Volstagg dial as replacement dial for???

[tom730]

So I think most of us agree that Volstagg's dial is incredible.
In fact many of us would argue it is just too incredible for the "comic opera" character that is Volstagg the Voluminous!
My question is this -

Is it also way too good for other characters who need a remake like, say, the Blob?
The long dial and the SP about no Knockback is perfect. But is 4 damage just way too much for Fred Dukes?

Are there other characters out there for whom we have dials that just aren't good enough?
How about re-basing 3 of the Wrecking Crew on the Warriors Three dials? It would definitely give them more synergy and make them much more playable!

Any other options?
I have an extra Volstagg with only one arm (it's OK, it's not his "eating arm!")
I know his dial will end up under another character.
I was initially thinking my custom Volstagg, which is a better sculpt by far, done several years ago by former HCRealmser "Dreadstar."
But now I'm haing second thoughts -

Any opinions to share?

[Crow]

He pretty much replaces any slow-moving brick in that point cost zone. Wrecker is a good call.

edit: nothing to see here, move along

[tom730]

OK, so if a Wrecker goes on the Volstagg dial, and maybe a Bulldozer goes on the Hogun dial, who goes on a Fandrall dial?
He has Outwit and Thunderball is WAY smarter than Piledriver -
So that leaves us with Piledriver to re-base, hopefully for 100 pts or less.

Maybe Vet Damage from ORIGIN? 85 pts, decent brick, better than the more expensive Piledriver dial (but that's not hard)
Or maybe the Vet Abominatio from Xplosion - 100 pts and even THAT dial is better than the Piledriver dial! and boy, does that say something!

[WelcomeToDIE]

I thought about Blob myself, the SPs are perfect. The 4 damage may seem high since it is on the level of Colossus and Thing (which Blob isn't quite), but he IS far stronger than a lot of 3 damage characters, so I wouldn't say 4 damage is an impossibility. Lampost Batman can do 6 damage in a turn on his own, with Outwit.

[lancelot]

Echoing the sentiment on Blob.

[flatmatt]

I was convinced in another thread that this is the best option for the JSA's Citizen Steel.

[gudda]

IF i was going to rebase the Warriors Three as the wreking crew ... i would want to use another Asgardian keyword dial... Idealy there is always Gharskygt but thats an LE .. You could just go with a plain old Asgardian Warrior and Feat the hell out of him ..

[simonexus]

4 damage on Blob is about right, since he'd duke it out with guys like Colossus, Strong Guy and Hulk and would usually give almost as good as he'd get (being a villain he'd always lose in the end though), but not as much 4's as Volstagg has. If the last two 4's were 3's - and the attack was a bit lower (I don't think Blob deserves so much 11 AV - in fact I don't think he deserves any) he'd be much more accurate.

[tom730]

4 damage on Blob is about right, since he'd duke it out with guys like Colossus, Strong Guy and Hulk and would usually give almost as good as he'd get (being a villain he'd always lose in the end though), but not as much 4's as Volstagg has. If the last two 4's were 3's - and the attack was a bit lower (I don't think Blob deserves so much 11 AV - in fact I don't think he deserves any) he'd be much more accurate.

I agree - but I actually think Blob deserves it at least as much as Volstagg, probably more!

[Havickzbeck]

Sadly any uber tough character like the Juggernaut would work with this dial.
I am a big fan of the warriors 3 and am immensely bummed that we got dials that are so over powered for them.

Thankfully the latest marvel appearances and one future appearance from the big VG in the next big Marvel event will justify Volstaags defensive powers somewhat.

But Hogun and Fandral are still over the top with no reason for it.

[The BoyBlunder]

I was convinced in another thread that this is the best option for the JSA's Citizen Steel.

And you're welcome.

[I Am The Game]

To be honest, Fandrall's dial would work nicely for Mr. Fixit. BCF in the middle? He stabbed Super Skrull with debris, and snapped Grey Gargoyle's arm. I think vicious behavior qualifies him for a chance at 6 damage.

