Daredevil and Elektra---Coming to Stores Near You! [Archive]

Rogueslaw

02/15/2003, 01:45

Just in case u all didn't notice this verison of Elektra comes from a mini series called elektra: Assassin. In this series she had a form of mind control over certain guy. So yes the mind control thing is kinda a strech but, hey it is only a game. She does look bad ### but, for that many points I doubt I will play he very often. I don't like the fact sh is taking a U slot tough, even though I understand why. As for the hornhead I'm going to use and abuse that bad boy. Oh and the movie was great I have see in twice already. Bulleyes was the man though. The movie was even better if u caught all the ref's to past and current DD writers and found frank miller in he movie.

TheYanger

02/15/2003, 03:18

that DD looks like garbage. The old one looked alot cooler. Even if this one sounds alot more useful.

Rogueslaw

02/15/2003, 03:42

I agree DD looks like #### but, hey if h works he works u know

Flash2772

02/15/2003, 09:34

I didn't know they were going to show two more figures today...THATS SWEET. I think they both look awsome. DD looks better than before, and so does Electra.

hievolutionary

02/15/2003, 11:08

this changes everything.how can elektra be on par with hero's or villians of cosmic origins.gimme a break,first three versions that stunk but were fairly accurate.at least they exhibited a human kindda weakness.now were stuck with infinty guantlet elektra.whadda bunch o' bs.:mad: but with that said she'll whup much @ss and for that i can't wait.sometimes the game and comics just don't vibe right but that doesn't mean it's a bad game.keep triing wizkids.but instead of beating a dead horse kick out the jams with some characters that actually need revamped such as juggernaught,magneto,thanos,firelord lol ect ect

Rogueslaw

02/15/2003, 13:15

I have t tell u Hiievo that this elektra is realy accurate for the Assassin mini series. Do remeber that elektra isn't just a human anymore. She died in the comics and then cme back thanks to the hand(by the way they need the hand figures). As for earlier verisons of her, the U is a great piece becauseit is cheap, has stealth, and blc. I use her all the time. The rmakes u are talking about are needed but, lets be truthful. The only way anyone will play these figs is if they are better and I for one don't want to see a better verison of firelord or thanos.

nuclearbash

02/15/2003, 13:41

Elektra looks great but i think dd shoould be better and who is his arch enemy

Fogs

02/15/2003, 14:09

I gotta side with hievo on this one. When I read that first sentence, I said - WHAAAAATTTT??

160 points puts her in like the top 5% of heroclix in terms of point cost. More than the Hulk, more than Spiderman, more than ALL THREE experience levels of DD combined.

I don't care if this is hand zombie Electra, there's no need for this.

Mind Control? I don't care if she hypnotized somebody onetime in some miniseries, or whatever it was she did - Mind Control? Pah...

I think this might be Wizkids overreaction/retaliation for all the flaming that CT Electra took. Ok, didn't like her because she's not useful - here she is then ELEKTRA GODDESS OF DEATH!!!!

I'll play her. She's obviously going to be one of the best "Power" clix in the game - especially with two arrows and mindcontrol, I hope they make a ruling on whether mindocntrol works with two targets or not, because right now I think its open to interpretation!

BAR NONE, this is the single worst aberration in terms of comic reality that Wizkids has put out yet. If they were going to throw open the doors to the bank for a single character and make them Uber God - I have a list of figs a mile long that I'd rather have seen it done for.

Ghost_Rider

02/15/2003, 14:10

It looks like his archenemies are the Hand Ninjas.
Ghost

Fogs

02/15/2003, 14:14

Since this thread is also for Daredevil, he's like night and day from what I was arguing about above:

A) He's reasonably priced
B) His abilities simulate the comic version
C) His point cost and powers put him right about where I'd expect to find him in the "Super-hero pecking order".

It also looks like we got the DD we've been asking for! My only real complaint about the prior incarnation of him was that he didn't have leap/climb, and now he does. If they give him just a 1 better starting AV (10) I'll be totally psyched. I can see myself putting him in a lot of builds.

CPUX

02/15/2003, 15:27

I really like the new DD. Despite the fact that it's an obvious movie tie-in, it accurately represents the guy. To answer the DD AE question, It looks like the IC DD/Bullseye base. Hey, they did it with Spidey.

