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Draddog
02/14/2003, 20:20
<TABLE BORDER="0"><TR><TD><IMG SRC="/images/XplosionDaredevil.gif"></TD><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><P><B>Name:</B> Daredevil <BR><B>Number:</B> 061–063<BR><B>Play Tip:</B> With a combat dial lavished with wall-to-wall Super Senses, Daredevil is a slippery enemy to say the least. Let’s face it—your opponent simply isn’t going to land every punch. Add in Leap/Climb for maneuverability and the ever-adaptable Incapacitate on attack, and Daredevil definitely gives you bang for your point-cost buck. <P><B>Game Design:</B>Daredevil’s newest incarnation is a great representation of the character, and includes key abilities I thought were missing: Leap/Climb and the ability to hit multiple ranged targets. The new Daredevil has between three and six clicks of Leap/Climb and the ability to hit two figures with a ranged attack. Because his billy-club is a thrown weapon, it has a range of only 4. But in the right situations it can make all the difference, and it gives him some good options in combat.<P>His tougher versions have some Incapacitate so that he can affect characters he’d normally be unable to damage. He doesn’t have too much, so that saves some points compared to other versions. I know that Incapacitate is unpopular with some players, but it has its uses and is one of the least-understood powers around. Also, as I said with regard to Iron Man having Ranged Combat Expert and Running Shot (um, I know you can’t use them in the same round, and, yes, I do know how to play my own game), some characters just have certain powers, and Daredevil has Incapacitate because of his martial arts training.<P>Finally, Daredevil has a plethora (yes, I said <i>plethora</i>) of Super Senses and a great defense value to keep him out of harm’s way. His Veteran version keeps Super Senses the entire length of the dial, which should help him stay in the fight for a long time. His toughest version costs only 57 points, meaning he’ll be a solid character who will be effective in many roles.</FONT></TD></TR></TABLE>

dj_sha
02/14/2003, 20:21
first post!

Sh'gubgub
02/14/2003, 20:24
Is anyone going to see the movie this weekend? I might bring the weef for Valentine's Day...

Funky Jett
02/14/2003, 20:25
I'll probably go on Saturday to avoid the rush today.

Manchine
02/14/2003, 20:27
I know that Incapacitate is unpopular with some players, but it has its uses and is one of the least-understood powers around. Also, as I said with regard to Iron Man having Ranged Combat Expert and Running Shot (um, I know you can’t use them in the same round, and, yes, I do know how to play my own game), some characters just have certain powers, and Daredevil has Incapacitate because of his martial arts training.

Oh I love this part. I had forgoten about this. A lot of us figured it would be up today.

Beastchylde
02/14/2003, 20:28
The sculpt is not not the coolest, but he definitely sounds more true to the character. I hope he has a couple clix of outwit.

Sh'gubgub
02/14/2003, 20:32
And only 57 points for his V? You could almost play a 200 point game with Daredevil and Unique Elektra as a team...

Noman
02/14/2003, 20:36
Veteran Version. Super Senses. Whole Dial. Tournament Team.

Dirt Cheap.


Yup, he's in.

LoL

All the Best

Noman

Jason Blood
02/14/2003, 20:43
I want A Black Kingpin fig because i cant get an action figure of him (stupid 20th century fox)

dj_sha
02/14/2003, 20:43
the other dd's had ss the whole dial too so not much difference there. form the sound of it they just added l/c and an extra arrow and called him new and improved.

green_lantern0
02/14/2003, 20:48
Why si his base a different color? No more AE with Bullseye?

Manchine
02/14/2003, 20:50
Yeah what the heck. He has a AE. Who the heck is he gonna be.

AaronUnicorn
02/14/2003, 20:50
I would suspect that it's just an issue of internet color matching. The color is still pretty close to the color that DD & Bullseye already had.

Doctor Strange
02/14/2003, 20:52
New and improved he is!

