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Dr. Morbius
12/21/2009, 15:02
Hello fellow Clixers to the second installment of...

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featuring...
The West Coast Avengers (mid-80s)

Today I will show you two options for creating a very comic accurate
version of the West Coast Avengers as they appeared around 1985, both at 500 points.
To see who made it into the starting lineup with so many options at hand,
click on Full article and find out.

Dr. Morbius
12/21/2009, 15:03
Let's start with a team of West Coast Avengers that had to deal with Graviton and his allies Zzzax, Halflife and Quantum in West Coast Avengers, Vol.2 #12 and 13.
It consisted of Iron Man (then wearing the Silver Centurion Armor), Wonder Man, Tigra, Hawkeye and his beloved spouse Mockingbird.
The team quickly defeated Zzzax and battled Quantum and Halflife. The slugfest came to a sudden end at the interference of Graviton himself who intended to make Tigra his pet-wife...or pet-slave...or both!?!? It was her who eventually freed her friends so they could overcome their foe and save the day once again.

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The comic accurate version of that team could look something like this:

sv217 LE Iron Man
Team: Avengers
Range: 8 :bolt::bolt:
Points: 160
Keywords: Armor, Avengers
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ff012 V Hawkeye
Team: Avengers
Range: 10 :bolt::bolt::bolt:
Points: 84
Keywords: Avengers, Thunderbolts
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mm041 E Wonder Man
Team: Avengers
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 112
Keywords: Avengers, Force Works, West Coast Avengers
m-winga-fistd-normalg-starburst101016489163891538814277152771427813369133610124KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

ff032 E Tigra
Team: Avengers
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 46
Keywords: Animal, Detective, West Coast Avengers
m-boota-fistd-normalg-starburst1091628815288152771427714268131KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

sn017 E Mockingbird
Team: Avengers
Range: 2 :bolt:
Points: 27
Keywords: Avengers, West Coast Avengers
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429 points of Avenger sweetness that can be pumped up with a few nifty feats:

Trick Shot - 20 points - on Hawkeye
Homing Device - 8 points - on Wonder Man
Repulsor Shield - 25 points - on Iron Man
Protected - 8 points - on Iron Man
Armor Piercing - 10 points - on Hawkeye

As many other teams and super heroes the West Coast Avengers took part in the big crossover event The Evolutionary War.
In the brawl with the Evolutionary and his minions the team that consisted of leader Hawkeye, Wonder Man, the Scarlet Witch, The Vision and new member Mantis (with green skin at that time) got help from allies Black Panther and Dr. Foster aka Goliath.
The story can be found in The Westcoast Avengers Annual #3.

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The West Coast Avengers and their allies may look like this in a 500 points environment:

av056 U Hawkeye
Team: Avengers
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 56
Keywords: Avengers, Great Lakes Avengers, Thunderbolts, West Coast Avengers
m-boota-fistd-normalg-starburst891638915268152771527714166131KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO
:a-fist: Sharpshooter: Give Hawkeye a power action to make a ranged combat attack. Modify his attack value by +2 for the attack.
:d-normal: Smoke Arrow: Hawkeye can use Smoke Cloud.

sv063 V Vision
Team: Avengers
Range: 10 :bolt:
Points: 137
Keywords: Avengers, Robot, Young Avengers
m-winga-fistd-normalg-starburst9101721010172910162891538916289151781427813167121KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

mm041 E Wonder Man
Team: Avengers
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 112
Keywords: Avengers, Force Works, West Coast Avengers
m-winga-fistd-normalg-starburst101016489163891538814277152771427813369133610124KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

av057 R Scarlet Witch
Team: Avengers
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 35
Keywords: Avengers, Brotherhood of Mutants, Mutant, Mystical
m-winga-fistd-normalg-starburst7916278152681526715157141KOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKOKO

sv069 V Mantis
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 67
Keywords: Martial Artist
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av024 V Black Panther
Team: Spider-Man
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 92
Keywords: Avengers, Fantastic Four, Ruler
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si022 R Goliath
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 0 :bolt:
Points: 58
Keywords: Champions, Defenders, Scientist
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:g-giant: Throw: Goliath can choose to knock back the target of any successful close combat attack he makes a number of squares equal to twice the damage dealt to the target.

To get exactly 500 points the following feats can be added:

Shake Off - 10 points - on Goliath
Pounce - 15 points - on Black Panther
Protected - 8 points - on Vision

Now...what's your favorite West Coast Avengers lineup of the mid-80s and their comic accurate Heroclix presentation?
Post and let us know...and don't forget to come back in 2010.
For DC enthusiasts: Check in next Monday for COMIC ACCURATE - DC Edition by fellow writer lancelot!!!

In the meantime I wish you a merry Christmas and a happy new year!!!!