And kiddingly perhaps a unique of Matt Murdock, Attorney at Law.

And of course, with new versions of Spidey & Wolvie in Xplosion, the only thing left needed to complete a marvel set was a new Elektra, on horse steroids and mind enhancers no doubt.

Wyldstaar

02/15/2003, 15:31

While I will happily admit that Electra looks cool and will be an excellent figure, I also just can't get over that price. She's more expensive that a R Superman, U Darkseid, U Vision, U Quasar, V Juggernaut, V Magneto, etc. She wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hades against any of these opponents. She's good, but not that good.

metzgarob

02/15/2003, 15:34

Originally posted by Wyldstaar
While I will happily admit that Electra looks cool and will be an excellent figure, I also just can't get over that price. She's more expensive that a R Superman, U Darkseid, U Vision, U Quasar, V Juggernaut, V Magneto, etc. She wouldn't stand a snowballs chance in hades against any of these opponents. She's good, but not that good.

dude u beat me to it i totally agree with you 160 POINTS!!! i mean come on... as the designer said he didnt want to spoil it too much so maybe we arent seeing an aspect of her but dude...

CPUX

02/15/2003, 15:35

Originally posted by Wyldstaar
She's more expensive that a R Superman, U Darkseid, U Vision, U Quasar, V Juggernaut, V Magneto, etc. True. There is something about Elektra costing more than freakin Darkseid that gets a bit...enerving.

Nickel97

02/15/2003, 16:13

A figure's point value does not acurately reflect a character's place in the almighty fanboy heirarchy of fictional quality.

They Gave Elektra a set of powers to reflect a Unique instance of her character. Then they plugged it into a spreadsheet and it spit out a number.

That's her point cost, it isn't her "Official Value and Ranking in the Marvel (tm) Hierarchy" Number.

Also, in game terms:vet. Kang costs more than any other figure except 2 supermans and vet. Doom. Is Kang a better figure in the game than, say, Firelord or Ultron (who cost approximately 90 and 50 points less)?

Point cost doesn't even necessarily equate to game power. It's an arbitrary formula that assigns value based on certain conditions. Veteran Batman and Veteran White Queen cost more than their Experienced versions, but no one on these boards would argue that they are better figures (though based on the Formula, they are).

I swear, they could take a character, specially tailor new powers and abilities to make it an exact, perfect translation of that character into the game, and I bet 80% of you would still whine "Waaaah, it's too balanced," or "Boo Hoo, there's nothing to complain about for this figure, wizkids stinks"

Also, please note that I have not read "Elektra:Assasin."

TheYanger

02/15/2003, 17:18

DD and Bullseye have brown AE bases in IC I believe.

Namor

02/15/2003, 17:53

They made Electra way too strong (the unique version in IC was the best representation of her and they should have left it at that). I dont think she should have mind control at all or perplex for that long (maybe 4 or 5 clicks tops). If they wanted to make a unique that had perplex all the way down the dial then they should've made Mephisto. I will be happy when I pull her though, im a fan of Electra. They did a great job on DD, cant wait to pull the veteran of him.

PantherPriest

02/15/2003, 18:58

Must we continue the mindless banter of how much this current elektra is good or not? This is a different elektra that sways from the norm that we expect and it is perfectly valid in comic book form, my statement about thing with his good friend mr. dumpster still stands.

We all must understand that this is not our game, we merely play it. We have no say it what is done in it's terms, our job is to buy the figures and be happy, right now john could make a version of yellow jacket with invulnerability on her first clik and outwit all the way down the dial, and we couldn't do a thing about it. (however there needs to be a black panther we those stats.)

And I believe that kang is a better figure than thanos and firelord, if played correctly. It's easy to play thanos or firelord correctly, kang is a challenge.

I also prefer the veteran form of batman and white queen over their experienced if I have the points. White queen does wonders for and xmen team if you know what your doing and batman has willpower the whole dial down

At least we can agree on daredevil, for he has leaped and climbed many a time

Nickel97

02/15/2003, 19:10

Originally posted by PantherPriest
I also prefer the veteran form of batman and white queen over their experienced if I have the points. White queen does wonders for and xmen team if you know what your doing and batman has willpower the whole dial down

I actually prefer them as well, but the experienced versions are more powerful.