Volstagg's numbers seem excessive for Blob, he needs special powers to do him properly. I was going to suggest Ironclad, but the dial's too long. I wouldn't even give this dial to Commander Steel. Citizen Steel is a civilian, and a new recruit, so nowhere near that good yet.

Solomon Grundy?

[beardedtoyman]

Sadly any uber tough character like the Juggernaut would work with this dial.
I am a big fan of the warriors 3 and am immensely bummed that we got dials that are so over powered for them.

Thankfully the latest marvel appearances and one future appearance from the big VG in the next big Marvel event will justify Volstaags defensive powers somewhat.

But Hogun and Fandral are still over the top with no reason for it.

Considering the several page preview for Siege shows Volstagg reflecting back an energy attack so powerful that it kills everyone in Soldier Filed, I think his defenses are warranted.

[Miraclo]

It really stood out for me, too, as a solid, high-end dial for Blob as we move towards a Brotherhood of Mutants team where each of the players is raised to a proper level, as we saw with Mastermind in Mutations and Monsters.

While I could see it as a possible one for Juggernaut, it doesn't really bring the right flavor with it for me; it lacks a relentlessness Juggernaut should have, including more Super Strength.

[I Am The Game]

Considering the several page preview for Siege shows Volstagg reflecting back an energy attack so powerful that it kills everyone in Soldier Filed, I think his defenses are warranted.

I'm looking at the page, and require some explanation.

Vector is attacking with X-Ray and Vapor. Vector doesn't fire energy, he can push or pull. X-Ray fires radiation, looks more like electricity. Vapor's too far away to affect the battle. They can't cause a flaming explosion like that. Who else is attacking him? What is Volstagg reflecting that attack with?

Wow. The grave's already been dug, but they keep shovelling... I do not consider that a viable account of Volstagg's power.

[Havickzbeck]

Considering the several page preview for Siege shows Volstagg reflecting back an energy attack so powerful that it kills everyone in Soldier Filed, I think his defenses are warranted.

Thats the single only time hes shown such durability and that the issue was produced a year after the set was.

And the damage he sustains is not more than the Juggernaut has taken in the past, or even a character like the Silver Surfer whos flown through stars!

For that matter Thor has sat in the middle of our sun!

NO matter which way you cut it Volstagg is over powered, but at least as you mention there is now some sort of reason for it.

It is an odd phenom when comics catch up with clix stats wise.
I think this is a 1st.

[beardedtoyman]

Thats the single only time hes shown such durability and that the issue was produced a year after the set was.

And the damage he sustains is not more than the Juggernaut has taken in the past, or even a character like the Silver Surfer whos flown through stars!

For that matter Thor has sat in the middle of our sun!

NO matter which way you cut it Volstagg is over powered, but at least as you mention there is now some sort of reason for it.

It is an odd phenom when comics catch up with clix stats wise.
I think this is a 1st.

I think part of the whole point is that all of the Asgardians operate on a different scale than the rest of the Marvel Universe - the whole arc running through the last year of Thor has had to do with the fact that they operate on power levels beyond the comprehension of mortals, due to the Odinforce. That's why what looks like normal combat between Asgardians and Fire Demons, for instance, would likely annihilate a mortal city due to the sheer amounts of power being expended. It could be seen as a retcon, or it could be viewed as a reasonable explanation for why the two worlds don't interact that frequently.

[beardedtoyman]

I'm looking at the page, and require some explanation.

Vector is attacking with X-Ray and Vapor. Vector doesn't fire energy, he can push or pull. X-Ray fires radiation, looks more like electricity. Vapor's too far away to affect the battle. They can't cause a flaming explosion like that. Who else is attacking him? What is Volstagg reflecting that attack with?

Wow. The grave's already been dug, but they keep shovelling... I do not consider that a viable account of Volstagg's power.

I wouldn't assume that the U-Foes are operating at normal levels themselves, since Osborn and the Hood have been souping up lots of villains' powers lately.

