Xplosion Sneak Peek : Elektra

[Draddog]

<TABLE BORDER="0"><TR><TD><FONT SIZE="1"><P><B>Name:</B> Elektra<BR><B>Number:</B> 086<BR><B>Play Tip:</B> The first thing that sets the Unique Elektra apart from previous versions is her point cost. At 160 points, she's much more powerful than before. This Elektra represents Elektra: Assassin. She carries Super Senses and Perplex across her entire dial, and has five clicks of Blades/Claws/Fangs, as well as Stealth and Mind Control. Two attacks, each with a 6" range, aren't too bad, either. She's a great offensive unit that's hard to target or pin down, and she can pull unexpected tricks like Mind Control. To best use her, keep her in hindering terrain and get into close combat, using Perplex to either weaken opponents or boost her own abilities (damage is a good bet). Save her stranger powers for the right circumstances.<P><B>Game Design:</B> Ah, Elektra! Admittedly, we have many versions of this character, but her long and storied history allows us to create many incarnations of her character--each of which fills a different role. We have the straightforward Elektra with a good mix of powers, the Unique Elektra who's a bit tougher, the hand-to-hand Elektra with no weapons, LEs that alter her abilities, and now, finally, we have Elektra: Assassin.<P>I'm supposed to go on and on about what she can do and how cool she is, but she's so cool and so powerful that I'm not going to give it away. Remember how some Elektras were only a couple dozen to a few dozen points? Well this version of Elektra is 160 points! She has powers you wouldn't believe, and she rocks!<P>I'm sure you wouldn't like me if I left it at that, so I'll give you a little more: Her first click is speed 8 with Stealth, attack 12 with Blades/Claws/Fangs, defense 16 with Super Senses, damage 2 with Perplex, and range 6 with two targets. Oh, and one more thing: Her dial is eight clicks long!</TD><TD><IMG SRC="/images/XplosionElektra.gif"></TD></TR></TABLE>

[Sh'gubgub]

Why?

[Sh'gubgub]

Yay! First post! I never get anything! But I ask again...why another Elektra?

[dj_sha]

160 points?! WTF?! Shes a normal human! Just because shes an assassian doesnt mean she needs a million powers and cost more than Juggernaut!

[IJIT]

I dont mind as long as it is an Elektra worth playing. By the way why does she have mind control?

[Funky Jett]

Because it's a perfect tie-in with the movie. Plus, she appears to be a bit better than her previous versions.

Ok, I can't continue with a straight face any longer. I'm pretty much sick of Elektra. Make a Jennifer Garner clix and I might be interested again.

[Sh'gubgub]

Or a nude Elektra...fanboy...impulses...taking...over...

[Pip the Troll]

she looks really good, and finally we have BCF charecter over 100 pts, she'll be a great front line killer BCF combined with supersenses will be awesome
her MC will keep things interesting as well
however what does the MC represent form her hsitory??
looks great
cheers

[IJIT]

Well you can always use your paint for that, but why would you want a 3" tall naked plastic figure?

[Manchine]

I am confused 160 points????? Is it April's Fools and I missed it or something?

[Beastchylde]

160 points..........ok, if you say so. Cool sculpt though. 160 points, my god, shes more expensive than Hulk, well not the new Hulk hopefully. Can't wait to get him. 160 points, I'm really having dificulties with that. 160 points.................

[MarkStewart]

I'm actually all for the new Spidey and Daredevil figures, they're needed and it sounds like they're going to be really good figures, but I don't understand this figure. Does anyone know why she has mind control and/or how she could possibly cost more than say a Batman figure?

[spanishyoda]

Mind control? Did someone switch her dial with psylock's?

[Doctor Strange]

Two attacks with Mind Controll?!?!

Wow!
They finally did it!

Im a fan of Elektra and im very happy to see this version of her!

Go Wizkids!

[IJIT]

Well the way they are going you had better start liking Elektra.

Next Elektra to be released.......Super Unstoppable Elektra

11 clicks of life with Invuln, Perplex, Superstrength, Charge, all 11 clicks she has 12 attack,21 defense, 5 damage, 16 movement

If they think she is better than hulk then she must be faster than Nightcrawler, more deadly than superman, and harder to hit than Ant-man

She will be worth more than Thor because she is obviously more powerful than a God.


Then after that will be..........Dead Elektra

The base will have bullseye standing over Elektras corpse.

Who knows what abilities this one would have.

[Noman]

Nice sculpt...but another Electra ? Sheeeeesh.

Still, it sounds like a nice range of powers, and for 160 pts, it's going to have to be ! For those points, she has to deal with

Veteran Firelord 97
Unique Wasp 44
Vet Sheild Med 16

= 157 points

ON HER OWN !!

(I think Firelord might be finaly dead !)

LoL

All the Best

Noman

(oh yes, and why is she carrying a Shuriken pistol ? I thought they were a WH40K Eldar weapon ? LoL Noman)

[Nickel97]

I bet mind control could represent seduction. Though I think mindcontrol only works on single-target attacks.

What I think is cool is 8 clicks of perplex. 160 points is a lot though.

[green_lantern0]

Yeah, MC could represnt her seduction, but come on? That's like giving Black Widow MC too.

[Doctor Strange]

You know... I think people make too many assumptions about Elektra because she's a woman.

Do you actually read the comics?

She doesn't seduce people.

She kills them.

I think that Mind control represents her manipulative powers in tactical misdirection. Im not justifying that either. Between her deductive abilities and far superior guerilla tactics, she can manipulate people in the middle of a fight.

It's happened in the comics when she misdirected both SHIELD and HYDRA into doing basically exactly what she wanted.

So while she doesn't have "Mind Control", she does have the ability to manipulate people and make them do what she wants them to do.

They put the effect of the power over the name of it.

One more thing.... (and im setting myself up to be flammed big time) Elektra, as she is in her comics, would be a match for Batman. He would probably win in the end, but the fight could take the entire issue.

[green_lantern0]

True.

[Darkorinth]

Dear God not another Electra.
Although this one sounds like she MIGHT be worth playing. Frankly the only time I have used Electra was in sealed booster. Somehow through bad luck my oppenents Thor got his kicked by said Electra. I don't expect that to happen often. But come on 160 points, for the powers they have said I doubt I would field her.

[The Stinger]

Why all the whining over Elektra?

Boo hoo....she's worth more than Thor and Hulk

Boo hoo....we already have enough elektra's

boo hoo...she has too many powers....

Come on.

Noone ever said you had to buy or play her.

I think it's cool that they are redoing a lot of the figures.

In the cases of Spidey, Daredevil, and Elektra, they are all vast improvements over the original.

This type of thing makes me wonder why they even post sneak peeks, someone is always going to have something negative to say.

[ThePope]

Stop complaining about the figures. If you don't like them, don't play them. Just because your favorite figure isn't in this set doesn't mean they will never make it.

Sheesh!

[Thunderbolts]

Yay, the ultimate Elektra fig. NOW STOP MAKING THEM.

TB; hoping that Moonstone will get Mind Control also now, I mean, if Elektra's MC represents persuasion, move over 'ho, Moonie is the queen...

[Thunderbolts]

By the way, who is the 'hand to hand Elektra with no weapons' ?

[Rojo Spriggs]

Far too powerful! Beyond the pale! They may as well call her God Almighty. Decisions like these are absolute game killers. One thing is for certain: this figure will not be a part of my collection. My circle of gamers has already voted to ignore its unfortunate existence.

Stunned and disappointed,
Rojo

[Melkoloran]

Geez. This Elektra is friggin loaded. Stealth with range 6, BCF, Perplex and everything else is strong.

[paladin72]

I think the complaining is because can anyon honestly say that Elektra can kick the Hulk's or Thing's rear. How about Wolverine, or Spider-Man. I can understand a Spidey, Wolverine, and a Hulk in every set, but Elektra? How did she ever get so high, and mighty. What do you think would happen if she actually met She-Hulk. If I have to tell you, you haven't been reading comics long.

[WarHULK]

While I'm not a huge fan of Elektra myself, I have to admit that it sounds like I'll be fielding her some. I don't think she's really that powerful comics wise but this clix sounds stellar. Double arrow MC? Yikes. Stealth AND Super Senses? Double Yikes! 12 attack and BCF? ouch. This figure, agree with it or not, is going to be a good peice.

I too do not quite understand the MC but I'm not going to complain. After the CT Elektra (yeck) I'm glad to get a figure that'll be playable. What a Jump, eh?

Now that they say she'll have a 12 attack I'm hoping they give Psylocke the same on her Vet.

[Doctor Strange]

I think she will be great on a supersenses team with moondragon, black cat and scarlet witch.

Who is Moonstone by the way?

[Spiritual_Ex]

I just don't get this. I mean IC Unique Elektra is extremely playable, and pretty representative of her. Sure give her a gun, some nasty range...but all that other stuff...and 160 points...this is the first of the previews that has me disappointed. I'll love to get her though, I bet she'll fetch me a decent unique in a trade.

DareDevil on the otherhand looks good, they fixed him up nice with L/C and two ranged attacks. All for a reasonable 57 points.

[paladin72]

I hate to see Wonder Woman when she comes out. She's going to be like 300 pts.

[T-RO]

ZZZZZZzzzzzzzz.........

Another Elektra? Who cares. They should have stopped making her ALONG with Wolverine too!

She sounds cool but we have too many of her as it is. And she isnt even a MAJOR character in Marvel, shes a secondary hero.

The sculpt is very nice though.

[JoFo]

Everyone who's saying "She shouldn't be able to beat Hulk, Thor, etc." is forgeting something. The reason why she's so expensive is because of expensive powers like MC and Perplex (8 clicks of it!!). She probably won't necesarily be able to out-power most of the heavy-hitters that you guys mentioned.

Almost everything seems fairly realistic to me. The only problem I have with the fig is MC (but I don't feel as bad about it after, after reading Doctor Strange's semi-decent excuse for her having it).

[Symbiote8]

come on, guys. fine, repeat figures. fine, we're sick of elektra. fine, we have nothing better to do than complain.


but maybe we should give her a chance.

unique elektra v 1.0 is a fixture in all of my teams, and how cool would another one, which is super beefed-up be? maybe this isn't the best representation of elektra, but she'll probably still kick major a$$

well... thats what i think, anyway

[Phil Dixon]

This is hilarious, reading all the comments from 15 year olds who don't get the Elektra: Assassin reference.

[JoFo]

Originally posted by Phil Dixon
This is hilarious, reading all the comments from 15 year olds who don't get the Elektra: Assassin reference.

I guess that I'm one of the people who don't get the reference. Once you stop laughing at us, could you please fill me in? :)

[Meepo]

160 - GOOD GRAVY. It is time for the unstoppable Elektra-naut. Just wait til you see her toss a bus your direction then melt it with her heat vision.

[Phil Dixon]

Originally posted by JoFo
I guess that I'm one of the people who don't get the reference. Once you stop laughing at us, could you please fill me in? :) Frank Miller. Bill Sienkewicz. Elektra: Assassin. Buy it. Read it.

[Jeckle]

Clearly the designer based the figure on Elektra from the Elektra: Assassin series -- it's in trade paperback form now.

She had all sorts of crazy powers in that comic and it really played up all the crazy ninja powers -- like stealth, mind control, and mystical mumbo-jumbo.

Maybe you should read some comics before you get all high and mighty about your knowledge of the character.

Did anyone else get the reference?

[Doctor Strange]

Originally posted by JoFo

Almost everything seems fairly realistic to me. The only problem I have with the fig is MC (but I don't feel as bad about it after, after reading Doctor Strange's semi-decent excuse for her having it).

Thats cool JoFo.

The Mind Controll thing is wierd tho. If I ever created a custom base for Elektra (like i'll ever need to :D), it would never have Mind Controll. I was just trying to get some understanding accross as to maby why this version has the power.

[Nightmare555]

Here is my statement about the new elecktra . How the? What the? Why is she?Is that a?Shouldn't she? And tommorow I will explain how to use ct elecktra with 2 range.

[KaiserSelroc]

Um...when did Elekra become more powerful than Superman? Did I miss the Daredevil comic where Elekra gets the Infinity Guantlet? Talk about overpowering a fig...dam! If Elekra warrents 160 points, Weapon X (or the next edition of Wolverine) better be 180 points and have 11 clix of invulnerability, outwit, charge, b/c/f and range attack of 10.

What next? An Elekra big fig?

[KarateForever]

Originally posted by Nickel97
I bet mind control could represent seduction. Though I think mindcontrol only works on single-target attacks.

Are you sure about this? MC only working on a single target? Here is the MC rules...

MIND CONTROL. This character may make a ranged combat attack to give an action to an opposing figure. (Optional) Give this character a close combat or ranged combat action. If the attack is successful, give an action to the target figure as if that figure were a part of your force. The target figure receives an action token, if applicable. A successful attack does no damage to the target figure. This character takes 1 click of damage for each 100 points of the target’s point value. If a character with this power has a range value of 0, assume that his range value is 4.

Also there was nothing I noticed in the FAQ.

If you can MC multiple targets at once, this will bring a whole nother level of hurt to the game. She will be lots of fun to play.

[Doctor Strange]

Originally posted by Jeckle
Clearly the designer based the figure on Elektra from the Elektra: Assassin series -- it's in trade paperback form now.

She had all sorts of crazy powers in that comic and it really played up all the crazy ninja powers -- like stealth, mind control, and mystical mumbo-jumbo.

Maybe you should read some comics before you get all high and mighty about your knowledge of the character.

Ouch!
Do you know how painfull it is to physically try to pull you foot out ouf your mough ;) lol

In my defence, I was pulling from my only source of Elektra, the Elektra comic book.

On another note.... Long ago, there was discussion on the Realms about Mind controll and hypothetically, if a character had two targets and mind controll, could it make two mind controll ranged attacks in one turn?

and we all agreed that by the rules, it could be done.

[Silver Lantern]

160 POINTS?!!!??

What is she MOE and Spiderman team?
Did did say she has a ton of powers that they don't want to ruin, so I am expecting a nice colorful rainbow dial. They did say they wouldn't reveal HOW POWERFUL she is. Maybe she has some insane combo like BCF, SuperSenses, AND Probability Control? Althogh they said she'd have perplex the entire dial so its unlikely. Maybe she has a 12 attack the entire dial? Maybe she has HSS? Who knows, lets just not jump the gun yet. I'm sure she almost costs as much as Thanos for a reason.

[Nickel97]

Originally posted by Doctor Strange

Do you actually read the comics?

She doesn't seduce people.

She kills them.


well, I've never been flamed before on these boards, so why not pour some gas on a fire now...

nope, can't say that I do read the comics (all I read is LoEG, and I read x-men when I was in middle school). It makes HC a lot more fun to play by not being a raging fanboy. I know of most of the characters, but I'm sorry that I can't tell you Elektra's favorite flower, or who she went to the junior prom with, or what color Spiderman's skivvies were when he fought Firelord.

To stay on topic. They could call this figure Oedipa, or penisenvia, or whatever, a figure with tons of SS, Perplex, BCF, Mind control etc. sounds not only tournament balanced at 160 points, but also really fun to play. I'll still probably play IC#144 more often, but this figure is pretty cool.

-edit- I hadn't looked back at the faqs etc. when I speculated about the useability of MC against multiple targets. Looks like (for now) it probably does work. Which makes this figure even more fun/sick.

[skyounkin]

Your kdding right ANOTHER ELEKTRA?!!! Whoopdie doo yet another figure that there are to many of and of course she is a unique which makes her extra hated!!! Out of all the heros and villians of the Marvel U. why don't they focus on some worth a dang!! P.S. Daredevil sucks too!

[paladin72]

Sorry guys. I didn't catch that hot seller. Who did she assassinate? Galactus?

[Doctor Strange]

Originally posted by Nickel97

well, I've never been flamed before on these boards, so why not pour some gas on a fire now...


I wasn't flaming you, just trying to help to understand why she might have that power. I was wrong too! lol :)

[Ramplate]

I'm pleased to see this one.

We used to call Bill Sienkewicz

Bill Psychowicz because of the bizzare twisted artwork

[scottcoz]

Don't you guys know? Ninjas can do ANYTHING and beat ANYBODY! :-)

Seriously, this is a great example of how you can justify just about anything when it comes to fig design in HC, by basing it on a particular one issue or run.

