the hands-down champ would of course be Bats.

jimmyboy

04/20/2012, 22:03

This guy shouldn't be able to hit, say, Invisible Woman, when she's completely surrounded by her barrier wall. His SP lets him do that, but it's completely wrong. Just saying it makes no sense at all.

Wampa1

04/24/2012, 11:02

Jimmyboy: What are you smoking? I like Bats, I really do... but taking Cap in a straight fight? NO WAY. Steve is stronger, faster, and far more durable then Bruce not to mention the best fighter in the Marvel Universe making him AT THE VERY LEAST the equal to the Dark Knight. If Batman let it go to fisticuffs with Cap, he would rue the day. But the keyword there is "let" as I don’t think that Batman would steer their confrontation to a straight fight (Assuming he knew beforehand what Steve Brought to the table).