[I Am The Game]

I wouldn't assume that the U-Foes are operating at normal levels themselves, since Osborn and the Hood have been souping up lots of villains' powers lately.

Nope, not buying it. Force is force, radiation is radiation. Unfortunately, Marvel's creative staff remains consistently bad because they don't know or care about what came before them. Vector, right out of his first appearance, can defeat Volstagg on his own without nuking a football stadium... :rolleyes:

[Havickzbeck]

I think part of the whole point is that all of the Asgardians operate on a different scale than the rest of the Marvel Universe - '

they "operate on a different scale", yet a mortal "Bob" was able to slay an Asgardian with a sword?

Look I appreciate that you're trying to justify Volstaags stats I really do.
But I'm obsessive compulsive when it comes to comics and what the characters in them have been shown to do.
The Asgardians have simply not been shown to be anything more than they were in the past, Seige is just finally showing us why Volstaag is considered such a worthy warrior finally.

I'm happy that we're seeing Volstaag as immensely durable, and valiant, but I can't emphasis enough that none of these things we're seeing now were relevant or had happened when these figs were made.

And again, Volstaag hasn't been shown to be more durable than characters like say the Juggernaut, Silver Surfer, Thor, Hulk, or the Blob.

Those are characters that have been shown to be at the high end of durability in the Marvel U, although in the Blobs case hes only at the high end of physical durability with energy attacks being more effective on him.
Volstaags just about the most impervious fig in the game, and thats where the problem is IMO.

[tom730]

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they "operate on a different scale", yet a mortal "Bob" was able to slay an Asgardian with a sword?

Look I appreciate that you're trying to justify Volstaags stats I really do.
But I'm obsessive compulsive when it comes to comics and what the characters in them have been shown to do.
The Asgardians have simply not been shown to be anything more than they were in the past, Seige is just finally showing us why Volstaag is considered such a worthy warrior finally.

I'm happy that we're seeing Volstaag as immensely durable, and valiant, but I can't emphasis enough that none of these things we're seeing now were relevant or had happened when these figs were made.

And again, Volstaag hasn't been shown to be more durable than characters like say the Juggernaut, Silver Surfer, Thor, Hulk, or the Blob.

Those are characters that have been shown to be at the high end of durability in the Marvel U, although in the Blobs case hes only at the high end of physical durability with energy attacks being more effective on him.
Volstaags just about the most impervious fig in the game, and thats where the problem is IMO.


Thank you!
This is exactly the point of the thread!
I have loved Volstagg since he was first introduced -
I love the dial!
I just don't think they really belong together.

[Havickzbeck]

Thank you!
This is exactly the point of the thread!
I have loved Volstagg since he was first introduced -
I love the dial!
I just don't think they really belong together.

Glad to help!

[Maniac_nmt]

I'm looking at the page, and require some explanation.

Vector is attacking with X-Ray and Vapor. Vector doesn't fire energy, he can push or pull. X-Ray fires radiation, looks more like electricity. Vapor's too far away to affect the battle. They can't cause a flaming explosion like that. Who else is attacking him? What is Volstagg reflecting that attack with?

Wow. The grave's already been dug, but they keep shovelling... I do not consider that a viable account of Volstagg's power.

Volstagg has always been very durable. For recent stuff he waded through the beefed up Doom-bots while all the other Asgardians had to hunker down behind him.

He was also the only one of the Warrior's Three to survive Dissassembled.

Damage and defensively there is nothing overpowered about Volstagg. The only thing 'overpowered' is his attack value.

[Havickzbeck]

He was also the only one of the Warrior's Three to survive Dissassembled.

Damage and defensively there is nothing overpowered about Volstagg. The only thing 'overpowered' is his attack value.

Sigh.

I just read all of my volumes of Essential Thors, and the Simonson run on Thor.
There isn't a single example of him possessing any sort of degree of resistance more so than any other Asgardian.

In fact hes almost entirely comic relief, which is I think the only reason he survived Thor Dissasembled, but to be honest I didn't remember that detail.
I'd thought that at the end of Thor disassembled raganrok had destroyed Asgard and all in it with the hope of the cycle of death and rebirth altered by the odin force.