Anyway, regardless of whether or not you like the idea of 160 point super-ninja Elektra, you may have to accept that you'll see a lot of her (at least in tourny play). From what they've revealed about her dial, she sounds like an INCREDIBLY efficient fig - perhaps even more so than Firelord! 2 arrows with Mind Control is potentially disgusting, if her attack value is still good when she gets it. They said she starts with BCF, and has it for 5 clicks, so she won't get MC until at least her 6th click. Whether or not the MC will be a game breaker at that point really depends on how quickly her attack value falls. It starts at 12 - if it drops one per click, it'll be 7 when she gets MC - not too disgusting. But if it drops any slower than that, and she can get off a MC on two targets at once with an attack value of, say, 9 - oh my god!! Nasty!!

Don't forget she has Perplex her whole dial, so she can boost her attack if it does fall quickly - or her range to 7. Nasty.

Range 6 plus Stealth. Nasty.

Only 2 damage, but again, Perplex will most likely be boosting that, since she starts with the attack value of 12 (or, if you base her, she's gonna BCF you, so she perplex's her attack value - it's gonna be awfully hard for her to MISS).

She's a swiss-army knife, and tho it's impossible to say for sure without knowing the entire dial, it LOOKS like she's going to be an INCREDIBLE figure that will see a lot of play!!

[WarHULK]

MC isn't an attack power, it's a speed power, so she could have MC and BCF on the same clicks... just not Stealth and MC.

[Spookythecat]

Yep. It was an eight issue mini-series with an Elektra who was uber-powerful. Oddly enough, it was written by Frank Miller, who created the character... But his OTHER Elektra books never had her with the kind of powers she was displaying here.

Among other tricks: She DID have full on mind control... She was running a SHEILD Cyborg like a puppet through out most of the series. She could stop bullets with her fingers. She switched minds with other people, same as Doctor Doom. In short, she was uber-assasin squared.

And, actually, I always said that a high cost Elektra:Assassin style Elektra would be darn cool. Wizkids read my mind, just like they did when they released Six-Armed Spidey and Mister Fixit. Now if we could only get those Dark Phoenix, Daredevil: Yellow, Adamantium Skeleton Close combat Bullseye, and Invisible Woman as Malice uniques.....

So, I may be alone, but I'm always glad to see figures that are based on real, honest-to-God Marvel comics, especially good Marvel comics. (Sienkewicz is probably my favorite artist of all time.)

[four_winds]

First a few people whine and complain about the first set being a weak piece,then a few more say that the next sets REV are garbage.Now theres a kicka$$ Electra and yet people are still complaing.Shes too strong,why another one?Who cares about the number of slots in a set and that it could have been used better. Wizkids and Marvel show no signs of slowing down so your favorite character should eventually be made.Just relax,play the game and enjoy.

[Mr.Heroclix]

Hey all.

First off, ya'll need to stop the griping about the multitude of Elektras. Sure, Glaive Elektra is unnecessary, but this Elektra ROCKS! Super Senses AND Perplex all down the dial? Attack of 12? B/C/F? Stealth? This figure is great! She can easily be the backbone of a team. Hell, put her with (R) Invis. Girl and (E) Black Cat and there's a SLIM chance that anyone can touch her! This figure is great!

Anyone agree?

Matt

[Nickel97]

Originally posted by Doctor Strange


I wasn't flaming you, just trying to help to understand why she might have that power. I was wrong too! lol :)

I didn't think you were flaming me, I was anticpating flames for my anti-fanboy comments.

[scottcoz]

btw, for all those who never heard of it, here's a little more info:
Elektra: Assassin was an 8-issue mini-series that came out in 86-87. It's now available as a trade paperback, so you can go out and pick it up if you want (Marvel and DC probably love this idea - make Unique figs to reflect particular incarnations of characters to push sales of those graphic novels. Note the Unique Batman, lifted from Miller's Dark Knight 2, for example. Now, not only do they have the "generic" examples of the characters to push sales of the main titles, but they can design figs based on particular issues, runs, or graphic novels/mini-series. I expect to see a lot more of this kind of fig design).

Anyway, it was Miller's follow-up to Dark Knight Returns, and at the time was hugely popular - published at the height of both Miller's and Sienkiewicz's popularity.

[Mr.Fix-it]

Look, It's Hulk! Juggernaught! No, Its ..... Wonder- Elektra!!!
Faster than the speed of light, stronger than the force of gravity, and able to leap to mars in a single bound!!!!

"Wow guys! Did you hear about how super Elektra went to the core of the earth and used her ice breath to reverse global warming?" " No.. What about the time sho restored pluto back into its natural orbit after it flung strait out of the galaxy?" My favorite time was when she melted the empire state building with her laser vision to keep all the homeless people warm.." "" You'r crazy, I thought the best time was when she mc'd galactus into devoting his life being perfectly still as a planet for all the snails that kewpt getting stepped on.. What a hero!!"

Please tune in next week to hear about the time she beat the flash in a race around the earth!!!

[StormMaster]

Well, I'm not exactly a huge Elektra fan, but the fig sounds really cool. Oh and I'd also like to say I have a bone to pick with the people that compared storm's and others attack values to Thor's (they basically said that since Thor had an av of 12, characters like storm should only get an 8 or a 9).

Sorry, look at Elektra, av 12, is she really in comicverse as strong as Thor? Either way I don't care, this is heroclix and not everything is going to be up to par with the comic counterparts. No Elektra doesn't have MC, but it makes sense and it could be best represented as so on her dial (I could see them doing the same thing with Mystique if she doesn't get shape change).

Figure will definitely be useful and after seeing the Daredevil movie (which was definitely awesome, especially the all new x2 preview they showed) I'll be using Elektra a lot. (Garner was an awesome Elektra and the movie overall was great.)

[achorn666]

wow a great sculpt, i wish there went so many duplicate chars from diff sets, but if there has to be multiple, why elektra? i mean is she that popular?

[Spookythecat]

Originally posted by Nickel97


I didn't think you were flaming me, I was anticpating flames for my anti-fanboy comments.

Well, I was *gonna,* but I can't target a fellow League of Extrordinary Gentlemen fan.

And a word about Elektra:Assassin. The art can be VERY difficult to follow. I love it, personally, but I'm more interested in art that conveys emotion, as opposed to art that looks like real people. Make sure you look through the book before you buy it!


And it's darn good to see some more Elektra:Assassin fans poppin' up in this thread. scottcoz, Mr.Heroclix, four_winds, Ramplate... You guys rule. Just so you know.

[scottcoz]

Originally posted by WarHULK
MC isn't an attack power, it's a speed power, so she could have MC and BCF on the same clicks... just not Stealth and MC.
Oh, right - oops. I got BCF and Stealth mixed up there - sorry about that. Anyway, my point was just that she doesn't START with MC (since they've said she starts with Stealth), and whether or not it will truly be disgusting depends on how much her attack value drops before she gets it. If she ends up dropping Stealth for MC on, say, her 3rd click, my guess is she's gonna be a beast!

[Captain K.]

(my apologies to realultimatepower.net - I couldn't resist after seeing this version of Elektra)

Hi, this site is all about Elektras, REAL ELEKTRAS. This site is awesome. My name is Robert and I can't stop thinking about Elektras. These girls are cool; and by cool, I mean totally sweet.

Facts:

1. Elektras are mammals.

2. Elektras fight ALL the time.

3. The purpose of the Elektra is to flip out and kill people.

Testimonial:

Elektras can kill anyone they want! Elektras cut off heads ALL the time and don't even think twice about it. These girls are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALL the time. I heard that there was this Elektra who was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon the Elektra killed the whole town. My friend Mark said that he saw an Elektra totally uppercut some kid just because the kid opened a window.

And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

If you don't believe that Elektras have REAL Ultimate Power you better get a life right now or they will chop your head off!!! It's an easy choice, if you ask me.

Elektras are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to #### my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These girls are totally awesome and that's a fact. Elektras are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love Elektras with all of my body (including my pee pee).

Q and A:.

Q: Why is everyone so obsessed about Elektras?

A: Elektras are the ultimate paradox. On the one hand they don't give a ####, but on the other hand, Elektras are very careful and precise.

Q: I heard that Elektras are always cruel or mean. What's their problem?

A: Whoever told you that is a total liar. Just like other mammals, Elektras can be mean OR totally awesome.

Q: What do Elektras do when they're not cutting off heads or flipping out?

A: Most of their free time is spent flying, but sometime they stab. (Ask Mark if you don't believe me.)

[Spy Master]

maybe this will be the lsat and final Elektra . but of course they can always come out with the super-de-duper Elek-Forbush figure with every power available all the time. And then maybe finally they will stop making dupes of figures already in the set.

[Gargantua]

From a straight gameplay perspective sounds like a really interesting piece. Should I pull her from a random pack, I'll give her a run, see what she can do.

Having said that, count me in the camp that thinks a 160 point Elektra is just nuts. No way she should be in the same range as Thor and past the Hulk.

Also, if Wizkids is listening, and we know they do, hopefully they'll get the idea that we're glutted with Elektra and they really don't need to put out any more ever. I know they have the contractual obligation thing with Marvel, but is Elektra actually a part of the "required figures"? I've heard some reports that say it's only Spider-Man, Hulk and Wolverine.

[gelf13]

WOW! This is one serious fig. I'm not sure 160 pts is warranted, but from a clix player stand point... WOW! 2 attacks with MC? really? BCF with an attack of 12? She's gonna be my new Spiral! (I'll take the BCF, 12 AV, {perplexed up to 13???} AND super senses over flurry/BCF)
And from a fan boy POV this is elektra:Assasin, who was as far beyond human as batman is. or more. she was like the ninja from he11. I highly recommend the read, even tho the art is sometimes hard to get past. (side note: Comics are a visual literature. If the visuals are incomprehensable then the reader misses that part of the story. While I appreciate experimentation and artistic expresion, at some point an editor should say "what exactly are you trying to show here? I don't see it". Not that there is all that much like that in Elektra:assasin, but there is some that could of been reigned in. IMO.
Anyway, I'm dying to play this fig!

Gelf

[shin-goji]

My god. Mind control with two targets. The possibilities are endless:

Mind Control two characters at the same time, have two Firelords nuke their own team!

[I Am The Game]

Kudos to Spookythecat for filling us in on the details of Elektra:Assassin. It's far more helpful than the guys who don't want to take the time to explain it, and think they're special just cause they've read it. Singles aren't hard to find, not in the Montreal area, anyway.

I don't like the fact that they used such a narrow stretch of continuity to make a redundant 'Clix figure, but I haven't read the miniseries, so I won't question its validity. I refuse to read it on the principle that Miller and Sienkiewicz are my match made in h-e-l-l. I can't stand either of 'em. Before you flame me, my manager collects everything Bill, so I've seen most of the covers, and I flipped through the book of his prints that came out lately. I can identify his work when I see it, despite 3 or 4 different signatures, and I've hated his stuff since before I knew who he was, so I think it's within my rights to say I don't like it. I'll take him over Mignola any day of the week, but still...

Miller? Well, either you like him or you hate him, and I hate him. I have his run in Daredevil, and thought that DK Returns and DK2 were painful to read. No, I didn't read Sin City, but why plunk down more money when I didn't like anything up to now?

[scottcoz]

Originally posted by Captain K.
(my apologies to realultimatepower.net - I couldn't resist after seeing this version of Elektra)
Dude! This website cracked me up! :-)
Lotta love for ninjas out there :-)
Seems to me maybe Elektra, being the ULTIMATE ninja, shoulda been even MORE powerful! :-)

[The Stinger]

Im still recovering from the uncontrollable laughter that nearly killed me from the person who thinks that by freezing the earth's core, it would reverse the process of Global Warming. Priceless.

That and the other ultra-lame references to this Elektra being invincible. Oooooh, did you hear about when the super duper Ultra uber Godlike Elektra who is 500 ft tall flicked the hulk with her pinky and blinked him out of existence?!?!?!?! Yeah!!


Grow up people. If the figures bother you that much, you need to find another hobby.


Im sure that with the popularity of Heroclix that at some point, every character in the Marvel universe will be made, in several different forms.

[BDC]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by ThePope
[B]Stop complaining about the figures. If you don't like them, don't play them. Just because your favorite figure isn't in this set doesn't mean they will never make it.


I think there in lies the problem so many people have with another Elektra / Spider-Man/ Hulk etc...

Why do another one when there is already one(if not 2 or 3 in some instances) version of that character. They sacrificed at least 3 new characters from the X-Men(the expansion is called X-plosion after all) for ones they already have, not counting whatever else might be a "new" version.

I'm a huge Wolverine mark, but i didn't need to have a "Weapon X" figure if it meant sacrificing a character that hasn't been made yet.

Don't get me wrong, i love the game and the figures. It just seems to me that at times, be it Marvel, DC or WhizKids themselves, they don't seem to care that they're shortchanging the fans of what they want.

[IJIT]

I do not get why so many people still think she is too powerful. I thought she was too powerful until someone posted about The Elektra Assasin being very powerful. I accept that this figure was made right, can't everyone else see that the people who have actually read the mini-series know what they are talking about.

[Kirsarge]

Forget the inflated point value...doesn't she look a little like Groucho: Assassin?

[scottcoz]

Originally posted by I Am The Game
Miller? Well, either you like him or you hate him, and I hate him. Wow! No disrespect intended here, dude - I'm just honestly surprised to hear that! I think you're the only comic fan I've ever heard, in my whole life, say they hated Miller!

That you hate Sienkiewicz isn't surprising - lotsa people don't like his style - it isn't for everybody.

But Frank Miller? He's widely identified as one of the most revered, and loved, comic creators out there. Granted, that doesn't mean that everybody loves everything he does (DK2 got LOTSA negative reaction, for example) - but to HATE him? Wow.

Oh well. Everyone has their own taste. Like I said, no disrespect intended - I'm just honestly curious, what comics or writers/artists DO you like?

[Eric Qel-Droma]

You know, reading these boards, I just couldn't help imagining this conversation:

Designer #1: Well, we'd better get working on that new Elektra.

Designer #2: ANOTHER Elektra? Why?

D1: Contract with Marvel. If we don't produce a new Elektra, Bill Jemas will come over here and start talking, and we'll be required to publicly agree with everything he says.

D2: Right. New Elektra, then. What are your thoughts?

D1: Well, we've got three cheap, ninja-type versions of her already, and that last one for CT sucked big monkey rocks.

D2: True dat.

D1: So, I'm thinking that the two main things that fanboys will gripe about that we can control are adherence to continuity and the need to avoid redundant abilities/figures.

D2: Yeah, they'll gripe, but at least we can try something different that actually comes straight out of the comics.

D1: Have you ever read Elektra: Assassin? In that series, that "ninja whamma-jamma" of hers is just about unstoppable. She stops/dodges bullets at will, controls people's minds, disappears into thin air, and is just all around confusing to be around. Oh, yeah, and she flips out and kills people. (Mad props to Captain K. Dang, that was funny!)

D2: Jeez, she'd be more expensive than the Hulk.

D1: Yeah, but she'd be DIFFERENT. We have to have her anyway; why give the fans another boring street-level version when we can stick with the comics and do something new?

D2: Good call. Hey, I was thinking... Speaking of required figs... Does Spider-Ham count as Spider-Man?

Seriously, you guys: this is no more "out of continuity" than Krypto-Bats from Dark Knight Sucks Again, and it's something new and potentially VERY fun. It's not "out of character" based on that series, and I for one am looking forward to double-attack Mind Control.

Anyway...

Eric

PS - As for the "stealing slots from other figs" idea, I tend to agree, but if they've got a contract, then they're stuck, and note this: At least in this set, none of the four "requireds" are taking up 3 easy-to-get R/E/V slots. (Sorry, WizKids, but Logan should have been Unique and Nightcrawler should have been R/E/V. Oh, well. At least you've figured it out this time.)

If you don't like a fig, pray it's a unique. At least then it's relatively easy to avoid.

[Ramplate]

I think this one is good - at least it's very different.
Some people would understand it more if they re-read the Electra Assassin Saga -- very strange and psycholgically disturbed characters there. It's not all sneak and shoot or stab - there's a lot of head games between assassin and victim.

[daredevil11]

Give me a break - uberElektra. I'm sorry but to me and probably the 99% of the world who actually knows who she is, she's an exceptional "human" fighter, with no real super powers, a second rank hero who got wacked by Bullseye - put a fork in her she's done. (literally)

To the other 1% of you who have read the mini run "Elektra:Assassin", congrats, you have your figure and we've entered an era where 8 issues qualifies you for figure status . . . isn't that just great. Imagine the doors this has opened for countless nobodies in the comic universe.