Daredevil will be cool though. Leap climb is fun.

Thor665

02/15/2003, 20:19

Originally posted by PantherPriest
Must we continue the mindless banter of how much this current elektra is good or not?

our job is to buy the figures and be happy, right now john could make a version of yellow jacket with invulnerability on her first clik and outwit all the way down the dial, and we couldn't do a thing about it.

Greetings,

Since this is a thread to discuss opinions on the new clix, then yes, we *must* continue the banter because the entire point of this thread is to...(wait for it)...discuss our *opinions* of the new clixs.

Secondly, my job is not "to buy the figures and to be happy" (how would I be paid for this job and where can one apply?) This is a game that we all play. If people have a problem with the game (be it Firelord, a 160pt Elektra or the color of the dice, then that is their right. They can voice thier concerns (in a forum like this f'rinstance) and then Wizkids can decide how to react. People are simply stating their feelings, Wizkids may listen or not and these people may continue to buy the game or not dependant on said reaction.

Thus is capitalisim.

That said I personally am leery of a 160pt Elektra. Do I think it will break the game? No. Do I think all of the abilities they gave her are ungrounded? No (at least I hope not). Do I have an emotional problem as a comic geek (which is most of the reason why I like the game) that she costs more then Thor/Magneto/Superman? Yeah! I think it's a little odd. I'll still buy the game and I'll still enjoy it but personally I don't like the idea of an Elektra who costs more to field then a Superman. Maybe when I see the dial I'll go "oh, okay, this makes sense." But till then my radar is flashing (Danger Thor Robinson, Danger!!!) in part due to a seemingly odd point value and in part due to more Elektra figures (and SPiderman, and Wolverine. I mean, c'mon, where's Paste Pot Pete?) Finally, this is America man, if you don't think people have a right to voice their opinions about things (however much you may disagree and however much they are obviouslly wrong) then kindly go and read a history book or take some coffee before school.

Regards,
Thor.

Mournblade

02/15/2003, 20:56

A 160pt. U. Elektra. Mind-Control, two arrows.

WTF?

Let me say again, WTF?

Of ALL the figures that oculd have deserved Mind-Control and two arrows, Elektra gets it. Elektra. Because she, of all the characters released, deserves Mind-Control and two arrows.

And Stealth. And Perplex. And...

I dub Elektra, Goddess of Death and Annoyance, retarded.

This figure is retarded, signed, sealed, and delivered. I'm certain now that someone at Wizkids has a love for Elektra that borders on the obsessive now that we've seen here in every set. Is there any other character that has that distinction? Elektra of all people.

I would like this figure if it wasn't Elektra, a piddly human besting the likes of the HULK, Juggernaut, THOR!

Guh.

DoomX

02/15/2003, 21:12

boy i hope she has regeneration, because of the pose with the big silly gun AND the sword with a little mod you could turn her into a helleva Dead-Pool! why would Dead-Pool have super senses and mindcontrol though you ask? well ummm for the same freaken reason Elektra would, no good one i can think of. Eleketra is popular for two simple reasons, two rather large round simple reasons. bleh.

bwanabwana

02/15/2003, 22:50

I just read the description of the new Elektra for X-Plosion.
160 points.
Isn't that as high as some Supermen and Darkseids? Thanos?

Shouldn't Darkseid and Elektra be lovers?

Am I the only one who thinks a model like Elektra shouldn't cost that much?

shin-goji

02/15/2003, 22:52

Pretty much. Anyone who can mind control two people at once BETTER be expensive :)

XSuicidalX

02/15/2003, 23:16

won't be that good.

Consider she starts with stealth
Mind Control will be at the end of the dial, who will she hit double mind control with if she only has an AV of 7-8? And who would be left by that point in the game?

gelf13

02/15/2003, 23:24

if she still has perplex that might help, but i get your point. I suppose you could team her with some hydras to up her attack value as well. in any case I think you could do a fairly serious turn-around if you were losing at the end of a game by having two of you opponents turn on each other. I'll buy that for a dollar:)

shin-goji

02/15/2003, 23:27

Man, I have DREAMED of mind controlling multiple opponents. I'll be getting this figure and I don't even like Elektra.