Repulsor rage
12/21/2009, 15:23
I love these kind of articles sweet deal

SLVRSR4
12/21/2009, 15:38
It's just too bad that according to the Keywords, Wizkids doesn't recognize these great teams as Thematic. However, you can play Hal Jordan, Winter Soldier, and some Thunderers of Qward together and it's 100% thematic.

SWTony
12/21/2009, 15:43
Dude, big rep for the team, huge loss of rep for not putting Stunning Blow on Iron Man. What were you thinking?

ThorKnigh83
12/21/2009, 15:52
excellent article. Though not my favorite group of Avengers I do like the lineup.

mr-coffin
12/21/2009, 15:56
I recommend the new Wonder Man instead of the old one, it costs a few more points and you've got too many points sunk into feats instead of figures. Perhaps instead of 500 points for the first team you can aim for 450? Our venue does those sometimes and it has the added benefit of making actions matter more since you only get 4 but have an extra 50 points of figures that need to use them.

eshuroger
12/21/2009, 16:28
I recommend the new Wonder Man instead of the old one, it costs a few more points and you've got too many points sunk into feats instead of figures. Perhaps instead of 500 points for the first team you can aim for 450? Our venue does those sometimes and it has the added benefit of making actions matter more since you only get 4 but have an extra 50 points of figures that need to use them.

I agree that some of the figures in the first lineup need to be pumped up a bit. If you're going for 500 points, you're already well over the 50 point feat limit.

flakbait
12/21/2009, 16:44
For that first team I might go for something like this:

Iron Man (Silver, natch) w/Stunning Blow, Protected
Hawkeye (FF Vet) w/Trick Shot
Wonder Man (AV) w/Protected
Mockingbird (V) w/Lunge
Tigra (V)

Leaves another 7 points for feats for a 499 point team with the Avengers theme. (Alias and Inside Info maybe?)

Tigra blocks for Hawkeye so he can shoot around her, IM does his thing, and pray that Wonder Man can get Mockingbird within lunge distance before he dies.

I expect it would get massacred, though.

Arsenalroy2k
12/21/2009, 16:50
I can't speak for the second lineup in the article, but the first is the OG lineup of the WCA. That group was around for more than just issues #12-13. Now I've played them on more than one occasion, and I've got a buddy who has played them even more than I have. They usually do pretty decent. And usually the best working core lineup tends to be the following:

NGN Iron Man (SN)
Wonder Man (Av)
V Hawkeye (FF)
V Mockingbird
V Tigra

Now that comes out to 449. Which is far preferable to ending up several points short at 429, and slightly more accurate in terms of looks with Wonder Man's sculpt. Now you can either load them up with 50 points of feats, using your full 10% or go a slightly different route and keep Tigra at her E level then throw on a E Moon Knight from Critical Mass. That'll put you at 468.

If you go with the original lineup at 449, the feats that tend to work best are Trick Shot on Hawkeye, Stunning Blow on Iron Man, Lunge on Mockingbird and Running Start on Tigra. That leaves 10 points. You can either put something on Wonder Man or better yet, put a Protected on someone worth it, like Iron Man or Hawkeye.

But if you go with the 468 point, six member group, this will be a lot easier for what you use for feats. Just slap T-Bolts on everyone and your team is now 498 points and you can adapt a little easier to whatever team your opponent plays.

Dikarika
12/21/2009, 18:11
I refuse to make a Avengers West Coast team without Arachne (Spider Woman).

I don't have a team example, but she is a requirement. ;)

Jeremster
12/21/2009, 18:19
I’m loving these theme team articles!
Thanks for another great team. Keep it up.
One tiny thing though, you really should keep the feat card use below 10%.

Shield001
12/21/2009, 18:26
Great article.

I think the point of this series is comic accuracy above all.
Meaning, its for a friendly game (yes they do exist), and not for a competitive tourney.

So who cares about 10% feats and all that as long as the team is Comic accurate (which is all the article is suggesting it will be.

That said NGN Irong Man REALLY likes stunning blow. I also second the recomendation of the newer Wonder Man, for the more conisistant mobility and extra Imperv click so you can push him ans still have it.

I think you should get rep for suggesting the older figures.

With those build restriction in mind (IE accuracy above all)

heres a Force Works team which should have the Force works Keyword but doesn't. The only Iron Man with Force Works is the horrid Xplosion V...


60 Arachne
+ Stunning Blow
117 Wonder Man
75 U.S. Agent
+ Contingency Plan
35 Scarlet Witch
200 Tony Stark
+ Repulsor Shield
+ Fortitude
499

Without Iron Man the team works in 300. I wanted to use FCBD Iron Man to make the team 400 but it didn't seem accurate. If you really want, you can use the Xplosion V with AP instead of the AW LE and it still fits in 500. I think all the feats can be justified on the team, C-plan would be on Tony if it could but I think its forgiveable.