The combo of supersenses and 2 ranged attack incapicitate much better fits the "feel" of Daredevil in the comic books.

Leam climb too.. let's not forget that.

Let's just be happy that they made a Daredevil thats a little more true to form instead of trying to make a new, gimmicky character from some obscure storyline.

My only problem with the dial is that he does not have outwit.
He's a lawyer for crying out loud!!! It's not that big of a deal tho,
so.....
Go Wizkids!

Every figure I've seen from the new set has both a great sculpt and great dials!

And, to those of you expecting something totally different. don't forget that the old Vet Daredevil is on the spiderman team which makes him an entirely different figure than the Vet Daredevil from the new set..

As far as the A.E. base goes.. the only characters I can think of as being his A.E. are Typhoid Mary or a new version of Kingpin.

Is it orange or red?

ThePope
02/14/2003, 21:00
I'd say his AE was Typhoid Mary.

And speaking of Pineapples, he and Elektra fit nicely in the can. Though Iron Man's nutritional values were a bit off.

green_lantern0
02/14/2003, 21:04
What about the new Bullseye?

WarHULK
02/14/2003, 21:11
I'm glad he finally got L/C and dual target Inc. is still far better than single. Great Defense Value sounds good too. Now he'll be able to leap from hindering to hindering and keep that extra bonus vs. ranged too. Yippee!

The Stinger
02/14/2003, 21:18
THis new DD sounds really good. Only 57 points, and double incapacitate is always nice, my favorite use for Wasp In fact.

Melkoloran
02/14/2003, 21:25
Finally, a DD that actually represents the character.

Thunderbolts
02/14/2003, 21:25
'What about the new Bullseye'

Nope. Why would they bother - nothing will beat the original for his points.

Anyway, new DD is awesome, 7 points more for dropping Wild Card and gaining L/C is good. Will be an awesome blocker still.

kon-el
02/14/2003, 21:31
Then why does he have a arch enemy base???

WarHULK
02/14/2003, 21:37
Because he's still the arch enemy of Bullseye??

JoFo
02/14/2003, 21:52
Originally posted by Draddog
(um, I know you can’t use them in the same round, and, yes, I do know how to play my own game)

LOL! First, I just wanna say that, I love this line. Go Jon!

Anyways, I'm pretty sure that it's just the same AE base that the old DD and Bullseye have, but I guess it's possible that it's a new one for him and Typhoid Mary.

And the fig seems good. I like the Spider-Man ability, but a "good defense value" and double Incapacitate will make up for it.

Paradox Factor
02/14/2003, 22:01
Personally, I was expecting Wizkids to do new AE for existing characters. After all, IIRC, Bullseye was dead for a while, so you can't exactly say that him and DD were AE.

Here's something fun. Since the Xplosion Daredevil isn't AE to Bullseye (according to the, ahem, "Pinnaple", it's Typhode Mary), IC Bullseye and XP Daredevil can be on the same team.

WarHULK
02/14/2003, 22:06
Just because there's a DD villian in the set doesn't mean he's going to have a new AE...

Doctor Strange
02/14/2003, 22:09
That red base kinda does tho ;)

Paradox Factor
02/14/2003, 22:13
His AE base is a different color then his original IC release. IC was tan, this one is orangish-red. It is possable that they could release a new Bullseye with a orangish-red base, but why? They already have the tan bases to show that DD and Bullseye are AE. So, unless DD is AE with Spider-Man now, he's getting a new AE.

WarHULK
02/14/2003, 22:14
The bases always look miscolored online. I think it's the same base as the original.

Paradox Factor
02/14/2003, 22:21
Usualy if the preview bases are miscolored, they're black, not some random color. The non-flying Thor preview a while back for example. Look at XP Spidey. His base matches the Spidey-Hobgoblin AE set (as best as I can tell). Iron Man has an all new color, not a miscolored base. I don't think any of the CT AE were previewed. And as for DC, I can't recall.