Again the idea that Volstaag is more durable than Thor is ludicrous, he has shown to be less durable than Thor in cases like when Mangog is running amok, and I seem to recall Kurse walking through him like he was nothing as well.

I'm quite surprised at the the number of people like you that think Volstaag somehow deserves to be more durable that characters like Thor the Destroyer, and Juggernaut, let alone Superman...

But I guess everybody has their delusions and bias....

[Maniac_nmt]

Superman who also packs impervious and many versions with better defenses. Such as oh, E2

Thanks for being a jack@@@. Fanboy my eye.

The only one you might be right on is Thor, but can you honestly say any Thor we've seen is a good representation of Thor to begin with?

[The Charlatan]

I think Volstagg's dial makes a good replacement for Abomination. Ultimate Abomination is a wretched joke, and the 616 one last showed up in Xplosion with a underpowered but decent for the points dial (by the standards of the game 6 or so years ago anyway). Either the original greenish Emil Blonksy or the current blueish Rick Jones versions of the character are suitable, Rick maybe more since he was able to shrug off punches from Red Hulk that were strong enough to cause massive earthquakes.

Oh, and for the record, I think that Volstagg's dial is way overpowered for the cost and comic inaccurate. I still want one badly though.

[Shellhead's Pal]

I love this thread. :)

Volstagg is ridiculously overpowered. But the sheer hilarity of destroying your opponent's team with Volstagg of all people makes up for it a little. Let's be honest; the dude, up until very recently, was basically the cowardly lion with an eating disorder.

The Blob would work pretty well for the dial, but yeah, 'tis still a tad too good for him, too. I do like the idea of using the Warriors Three as subs for the Wrecking Crew. Heck, you could just keep Bulldozer on his dial, using either the Experienced or Henry Camp version and some Feats. I think Unstoppable on the Wrecker (Volstagg) would be good. Fandral's Flurry could work with Thunderball when you consider him whipping his ball around really quickly (though it's a shame he doesn't have any range). Then, yeah, Piledriver can be Hogun. If anybody deserves Indomitable, it's Piledriver. Snicker.

Neat ideas!

[Havickzbeck]

Superman who also packs impervious and many versions with better defenses. Such as oh, E2

Thanks for being a jack@@@. Fanboy my eye.

The only one you might be right on is Thor, but can you honestly say any Thor we've seen is a good representation of Thor to begin with?

Fair enough that you feel wronged, but as I stated I'm actually going through all of my vast comics library to try and find examples of Volstaag showing his abilities and in volumes 1-4 of Essential Thor that covers up to Thor #195, Volstaag is entirely comedic.
I really need to point out that I never used the word "Fanboy".

Superman only has 1 version the E-2 version that comes close to Volstaag, the rest are all less durable, even Superman Prime.

And that is not just kinda sully thats downright ridiculous.

The current Thor would be perfect IMO if he had 2 clicks of IMP front loaded, or even one. Beta Ray bill has a click of IMP, making Thor less durable than Balder and Volstaag just crazy.

Balder is all about getting one punched by opponents in the Kirby/Lee Thors comics as they clearly had no idea that Balder in mythology was invulnerable to all but Mistletoe.

The bottom line is simply that the designs of the Asgardians in HOT are out of wack and didn't have much research if any at all applied to them.

I suspect that whomever designed the dials understood mythology and went with that and Wikipedia adding some basic game design fun to the mix.

As for the Blob he has been shown at very different power levels throughout the years, but when hes shown as powerful hes shown as tough enough to take on characters like Colossus, the Hulk, the Vision, and Iron Man.

I'd say that Volstaags Damage value and AV are a tad high, but that the Blobs got as much right to those stats as Volstaag>
Especially if you consider that the Blobs 1st handful of appearances he could take on the entire X-Men and the 1st 5 years of Volstaags appearances he ran away scared from almost every battle he got into.
Either that or Volstaag would find an excuse to go have a nap.
Seriously.