I liked the original one, especially the IC unique - they weren't great, but they weren't expensive either and you had that Vegas chance of scoring a big hit - she's a real killer in 100 to 200 pt games. The third Elektra was pointless, but I've had some fun with the spear, this one is just stupid.

Mind control, super senses, geez, but for all her mystic powers, super assassin skills and super senses, she has a range of . . .. 6 LOL. Billy Bob with a shotgun has a range of 6, sniper she ain't. Maybe she's nearsighted. But I can see why they didn't give her 8 or 10 for game play, the chicks powerful enough as it is. Anyway, if you're into this sort of thing get ready to shell out some dough, this looks like maybe the Nightcrawler of the set - 25 bucks or more at auction.

[The Sandman]

Do I think it's funny she's this powerful, yes, but since it was printed in a comic (whether 1 shot or not) it's fair game. If we can get Miller's Batman with Kryptonite gloves created then this should come as no surprise. I am glad it's a Unique. If they make these 1 shot deals as Uniques, I thinks it's great. Of course, this does open the door to create the Uber Superman from that limited series (help me Superman afficinados) 1 Million I believe? That essentially has Superman going to live in the sun and coming out a million years later and ultra powerful. :) Not that I think it's likely.

Anyway, please continue.

[hourman]

Originally posted by Manchine
I am confused 160 points????? Is it April's Fools and I missed it or something?

I thought the exact same thing. Checked the calander and everything.

[Ironman44]

All I need to say is Captain America.

How in God's green earth can they make a fig in the same "thug beater class"that cost 3 times more than Captain America the venerable Marvel icon? The designers need to have some sense of history and continuity. I understand the reason to promote the film (the cross over promotion is suspect as Ironman drew 5 times more praise than these 2 figs) but my goodness, Cap can wipe the floor with Electra twice! Not in heroclix apparently and that leads to bad feelings.

[daredevil11]

For the record I think the Kryptonite Batman was stupid too . . . just wanted to make sure I gave equal time to all sets. 1 shot wonders, oh boy, how about the Bay City Rollers as a set of uniques in the next set? S...A...TUR...DAY NIGHT!!!!

[Spookythecat]

Well... if it's an important enough eight issues, I think it SHOULD qualify you for figure status. And it was an honest, true to comics variant of a real figure, with different powers than the original. That's pretty rare. And the folks at Wizkids really like Frank Miller. They've made a Wolverine and a Batman unique off his designs as well.

But, yeah, I think 160 points is a tech overcosted as well. Elektra:Assassin was good... Batman or Captain America good! But not Hulk or Superman good. I thought she should be around seventy points.

And, another minor quibble, I really am happy we're getting an Elektra:Assassin with Mind Control, but I thought it would be cool to have an Elektra with a big 'ol honking gun, like this cover here. (http://www.wordsandpictures.org/elektra/elektra00.html)

I actually jotted down some Elektra: Assassin stats

Elektra Unique Range: 10 1 Attack

9 8 8 8 7 7 6
11 11 10 9 8 7 6
17 16 16 15 14 12 11
3 3 3 2 1 1 1


Starts with Mind control, gets leap/climb and stealth later, and at the very end of her dial pulls out her BFG and starts blasting away.

Huh. And weighs in at only 52 points accoding to Sci-fi-guys spreadsheet.

[daredevil11]

Hey, if it was that important it wouldn't have ended after 8 issues now would it?

[KaiserSelroc]

From what I gather, Elektra: Assassin is the equivilent of Cosmic Spiderman, or that DC issue where Batman visits a planet with a red sun and becomes Super-Batman, or Red Skull with the Cosmic Cube. No doubt we'll see all of these figs made eventually (except maybe that Super-Batman).

Given this new Elektra, what do you guys think are the chances that eventually they'll make a 1,000 point Infinity Guantlet Thanos? Picture it. 11 clicks of M30 A30 D30 D5 with pretty much every power in the game simulantiously (including the Sentinal's capture power), 6 lightning bolt ranged attacks and it never needs to rest or take damage when it pushes. I'd say they're pretty good.

[The Sandman]

Nah, just give him his normal stats, but don't put a KO on his dial. :)

[Drashia]

I take it the mind control is due to her outfit...

Elektra to thug: You, peon, hit your friend
Thug: *drooling* thwap, nails his friend

Then again, I haven't read Elektra: Assassin

I can only hope they come out with Lady Mandarin.... Super Senses, Incap, BCF, Stealth

[The Sandman]

How about a Lady Marmalade (or however that's spelled) clix and it can be a half naked (wait, that would be more dressed than she usually is) Christina Aguilera. She would have Perplex thru entire dial, very low defense (1) and 20 AV.....

I worry myself sometimes, must be time to go to bed.

Night all.

[dplanas]

Originally posted by daredevil11
Hey, if it was that important it wouldn't have ended after 8 issues now would it?


Some of the best stories made were only done for short runs *cough* Kingdom Come*cough* Dark Knight Returns* cough

Can't base how good something is just by the amount of issues it has.

Heck, we had to sit through how many issues with the Scarlet Spider? and that storyline was worse than monkey dung.

[Silverlynx35]

Eh, its just another figure. Play it or don't. Counter it or don't. I guess the only question I have is: Why is she 160 and the guy that killed her (originally) tops out at 43? And DD. Guess I would have figured they'd overpower him first. Oh well.

Just a thought.
SL35

[Optic_Blast]

I want an overpowered Cyclops! Cyclops should be able to shoot as far as his line of sight can see. I mean honestly...he hits where he looks! But seriously, I think the new Elektra sounds pretty #### cool, as do Daredevil, Spidey, and Iron Man. I'm glad they used incapacitate in moderation for Daredevil. It can be a great ability(especially with multiple targets), but when it's put on top of a 4 attack at the end of a dial, it just jacks up cost.

[daredevil11]

Originally posted by dplanas



Some of the best stories made were only done for short runs *cough* Kingdom Come*cough* Dark Knight Returns* cough

Can't base how good something is just by the amount of issues it has.

Heck, we had to sit through how many issues with the Scarlet Spider? and that storyline was worse than monkey dung.

stunk *cough* hated it *cough* and I'd love to see the Scarlet Spider - he had more than 8 issues and the costume variant appears in Nintendo games for goodness sake - maybe not well liked, but not obscure.

Don't assume that because you liked this or that obscure miniseries that a) everyone else did and b) consider the limited exposure they had - if this is their strategy fine, so be it, there choice, but let's be real, the vast majority of people have no idea who or what these one shot deals are . . . nor do they care as they are written out - of course the comic companies may get to sell some more trade paperbacks out of the exposure, which might be part of the incentive.

[daredevil11]

Originally posted by Optic_Blast
I want an overpowered Cyclops! Cyclops should be able to shoot as far as his line of sight can see. I mean honestly...he hits where he looks!

How about a new ability for Optic Blast - strike 2 or 3 adjacent squares for standard damage - to simulate a wide angle spread - Cyclops is a neat character, he's one I do think they need to do another of. If you read his first write up on the WK sight, he as supposed to be able to do RCE with running shot, which would have been awesome, but of course they backed away from that, so he's really a little overcosted in my opinion since his biggest selling point got chopped in the final rules.

[Grinner]

Originally posted by daredevil11
To the other 1% of you who have read the mini run "Elektra:Assassin", congrats, you have your figure and we've entered an era where 8 issues qualifies you for figure status . . . isn't that just great. Imagine the doors this has opened for countless nobodies in the comic universe.

THIS opens the door?

DK2 Batman (1 scene, 3 issue mini), OWAW Superman (if this is supposed to represent the high powered Superman when he flew through the sun we're again 1 scene, cross-over mini), 6-arm Spidey (2-3 issues)

[Thanosied]

One more thing.... (and im setting myself up to be flammed big time) Elektra, as she is in her comics, would be a match for Batman. He would probably win in the end, but the fight could take the entire issue.

Smack Crack, Smack Crack. Elektra a good match for Batman? Elektra can't beat Daredevil, 20 Daredevils can't beat Spiderman, 20 Spidermans can't beat Batman and that is fact. Now. I don't mean to gripe but a 160 point Elektra fig. gives me no choice. If there was ever a mistake made this is it. She literally becomes the best character made in the set and the set hasn't even been released. No need to see any other characters, she is way overpowered. She takes down 90% of the characters created in the game so far. And knowing wizkids she probably has mind control after 2 clicks with a nice and high attack value(10). Which means her mind control ability would be on par with Moon Dragon and Professor X. This and Jean Grey doesn't even have mind control, go figure. Bullseye kills her and he couldn't even kill Daredevils shadow. But just think, Elektra can now beat down Characters like Hulk, Thanos, Thor, Dr. Doom, Darkseid, and Superman(Kryptonite Sai's) and still be one of the best support characters with a full dial of perplex.

This is an insult and nothing more, on the entire heroclix line of figures. I don't mind having multiples of Elektra, or even having a figure that is this powerful, but ELEKTRA shouldn't be this powerful. In tournament play the IC unique Elektra is already one of the best figs in the game, and now we get this? So now I can have the double elektra team and run down any team you can think of.

If they are going to make Elektra this powerful at 160 points then they are going to have to remake every other character to be over 160 points and ban all the old characters just to make things realistic. I can't wait for my 180 point Joey the Snake. Or my 150 point jubilee with 5 clicks of super strength and full dial of invulnerability. ####! Lets get an Infinity Gauntlet Thanos now, <b>there's</b> a mini series with a character everyone would want. But then again, wizkids in their infinite knowledge would make him 45 points with 1 click of invulnerability, no outwit, and he wouldn't even fly, because wizkids is so <b>SMRT</b>.

[Ironman44]

I agree completely with Thanoseid and the new elektra.

I assure you the process can use a bit of tweaking if it's producing 160 point Elektras.
Wizkids is phenomenally succesful. They should not make certain bad decisions on the dials and points considering how much there is out there in resources. Does this mean I do not love the game?....NO.
Does this mean I hate wizkids?...absolutely not.
I want to kiss the ground they walk on for producing such a wonderful game but trust me there is room for improvement in the process.

I personally LOVE the Ironman fig coming out, it's not all gloom and doom for the most part it's done well but then just when you thought some character continuity is about to take place, out pops a 160 point thug beater.
A Veteran Wolverine and a Veteran Captain America combined would not equal this many points. It throws the game a bit out of balance in the representation of what the characters should do and perform like in the Marvel universe (sort of the point of the game in the first place don't you think?).

[Nickel97]

To those who argue "character X shouldn't be able to beat character Y, because Character Y is better than character X in comic Z issue W"

How do we represent this in a game? Do we say, Bullseye automatically kills elektra or something like that?

Maybe the next set will be called "fanboy clix" and all of the figures will come with blank dials and color crayons so you can write your own powers, and the rule book will just be a blank book with a pencil so you can write your own rules.

[dolemite199]

Two words: "GAME BREAKER"

This figure will absolutely dominate 300pt and above torunaments. I like the sculpt and idea. I do not mind that Wizkids remakes a few figures in each set. They are contractually obligated to do so by Marvel. This current incarnation is not overcosted by any means. She is 160pts. because of all of the niffty new powers she has. As an example, she starts with a twelve attack. This is good because she is an assasin. The problem lies in the fact that she has perplex and can jack up that attack to a thirteen. This means she has a 80%+ chance to hit a figure with an 18 defense or lower. Then we have the BCF on her attack. A 13 attack with BCF is insane. Then you have her supersense that can out right aviod attacks. And she can do all of this while stealthed. This is just ridiculous. One thing that she has as a disadvantage is the MC. She loses her stealth power when she picks this up. Granted she can target two figures at range with MC, but she is exposed to everyone not just those in B2B.
I plan on playing her a lot. Man, I wonder what the savage hulk is going to be like if they make Elektra this powerful.

- Zeb

[scowlingone]

Originally posted by daredevil11
stunk *cough* hated it *cough*[...]obscure miniseries

If you hated Kingdom Come and Dark Knight Returns and like the Scarlet Spider, I know exactly how to value your opinion.

If you consider Elektra:Assassin an obscure miniseries, I know exactly how to value your opinion.

[PantherPriest]

After reading numerous opinions of this version of elektra, I must say that I am ashamed of you all. This is quite sad that people are getting into an uproar over 1/4 ounce of plastic. My only comment after reading this circus is this.

Thing charges up to elektra with a mailbox

Elektra rolls supersenses, she rolls a 3

Elektra takes 6 clicks

Elektra is currently fcked up the a$$

Case closed

[Druchii]

Elektra assasin is a ninja!
So the hand are also ninja's!
So in the new set Hand ninja R is probably 80 points, E 120 points and V 160 points, with the same stats as elektra hmmm this could be an interresting set the explosion ;)

[Captain_lint]

I like the sculpt, and she seems like a versitile piece. Worth 160 points??? That remains to be seen. This is comming from someone who would rather use a 5 or 6 20 point figures over 1 120 point figure...IC's experienced Electra is probably one of my most fielded charachters. But, on this new one, I'm gonna reserve my judgement...
I do have a question though... Say you're using this new Elektra and your opponent is using say, rook Firelord and a veteran thor.
If you do the double ranged mind control on them, their point equals 253. does that mean Elektra would take 2 clicks of dmg??
Seems like it would. I've been waiting for this for a while and thats how i figured it...
Anyone care to clarify?

[Saiko-Ronin]

Yay! Finally an Elektra Assassin fig, been waiting for one since IC.

And how can u guys claim that this will break the game when you havn't even seen the stats yet eh?

What, just cos she's 160pts you think she could beat most of the heavy hitters?

Even Exp Dr Doom @ 163pts isn't all that (according to some reviews i've read)

Praise to the designers that made a different Elektra.

[Mongoose]

Wow it's cool that you made her more powerful, but then again this version of Elektra would mertlize Daredevil or Bullseye. I hope that you think of Magneto and increasing his stats exponentially when you make a unique of him (Which I really hope that you will). Good choice of powers for her. I didn't think that she had mind control, but I am not really an avid Daredevil comic reader.

[Veggiehater]

Well you gotta give Wizkids some credit. At least they did something different with Elektra instead of just making a "civies" Elektra or "waitress" Elektra or something stupid like that.

Also I don't see how she's gonna "break the game" 160 points is a huge investment for just one fig. And this one fig only does 2 damage at 6 range! True, she may have perplex and B/C/F but still...

Yeah and as someone pointed out earlier her only defense is Super Senses (at 16) with 8 clicks of life. Bane can knock 5 of those 8 out in one fell swoop. She doesn't sound like that big a problem.

Hopefully though, this is the last Elektra we'll see in a while. Maybe we can get new versions of more important characters like Cap and Thor (Ultimates anyone?)

VH

[Phil Dixon]

Originally posted by daredevil11
Hey, if it was that important it wouldn't have ended after 8 issues now would it? The concept of a limited series is just too much for your primitive little brain to grasp, is it?

[Draggor]

You people are amazing
"What do we need another Elektra for. At least make her different."

Wizkids unveils a new Elektra that is based off her comic book abilities(even if it was just a limited series), something people seem to claim Wizkids never do. An Elektra who is substantially different than the others and so justifies it's inclusion.

"What is this. She's too powerful for Elektra. She should be just like all the other ones."


Do I think she's overpowered? No, not for the series it's based on. She's expensive because she has lots of powers. She still only has a 16 defence with supersenses for protection and 8 clix of health. Hulk wanders up and hits her with a dumpster, 1 click left. Even Cyclops who's half her points can kill her in two shots. Heck anyone else with b/c/f can carve her up. Just because she's pricey it doesn't mean she can match it with the heavy hitter clix.

Will I use her? If I can manage to get her sure. If we can use 2 mind controls she'll be fun. I'm glad we finally have a powerful b/c/f user. If you're really worried just mind control her first then use her to control 2 of her allies.

Sorry if this came across as hostile but I'm getting sick of how picky everyone is.

[GroovyBoy]

For a character with only a 16 Defense, no Toughness and no Invulnerability, you fellas are doing an awful lotta whining about her. That could be some of the easiest 160 points you get in a tournament (especially if you have a Black Cat or Scarlet Witch making her re-roll those SS checks).