WarHULK
02/14/2003, 22:32
Miscolored as in the color doesn't look exactly right. The Spidey base looks more red online then the old bases and this one looks orange-y, but I believe it will be tan when you see it in person. Either that or DD became the AE of Aquaman recently. lol

We shall see, true believer.

BTW, I didn't mean miscolored like the black base master figs, I meant miscolored like the picture online is a little off on the coloring, most likely due to some tweeking of the image to look the best it can, or possibly just due to lighting or the camera they used.

paladin72
02/14/2003, 22:47
This DD is pretty cool. Great representation of the character. No complaints about DD. But, then there's Elektra.

sleepwalker23
02/14/2003, 23:01
Am I the only one thinking this is the first daredevil with L/C added? As far as I can tell it is, so why is everyone getting so excited, couldn't they have doen something more to make him a little more different.

AKACAY
02/14/2003, 23:24
Is it just me or do you think it's possible this new Vet Daredevil could also be on the Spidey team? I mean they only show the Exp... So at 57 points with his improved abilities on the new Vet with possible Spidey team as well, this Daredevil could be very useful...

Gargantua
02/14/2003, 23:25
Am I the only one thinking this is the first daredevil with L/C added? As far as I can tell it is, so why is everyone getting so excited, couldn't they have doen something more to make him a little more different

Nah, it sounds fine. This is one of the cases, like Spider-Man, where Wizkids it taking the opportunity to redo a figure that wasn't done quite the way it should have been in the first place and get it right second time around. (Unlike a certain cosmic powered assassin.) I say kudos to them for the new DD

Eric Qel-Droma
02/14/2003, 23:33
Actually, the new Unique Elektra sounds almost EXACTLY right for the Elektra: Assassin series. In that particular series, there was almost nothing she couldn't do, and she really had some of that "ninja whamma-jamma" goin' on.

Let's remember this, at least: WizKids is giving us a figure that is VERY DIFFERENT from the other Elektras out there, and variety is good. At least they're not saddling us with an unique that is basically no different from the old versions.

And I have to agree with the other posters on here that have noted the extreme improvement to DD with the double bolt Incapacitate. In the level of game that this DD will be useful, being able to add 2 actions to your opponent's characters will slow him down considerably and either force him to damage himself or do damage anyway. Add in L/C to keep him mobile, and it sounds like this DD will be VERY useful.

Based on this, the new Spidey (who should still have an 18 defense WITH SS, but I digress) and the new DD, I am just dying waiting for what promises to be a very sweet CAPTAIN AMERICA!

Eric

daredevil11
02/15/2003, 01:09
Looks good, I'm glad they cut down on the incapacitate- I don't buy the martial artist = incapacitate stuff. If that was true, super ninja Elektra pictured above would have it too. I agree incapacitate has its uses, but they are few and far between and the power seems to be way over costed as every character that has it is virtually priced out of competitive play. Maybe the power really is misunderstood . . . it doesn't work like people thought it would LOL

If they really wanted to do him justice how about Martial artist = Close combat expert. Doesn't that make a little more sense than Incapacitate??

I'm really excited about the leap climb and the 2 target ranged attack - that's getting closer to the real comic book thing, kudos on that.

Batman1983
02/15/2003, 02:23
I like it. I'm hoping it is Spidey team cause L/C doesn't cost too much. 8 clix w/ leap climb= about 4 pts.

Batman1983
02/15/2003, 02:27
oh & if he does have spidey team you get this nifty team:

R Robin 17
V DD 57
= 74

verses (the current stealthed, L/C, dual incap)

E Batman 92

74 vs 92 hmmmm

EDIT: I just love the way he slammed all those whiners with "...I know how to play my own game..."

Klarc Quente
02/15/2003, 03:22
As for Arch enemies, my guesses are:

- Iron Man will have Mandarim as AE.
- Spidey will have Green Goblin as AE and hopefully keep his AE with Hobgoblin from IC. (and vice-versa)
- Daredevil will have Typhoid Mary as AE but will not keep his AE with Bullseye, so you can mix old Bullseye and new DD and old DD with the new Typhoid.