Aron

02/15/2003, 23:35

Elektra - Overcosted and fragile. She'll be good but not the be all and end all of clix. Definite Fun potential though. - I expect she'll have leap climb after her mind control (say 2 clicks of stealth, then 2 of MC then LC..?

At least she might be interesting for 200 point games, where you have one "big baddy" and a few lesser cronies, while a larger hero team, or even just a lone DD or spiderman faces off with her...

That being said, I think its a sign we may get to see Revised versions of some of our favorite clix, with higher (or in some cases, lower) point costs. If not in XP, then eventually, in other sets.

200 + point Magneto
100 + point Xavier
75 + point Jean Grey

300 point thanos w/ Infinity gauntlet?

As for daredevil's AE, from what I know of Daredevil - I'd expect him to be AE of Typhoid Mary. Since he and she apparently got along for a while, it would make sense to have a different base for her... (so the old DD could hang with her) - assuming the base is diff.

What I'm hoping to find out is if DD has Spiderman Team on his vet version...

Doctor Strange

02/15/2003, 23:38

It might be as difficult to pull off as Human Torches Nova Blast, or Hobgoblins RCE

I'm not saying her attack value will be that low, but theres a chance she only has one click of MC.

I too have always looked forward to double mindcontroll :)

wow, that will be fun. Too bad you can't make the two mind controlled figures attack eachother!

Ghost_Rider

02/15/2003, 23:51

Not only that, her range is only six. She will still be a pain, no doubt, but not as bad as most people think.

Ghost

Veggiehater

02/16/2003, 00:02

Originally posted by XSuicidalX
won't be that good.

Consider she starts with stealth
Mind Control will be at the end of the dial, who will she hit double mind control with if she only has an AV of 7-8? And who would be left by that point in the game?

How do you know for sure? What if she's set up like Logan with only one click of stealth? She'd have a pretty high attack then.

Another thing is how can you tell her AV would be 8 or below? E Ultron bottoms out at 10 AV and he's 139 points. Without the extra 4 range, team ability and flying to bump up her cost Elektra may have equally disgusting stats since none of her known powers seem to cost that much over 8 clicks.

Though you most likely will end up being right about the figure, there is no point of jumping to conclusions before we actually see the figure's stats.

Just my opinion,
VH

XSuicidalX

02/16/2003, 00:04

true. I'd love if she had one stealth click

couchmachine

02/16/2003, 00:15

Well hate to break it to you all. But Mind Control require's a move action. So you can't make double Mind Control attacks because it's not a ranged combat action. Wish it could happen though!
-CouChO

HeroComplex

02/16/2003, 00:17

Not quite, couchmachine. The power is on the speed statistic, but requires either a close or ranged combat action to activate, depending on whether you are using it as a close or ranged attack.

KarateForever

02/16/2003, 00:20

Originally posted by couchmachine
Well hate to break it to you all. But Mind Control require's a move action. So you can't make double Mind Control attacks because it's not a ranged combat action. Wish it could happen though!
-CouChO

Actually, I hate to break your bubble but...

MIND CONTROL. This character may make a ranged combat attack to give an action to an opposing figure. (Optional) Give this character a close combat or ranged combat action.

Right from the PAC. Sure looks like a ranged action to me.:)

Namor

02/16/2003, 00:35

I just talked to my older brother (because he has the Electra- Assassin mini- series) and asked him if she deserved those powers and he said................ yes. I just read some of them and she kicks a$$, so I dont think they did that bad of a job on her (still a little pricey).

Zeorymer

02/16/2003, 04:24

I haven't read all about her but still can't see in wich comics she has mind control.
And worse, can't understand how she can have an attack value of 12 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That's simply completely crazy. The designers sure just love her but that's insane. The Thing, She Hulk, Super Skrull, Spiderman and many more have lower attack.
There's absolutely no reason for that. It's just a stupid imbalance figure to me.

What's more, why have they changed the arch-enemy color of Daredevil ? Do they plan to make a King'Duncan'Pin ? Or an even more deadlier Bullseyes with an attack of 13 ?