[Noman]

Qoute from my previous post :-

"Nice sculpt...but another Electra ? Sheeeeesh.
Still, it sounds like a nice range of powers, and for 160 pts, it's going to have to be ! For those points, she has to deal with
Veteran Firelord 97
Unique Wasp 44
Vet Sheild Med 16
= 157 points
ON HER OWN !! (I think Firelord might be finaly dead !)
(oh yes, and why is she carrying a Shuriken pistol ? I thought they were a WH40K Eldar weapon ?)"

It's a good sculpt. It's a Unique. At 160 points, it's expensive, but it does have great powers and stats. It will sell for loads on ebay.

I am not complaining about anything, appart from the fact that it's another ELECTRA and we have 7 already. If they knew they were going to make this one (which looks great) WHY make the REV version in CT ? We could have had another whole different character instead...Yes, I know this one is because of the movie, but that one wasn't !

There are characters who need new sculpts or powers due to the first version being a naff sculpt or overly weak in terms of abilities (Daredevil and Spidey are done, but Cap and Cyclops have to happen at some point.)

...and I don't understand this argument of "oh good grief don't complain you whingers..." that is surfacing at present.

I havn't seen any realy gross diatribes - just people expressing opinions...and while the customer is not always right, they should always be listened to...

LoL

All the Best

Noman

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"He has the benefits of obscure alien technology..."
Julie Burgess, FGP Gamesmaster, (1980's)
when asked to explain how a Biker Superhero turned an 18ft long bike around in a 6ft wide corridoor...

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[Rivfader]

Lol, 160 points for Elektra? And MC? What's next? A unique Thug clocking in at an even 237 points sporting Impervious and Elasticity? That would be the day my brothers, that would be the day...

[Puuka]

Originally posted by Doctor Strange
Two attacks with Mind Controll?!?!

Wow!
They finally did it!



PAC says nothing about it not being able to be done

[mrtomsmith]

My votes:

I strongly support wacky designer experiments, but only when based on continuity (like this one is). If I can't predict what's going to be in a set, I'm more likely to buy it. This fig gives me hope that we'll see Frog Thor sometime in the future, which would please me greatly.

We have too many Elektras, but it's probably a contractual thing that isn't going to change. If it has to happen, at least give them different gameplay (like this).

We really need a new Captain America at 150+ points. And Magneto. And Batman. 160x20x20x20x = 10 million point Batman. Bring it on.

[lavinah]

Elektra:Assassin...yummy.

For those of you too young or otherwise to not be familiar with the series, apoligizies. *THIS* Is Elektra:Assassin, official BADarse. Take your Dr. Doom and go home. :)

Comments on the figure aside, it's nice to see that:

a. the designers know comic book history and work with it.

b. have a sense of humour - "of course I know how to play my own game" - riot.

So, everyone quit complaining and either play or not play the figure. It hardly matters if this fig is overpowered or overcosted, the figure's made. React, deal.

-lavinah

[Ghostie]

Hey guys here's something I think your all missing, over here we rarely if ever see Spiderman, Daredevil, Elektra, Wolverine or Hulk in tournament teams....now for the figures that Wizkids are being forced to promote that's gotta look bad when Marvel ask how are they doing....

So then we have Clobberin' Time and bingo a Wolverine and a Hulk everyone wants to use...and now explosion is on its way miracle upon miracle a Spidey, a Daredevil and an Elektra that people are going to want to use.

coincidence?

[daredevil11]

Originally posted by scowlingone


If you hated Kingdom Come and Dark Knight Returns and like the Scarlet Spider, I know exactly how to value your opinion.

If you consider Elektra:Assassin an obscure miniseries, I know exactly how to value your opinion.

Look, the point is, these miniseries are not standard material, not found in the normal runs, they are split off stories involving imaginative possibilities, if your into that sort of thing, good for you. Most people have no idea what occurred in these stories and I doubt that they will treasure a hero clix that enshrines the incarnation into history. I like my stuff standard issue.

Sure there is the 6 armed spidey, OWAW Supes and Kryptonite bats - and I here people saying, not you particularly but people in this thread - saying that's what a unique should be, a standard character in an obscure incarnation. I could buy that concept as a rational, but what about Parasite, Com. Gordon, Vision, Nightmare - these seem like pretty standard pieces, nothing special or mini series related - why are they unique?

[Meepo]

K.

I admit, I'm not a reader - what's with the mind control?

[vergaiden]

First off:
1) Not thrilled to see a new Elektra... but what the he11, its more heroclix.

2) 160 pts. Wow. Never read Elektra:Assassin (thinking about it now) but rather than complain about how 160 pt Elektra is wrong I think I'll conserve my strength for #####ing that the writers of Elektra:Assassin were on crack at the time.

-JTP

[younginfluenti]

is she really that popular. DO we need 4 elektras?

[merldust]

Personally, I feel the more clix the better. As was said earlier, if you don't like Elektra, don't use her (although I must say that I'm not sure I like the idea of ANY character having double mind-control).

How hard is it to outwit her SuperSenses and pound on her? I'll take my chances with E Batman hiding in a bush six squares away.

[Joe Kerr]

Why can't they make Galactus again?

I first thought this was a big joke. The preview looked like a joke. A 160 point Elektra? No one will use her.

I actually like the idea of this mega-powered Elektra. I've also thought she should have had a gun somewhere since the first set. I thought she should have had more range since the first figure and RCE. I got the RCE in the second set, but that figure sucks.

Of the previews shown, I will be most excited to pull this figure from an Xplosion booster and see what all she has and what she can do. Then Iron Man of course...

And sorry, but unlike some... There's still one Elektra that needs to be made... The white suit. hahaha! Why not? We have the black one. They'll probably take an Elektra break in the next set, but bring her back in the next set after that.

I don't get the mind control. But oh well.

And Elektra could take Batman? HAHAHAHA! Good one.

[Random]

Here's my little bit on this. !60 points? So what? People use Figs that I think are way too expensive for the powers they offer all the time. I would Love to have one of these figs, and have her I WILL! I really don't think I'll ever use her, but then again, I tend to build large armies of lower point cost, offering me more options. Should I play in a really high point game for fun, I may use her though.

The point is, she's a UNIQUE! they SHOULD be expensive AND powerfull. I have been disapointed in the past at the low costs/ weak powers of some previous uniques. This is how they ALL should be. Powerfull and expensive.

but what do I know?

[Optic_Blast]

Originally posted by daredevil11


How about a new ability for Optic Blast - strike 2 or 3 adjacent squares for standard damage - to simulate a wide angle spread - Cyclops is a neat character, he's one I do think they need to do another of. If you read his first write up on the WK sight, he as supposed to be able to do RCE with running shot, which would have been awesome, but of course they backed away from that, so he's really a little overcosted in my opinion since his biggest selling point got chopped in the final rules.

That sounds pretty cool. It'd work well with the debut of a Havok figure as well.

[Joe Kerr]

Exactly this Elektra is just what she is supposed to be, unique!!! She'll be fun to play in friendly games. However in tournaments she'll be ganged up on and finished off like other high point characters. Like I said, I'll be happy when I pull her none the less.

[Veggiehater]

I agree with Joe Kerr,

I'll be perfectly happy with this Elektra (as long as it's the last one we see for a while). You just have to give John L. props for creative design!

Besides, a unique is a unique is a unique. At the very least it'll be good trade bait for a couple of nons you really wanna get. ;)

VH

[JerryReedStyle]

Originally posted by Rojo Spriggs
Far too powerful! Beyond the pale! They may as well call her God Almighty. Decisions like these are absolute game killers. One thing is for certain: this figure will not be a part of my collection. My circle of gamers has already voted to ignore its unfortunate existence.

Stunned and disappointed,
Rojo

Hear ye! Hear ye! The Wise Circular Council of Rojo Sprigg's Fellow Gamers has spoken! They are both stunned AND disappointed! Now...everyone...I guess...go back to whatever it was you were doing...

[JerryReedStyle]

Originally posted by Doctor Strange
You know... I think people make too many assumptions about Elektra because she's a woman.

Do you actually read the comics?

She doesn't seduce people.

She kills them.

I think that Mind control represents her manipulative powers in tactical misdirection. Im not justifying that either. Between her deductive abilities and far superior guerilla tactics, she can manipulate people in the middle of a fight.

It's happened in the comics when she misdirected both SHIELD and HYDRA into doing basically exactly what she wanted.

So while she doesn't have "Mind Control", she does have the ability to manipulate people and make them do what she wants them to do.

They put the effect of the power over the name of it.

One more thing.... (and im setting myself up to be flammed big time) Elektra, as she is in her comics, would be a match for Batman. He would probably win in the end, but the fight could take the entire issue.

That's right...if you actually read Elektra, you know that she could give Mr. Wayne a run for his money at the very least.

[CursedSoul]

If you´re already stressing now...just wait for the Weapon X Wolverine *hrhrhrhr*

160 points for Elektra, hey..I might finally get my 255 Point Omega Red or Deadpool ;)

[JerryReedStyle]

Originally posted by daredevil11
Hey, if it was that important it wouldn't have ended after 8 issues now would it?

Welcome to Flawed Logic 101.

So...are you saying that to qualify as important...a given body of work has to exceed a certain quantity?

Hmmm...interesting. Ludicrous...but interesting.

[JerryReedStyle]

If I worked at WK...I'd propose a secret intra-office game to see who could be the first to create a figure that would actually cause some fanboy's high-strung head to explode! <chuckle> Now THAT would be a great game!

Lighten up, Francis....

[Thunderbolts]

Big sword.... big gun.... Perplex... awesome stats....

Anyone think this was going to be Deadpool prior to the real world Liefeld BS happening? Ignore the lack of Regeneration and the curves and it's a fairly close fit...

[sly spy]

Originally posted by Meepo
160 - GOOD GRAVY. It is time for the unstoppable Elektra-naut. Just wait til you see her toss a bus your direction then melt it with her heat vision. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

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[Rare_Hunter]

She Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuccccccccccccccccccccccccccc ccccccccckkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!




Whoa, whoa, whoa! The Elektra-naut! OooKaayy.

[Noman]

I qoute from Phil Dixon :-

"Frank Miller. Bill Sienkewicz. Elektra: Assassin. Buy it. Read it."

If you want to understand who and what this Electra is, he's right - read the book.

However - nice though this figure looks, I still think there are too many Electra figs brought out so far - the one in CT should not have been done (which would have allowed for, say, a Cap resculpt, or a whole new character) given that they knew they were going to do this one.

All the Best

Noman

[JoeyTheButt]

yeah... I agree. If elektra is this expensive, I am kinda dreading seeing how much weapon x will cost.

oh well, I guess I'll just have to wait for the 130 point shield medic in the next expansion.

[daredevil11]

Originally posted by JerryReedStyle


Welcome to Flawed Logic 101.

So...are you saying that to qualify as important...a given body of work has to exceed a certain quantity?

Hmmm...interesting. Ludicrous...but interesting.

Oh please, listen to this, people talking about an 8 issue comic as an important piece of "work" . . . you know, pick up a something with a hard cover once in awhile.

[daredevil11]

Originally posted by Phil Dixon
The concept of a limited series is just too much for your primitive little brain to grasp, is it?

Geez Phil you crack me up, look no need to be so bitter, one day the achne will fade and you will get a date . . . dreams can come true.

[Spookythecat]

Originally posted by daredevil11


Oh please, listen to this, people talking about an 8 issue comic as an important piece of "work" . . . you know, pick up a something with a hard cover once in awhile.

So... uh... what exactly are you saying here?


Don't make me pull out the whole "Comics are a competely valid art form, Maus won a pulitzer, Optic Nerve/Watchmen/Beanworld are completely unique, intelligent, and emotionally arresting masterpieces that would NEVER work in any medium BUT comics speech...."

[Gargantua]

While I'm firmly in the "did we really need another Elektra" camp, I will say this much. At least I won't roll my eyes and grumble if I happen to pull her out of a random box.

[Noman]

Absolutly.

...and if I pull 2, well, I may be able to get Nightcrawler with the spare...

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[CyberVenom]

Yeah! Read something with a hard cover! I just finished "Origin" just the other day!

[cevn]

Obscurity whine:
wtf, you complain about an obscure incarnation of elektra, but don't complain about blastaar or firelord? these guys are pretty darn obscure to me and all my friends. and those are just two, note even the best, examples of obscurity already in heroclix. i'm not familiar with the mr. fixit storyline, i know about grey hulk, but i never knew he was a gangster... were there whines about him?

another elektra:
give the guy a break, he likes elektra(pretty apparent from his avid description of the new fig). if i was making heroclix, i'd make all the sandman guys for dc expansion and then remake them and remake them. then i'd make an all girls expansion cause i'm a dirty perv and i bet 80% of the guys buying heroclix are dirty pervs. the guy's gonna make what he wants to make, and he throws in popular characters to sell.

[drop19]

It does seem a bit silly to question the validity of something, then attack others for then trying to legitimize the validity. *shrug*

daredevil11: The "obscure" mini-series you refer to was one of the most highly publicized and read works of the late 80s. It was one of the revolutionary mature readers style books that aimed at a more intelligent audience and paved the way for lines like Vertigo and Max. The creators were pretty much the zeitgeist of the industry, the ones everyone else was looking to to lead the way. This is one of a very few number of storylines that has remained in print in TPB form since it was released, a feat very few books can claim.

Attacking the book for being a mini-series is about as valid as attacking Star Wars for being a trilogy of six films or Lord of the Rings for being a series of 3 books. Surely if LotR was successful there would still be new books in the series right? The idea of a mini-series is to tell a story that is contained unto itself and has a beginning, middle, and end, much like the majority of novels and films do. This way a "new" reader can pick it up and enjoy it without having to worry about what Elektra was up to precisely in Daredevil #152 or anything.

Apparently you feel that the format is less valid than an ongoing series, a point I would really have to contend. If mini-series have no validity, Wolverine's Eastern ties wouldn't exist (or his origin for that matter), Spider-Man would never have worn a black costume, the JSA would still live on Earth 2, etc. Correspondingly, many events have happened in ongoing books that have been overwritten or disregarded over time. The Scarlet Spider was really Peter Parker until he wasn't. Tons of DC continuity that took place before (and even some after) the Crisis is thrown out as it's convenient. Batman's back is broken or Superman is turned electrical "forever," or at least until it's time to do something different.

The bottom line here is that no one comic is any more or less valid than any other. Continuity is carried out through ongoing titles, but many of the industries most acclaimed and popular series have taken place outside of continuity, As long as readers appreciate a story that is the important thing. If you have read E:A and didn't like it then I really can't fault you on having a strong opinion against it. But to just trivialize a book as being "obscure" or "unsuccessful" without any actual factual basis to back up your judgement is a bit harsh and comes across from a point of ignorance. That's not an attack, just a statement about the way you are arguing your point. If you doubt that E:A has any sort of critical success I point you over to Amazon where you can look at some of the reader reviews, 14 out of 16 are positive, the others are just in the middle. From the success standpoint I would just have to ask one question: If this book is so unsuccessful and irrelevant why would Marvel have kept it in print for over 15 years?


All that aside, I'm really looking forward to this new version of Elektra. She really fits the E:A style and should be able to wreak total havoc if things go well. Double Mind-Control is a pretty scary possibility, but if her attack scores are low enough that will be equalized.

[the itsy bit]

If I ever pull her I would trade her away (for Nightcrawler !!), because I don't really like the character.

160 points is an awfull lot to gamble on BCF: If you roll a 1,2 for it she's toast !
double Mind control could be powerfull, but shouldn't Wheels get it (or White Queen,moondragon another telepath): the world's strongest mind ?!

All I can say is: 163 points buys me E Dr.Doom and I will NEVER consider using another fig over him (for roughly thesame pointcost)^^

[Spookythecat]

Yeah, I'm a little worried about this, too. Double Arrow mind control sounds *deadly* but I'm not sure how playable a 160 point character without Invulnerability or Hypersonic speed would be.

I'll play her if I get her, though, 'cause I like this *version* of this character. I'm much more of a creator fan than a character fan.

[Xavier PhD]

edit: i take back the comment about new elektra being the worst character ever... after talking to a few comic guru's i guess the elektra piece is a valid clix.

and i DO think 160 points is very good, this will almost guarantee that she won't be used a lot... also there is no mention of any toughness or invinc...so a 160 point fig that has a low 16 point defense(even with ss) that folds easily? hopefully she won't be too crazy.

[cyberdragon]

Well. I have read the Elektra: Assassin mini-series, although it was a long time ago. I guess I'd have to go back to it to refresh my memory.