Originally posted by Batman1983
oh & if he does have spidey team you get this nifty team:

R Robin 17
V DD 57
= 74

verses (the current stealthed, L/C, dual incap)

E Batman 92

74 vs 92 hmmmm


Yeah... that seems very nice, but remember that you only have to k.o. Robin to take DD out of his cover so it is not so great as 74 vs 92... on the other hand, add another R Robin and you will get just 91 points for a much more reliable combo and the Robins could protect the pieces out of hindering by smoking clouding in each turn. That's just one little reason to make me doubt that the new DD is from spidey team. And anyway, to make the combo possible, you need to mix Marvel and DC. Oh... and there are so many other combos when you mix them that you would not really need DD. Just my opinion!

esfoad
02/15/2003, 03:50
Thumbs up for the new DD. The fig sounds like a much better representation of the character (and I'm looking forward to fielding this fig).

But place me in the "I can't believe they made such an overpowered Elektra" camp.

PantherPriest
02/15/2003, 04:42
Yes, leap climb, I can think of many instances in which he has leaped and climbed. And lets leave elektra to her own thread, I personally believe that they made her just to piss people off.

Darth Sabre
02/15/2003, 05:36
Well, still a questionable sculpt, but sounds like this is the fig people have wanted to see. Can't wait!

ludd_gang
02/15/2003, 07:32
I'm glad to see they seem to be trumping up the AE mechanic. Such a cool but underused concept.

Gargantua
02/15/2003, 09:41
Yeah... that seems very nice, but remember that you only have to k.o. Robin to take DD out of his cover so it is not so great as 74 vs 92... on the other hand, add another R Robin and you will get just 91 points for a much more reliable combo and the Robins could protect the pieces out of hindering by smoking clouding in each turn.

That'd be quite a game.
Turn 1 Daredevil runs to cover.
Turn 2 Batman runs to cover.
Turn 3 Robin runs to cover.
Turn 4 Batman (mabye) takes out Robin 2, otherwise
Turn 5 Robin 2 runs to cover.
Turn 6-100 pass.
:)

Mushroomfantas
02/15/2003, 11:44
I say its the same colored base from IC


Also i think Ironman is getting 2 AEs

WarHULK
02/15/2003, 12:03
When thinking about Daredevil using spidey team to use team abilities from DC I think that the Superman team ability would fit him extremely well comic-wise. Seeing stealth characters is kinda his thing, ya know... hearing their heartbeat and all. I wonder how many times DD and Ironman have meet... I'm thinking a discussion would go like this;

DD: Tony, you know your liver doesn't SOUND too healthy...

IM: Yea, I used to drin... HEY! How'd you know who I am!?

DD: I uh...

IM: And how'd you know my liver SOUNDS bad?

DD: Well...

Joe Kerr
02/15/2003, 12:43
Hey at least they didn't give Elektra a Minion's of Doom base... I can't wait to see what she can do.

Daredevil on the other hand, I can't wait to see what he can do in my box of "never gets played figures"

He sounds just like the old Daredevil with L/C. If I want double incapacitate then I will use U Wasp or V Black Widow.

sly spy
02/15/2003, 15:11
DD ;):D

golden
02/15/2003, 15:21
Originally posted by Klarc Quente
As for Arch enemies, my guesses are:
- Iron Man will have Mandarim as AE.

Or Crimson Dynamo


- Spidey will have Green Goblin as AE and hopefully keep his AE with Hobgoblin from IC. (and vice-versa)
- Daredevil will have Typhoid Mary as AE but will not keep his AE with Bullseye, so you can mix old Bullseye and new DD and old DD with the new Typhoid.