If you ever want to team up I can do the competitive version of the Keyword you choose in the future on my article. So you would give some accurate teams while I show some competitive versions. PM me if your interested in that.

Bij-man
12/21/2009, 19:27
I was and still am a West Coast Avengers fan and enjoy reading the back issues.
I recently played a West Coast Avengers team in a 300 point tournament.
It was from issue #11 where Wonder Man and Tigra went to the movie set while Iron Man, Hawkeye and Mockingbird went to see Nick Fury at SHIELD and ended up fighting.

My team was
Iron Man 160
+ Stunning Blow 10
Hawkeye (FF E) 71
Mockingbird (Sin V) 34
+ Lunge 5
+ Thunderbolts 15 (to Ultimates)
Jarvis BST 5
300 point team

Now I was going for the best scuplt and the team was good fun to play.
The thing that disappointed me was that Iron Man (Silver Centurion) doesn't have the West Coast Avengers key word and it should as he was part of West Coast Avengers for a long time in the armour.

starr226
12/21/2009, 21:54
I hate to be a hater - but that Iron Man hardly represents the Iron Man that started off with WCA. That was Jim Rhodes in the suit and he wasn't outwitting anyone (Sorry, Rhodey). He was just armor suited bruiser.

Also, I refuse to recognize any WCA list that doesn't try to include Hank Pym LE, IMO, the best comic version of Hank Pym was the awesome pocket jumpsuited version in the WCA.

I'm also a little skeptical of a WCA team that's "comic accurate" and includes Mantis, Goliath and Black Panther at the same time.
Black Panther wasn't a West Coaster? He was hanging out with Pym for a bit, but that's it.

Still, I love these sort of things - sorry to hate.

Thunderclese
12/21/2009, 22:52
Yes, love these articles!

Vevilaughs
12/21/2009, 23:49
I have always run an inspired West Coast Avengers Team with Dr. Pym and his wife:

Disco Iron Man with Stunning Blow 170
V FF Hawkeye 84
V Mockingbird 34
V Tigra 54
R Scarlet Witch 35
U Wasp 44
U IC Ant-Man 40
with 35 points for Thunderbolts brings you to 496.

With two 19+ DVs on the team, you just use Defenders and share the defense.

I have also ran the team without Thunderbolts and used Contigency Plan on Wasp. The free move Avengers TA means you always have a token to place on the card.

Lofcutus
12/22/2009, 00:38
It's just too bad that according to the Keywords, Wizkids doesn't recognize these great teams as Thematic. However, you can play Hal Jordan, Winter Soldier, and some Thunderers of Qward together and it's 100% thematic.

Tht's why everything I run (almost everything before Jarimy calls me out on it) is UNRESTRICTED...you think it deserves the key word, just prove it to me or sell me on it and bam, theme!

Clclix
12/22/2009, 03:33
I refuse to make a Avengers West Coast team without Arachne (Spider Woman).

I don't have a team example, but she is a requirement. ;)

Absolutely!!!! I played a 600pt West Coast Avengers team recently and did ok with it..Arachne was a staple, shes a terrific clix!!

I also agree that NGN IM needed Stunning Blow, but otherwise great article!!

AngeHamm
12/22/2009, 09:26
Any old school WCA team should be required to play short of the build total to represent their lack of a sixth member. That was one of my favorite things about that book, the no-respect, not-quite-as-good-as-the-Avengers vibe. A great foreshadowing to Hawkeye's Thunderbolts team.

gorillaboss
12/22/2009, 13:20
I can't believe no one has suggested Thing and/or Moon Knight.

And, yeah, the Hank Pym LE--"Doctor Pym"--is a staple for my WCA teams.

Norym
12/23/2009, 09:34
SV205 Dr. Hank Pym - 59
SV062 Vision - 108
AV056 Hawkeye - 56
AV008 Wonder Man - 117
AW068 War Machine - 109
FF032 Tigra - 46

Total - 495

I have used this a couple time with some success.

Norym
12/23/2009, 09:44
aw077 Iron Man - 135
FF032 Tigra - 46
SN017 Mockingbird - 27
AV008 Wonder Man - 117
FF011 Hawkeye - 71
Total - 381

Works as the Original lineup from the Limited Series

Dr. Morbius
12/23/2009, 18:24
again...some very nice ideas friends :)

beakersloco
12/23/2009, 19:36
It's just too bad that according to the Keywords, Wizkids doesn't recognize these great teams as Thematic. However, you can play Hal Jordan, Winter Soldier, and some Thunderers of Qward together and it's 100% thematic.

So true but I thought that when they put out the keywords that they also stated that it would fall to the local judge and/or players to allow/disallow team keywords that they may have missed adding to figures. Meaning that you simply bring make your case to your local judge and he decides whether to allow or not allow a keyword team.