I also collect the current series.

In my humble opinion, I think they went too far with this version of Elektra.

The sculpt is great. The idea of making her more powerfull than she was in her previous HeroClix incarnations is also great.

But based on the premise that she is properly costed at 160, I believe that she is way too powerfull.

It can be argued that she is a master killer with tremendous fighting skills and is also adept at throwing her sais. Still, she remains human and there is a limit to what you can do in terms of power when you are not an altered human or mutant. I don't think Elektra should be over 100pts, even with a big gun.

Anyway, I agree with some that they made a mistake here with this clix. With the information we have so far anyway.

But despite that, I still have high expectations for the Xplosion set. We have seen good things with Psylocke, Spidey, Iron-Man and the new DD. It will still rock.

And WK will have a chance to fix this in the upcoming sets as we will certainly get more Elektras. Again.

[Phil Dixon]

Originally posted by daredevil11
Geez Phil you crack me up, look no need to be so bitter, one day the achne will fade and you will get a date . . . dreams can come true. 'Fraid not, dummy. My dating days are long past. I'm old enough to know who Elektra: Assassin is, remember.

[Basil Elks]

Elekrta in her white costume, then no more.
the movie rocked!!!

[firstfederal]

Sure, she can toast Darkseid....

But can she survive the 250 point Robin?

Bill

[I Am The Game]

Personally, I find it hard to justify a figure that hasn't appeared in more than one title, unless they've been fundamental characters. By this logic, Puppetmaster works for me, so does a mainstream Elektra. Let's not start the obscurity argument, fellas. Blastaar has been in FF, Avengers, and Inhumans #1 (Kirby), I think. He works. Firelord has been in FF, Avengers, Amazing Spidey, Thor, and Infinity Gauntlet. Definitely not obscure. Wizkids has been smart enough to use tried and true figures from the past, instead of characters of less than 10 years that may or may not stand the test of time. Just because you haven't seen it doesn't mean it's obscure. All it means is you haven't been around long enough to judge what is or is not obscure.

Arguing against Assassin Elektra is the same as the argument against Kryptonite Gloves Batman. If enough people like it, and it doesn't infringe on a character that's important to me, I'm not going to make a fuss, whether I like it or not. The fact that I don't doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't. I just hope that people give me the same opportunity to wish for a Set big fig and Serpent Crown variants...! :P

I disagree with pulling figures out of continuity for clicks, but mostly because of my distaste for the way recent comics change for the sake of change. We didn't need another Black Panther, or another Black Widow. I'll never admit to there being another Cap before Steve Rogers. I dislike the Ultimates line, and the whole Manga push in general. Marvel is selling out faithful readers for the chance to pick up a few more warm bodies. X-Men is forever ruined, between the gay Wolverine crew, and Kia Asamiya drawing indistiguishable X-members with hook noses...

[CandySuxxx]

i think its a great click representing a great (the frank miller book not the current) comic book. no one was b!tchin' over the heavily miller influenced unique batman. i myself would like to see more powerful uniques of current clicks. a magneto from "ultimate x-men", a pointed rock thing would be sweet, maybe ironman 2020 or even a logan from "days of futures past". only thing i can say is if you dont like thier choices of clicks dont buy 'em or get a job pickin', choosin' and designin' them. i want to see franklin richards, artie, leech, longshot, oracle, lobo, green arrow and martian manhunter, but you dont see me b!tchin' about the amount of elektras, logans, or the fact they made a desaad. just enjoy the game. 'cause thats what it there for. its not there to create the "my fave hero clix fanboy list" from around the world. just keep on clickin' and wizkids will make them. thats my story and im stickin' to it.

[CaptainCarl]

after seeing elektra and daredevil i was in shock

160 points...double take...160 points wow im in awe

they couldnt even make 160 point spidey or cap or juggy for the sake of me

but after .68 seconds of considering this im glad their making this fig and i will want one and it will see some game time

its fearless and inventive just like jabba likes 'em but on a more serious note if this happens then we can expect varied versions of other characters as well instead of elektra all version of her between 18 and 36 point no brainers

i see this as a step forward in the progression of heroclix

i myself have not read E:A but it sound interesting and may pick it up but by doin this it opens doors to my favorite characters appearing a little differently like cosmic spidey or scarlet spider

well thats my 10 cents

keep em comin wizkids im here to buy

[Aron]

Fragile. Can I say, Fragile? Seriously fragile.

Yea she's got super senses and stealth, but if anyone goes after her in base, they're going to get a whole lot of whuppin.. Unless they happen to have a taxi giving them a hand into battle... or can charge/hypersonic 16 defense is weak, and she'll crumple against any of the "big boys" unless her super senses work out.

8 clicks of health.. great, she's going to get beat on then have to run like heck to a medic (since leaving a taxi next to her just Begs for an EE) for that reason, she won't be able to actually hit anyone close (and/or get lucky with blades) Unless they come to her. Meaning if you want, you can simply ignore her, skirt her 7 range, and rip apart any support figs she may have...

Mind control.. nice in theory, but double mind control? Not likely to actually help her believe it or not. Her av will probably be a max of 9 or 10 by that point - unless HC has had a serious departure since the first set and her stats stay consistent, and with a 6/7 range thanks to perplex you're going to have a hard time actually hitting/controlling anyone - plus you'll be taking MC damage for any of the "big boys". Since its a double attack, odds are that she's going to have to mind control two people close to her.... and if there's two people next to her, its probably better to MC only one, and have that one beat on the other instead of MCing both.

She might be more suited to 500 point games than to 300 or 400. She Might be very nice for 200 point games though.

I dunno. At least as an assassin she makes sense to be a fighting force unto herself...

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by Rojo Spriggs
Far too powerful! Beyond the pale! They may as well call her God Almighty. Decisions like these are absolute game killers. One thing is for certain: this figure will not be a part of my collection. My circle of gamers has already voted to ignore its unfortunate existence.

Stunned and disappointed,
Rojo


"This version of Elektra was the Worst Version Ever! Within minutes, I was on the Internet, registering my displeasure to the masses..."

It's a chase figure. Odds are, you'll never pull it.

Relax.

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by I Am The Game
Kudos to Spookythecat for filling us in on the details of Elektra:Assassin. It's far more helpful than the guys who don't want to take the time to explain it, and think they're special just cause they've read it. Singles aren't hard to find, not in the Montreal area, anyway.

I don't like the fact that they used such a narrow stretch of continuity to make a redundant 'Clix figure, but I haven't read the miniseries, so I won't question its validity. I refuse to read it on the principle that Miller and Sienkiewicz are my match made in h-e-l-l. I can't stand either of 'em. Before you flame me, my manager collects everything Bill, so I've seen most of the covers, and I flipped through the book of his prints that came out lately. I can identify his work when I see it, despite 3 or 4 different signatures, and I've hated his stuff since before I knew who he was, so I think it's within my rights to say I don't like it. I'll take him over Mignola any day of the week, but still...

Miller? Well, either you like him or you hate him, and I hate him. I have his run in Daredevil, and thought that DK Returns and DK2 were painful to read. No, I didn't read Sin City, but why plunk down more money when I didn't like anything up to now?

Frankly, this is the FIRST Elektra that I might actually FIELD in Heroclix. It was my love of the comics that brought me to Heroclix in the first place. And you are well within your rights to say that you don't like it, but you need to understand that the people making Heroclix might love Elektra: Assassin, and it was also a critically-acclaimed mini-series, one that has long been out of print, hard to get, and a fan favorite, as well. So, that said, this sounds like it may be the last Elektra, career-wise, and subsequently, something of interest to the comics fans. That, I suspect, is the rationale behind her inclusion.

You not liking Mignola, now them's fighting words...

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by Thanosied


Smack Crack, Smack Crack. Elektra a good match for Batman? Elektra can't beat Daredevil, 20 Daredevils can't beat Spiderman, 20 Spidermans can't beat Batman and that is fact. Now. I don't mean to gripe but a 160 point Elektra fig. gives me no choice. If there was ever a mistake made this is it. She literally becomes the best character made in the set and the set hasn't even been released. No need to see any other characters, she is way overpowered. She takes down 90% of the characters created in the game so far. And knowing wizkids she probably has mind control after 2 clicks with a nice and high attack value(10). Which means her mind control ability would be on par with Moon Dragon and Professor X. This and Jean Grey doesn't even have mind control, go figure. Bullseye kills her and he couldn't even kill Daredevils shadow. But just think, Elektra can now beat down Characters like Hulk, Thanos, Thor, Dr. Doom, Darkseid, and Superman(Kryptonite Sai's) and still be one of the best support characters with a full dial of perplex.

This is an insult and nothing more, on the entire heroclix line of figures. I don't mind having multiples of Elektra, or even having a figure that is this powerful, but ELEKTRA shouldn't be this powerful. In tournament play the IC unique Elektra is already one of the best figs in the game, and now we get this? So now I can have the double elektra team and run down any team you can think of.

If they are going to make Elektra this powerful at 160 points then they are going to have to remake every other character to be over 160 points and ban all the old characters just to make things realistic. I can't wait for my 180 point Joey the Snake. Or my 150 point jubilee with 5 clicks of super strength and full dial of invulnerability. ####! Lets get an Infinity Gauntlet Thanos now, <b>there's</b> a mini series with a character everyone would want. But then again, wizkids in their infinite knowledge would make him 45 points with 1 click of invulnerability, no outwit, and he wouldn't even fly, because wizkids is so <b>SMRT</b>.

My, how shrill.

[Thorgrin]

Uhm, I'll take Superman any day vs. this Elektra. First thing first.. Range of 10. Also, superman team=can see stealth. Next up, impervious. If she can't roll above 2, she isn't going to do damage. Even if she does, still may not do damage. Go ahead, mind control him. Take a point of damage.

Want to go on...?

She's 160 points because of all the powers they gave her, not because of anything else. You can point to Professor X being very high cost. The only thing he CAN do is mind control. Other than that, he does 0 damage, 1 if you have the unique and even that drops off really quick.

I agree, I'm tired of seeing another Elektra, but hey, at least they're doing it right this time. The 4 figures they have to do they're only making 1 version of them (the uniques, supposedly from pineapples I've seen). So at least you don't have like 6 slots taken up by the same figure (i.e. Logan and Elektra from the last set).

Originally posted by KaiserSelroc
Um...when did Elekra become more powerful than Superman? Did I miss the Daredevil comic where Elekra gets the Infinity Guantlet? Talk about overpowering a fig...dam! If Elekra warrents 160 points, Weapon X (or the next edition of Wolverine) better be 180 points and have 11 clix of invulnerability, outwit, charge, b/c/f and range attack of 10.

What next? An Elekra big fig?

[daredevil11]

Originally posted by drop19
daredevil11: The "obscure" mini-series you refer to was one of the most highly publicized and read works of the late 80s. It was one of the revolutionary mature readers style books that aimed at a more intelligent audience and paved the way for lines like Vertigo and Max.

First, if it was so popular, why did the vast majority of people responding to the thread when it began, included self proclaimed Elektra fans, have no idea why she had so many powers - answer, not a very popular series. And even if it was, so what. If I pick up a comic with Elektra in it today, will she have these powers? No, because it was a miniseries and its over and it really had nothing to do with her true origin or complete story.

Second, as far as books written for "mature" audiences go, in my experience that's comic code for pornographic, violent comics written for over 30 pervs.

[domino33]

I must jump in in defense of Elektra:Assassin the 'Clix and the Mini-Series. First of all, the fact that few people on this forum even remember the book is hardly proof of its insignificance. From what I gather, most readers herein started reading comics at Exiles #1. An early '80s, "mature readers" mini series with rather experimental artwork and a highly political storyline is hardly going to be noticed by today's "look what they did to my X-Force" crowd.

Elektra: Assassin was engrossing and unlike anything on the stands when it came out. I still remember the pasted-on face of the Presidential candidate--identical in every panel--nearly 20 years later. Try as I might, I can't recall much of anything from last month's Avengers. Of course, senility could be setting in... :)

Elektra, with Mind Control? Yes! Even Bendis picked up her ability to "cloud men's minds" in Shadow-esque fashion during his run on the current book. Elektra: Assassin was even more ruthless in its use. Hopefully, she'll be worth her 160 points in game play, but if Heroclix has taught us one thing, it's that point cost does NOT equal comic book "power" or playability--i.e. Kang vs. Firelord--it's simply the combination of stats and powers. I doubt she'll find her way to as many teams as the original U Elektra does.

Personally, I'm glad WizKids is doing something to erase the CT "swing and miss" Elektras from my mind...

Finally, please don't equate a mainstream "mature readers" book with pornography. Was Sandman pornographic? How about Black Orchid? I think of Eros comics or the worst of Heavy Metal for that.

[Grinner]

Originally posted by daredevil11
First, if it was so popular, why did the vast majority of people responding to the thread when it began, included self proclaimed Elektra fans, have no idea why she had so many powers - answer, not a very popular series.

Maybe because it came out over 15 years ago, when a good portion of the people who post here were in grade school? Just because someone is a fan of a character doesn't mean they necessarily have read everything the character has been in. It also doesn't mean that it wasn't a popular series - just that it was long enough ago they haven't read it.

Originally posted by daredevil11
And even if it was, so what. If I pick up a comic with Elektra in it today, will she have these powers? No, because it was a miniseries and its over and it really had nothing to do with her true origin or complete story.

So will you throw a similar hissy-fit if they make the experienced Storm without her powers? It falls into the same basic time period. If you pick up a comic with Storm today she won't be missing her powers.

And as for mini-series 'really having nothing to do with true origins or complete stories,' isn't that a bit arrogant and sweeping? So Wolverine's first mini-series had nothing to do with his complete story? Crisis on Infinite Earths has nothing to do with the entire DC Universe's complete story? Secret Wars has nothing to do with Spidey's Black Costume's true origin or complete story (and by association Venom and Carnage)?

You seem to be mixing up the concept of "Elseworlds" or "What If" with regular mini-series, which often feature characters who do not have their own series, or are part of a team book where a multi-part story without the rest of the team would not work.

Originally posted by daredevil11
Second, as far as books written for "mature" audiences go, in my experience that's comic code for pornographic, violent comics written for over 30 pervs.

I'm going to guess, from your response here, that you have read very little, if any, Vertigo. Yes, some 'mature' titles are just that, violent and sexual. But many 'mature' titles go the way of Sandman - mature because it is targeted at an older and literate audience.

[Eric Qel-Droma]

Originally posted by daredevil11

No, because it was a miniseries and its over and it really had nothing to do with her true origin or complete story.
So, by that logic, you hate Krypto-Bats, OWAW Supes, and Six-Armed Spidey, right?

Originally posted by daredevil11
Second, as far as books written for "mature" audiences go, in my experience that's comic code for pornographic, violent comics written for over 30 pervs.
Sandman Mystery Theatre
Miracleman
Watchmen
Strangers In Paradise
League of Extraordinary Gentlemen
V For Vendetta
Powers
Dark Knight Returns
Queen and Country

If your experience in comics does not include at least two of the above-mentioned books, consider reading more before you make comments like that last one. If your experience does involve reading these, would you go so far as to call them "pornographic"? Does it make me a perv (even if I'm not over-30) to be able to accept and maybe even enjoy violence that is not gratuitous?

Sheesh.

Eric

PS - WARNING: Some of the above mentioned books may contain nudity, sex, or violence that actually (gasp!) add to the story and are artistically necessary. Do not read these comics if you can't tell the difference! Star Comics will be glad to help you!

PPS - No offense to Star Comics fans.

[Aron]

WOO - Star Clix thats what we need! Yes! Top Dog would make an excellent clix! He and Peter Porker can team up with the Real spiderman for real hilarious hijinks!

... Just kidding.

:D

[I Am The Game]

The first and only Sandman issue I ever bought was about a child molesters' convention, #14, if I'm not mistaken. I can't help but think that the writers of these sick, twisted, demented stories are giving an insight into themselves, and I'd rather not be indulging them by paying for it.

To the Mignola fan, the absolute worst rendition of Darkseid I've ever seen was in Cosmic Odyssey. Gene Colan is the man. Wanna talk Daredevil hotties? Keep your Elektra... Gene's Black Widow is simply the hottest woman in comics. Refute me if you dare!