And don't forget Leader/Hulk.

the itsy bit
02/15/2003, 18:09
DD the way he should be :
Leap/climbing and double incapacitating !
Magic freeze (Mageknights inc.) is way worse then inc.
because with a dice roll for freezing people it would be overpowered !
But in HC it's seems to work somehow (even in close combat): I really like the power.
between 2 inc. figs with a high enough attack there's no fig you can't keep down !

Please, Draddog Do Cyclops in one of the new sets, please !?
I know RS/RCE isn't such a bad combo, BUT Cyclops has to do 4 damage in the first part of the game not 2.
please..

JoFo
02/15/2003, 21:58
Draddog doesn't make the figures. He just reports the sneak peaks to us when they cme out. Just thought I'd clear that up for you. :)

Castiglione
02/16/2003, 02:15
Originally posted by daredevil11
If that was true, super ninja Elektra pictured above would have it too.

No, she wouldn't, because she is actually able to damage anyone in the game with her bcf power, so she doesn't need incapacitate as well.

strucker
02/16/2003, 02:22
No CCE? Ugh. Still he's got lots of useless Incapacitate! Come On, WK! This guy's a real head-basher! I think maybe this is just a sham and CCE really will be in XPlosion.....

MarkFinn
02/16/2003, 02:52
"His tougher versions have some Incapacitate so that he can affect characters he’d normally be unable to damage. He doesn’t have too much, so that saves some points compared to other versions. I know that Incapacitate is unpopular with some players, but it has its uses and is one of the least-understood powers around. Also, as I said with regard to Iron Man having Ranged Combat Expert and Running Shot (um, I know you can’t use them in the same round, and, yes, I do know how to play my own game), some characters just have certain powers, and Daredevil has Incapacitate because of his martial arts training."

Beautiful! I love the fact that he's responding to all of the shrillness that routinely circles through these message boards!

There's more than one style of martial artist: some have blades/claws/fangs, some have incapacitate. Why does it have to be one or the other with some of you? Is a Judo hold the same as a knife to the carotid artery? No, it's not. Think about the combat effects. Daredevil's Billyclub stuns opponents. He bounces it off of the thugs' noggins and slows them down so he can move in and punch them.

Elektra threw sais at people. She also shot them with high-powered rifles, but that's a different, far more shrill thread. Close combat expert does more damage than incapacitate. That's because it's a diferent thing.

Then again, I know how to use incap, so I'm not worried.

To the design team: Thanks for a playable DD. I like what you've done!

bizarrome
02/16/2003, 12:59
If they really wanted to do him justice how about Martial artist = Close combat expert. Doesn't that make a little more sense than Incapacitate??

I agree with Daredevil11 on this one. One because he doesn't shut down another players ability to move. Spidey has incapacitate becasue he can web them up, not because his spider-sense is tingling! Daredevil should have Outwit because he uses his hightened senses to gain advantage and close combat expert to promote his martial arts training.

There's more than one style of martial artist: some have blades/claws/fangs, some have incapacitate. Why does it have to be one or the other with some of you? Is a Judo hold the same as a knife to the carotid artery? No, it's not. Think about the combat effects. Daredevil's Billyclub stuns opponents. He bounces it off of the thugs' noggins and slows them down so he can move in and punch them

MarkFinn, This is true to a point. But a billyclub to the head of a figure like Hercules isn't going to slow him down. He shouldn't be incapacitated. He isn't taking time to rip off webbing or fend off an army of ants or even gas from a pellet from a utility belt. Also Daredevil should not have Blades/Claws/Fangs as he doesn't have the battle frenzy like Wolerine.

I also disagree with the L/C ability, unless it is to represent his cable launcher built into his billy club like the Batman has it to represent his cable launcher. Because like it or not Daredevil cannot leap to the roof tops like Spiderman.

Look ma, there's a man leaping onto a tall building in a single bound. Oh son that's just Daredevil... Just doesn't sound right. I personally think the only reason for this new version is to capitalize on the movie hype....