Why play super powered homo superior when humain can do the job :mad: :mad:

Really hate this. I already hated the marketing idea of having a new DD and a new Elektra. I just even hate it more now.

mrtomsmith

02/16/2003, 10:13

1. I like wacky designer experiments that are based on the comics.

2. How many times has a lone mostly human character taken on the entire Avengers or Justice League and come out successful? Pretty often, actually. A 160 pt Elektra is just the version of Elektra with the writer on her side. You could do the same with Batman, Captain America, Punisher, Ras al Ghul, Lex Luthor, Taskmaster, or any of a variety of other almost human characters. I could see a story where any of those characters could fight an entire superteam, including guys like Supes or Thor, and win - not direct "locked in a room together" combat, but that's not how it usually is in the comics, either.

3. Would this bother you?

Captain America
169 pts (Retardog)
10 rng, 3 arrows
Avengers team

11rs, 10ch, 10ch, 9fl, 9fl, 9lc, 8lc, 7lc, 6lc
13inc, 13, 12, 11, 11ee, 10ee, 10ee, 9ee
20wp, 19wp, 18inv, 18inv, 17inv, 16tg, 15tg, 14esd, 13esd
3ld, 3sup, 2ppx, 2ppx, 2ppx, 2ow, 2ow, 1cce, 1cce

And that's just a quick one.

PS: What was the name of that guy who took on the whole JLA early in Morrison's run? Beat Batman up?

Namor

02/16/2003, 15:47

I think it was Prometheus. The reason why she got a 12 attack is because she is the perfect assassin.

Mournblade

02/16/2003, 15:53

Except that when I think 'Assassin' I don't think 'Going to Make You Attack Your Friends'. Twice. Two arrows.

This Elektra isn't a perfect assassin, she's a perfect everything! She needs a 12 attack! Oh, and two arrows! Oh oh, and Mind Control because she kind'a sort'a hypnotized someone once on one panel in an obscure mini-series awhile back. Oh, she definitely needs Perplex! Not sure why, but she does! Hell, she'll even get 5 damage and Hypersonic Speed, too because she... uh... uh... is quick and deadly! Very assassin like!. :rolleyes:

LivingTribunal

02/16/2003, 20:25

why does she have mind control and 2 lighting bolts? Why doesnt Proff X have 2 then? This is ridicuous!!!The most powerfull mind controller in the marvel universe (IMO) and he doesnt even have 2 bolts! Another screw up by Wizkids oh well, but after all my complaining I still must have for my collection.

What does anyone else think of this?

CyberVenom

02/16/2003, 20:44

They probably will in a future set. Remember, Infinity Challenge was the very first set, so there's gonna be stuff that we are going to look at now and say, "how did they screw that up?". Give WizKids time to improve the entire product.

LivingTribunal

02/16/2003, 20:50

I understand that and believe me ill be first in line when they do, but when did elektra have MC?

CyberVenom

02/16/2003, 20:58

The new Elektra figure is based on the Elektra: Assassin storyline in the comics. She used a ninja mind trick on a couple of thugs, I believe.

dolemite199

02/16/2003, 20:59

MC with two arrows is absolutely insane. That is basically three actions for the price of one if the Uni. Elektra hits both targets. Not to mention the fact that a player can have two of his figures hosed by this. I hope they errata MC so that it can only affect one target, otherwise she is a broken figure. JMHO!

LivingTribunal

02/16/2003, 21:04

Three actions if the person u controll doesnt have MC imagine if you MC Prof X or White Queen. Now your talking 4 actions for 1 token. That is lunacey!

WarHULK

02/16/2003, 21:09

I had this really great string going for MC during one fight. I had my controller control the other guy's controller who ended up controlling prof. x who controlled another guy... I don't remember who the last person was but I remember the roll missed when I attacked one of his figures with it. That was a great game. This was during the early IC days. I'm tellin ya, memories... :D

CyberVenom

02/16/2003, 21:11

LOL!! Excellent!! Hilarious!! Man, I gotta try that sometime!

LivingTribunal

02/16/2003, 21:14

Wait untill Mar. 23 when Xplosion comes out and u get a U elektra your chances will increase two fold

thjimmy

02/16/2003, 21:15

I think it's great to se an MCer with 2 arrows. She has a huge price tag and short range.

It will take a lot of work to make this ability useful in a real game.

LivingTribunal

02/16/2003, 21:22

just telekinis a flier up then telekinis her up next to the flier then taxi her right on im and whamo 2 MC for the price of 1. mind you for the points she costs it will be a 500 pt plus game anyway.