[Thanosied]

Okay, no more talk of this being a good idea or it being cool for game play or any of that. Wake the @#*% up fanboys. Ninja- Assassin Elektra... I went and took a look; at best she is 50-60 points and John Wu's WET DREAM. Come on, I shouldn't have to explain this. Everyone should know by now that no form of Ninja-Assasin could defeat a real super hero. I reserve a little judgement for when I see some of the other bomb characters in the set. But unless Wolverine, Phoenix and the Hulk are above 900 points, I don't see how this has any balance in the game. I admit a mini series character should be allowed in the game and up to this point none have been quite so over exagerated as Elektra. With the exception of the sculp which all players in my Den think looks cool, the rest of the figure is an insult to any comic (or universe in comicdom). Not since the appalling tragedy of giving the Mad Titan "battlefury" and not "outwit", has something so totally, unnecessarily, bonechillingly terrible happened to put a dark, damp, miserable taint on everyone's souls. Only a complete idiot would not at least send a response to wizkids to have their heads checked into a psych ward after making a #### 40 point character into 160 point goodness. All the people laughing actually know what they are talking about. If you plan on fielding her on teams in tournament play to win LE's I commend you, cause I would do the same( Its for CASH). But all other exceptions need not apply and stay away cause your vote doesn't matter and will not be heard. P.S If I ever go to the US and actually see Frank Miller or Bill Sienkewicz I will ##### slap them both like whiny #####es for possibly begining the downfall of one of the most promising games ever created.

[Eric Qel-Droma]

Huh. I liked Mignola's Darkseid, and I've never been a huge Gene Colan fan. Still, I can see where you're coming from on that score...

As for Sandman, I haven't read a lot of that one (just a hole in my comics education, I guess), but I know that Sandman Mystery Theatre was a heck of a book, especially at the beginning of the series.

Oh, well. Different strokes, etc., etc.

Eric

[Castiglione]

Originally posted by daredevil11
To the other 1% of you who have read the mini run "Elektra:Assassin", congrats, you have your figure and we've entered an era where 8 issues qualifies you for figure status . . .

Hmmm, exactly how many issues did the Spider-Man have 6 arms? How long has the White Quean had her 'diamond' powers? How many times did Batman use the kryptonite gloves?

Just because Elektra isn't one of your favorite characters, now you sit up and take notice of something they have already been doing. Deal.

The strange versions of characters are always going to be part of the HC game, but they are going to be uniques, or maybe just 1 vesion of a given REV. You don't have to like it, but you don't have whine about it either.....


I for one can't wait to use the old 'ninja-wamma jamma'...
At least this proves that yes, the designers do read comics...and the comics are the only reason this game has become so successful, so to complain about the cross pollination is ridiculous.

PS-My intention was not to single out you dardevil11, your comment just gave me the best segue into my point.

[Castiglione]

Originally posted by daredevil11
Second, as far as books written for "mature" audiences go, in my experience that's comic code for pornographic, violent comics written for over 30 pervs.

Well, then you don't have much experience.
There is a difference between 'mature' and 'adult'.

Yes, Elektra Assassin was violent, as all super heros comics are to one degree or another, but not pornographic.

I guess you have proven the world wrong again dardevil11 with your new technique for juding books by their covers.....

This thread is tiring, what with all the whining fanboys who complain even when they get exactly what they want. I wonder why I even play this frigging game sometimes....

[Saiko-Ronin]

Originally posted by Thanosied
Okay, no more talk of this being a good idea or it being cool for game play or any of that. Wake the @#*% up fanboys. Ninja- Assassin Elektra... I went and took a look; at best she is 50-60 points and John Wu's WET DREAM. Come on, I shouldn't have to explain this. Everyone should know by now that no form of Ninja-Assasin could defeat a real super hero. I reserve a little

P.S If I ever go to the US and actually see Frank Miller or Bill Sienkewicz I will ##### slap them both like whiny #####es for possibly begining the downfall of one of the most promising games ever created.

First of all, new Elektra is a good idea.

So you think that just cos she is 160 points she is gonna suddenly be this new unbeatable figure? sheesh.

And about Miller and Sienkewicz, did they really begin the downfall of Heroclix in the 80's? I wish they'd let me play with their time machine as well then.

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by daredevil11


First, if it was so popular, why did the vast majority of people responding to the thread when it began, included self proclaimed Elektra fans, have no idea why she had so many powers - answer, not a very popular series. And even if it was, so what. If I pick up a comic with Elektra in it today, will she have these powers? No, because it was a miniseries and its over and it really had nothing to do with her true origin or complete story.

Second, as far as books written for "mature" audiences go, in my experience that's comic code for pornographic, violent comics written for over 30 pervs.

For a guy with the handle of Daredevil11, you're a nincompoop when it comes to the Daredevil storyline. Do your homework, read the series, and quit whining about it. It's ALL about her origin; it's a prequel, if you will. Miller plopped her into the comic (that's the Daredevil comic) fully formed and operational, and then killed her for dramatic purposes. Fan response was so rabid that he decided to write up her backstory. That's what the series is about, sucka. It's okay to be ignorant of something. There's no shame in that. But you are arguing from a place where you have no ground to stand on. Ignorance is fine, because it's fixable. Stubborness? Anger? Hatred? A Jedi craves not these things...

And please, please don't bag on mature audience comics. You really sound like a lunatic extremist when you generalize them like that. You should know that there are far too many critically-acclaimed, award-winning comics that are considered classics in the industry that also happen to be mature readers comics.

It's really okay to admit you are wrong, too. Why don't you tell us what's really bugging you?

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by I Am The Game
The first and only Sandman issue I ever bought was about a child molesters' convention, #14, if I'm not mistaken. I can't help but think that the writers of these sick, twisted, demented stories are giving an insight into themselves, and I'd rather not be indulging them by paying for it.

Wait a minute. So, by that standard, anyone who writes about a violent crime is a murderer? If I write a gay character, am I gay?
I wrote a novella about Elvis once; does that make me the King?

Andrew Vachss writes novels about a guy named Burke, a man who deals with and sometimes tracks down child molesters. By your definition, Vachss is a filthy bugger. What you may not know is that Vachss is a public defender who specializes in prosecuting child molesters. So, maybe you ought to rethink your stance on that just a tad. Furthermore, I don't think you read the comic you bought. It was a serial killer's convention, not a child molester's convention. And it was supposed to be absurd.

To the Mignola fan, the absolute worst rendition of Darkseid I've ever seen was in Cosmic Odyssey. Gene Colan is the man. Wanna talk Daredevil hotties? Keep your Elektra... Gene's Black Widow is simply the hottest woman in comics. Refute me if you dare!

Sure, because of that bad drawing of that one character, I'd throw the baby out with the bathwater. Absolutely. Perfectly reasonable....Have you even seen Hellboy?

[Grinner]

Originally posted by I Am The Game
The first and only Sandman issue I ever bought was about a child molesters' convention, #14, if I'm not mistaken.

You are. It was a serial killers convention, and the 'special guest' of the convention, The Corinthian, was actually a living nightmare who had escaped from the dream world back at the start of the series.

Originally posted by I Am The Game
I can't help but think that the writers of these sick, twisted, demented stories are giving an insight into themselves, and I'd rather not be indulging them by paying for it.


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your outburst here was due to the mistaken "child molesters" angle, and does not carry over to serial killers. If it does, do you hold books and movies to the same standard? Serial killer novels are among the best selling mystery fiction and true-crime books. Silence of the Lambs (Oscar winning), Hannibal, Red Dragon, Kiss the Girls...all successful movies about serial killers. Do you think that anyone who writes about a serial killer is 'sick, twisted & demented?'

I do agree, however, that Mignola's Darkseid looked awful.

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Doctor Strange
You know... I think people make too many assumptions about Elektra because she's a woman.

Do you actually read the comics?

She doesn't seduce people.

She kills them.

I think that Mind control represents her manipulative powers in tactical misdirection. Im not justifying that either. Between her deductive abilities and far superior guerilla tactics, she can manipulate people in the middle of a fight.

It's happened in the comics when she misdirected both SHIELD and HYDRA into doing basically exactly what she wanted.

So while she doesn't have "Mind Control", she does have the ability to manipulate people and make them do what she wants them to do.

They put the effect of the power over the name of it.

One more thing.... (and im setting myself up to be flammed big time) Elektra, as she is in her comics, would be a match for Batman. He would probably win in the end, but the fight could take the entire issue.

Bah...unless she's sporting nose filters...ear plugs...and advanced optics...Batman would own her in a fight.

He regularly carries flashbangs, gasses, sonics..among other things...along with his not so shabby fighting skills...

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Saiko-Ronin


First of all, new Elektra is a good idea.

So you think that just cos she is 160 points she is gonna suddenly be this new unbeatable figure? sheesh.

And about Miller and Sienkewicz, did they really begin the downfall of Heroclix in the 80's? I wish they'd let me play with their time machine as well then.

The thing being that there is no backing for a 160 point Elektra...sure points doesn't exactly translate to power..some versatile people will lose to single minded powerhouses even at similar points...but 160 points? Even if she is overcosted by a factor of 2...that means she could conceivably be on the same level as Dr. Strange, Magneto, or Firelord...and if not incredibly overcosted...then capable of beating 2 Batmans....or 3 Daredevils to put it that way...or hell, give Ultron or Brainiac 13 a serious challenge...it starts gettin kinda ridiculous.

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by Jadehorde


The thing being that there is no backing for a 160 point Elektra...sure points doesn't exactly translate to power..some versatile people will lose to single minded powerhouses even at similar points...but 160 points? Even if she is overcosted by a factor of 2...that means she could conceivably be on the same level as Dr. Strange, Magneto, or Firelord...and if not incredibly overcosted...then capable of beating 2 Batmans....or 3 Daredevils to put it that way...or hell, give Ultron or Brainiac 13 a serious challenge...it starts gettin kinda ridiculous.

I have absolutely no idea how the spreadsheet calculates the points, and frankly, neither do you.

But here's a thought...what if, just maybe...high stats...AND certain powers...could actually raise the cost of the figure? Just a thought, now. Idle speculation. I wonder if a figure that was fast, agile, and lethal and who ALSO had mind control, range, and other combat-specific points, wouldn't be more points than, say, the bald Brit in the wheelchair?

It's just a thought.

And to the rest of you who are insisting she's too expensive (*not* because you want to field her for under a hundred points, but because you think you know how character generation in HeroClix works), I say to you, until you can look at the spreadsheet, you're guessing. Just guessing. If the figure doesn't match up with YOUR calculations, then guess what? Your calculations are wrong. Because you DON'T have the Clix master spreadsheet. That's the final say. That's the thing that generates points. Not your exception-ridden reverse-engineered thing.

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by Grinner


I'll give you the benefit of the doubt that your outburst here was due to the mistaken "child molesters" angle, and does not carry over to serial killers. If it does, do you hold books and movies to the same standard? Serial killer novels are among the best selling mystery fiction and true-crime books. Silence of the Lambs (Oscar winning), Hannibal, Red Dragon, Kiss the Girls...all successful movies about serial killers. Do you think that anyone who writes about a serial killer is 'sick, twisted & demented?'

I do agree, however, that Mignola's Darkseid looked awful.

Oh, Grinner. I was so WITH you until that last sentence...

[Dalmatio69]

Theres some serious funny stuff here, like "Who did she assasinate? Galactus?"

Puuuure comedy.

Anyways, from what i hear, i think noone will play her unless its for fun. What are you getting for allmost your entire team or at least just over half of it? (Thats in 200/300 points). Her damage output is sad. Two damage. Wow. She has BCF, but with 12 attack and BCF just take the original U Elecktra. So most people wont be using her for BCF. Super Senses and stealth is nasty, but not worth 100+ points to use. Also, she might not even have them on the same click because of MC. So, if/when shes used, its probally for a double MC at 6 range, which is really cool. The perplex will also definitely be useful, but does anyone honestly think at 160 points shes worth it?

[Grinner]

Originally posted by MarkFinn
Oh, Grinner. I was so WITH you until that last sentence...

Sorry. I really didn't like his Darkseid. LOVE his Hellboy stuff, enjoyed his art on Batman/Hellboy/Starman, like his Batman stuff. Just do not like his Darkseid.

[I Am The Game]

An artist puts a piece of himself into his works. Do little boys draw pictures of torture and rape? Of course not, because they've never been exposed to the concepts. All they see on tv is guns and tanks, so that's what occupies their minds. The more sick and depraved the work, the more scarred the psyche.

What's the name of that pair working on X-Men, Morrison and Quitely? Ever seen pictures of them? Look at the chest-hair, smirking Wolverine he drew, and tell me his lifestyle isn't influencing his work. Northstar, gay Beast... seems to fit what I'm talking about.

We're way off track, but Hellboy is typical of Mignola's style. I was going to mention it, but I thought it would be clear that if I don't like Mignola, that I definitely don't like Hellboy.

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by cyberdragon
Well. I have read the Elektra: Assassin mini-series, although it was a long time ago. I guess I'd have to go back to it to refresh my memory.

I also collect the current series.

In my humble opinion, I think they went too far with this version of Elektra.

The sculpt is great. The idea of making her more powerfull than she was in her previous HeroClix incarnations is also great.

But based on the premise that she is properly costed at 160, I believe that she is way too powerfull.

It can be argued that she is a master killer with tremendous fighting skills and is also adept at throwing her sais. Still, she remains human and there is a limit to what you can do in terms of power when you are not an altered human or mutant. I don't think Elektra should be over 100pts, even with a big gun.

Anyway, I agree with some that they made a mistake here with this clix. With the information we have so far anyway.

But despite that, I still have high expectations for the Xplosion set. We have seen good things with Psylocke, Spidey, Iron-Man and the new DD. It will still rock.

And WK will have a chance to fix this in the upcoming sets as we will certainly get more Elektras. Again.

Good thoughts...I'd have to agree with most of them. I thought, if they have to add her, definitely throw in an oddball one. A very powerful one is good, but only relatively...

Even if she is overcosted...lets say she's really worth only 80 points....that's still quite a bit more than I would give to someone with no super powers...great training and talent, but no powers or gadgetry should not be in the 100+ range.

Hell, even ones with minor powers shouldn't be in that category...Bullseye, Daredevil, dare I say it, Captain America...shouldn't just cause while points don't equal comic power...there is some correlation especially for the lesser powered characters. And these characters don't have that kind of gumption...Batman's the only one I'll accept, for his deviousness and plot device ability to have some plan in place to win, and only just barely...a boosted Captain would also be OK...one with superstrength for example...

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by I Am The Game
An artist puts a piece of himself into his works. Do little boys draw pictures of torture and rape? Of course not, because they've never been exposed to the concepts. All they see on tv is guns and tanks, so that's what occupies their minds. The more sick and depraved the work, the more scarred the psyche.

What's the name of that pair working on X-Men, Morrison and Quitely? Ever seen pictures of them? Look at the chest-hair, smirking Wolverine he drew, and tell me his lifestyle isn't influencing his work. Northstar, gay Beast... seems to fit what I'm talking about.

We're way off track, but Hellboy is typical of Mignola's style. I was going to mention it, but I thought it would be clear that if I don't like Mignola, that I definitely don't like Hellboy.

Wow. You've turned an Elektra discussion forum into...well, I don't know what you turned it into. It sounds very...self-loathing. But you know what? It's all you. It's all very clear.

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by MarkFinn


I have absolutely no idea how the spreadsheet calculates the points, and frankly, neither do you.

But here's a thought...what if, just maybe...high stats...AND certain powers...could actually raise the cost of the figure? Just a thought, now. Idle speculation. I wonder if a figure that was fast, agile, and lethal and who ALSO had mind control, range, and other combat-specific points, wouldn't be more points than, say, the bald Brit in the wheelchair?

It's just a thought.

And to the rest of you who are insisting she's too expensive (*not* because you want to field her for under a hundred points, but because you think you know how character generation in HeroClix works), I say to you, until you can look at the spreadsheet, you're guessing. Just guessing. If the figure doesn't match up with YOUR calculations, then guess what? Your calculations are wrong. Because you DON'T have the Clix master spreadsheet. That's the final say. That's the thing that generates points. Not your exception-ridden reverse-engineered thing.

What the heck are you talking about? I wasn't talking about how they got her point total from the stats or powers given...only that the eventual total was too high...

To take a small page from your ridiculously defensive sarcasm...what if <gasp> they didn't give her all these random oodles of powers and high stats? What if a "street level" character weren't loaded for bear that could concievably mean she could beat some of the heaviest hitters in comicdom all by her lonesome? Amazing I know, but the last time I checked marital arts/ninja mojo, and a gun don't mean jack to Doomsday...