I do agree with the dual targets for the ranged attacks. One because many times he bounced it off one opponent and it hit another. Two because he had two billyclubs to begin with!! Which leads to the Statement, he should of had it on his previous versions, at least the veteran.

Also he already had super-senses all the way down his dial on the all the previous versions so he was able to avoid a successful attack with the right dice roll anyway, this is actually closer to how his Radar-Sense works anyway..

lets face it. If they are going to release a Hulk, Spiderman, a Wolverine, an Electra, and a "flavor of the month" figure who is spotlighted in the media, in every new expansion set, then they are going to continually change the figs so we have to buy more. I know that sales are their business, but expain to me how a veteran Daredevil is better or different than another veteran Daredevil?? After all, until Xplosion, Spidey had an REV set, a Unique Symbiotic fig, and a six-armed fig. They would all play different and represent him in different phases of his life. How did veteran Daredevil become different than veteran Daredevil?? If anything this should be a Unique to represent suttle increases in his abilities or something not a whole new set of R,E,V.

I also disagree with any of the Daredevil figure having a team ability. He has always been a loner and I realize that he has teamed with Spidey anumber of times, but so has Cap and may others, should Cap have a spidey team ability because he teamed with Spidey a lot. No! Should Spidey have the Avengers team ability because he was once offered a reserve position and he has teamed with almost every member of the Avengers one by one in the old Marvel Team Up books. No! So why give it to Daredevil?? Daredevil never ran around with Spidey like the Black cat or even the Human Torch did.

Besides the old sculpt looked a hundred times better!!! Gotta go Cap just outwitted Daredevil and his stupid Incapacitate.....

GSInc
02/16/2003, 15:29
I also disagree with any of the Daredevil figure having a team ability. He has always been a loner and I realize that he has teamed with Spidey anumber of times, but so has Cap and may others, should Cap have a spidey team ability because he teamed with Spidey a lot. No! Should Spidey have the Avengers team ability because he was once offered a reserve position and he has teamed with almost every member of the Avengers one by one in the old Marvel Team Up books. No! So why give it to Daredevil?? Daredevil never ran around with Spidey like the Black cat or even the Human Torch did.

Well, in my view, the Spidey team is more an indicator of a character who interacts well with a variety of others (kinda how Wizkids defined giving MoD to Spiral). DD has worked with Spidey, Black Widow, Punisher (and against him, too), Power Man, Iron Fist, the Avengers, the FF, and many others. While he's not necessarily a "joiner," he knows how to work and play well with others. Hence, Spidey team. I think that also explains the Clint Barton LE Spidey team affiliation, too, as Hawkeye has interacted with a wide range of other heroes (and villains, and villains-turned-heroes).

Hmm... maybe DDs AE base is a new color, and we'll see a Punisher AE for him? The mind boggles...

Scavenger4
02/16/2003, 16:39
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Draddog
Also, as I said with regard to Iron Man having Ranged Combat Expert and Running Shot (um, I know you can’t use them in the same round, and, yes, I do know how to play my own game), some characters just have certain powers, and Daredevil has Incapacitate because of his martial arts training.


do you know what this means? he reads the boards!!?

on a more serious note this DD looks awesome 2 targets and incapacitate! gonna get me a few of these when they release

bizarrome
02/16/2003, 16:42
Well, in my view, the Spidey team is more an indicator of a character who interacts well with a variety of others (kinda how Wizkids defined giving MoD to Spiral). DD has worked with Spidey, Black Widow, Punisher (and against him, too), Power Man, Iron Fist, the Avengers, the FF, and many others. While he's not necessarily a "joiner," he knows how to work and play well with others. Hence, Spidey team. I think that also explains the Clint Barton LE Spidey team affiliation, too, as Hawkeye has interacted with a wide range of other heroes (and villains, and villains-turned-heroes).

If this was the case why isn't there a team ability for the Thing?? After all had as many team-ups as ol'spidey and he was an actual team player with the fantastic four. So with the above in mind there should be a Thing Team Ability also... I'm glad it works for you. But in my book, it just shouldn't be there...