Arsenalroy2k
12/24/2009, 00:32
Thanks to the roster listings at White Rocket books (http://www.whiterocketbooks.com/avengers/corerost.html), I've managed to compile a more concise rundown of the lineups for the West Coast Avengers by issues. Now since they haven't made Living Lightning or the Great Lakes Avengers into Clix, I've eliminated those from the list (which is a shame, as the roster Living Lightning was a part of lasted for 13 issues, the second longest running roster of the team's history).

Now here's the longest running roster of the team, the one most likely used for team builds:
Hawkeye, Iron Man I, Mockingbird, Tigra, Wonder Man (AWC 1-8, 10-22, Annual 1)

The following roster lasted ten issues. It's pretty much the same as above, just with Hank Pym thrown in there:
Dr. Pym, Hawkeye, Iron Man I, Mockingbird, Tigra, Wonder Man (AWC 23-31, 38, Annual 2)

These rosters lasted six issues apiece:
Dr. Pym, Hawkeye, Iron Man I, Scarlet Witch, Tigra, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 69-74)
Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Woman II, USAgent, War Machine (AWC 97-101, Annual 8)

Rosters that lasted for four issues:
Dr. Pym, Hawkeye, Iron Man I, US Agent, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 59-62)
Dr. Pym, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Moon Knight, Tigra, Wasp (AWC 33-36)
Dr. Pym, Human Torch I, Scarlet Witch, US Agent, Vision, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 50-52, Annual 4)
Dr. Pym, Scarlet Witch, Tigra, US Agent, Vision, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 45, 47-49)
Hawkeye, Iron Man II, Mockingbird, Tigra, Wonder Man (WCA 1-4)
Hawkeye, Mantis, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Wonder Man (AWC 39-41, Annual 3)

Lineups that were around for three issues:
Dr. Pym, Hawkeye, Human Torch I, Iron Man I, US Agent, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 63-64, Annual 5)
Dr. Pym, Hawkeye, Iron Man I, Quicksilver, Tigra, US Agent, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 66-68)
Dr. Pym, Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Tigra, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 42-44)
Dr. Pym, Human Torch I, Iron Man I, Scarlet Witch, US Agent, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 53-55)
Goliath II, Mockingbird, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Woman II, USAgent, War Machine (AWC 94-96)
Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Woman II, USAgent, Wonder Man (AWC 89-91)

Here's the lineups that only lasted two issues:
Dr. Pym, Human Torch I, Iron Man I, US Agent, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 56-57)
Goliath II, Mockingbird, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Woman II, USAgent (AWC 92-93)

And this leaves the following lineups that were only for single issues:
Dr. Pym, Hawkeye, Iron Man I, Quicksilver, US Agent, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 65)
Dr. Pym, Hawkeye, Mockingbird, Tigra, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 32)
Dr. Pym, Human Torch I, Machine Man, Mockingbird, Quicksilver, Tigra, Wasp (AWC 83)
Dr. Pym, Iron Man I, US Agent, Wasp, Wonder Man (AWC 58)
Hawkeye, Iron Man I, Mockingbird, Thing, Tigra, Wonder Man (AWC 9)
Hawkeye, Mantis, Scarlet Witch, Vision, Wonder Man (AWC 37)
Hawkeye, Scarlet Witch, Spider-Woman II, USAgent, Wonder Man (AWC 88)
Scarlet Witch, Spider Woman II, USAgent, War Machine (AWC 102)

Norym
12/29/2009, 15:48
Thanks to the roster listings at White Rocket books (http://www.whiterocketbooks.com/avengers/corerost.html), I've managed to compile a more concise rundown of the lineups for the West Coast Avengers by issues. Now since they haven't made Living Lightning or the Great Lakes Avengers into Clix, I've eliminated those from the list (which is a shame, as the roster Living Lightning was a part of lasted for 13 issues, the second longest running roster of the team's history).




I have used Lightning Lad from the LoSH as a substitute dial for Living Lightning a couple times. Powers are similar enough, dial seems appropriate, and if he is only WildCarding the Avengers TA it works out pretty well. I may even have one painted up to look like Miguel.

Cyaegha
12/31/2009, 05:07
Great article for a grreat, somewhat forgotten (at least around here in my country, where it was published during a long time but failed to gain some fan recognition) team.

Now, as being a primary DC fan, I'm waiting for the next article with great anticipation. I wonder what team it'll be? JLA Detroit?

eshuroger
12/31/2009, 16:02
Great article for a grreat, somewhat forgotten (at least around here in my country, where it was published during a long time but failed to gain some fan recognition) team.

Now, as being a primary DC fan, I'm waiting for the next article with great anticipation. I wonder what team it'll be? JLA Detroit?

Without figures of Steel or Vibe? I don't quite see it.

bigbob2
01/01/2010, 15:14
What about the falcon