And the whole point of my previous post was that...even seriously overcosted, she has too high a point total to "fit" in the Marvel universe. Sure, people get boosted, maybe even for the duration of one fight...but to jump from Magento busting power to barely above a Thug is kinda strange no? Considering there wasn't any cosmic intervention between the two, like Odin Thor, Cosmic Spidey, or Phoenix...

An 80 point Elektra would still be a bit high...but not completely impossible to accept...assuming other characters would be getting similar treaments down the line.

But if she isn't overcosted, then that means she has reasonable chances against Doomsday, Thing, Hulk, Thor, Supes, Ultron, Dr. Doom, Brainiac 13, Magneto,a small team of lesser heroes...no Spidey can touch her...Vision, Quasar, 2 Batmen, and 3 Daredevils...

Now from what's been stated about her abilities...I don't think she can take most of the clix listed, but still, for it to even be in doubt...that's ridiculous along the lines of Punisher taking down the entire Marvel Universe. I mean points don't equal power in comics, but there is some correlation, and the one here is pretty ridiculous...that's all I'm saying

[Grinner]

Originally posted by I Am The Game
An artist puts a piece of himself into his works. Do little boys draw pictures of torture and rape? Of course not, because they've never been exposed to the concepts. All they see on tv is guns and tanks, so that's what occupies their minds. The more sick and depraved the work, the more scarred the psyche.

What's the name of that pair working on X-Men, Morrison and Quitely? Ever seen pictures of them? Look at the chest-hair, smirking Wolverine he drew, and tell me his lifestyle isn't influencing his work. Northstar, gay Beast... seems to fit what I'm talking about.

You know the first thing that came to my mind as I read this? Buzz Lightyear's line from Toy Story - "You are a sad, strange, little man. You have my pity."

So the only way a writer can write about a disturbed individual is if they are disturbed themselves? Apparently the concepts of research and imagination don't enter into your view of writing.

And as for Northstar - a) he was outted years ago in Alpha Flight, which Morrison & Quitely had nothing to do with and more importantly b) he's primarily over in Uncanny X-men, which neither Morrison or Quitely work on.

[Grinner]

Jadehorde -

In several of the Elektra minis that came out from the time of her death until her more recent incarnation she wasn't a "street level" character. She was doing things like full-scale mind control, stopping bullets in mid-air, jumping on arrows and setting said arrows on fire with a touch. She had actual, full blown super powers. Rather Matrix-like, really.

She has, of late, been brought back down to the 'street level' that she started as. And she's much more believable that way. But in the specific mini-series reference for this figure and others that followed she was megapowered. Is 160 high for the figure? Possibly. We'll have to see what she has. The point, though, is that she was 'super' not 'street.'

(Hey, we're back on topic and everything :eek:)

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Random
Here's my little bit on this. !60 points? So what? People use Figs that I think are way too expensive for the powers they offer all the time. I would Love to have one of these figs, and have her I WILL! I really don't think I'll ever use her, but then again, I tend to build large armies of lower point cost, offering me more options. Should I play in a really high point game for fun, I may use her though.

The point is, she's a UNIQUE! they SHOULD be expensive AND powerfull. I have been disapointed in the past at the low costs/ weak powers of some previous uniques. This is how they ALL should be. Powerfull and expensive.

but what do I know?

Actually, I liked the younger Cyclops...except that he was necessarily lower than Rookie Cyclops making him a crazy character to use..but I liked the nod to the past on that one.

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Grinner
Jadehorde -

In several of the Elektra minis that came out from the time of her death until her more recent incarnation she wasn't a "street level" character. She was doing things like full-scale mind control, stopping bullets in mid-air, jumping on arrows and setting said arrows on fire with a touch. She had actual, full blown super powers. Rather Matrix-like, really.

She has, of late, been brought back down to the 'street level' that she started as. And she's much more believable that way. But in the specific mini-series reference for this figure and others that followed she was megapowered. Is 160 high for the figure? Possibly. We'll have to see what she has. The point, though, is that she was 'super' not 'street.'

(Hey, we're back on topic and everything :eek:)

Possible, but I will still say that 150+ puts her on the Doomsday, Quasar, Ultron level, which even Matrix powers being accepted should still be beyond her ability to compete against...these are world class powers...I don't see anyone that needs a gun or a sword (unless its Excalibur or something), capable of running with this crowd, bullet time/minor reality warping aside.

But I'll concede the street level thing...I was going with recent and initial runs I suppose...and a few random stuff here and there...

[scottcoz]

Originally posted by daredevil11
Oh please, listen to this, people talking about an 8 issue comic as an important piece of "work" . . . you know, pick up a something with a hard cover once in awhile.
Geez Phil you crack me up, look no need to be so bitter, one day the achne will fade and you will get a date . . .
Hmmm... I find myself wondering how someone who makes comments like the above - implying that those who disagrees with him are immature - can then make a comment like:
Second, as far as books written for "mature" audiences go, in my experience that's comic code for pornographic, violent comics written for over 30 pervs.
.... and expect people to take him seriously.

I'm left with no clear idea what Daredevil11's actual position is, since he contradicts himself so much. The only thing I can tell for sure is that he's angry (although why someone would get so worked up over a piece of plastic I have no idea), and will likely resort to insulting anyone who dares to disagree with him.

The above comments do leave me with a couple of questions, tho. Daredevil11 - exactly what did your comment about "hard cover" books mean? Since you seem to have nothing but disdain for "mature" themes, it's hard to figure out what you actually prefer in your fiction. When you read hard cover novels, do you limit yourself to stuff like Charlotte's Web, because anything else is just disguised pornography? [By the way - no disrespect toward Charlotte's Web intended. Great novel! I'm just trying to make a point about the whole "mature theme" thing.]

I honestly dont' mean to be insulting here - just trying to sort out your position. Perhaps - if I havn't angered you enough that you'll just flame me - you could clarify? Thanks.

[JerryReedStyle]

Originally posted by daredevil11


Oh please, listen to this, people talking about an 8 issue comic as an important piece of "work" . . . you know, pick up a something with a hard cover once in awhile.

Well, devil, I was operating under the impression that we all understand that 'important' is a relative term. Comparing apples to apples, the Elektra: Assassin series was important...AS COMICS GO. Is that slightly more clear now?
In addition...I'd be happy to compare stacks of hardbacks with you, if you're willing to risk it. <chuckle>

[Phil Dixon]

Originally posted by I Am The Game
What's the name of that pair working on X-Men, Morrison and Quitely? Ever seen pictures of them? Look at the chest-hair, smirking Wolverine he drew, and tell me his lifestyle isn't influencing his work. Northstar, gay Beast... seems to fit what I'm talking about. I always enjoy your posts. Nobody combines ignorance and self-hatred to such comic effect.

Here's a news-flash. Superheroes have always been homoerotic. Hard-bodied men in skin-tight costumes, wrestling in the street? You can't get much gayer than that. That's part of what Quitely and Morrison are sending up.

Oh, and incidentally I don't know about Quitely (don't care, either), but Morrison's actually hetero. He might look queer in a picture (to a bigot that is), but he ain't. Funny old world, eh?

[drop19]

Originally posted by I Am The Game
An artist puts a piece of himself into his works. Do little boys draw pictures of torture and rape? Of course not, because they've never been exposed to the concepts. All they see on tv is guns and tanks, so that's what occupies their minds. The more sick and depraved the work, the more scarred the psyche.

I'm really not sure if you are discussing comics specifically here or just any form of fiction. Many films, novels, and yes even comics have some very important things to say about issues which might not be happy funtime material. Alan Moore's From Hell leaps to mind immediately, an immensely well-written and intellectual comic series. Others have already mentioned the Hannibal Lecter films. NYPD Blue or The Shield are examples that would apply from television. Considering we play a game in which people slash each other with blade claws, blast each other with energy explosions, or attack others with poison is it really fair to be calling another form of entertainment depraved for portraying violence?

What's the name of that pair working on X-Men, Morrison and Quitely? Ever seen pictures of them? Look at the chest-hair, smirking Wolverine he drew, and tell me his lifestyle isn't influencing his work. Northstar, gay Beast... seems to fit what I'm talking about.

Hmm, if I didn't know any better I'd think you were trying to draw a correlation between your earlier points about sickness and depravity to creators who include gay characters in their comics. The comedy about this particular example, as others have pointed out, is that Mr. Morrison has a girlfriend and I'm fairly certain Mr. Quitely is married with children. Hopefully the fact that two men with female significant others included gay characters in their book won't cause anyone's head to explode here. You're right though. We need to get this sickness out of the book and get it back to the good old days of Wolverine slashing apart tons of faceless ninjas and cyborgs...good clean fun.

[GroovyBoy]

Originally posted by I Am The Game
An artist puts a piece of himself into his works. Do little boys draw pictures of torture and rape? Of course not, because they've never been exposed to the concepts. All they see on tv is guns and tanks, so that's what occupies their minds. The more sick and depraved the work, the more scarred the psyche.

What's the name of that pair working on X-Men, Morrison and Quitely? Ever seen pictures of them? Look at the chest-hair, smirking Wolverine he drew, and tell me his lifestyle isn't influencing his work. Northstar, gay Beast... seems to fit what I'm talking about.

We're way off track, but Hellboy is typical of Mignola's style. I was going to mention it, but I thought it would be clear that if I don't like Mignola, that I definitely don't like Hellboy.

As long as your stuck on this line of reasoning and just won't let it go, does your name I Am The Game reflect the egomaniacal side of your personality a la "artists putting a piece of himself into his works?" I mean, Robert Atwan does say self-identity is a deliberate process....

[Phil Dixon]

Originally posted by GroovyBoy
As long as your stuck on this line of reasoning and just won't let it go, does your name I Am The Game reflect the egomaniacal side of your personality a la "artists putting a piece of himself into his works?" I mean, Robert Atwan does say self-identity is a deliberate process.... Not in this case, I think. I don't believe he understands the subtext. I mean, he's clearly uncomfortable about homosexuality, and yet he takes his name from TV wrestling? I think his subconscious is trying to say something.

[daredevil11]

Originally posted by MarkFinn


For a guy with the handle of Daredevil11, you're a nincompoop when it comes to the Daredevil storyline.

You know for a guy that continually complains about "shrill" posts, you seem to have a little trouble in that area yourself. Visited your site, I don't think we're really going to agree on this topic, but anyway, found some interesting advise there about tolerance for people who do not speak in Elvish . . .


What can I say, follow your own advice and chill out.

[daredevil11]

Sheesh . . .
Well to sum up, I think clix made of figures taken out of continuity are just not a great idea. I don't think they have enough exposure and in some cases, they differ a great deal from the common perception of the character. Right now I got a BlackHawk miniseries I'm about to put on ebay, in it there are multiple forced sex incidents, tons of profanity, and Blackhawk is a drunken slutt. Does that mean if WK makes a Blackhawk figure, I want one with a beer in one hand and his telewacker in the other . . . no I don't, I'd like the traditional character.

It's a valid point that I didn't complain about OWAW supes, krypto bats or 6 armed Spidey, I suppose I should have and I apologize for not doing so. Frankly, OWAW supes got replaced with a standard Superman from the REV version the minute I got him and I have similar plans for Krypto bats and Spidey. They didn't really snag my attention because I think the dials for those figures are consistant with the characters ability, so alternate sculpt aside, they still seem to play like the base character, with emphasis placed on certain abilities. The dial for this new Elektra though is such a radical departure from the 3 we already have, that it just seems like a completely different character.

Hey, this is my opinion, straight up . . . I'm not stupid, illiterate or anything I've been accused of. I don't demand that everyone agree with me, here's my opinion . . . what's yours? I'd be more interested in hearing that than comments about how lacking I am. But either way, have a nice day and keep on clicking.

[lavinah]

Daredevil11: Well, at least you're honest. More than what can be said about a good deal of the people here.

And to Phil Dixon - the crack about homoerotic male comic heros in spandex wrestling around in the street - thanks...I needed to alert everyone at my work that I was reading posts. That was funny.

-lavinah

[I Am The Game]

GroovyBoy, I'm not stuck on anything, I presented an argument, and I'm responding to what's being said. At least you make an intelligent argument, and I'm happy to respect your opinions. PhilDixon has been flaming people since page 3 of this thread, so I value his opinion far less...

I grew up with Wolverine slashing people up, and Punisher shooting down criminals. That will always be as far as my ideal comic book style goes. In my eyes, it doesn't need to go any further to tell a great story. Don't take this to mean it shouldn't go further, all I'm saying is if it does go further, I probably won't like it. I grew up with wrestling, too, and value the athletic achievement, not the tights. Stupid comment, that.

I've argued in another post that excessive gore and violence leads to readers needing more and more to catch their attention. The proper mood can do more for a story than senseless blood and guts. The story of Dr. Arkham in Arkham: Asylum was brilliant. What kept me from enjoying the book totally was that I don't know the minor Batman villains like Maxie Zeus, and because I found some of the pages hard to distinguish. It was a seductive tale that drew me in, it wasn't in-my-face gory.

Armchair sociology, if I could call it that, sometimes raises the hairs on the back of my neck, and I like to rely on that sometimes. I never said that everyone who writes violent fiction is necessarily violent, my point refers more to people who go to extremes.

To get back to the topic at hand, why has no one attempted to predict what other variations on characters Wizkids can do?

Secret Wars Doctor Doom?
Paper bag, FF costume Spidey?
I'm outta ideas...!

[MarkFinn]

Originally posted by daredevil11


You know for a guy that continually complains about "shrill" posts, you seem to have a little trouble in that area yourself. Visited your site, I don't think we're really going to agree on this topic, but anyway, found some interesting advise there about tolerance for people who do not speak in Elvish . . .


What can I say, follow your own advice and chill out.

I'm just holding a mirror up, DD. Sorry if you don't like what you're looking at. Half of my posts here start with, "Oh Please, listen to yourself..." If you read my manifesto, then you can understand where I'm coming from.

But I'll agree to disagree with you, if only to cut down on the yammering on this thread.

[lavinah]

See, I too grew up with Wolverine slashing people and Punisher shooting people - as well as Rogue kissing 'da boys and Storm having powers - then not having them - then getting them back.

I also grew up with Elektra:Assassin. I'll admit that I didn't get it at the time (I was knee high to a grasshopper), but I still have the run. Years later, upon re-reading it, I understood it much more for the political insight and satire.

So, I grew out of Wolvering slashing people somewhat, and into Sandman. If you haven't read the Sandman books, you're missing out on arguably the greatest comic story ever told. If you're looking for hack and slash and big 'uns in tight spandex, look elsewhere. In this case, Mature ment higher level language and concepts like death - instead of KO'ed.

I'll compare to a similar medium, daily comics in the papers. When you're young, Garfield and Peanuts are quite funny, and you love reading them. Even now, I still find some of those strips humourous. But, as my tastes have...matured, I've progressed to the more (IMO) intelligent, witty, satirical and insightful comics like Boondocks, Non-Sequitor and Calvin and Hobbes. Still haven't got Doonsberry yet...

I'll commend Marvel and DC and other publishers for trying to have the mainstream "SuperHero" characters try to tackle "mature" themes, but in most cases they ring hallow once Wolvie's claws pop out to rip someone up.

Comic books can be many things. For some, it's a distraction. Others, a homo/hetero erotic fantasy. Others still, enjoy a good story. Sometimes it's just the art. Don't criticize someone because why they like comics isin't why you do.

-lavinah

[Joe Kerr]

I noticed someone call this Elektra a "game killer"

A game killer for who? She won't be that hard to take down. Sure she has supersenses all the way down the dial, but Vet Ultron has invulnerability so let's see her take him and his 10 range. Besides being 160 points means she will be an easy target since in a 300 point game she is over half your army.

This Elektra will be a fun piece but she is no Firelord period.

And with this many pages, she's obviously getting the attention Wizkids wants so I'm sure we will be getting more Elektra's in the future. :)

[rctpool]

Just tried to get through all the post in this thread. Only got up to 8 or so pages. I don't care for Elektra in any version. Glad she's a unique, means I probably never get her.

[daredevil11]

Originally posted by MarkFinn
I'm just holding a mirror up, DD. Sorry if you don't like what you're looking at.