Just remember: "Compared to Captain America, we are all sidekicks." (As quoted from the Falcon in a recent issue of Avengers...)

malchyor
02/16/2003, 20:15
i love the part where he defends himself about all the #### he took for the bad combo of running shot and RCE on the ironman!!!!

that's funny. "i do know how to play my own game..."

maybe he does, but if he's the guy who's in charge of building the figs he doesn't take playability into account very often....i mean, 160 for electra? i'm sure she'll kick ### and all, but 160? tougher than nightmare? on par with exp untron? equal in point cost to two exp firelords......

yeah, well, i'll believe it when i see it.

GSInc
02/16/2003, 21:37
So with the above in mind there should be a Thing Team Ability also...
Well, actually, no, there shouldn't be... a character who fits the "works and plays well with others" criteria would get the Spidey team ability (MoD if it's a "villain"), since that is the ability that matches the characteristic in question. A "Thing Team Ability" would be redundant, since the "joiner" ability (wild card) is already reflected in the Spidey/Doom teams.

bizarrome
02/16/2003, 23:46
It is not logical to give a team ability to a team that doesn't exist. Spidey never had a team unless you count the old Spiderman and his amazing friends TV Show. That had Firestar and Iceman, two figs that haven't been made yet and they woudl have the X-men team ability, at least Iceman should. My point is why create a team ability for a team that doesn't exist. Batman at least had his "team" with Robin, Nightwing, and Batgirl on a regular basis, all Spidey had was the Black Cat.... she should and does have it by why the others?? It just doesn't make since. My daughter plays well with others and she's little, that doesn't mean she should have the New York Yankees team ability...

GSInc
02/17/2003, 12:42
My daughter plays well with others and she's little, that doesn't mean she should have the New York Yankees team ability...

That's right, she shouldn't... unless she's a Heroclix figure and the New York Yankees team ability (???) has been designed by the game designers at WizKids to reflect some ability she possesses...

Essentially, the WizKids people explained the rationale behind the Spidey team ability when they discussed why Spiral had the Doom team: the ability represents a character who works with a wide variety of other characters on a frequent basis. "So, then, why doesn't every character have SPidey ability? HUH?!? ALL characters have had team ups!!! What about the Thing? HE had a team-up comic, after all!"

True. But that mag is only a small fraction of the Thing's overall "togetherness." He is 99% a member of the FF. He doesn't have Avengers (and neither does Spidey) because of the tiny of fraction of time spent with that team. Plus, with Spidey, the wild card team ability lets him "Avenge" when there's a real Avenger on his team...

Thanosied
02/18/2003, 06:06
Well if I was Daredevil right now I would be asking myself. Why God!!! Why!!! Why can't I have breasts a sword and a gun. And then God replied," Because my son you would be good and have high skills, stats and be able to challenge all opponents even the Hulk". And then Daredevil wept for he realized that God was not only beating down his ego but emphasizing even more the true power that had been givin to Matt Murdock's one time whench. But at that moment Daredevil saw a shinning light as if a new beginning was opon him. And low and behold he became a new. Feeling all the better for he had been recreated. WITH THE SAME OLD #### THAT HE HAD BEFORE!!!!. Then Daredevil cried, "Why God? Why have you forsaken me?" Then Daredevil heard a very silent laugh thinking that God was enjoying this torture. But too his amazement it was not God but Jon Leithusser head manager of design team at Wizkids for Heroclix.

four_winds
02/18/2003, 07:16
This daredevil is substantially better then the first but still a select few complain and whine about him.Dont play him if you thinks he sucks but in the meantime i'll be glad to field him on a regular basis.Especially if they up his attack.Double incapacitate and a 10 or 11 attack.Sweet.

bizarrome
02/18/2003, 09:45
I field Captain America in just about every game I have played and I have only lost him once. He'll just have to take out this new Daredevil with his trusty shield....