Huhhh????? (edited: nevermind, not worth it - whatever, I've given my opinion, if that makes me lacking in the eyes of some of you, or ignorant because I don't see things the way you do, than that's your hang up - have a nice day)

[Ironman44]

I was one of the original 160 point Elktra whiners but I think we're starting to spend too much time on this.

In a way it will be fun when someone does finally field her, I can't wait to see her go down.

[CandySuxxx]

news flash "daredevil11" you're ridiculous. i've read this thread and im truly sorry, but you are. hmm 11? that wouldn't be your age now would it?

[daredevil11]

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[daredevil11]

Originally posted by CandySuxxx
news flash "daredevil11" you're ridiculous. i've read this thread and im truly sorry, but you are. hmm 11? that wouldn't be your age now would it?

No it's not actually Candysuxxx . . . hmm nice name, well Candy, your name fits you well too PS: regarding your location, move out of your Dad's basement.

[CandySuxxx]

Originally posted by daredevil11


No it's not actually Candysuxxx . . . hmm nice name, yours fits you well too PS: regarding your location, move out of your Dad's basement.

whats wrong w/ my name? i love jenna jameson so ive become her alter ego. why? are you THE daredevil? also i have a roof over my head. my ancestors moved outta thier caves centurys ago. maybe yours didnt get the memo, or haven't begun to walk upright. i dont know you figure it out.

[Comte]

Wow I kinda vanish for a week or so due to school work and sickness, and I come back and find a sparkely new preview of this increadble elektra from that Assasins series. I was happy because she was all sorts of cool and maybe other people would be excited too. And you know after 14 pages the only thing I have to say would get me warned. Well anyway I was exceited about the new Elektra, I thought she looked great and the whole range of powers would make her wonderfuly fun to play. I'm glad they dug up this limited miniseries and made a clix out of it and it is and activity I hope they do in the future. Maybe we will get lucky and we will get versions of charecters from YOUR favorite miniseries.

[Aron]

Calm down people

Don't freak.

With only 16 defense, and being over 100 points she's Not going to be able to take down guys like thanos, ultron, thor or even hulk or thing without a LOT of luck. Yea, she'll be able to hit some of them easily, for say, 6 if she's lucky. They can take the beats, retaliate and smack her hard. With only 8 clicks, do any of them Really need to hit her that many times to cripple her? Unlikely. She'll put up a pretty good fight, but eventually she'll crumple.

Simple strategy makes her rather vulnerable to certain types of attacks based on her current description, and a standard cosmic sized character like say Ultron Doom, etc will more than likely rip her to shreds even still.. but they'll get beaten up a bit before hand.

She Won't break the game. Require some changes in strategy maybe, encourage less run and gun and more close combat, Yes - but otherwise she's going to be a 160 point sitting duck.

[The Burt]

Ok. First thing. I like the game, like the figs more. However.....

BIIIIIGGG Marvel Universe. Sideline Character. 3 figs with her name on it.

I can't believe a bit part character like Elektra (come on, everybody knows she was just a plot device!) gets three figs before a heavy hitter like the Punisher or Iron Man or War Machine gets one! At least Shell-Head's getting in on the next release (bout time). What about the Rhino? or Namor? or Silver Surfer? or Iceman, or Angel, or Beast. Heck, I'd like to see Rick Jones or Brother Voodoo before A THIRD Elektra. I mean, come on, man, talk to me! You don't even have all the original X-men out yet!

A third Elektra.....I'm stunned. Maybe if we are really lucky we will see a second Puppet Master or Boomerang even! Jeesh.

At any rate, at least the game and figs still rock! Make mine Marvel, true believers.

[cephy]

Originally posted by paladin72
Sorry guys. I didn't catch that hot seller. Who did she assassinate? Galactus?

It was quite some time ago, early to mid eighties I think. Maybe around the time that Bullseye managed to kill her even in Daredevil. i seem to remember something vaguely about a Hand Ninja ressurrection ceremony and her changing costume appearances from red to white( very Stormshadowish). All in all the books were a good read, much like anything Frank Miller has written in the past. They were also ultra-violent, much like anything Frank Miller has written as a Limited Series in the past. (Wolverine, Sin City anyone?)
As far as Galactus goes don't forget that barely four years ago, a famous Image artist was writing the Wolverine books and sent him into frontal combat with Galactus. Granted, the story was as far-fetched as any could possibly get, but the way he wrote it, the hairy little mutant actually had a chance...

Cephy

[LuckyJ]

I've heard it's in Wizkids' contract w/ Marvel to have a Hulk, Wolverine, Spiderman, and Elektra in every set. I guess they're the best-sellers or something. I actually heard that Elektra doesn't sell so well and they're hoping that people who play clix will be familiar with her and buy her book...don't know if that's true or anything, but that's what I heard.

Does anyone remember Nightmare? No? Ok. He's 163 points and can't fly. Elektra can't either. His attack is 14. Hers is 12. His defense is 18 (inv.). Hers is...16. He has 10 clix of life. She has 8.

If he doesn't get play, I doubt she'll get much more.

I'll play with her cuz I think she's pretty cool and she's a combo of all my favorite powers: BCF, Perplex, MC, and Stealth.

[The Burt]

Originally posted by LuckyJ
I've heard it's in Wizkids' contract w/ Marvel to have a Hulk, Wolverine, Spiderman, and Elektra in every set. I guess they're the best-sellers or something. I actually heard that Elektra doesn't sell so well and they're hoping that people who play clix will be familiar with her and buy her book...don't know if that's true or anything, but that's what I heard.


I'll play with her cuz I think she's pretty cool and she's a combo of all my favorite powers: BCF, Perplex, MC, and Stealth.

Well that would explain it. Nothing against Elektra, but three (actually four!) figs is a bit much for me. As for game play, I can't speak much for that (I mostly play with my kids--who are five and three). We pretty much set them up, explain who the bad guys/good guys are and then my three year old knocks them down (and Spiderman ALWAYS wins--ALWAYS (Hey, just like in the comics!)). That's pretty much it round my house.

I'm mainly a figure collector/painter/converter at this point, until I can find/recruit some players in my area. From a collector's point of view duplicate characters are accepted. Quadricate (is that even a WORD?) characters are downright annoying.

Thanks for the reply, however. At least now I can tell myself that it's all a publicity stunt and not some weird, foolish Elektra hang-up the creator has (not that she isn't drawn well). By the way, why DOES she have Mind Control?

[Magneto666]

I must admit, I was ready to jump on here and type out a ton of negativity on this figure....why another Elektra, blah blah blah.....but after reading that description again, explaining where they came up with the actual basis for this figure, I'd have to say that I'm pretty geeked about seeing this one......I still think 160 points is way too high to represent ANY Elektra fig (regardless of the storyline it came from), but I am really looking forward to playing this fig in a game......and I wouldn't hesitate in putting her on the front lines against any figure out there!! Sounds like an incredible addition to the game.......

[Cliffjumper]

Why the he11 another Elektra? 160??? Thats silly. And finally, double Mind Control errata for the ever growing FAQ that larger and explains more than the rule book itself. Whats the ruling now?

All I know is if they get around to making Silver Surfer and he costs more than her and has less powers Im gonna vomit.

[LD1037]

Okay, so let me get this straight. If Bullseye killed her, then that means we need to have a 170 point Bullseye? Right? It only makes sense that Elektra can be more powerful than two versions of even Superman.

[four_winds]

Whats so hard to understand.For the 50th time this isnt the elektra from DD.Deal with it,she had a carpload mor powers and her price reflects the fact that she's loaded with powers from start to finish.

[Doctor Strange]

Originally posted by LD1037
Okay, so let me get this straight. If Bullseye killed her, then that means we need to have a 170 point Bullseye? Right? It only makes sense that Elektra can be more powerful than two versions of even Superman.

We had a game once where Raksor KOed both vision and doctor strange in the same attack. Does that logic mean that we need a 183 point version of Raksor?

[Jadehorde]

Originally posted by Doctor Strange


We had a game once where Raksor KOed both vision and doctor strange in the same attack. Does that logic mean that we need a 183 point version of Raksor?

Well that is a slightly faulty analogy, as clix is based on comics, not the other way around...but even then

Raksor, might be able to do this...if the writer decided to script a fight in a way to allow someone like Raksor to take on both these characters...badly damaged it seems from your example and finish them off...

Bullseye has been consistently shown to be better or at least around the level of Elektra, so he should be a character around her point total...

Though I think that unless he met her in the miniseries, there is no reason to think that he should be as powerful...kinda like Silver Surfer forgeting he can transmute matter or screw with time to beat opponents and just lets Thing or someone hit him...but he can still do it somewhere...

[Phil Dixon]

Originally posted by cephy
As far as Galactus goes don't forget that barely four years ago, a famous Image artist was writing the Wolverine books and sent him into frontal combat with Galactus. Granted, the story was as far-fetched as any could possibly get, but the way he wrote it, the hairy little mutant actually had a chance... The "famous Image artist" in question is Erik Larsen, a favourite of mine, and I feel obliged to step up and defend him here. First, he's an accomplished writer-artist, and the only Westerner to write and draw 100 consecutive issues of a published comic book.

And secondly, the whole point of the Galactus story was just how far out of his depth Wolverine actually was. Larsen was gently poking fun at the "WOLVERINE ROKKKS!" type of fanboy.

[Carny]

well, I just got through reading most of this here argume....uhm, uh, discusssion, and the only thing that I felt like I had to say something to was someone saying that 20 Spidermen couldn't beat Batman.

What?

Spiderman only needs to hit Batman once and it should be lights out for the Bat. I know that Batman is smart, has cool toys, etc. etc, but Spiderman is superhuman, with superstrength, enhanced speed and a sense that tells him when to dodge etc.

This just seemed absurd for this guy to think that Batman would last all that long against Spidey. Since noone else mentioned it, I felt it was my responsibility as a geek to point it out.

Besides, Spidey would probably just say something clever to make Bruce slip into a funk and cry about his dead parents, or how it's his fault that all his villains exist.

Thats all :)

[Doctor Strange]

Originally posted by Carny

Besides, Spidey would probably just say something clever to make Bruce slip into a funk and cry about his dead parents, or how it's his fault that all his villains exist.

Thats all :)

LOL!!

But whatever dude! Wolverine Rawks!!

[juz]

Originally posted by IJIT
Then after that will be..........Dead Elektra

The base will have bullseye standing over Elektras corpse.

Who knows what abilities this one would have.


Now that will be a Elektra figure worth pulling. :)

[Badges2]

Two Words: NEW POWERS!!

Alright. Everyone knows that they are going to have a least one new power coming out with this expansion. At least one. She's probably chock full of new power goodyness. Why wouldn't they tell us more? The description was saying something about "You'll just have to wait to see what she has. I'm only going to tell you one clix that doesn't have enough abilities to warrant this huge cost." I don't know what powers she has, but she has to have some amazing super costing new powers to warrant that hug cost.

[Pontifex]

We can shout "Elektra:Assassin" all we want, but it doesn't change the fact that the REAL reason Elektra was redone, with so many powers, for this set was because of the Daredevil movie being out.

If it were otherwise, I would immediately demand the following figure based on the "Deadpool/Death '98 Annual":

Deadpool: 300 points

Gets new powers: Resurrection. Figure is healed to its starting value instantly when K.O.'ed.

This would also demand that new Thanos is released so that DP can be Thanos' Archenemy.

Also, There's one issue of Deadpool wherein he gets powers identical to Thor's for a single issue. So, how do I get a Deadpool movie deal started up to get these clix?

[CandySuxxx]

Originally posted by LD1037
Okay, so let me get this straight. If Bullseye killed her, then that means we need to have a 170 point Bullseye? Right? It only makes sense that Elektra can be more powerful than two versions of even Superman.


but by your reasonin' then they should make a superman that can get beat down by the unique batman, right? that would also mean doomsday would always win against superman because he killed him, and batman would get his @$$ handed to him by bane 'cause he was the man that "broke the bat". wait theres more magneto would always be able to take wolverine out 'cause he ripped him of his adamantium. thats the thing about this game. it allows you to beat up the unique elektra w/ toad, ive done it. as they continue to develop this game it allows them to learn how to ultilize thier powers for better game play. for example the new daredevil, i always thought he should have l/c and/or multiple targets, so its good to see him. so dont be suprised if we see more powerful versions of magneto, proffessor x, juggernaut, batman, and heaven forbid elektra and spider-man. i hope to get elektra, but i probably wouldnt use her that much 'cause she would become a main target, stealth or not, for my fellow clickers. i know i would aim for her.

[stylinsid]

ok gee lets see elektra in set one nice to have and a normal babe elektra in set two wish I knew more bout her i only get yellow ones hmmmm this new one looks like she is going to be great and all but geesh they still are even in the movie only human. both dare devil and elektra and well 160 points i dont think she on her best day could beat spider man or bat man or even captian america who with his super serum having self should be so redone ....gesh i am going to be sick if i get any more elektras after this .. waiting for the last elektar ( and if she is tougher than storm i just give up lol)

[freakyfraser]

160 points? 160 POINTS? 160 ...... where is my bag, I think I'm going to hyperventilate. I don't care what new powers/old powers combo she has, she's twice what she should cost (and that's being generous). I mean com'on...if Darkseid is 151 then she's a stain in his undies (that's roughly 45 - 50 points for you scoring at home). At this rate they're going to have to re-release everybody from the first set to make corrections.

[locogringo]

OkOKOK!!! Every1 has a problem with elektra. I am looking forward to the new fig.I feel that this fig is needed.I mean really how many times have you seen Elektra work with a huge crew of people.Yes she is only human but she is a human that has died once and came back. I feel that there alot of characters should be priced high enough to almost work by them selfs. My list would be Punisher,Ghost Rider,ELEKTRA,Daredevil,Batman,Supermanand Deadpool.I think that characters like that should be based more on how they were in the books.WK did it kinda with Fan4.They made a team that would end up at 200 points.Now I am not a fan of that team or its ability but it makes sence cause they work in a team all the time.WK should make the non-team characters a little higher price and a little stronger also. Every1 is hating.
Don't hate....just dont use her.I will and I will jack any of you up.

[WASSUPDUCK]

Why do we need yet another Elektra??!!?? I think three in the first two sets is plenty for anyone who really likes Elektra. Why would I use her for 160 when you can use some one with more punch like the Hulk or Super Skrull?

News for Wizkids...................Make some new chacters for a change. We are getting tired of buying boosters only to get different sculpts of the same 6 figures.

[four_winds]

why would I use hulk or superskrull when the new elektra would rip both of them to shreds?

[Jackalope]

Originally posted by daredevil11
Hey, if it was that important it wouldn't have ended after 8 issues now would it?

It was a 8-issue Limited Series! My lord I can't believe the amount of Daredevil/Bullseye/Elektra Experts that are out there since the movie came out! Why don't you guys *READ* a few issues and then come back (and I'm talking issues that havn't been published in the last 2 years). They even say what series it is and some some people are still like "where is that from??". Stop eating the books. Read them!

I guess by the same logic Secret Wars sucked cause we never saw an issue 13?!?

[Aron]

Sheesh folks

Don't hyperventillate. I can already tell you from what has been described, Elektra will have a serious problem doing much damage at all to Any of the "real" heavy weights.

Darkseid, Thanos, Super Skrull, Hulk, one on one would be able to take this new electra from the sounds of it.

Jackalope - from the sounds of it, it needs reprinting again as a GN sometime soon..

[Jackalope]

Go to your local comic book store and ask for a TPB of "Elektra: Assassin". If they don't have it they can order it for you. If they say they can't order it for you find a new comic store.

[Jackalope]

Better yet this is about as easy as it gets:

Elektra: Assassin Issues 1-8 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2159189474&category=32753)

OR

Elektra: Assassin TPB (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3501741937&category=377)

Or do your own searches and see what you come up with. Its not an expensive or (that) hard to find series. Personally I hated it but I know it existed and have the issues myself.

[The Burt]

I could care less if she were 1,000 points and could melt the opposing figures into plastic slag because she had a miniature easy bake oven inside.

The POINT here is not how many issues she had in Elektra the Undead Assassin or Elektra the Walking Dead Backstabber or whatever else ridiculous mini-series she was in (or movie). The POINT people is that I, personally, don't want to have to buy ANOTHER elektra sculpt just to round out a collection when there is a VAST Marvel Universe out there with other more brilliant characters (better than Elektra the reverse Grave Digger) who haven't even been tapped yet.

I could care less how well she performs on the tabletop. I like Super skrull better--nyah. So there.