WarHULK

02/16/2003, 21:27

Yea, it was awesome. I believe the Prof X was over 100 pts too so the other guy's Controller took a click for the MC. I pushed the Prof X so he took a click aswell. Best part was that I tried it again two turns later. I got the Controller again but he missed Prof. X. That's what I get for becoming greedy :D

PsychoDBoy

02/16/2003, 21:47

Keep in mind aside from her range, by the time she gets MC, it'll prolly be after all of her stealth clix, and when her attack value is low....like a last minute resort for her to pull. Plus since she won't have stealth then, its not like she can be sneaky about the mind controllin...by that point everyone will be gunnin for her with whatever shots they can pull off to take her out.

LivingTribunal

02/16/2003, 22:00

Still doesnt make sense. She isnt as powerfull as spiderman and look at how tough she is.

spiderboy

02/16/2003, 23:23

I was gonna post this on the forum but it looks like LivingTribunal beat me to it. Ok,so she used a ninja mind trick on a couple of thugs, but cmon! What is goin on here?! Well anyway,i doubt i'll be playin her with her point cost like that( i never play a game above 400 points). Even if i did, her fig is insane. 12 attack with BCF?! My gosh! If you roll the dice right over and over again, you can wipe the map clean! Firelord doesnt stand a chance! As nice and powerfull as she is, i cant stand to see a normal human being with the ability to kill so many super heroes. Its jus not right! And if she has mind controll because of the ninja mind trick, then the ninjas coming out in explosion should have mind controll as well! Can you imagine that?

Holothuria

02/16/2003, 23:48

Well, all things considered, yes, I can imagine that.

thank you and good night

PantherPriest

02/17/2003, 00:01

Ha Ha! (laughs a hearty royal laugh:cool: )

Thor, when I said must we continue this, It was in rhetoric implying that this is one of the conversations that will be going on for all of eternity.

Most of the characters in infinity challenge were created in the perspective of how they perform in other characters comic books. If they were written on how they would perform in their own books they would all-powerful as this elektra appears to be, because she was created from the prespective of her own book.

I am perfectly fine with an elektra as thus because she represents the character at the greatest point in her literature. Of course normal ninja's shouldn't have mc, they're just normal ninjas. When luke skywalker first started training he could not do jedi mind tricks, it took him two movies, a car wreck, and a dead mentor before he could "mc." Therefore no ninja will be able to do tricks just by slipping on black tights.

12 with blades/claws/fangs is not a new thing, let me remind you that unique wolverine has these traits. (another frank miller unique.)

And remember ladies and gentlearachnids, that I, the Black Panther, single handedly took down the entire fantastic four, as a "rookie" and though it would be a slight challenge, I'm sure I could do it again.

Zeorymer

02/17/2003, 02:45

Sure 12 BCF is not new. But it was Unique Wolverine. The character in the Marvel Universe who is considered as the ultimate warrior. He's not fighting little thugs.
The designers are remaking the Marvel Universe to their convenience and that's simply not acceptable.
I have the feeling that they completely disregard the work made by the previous design team on IC.
In that case it means a new completely updated IC set. Because I can't ever imagine Thanos being defeated by a mere little ninja :mad:

Aron

02/17/2003, 12:25

Number crunching....

As powerful as elektra could be, based on what we know of her stats.. to reitirate: she won't be capable of KO'ing Thanos on her own without a lot of luck.

Badges2

02/17/2003, 12:34

Two Words: NEW POWERS!!

Alright. Everyone knows that they are going to have a least one new power coming out with this expansion. At least one. She's probably chock full of new power goodyness. Why wouldn't they tell us more? The description was saying something about "You'll just have to wait to see what she has. I'm only going to tell you one clix that doesn't have enough abilities to warrant this huge cost." I don't know what powers she has, but she has to have some amazing super costing new powers to warrant that hug cost.

Kiften

02/17/2003, 12:36

What a load of ####....160 pts? Wtf? And I'm sorry, but yes that Cap America that somebody posted WOULD be ridiculous...
Do the designers even READ comics? I don't care WHAT part of Elektra's life she's in, she should NEVER be over 100 pts, hell I doubt even more than 75...
Sheesh.
This set better have some awesome clix to counter some of the retarded stuff I've seen in the last one *Thing and She Hulk doing 4 damage for so long, Thor having Running Shot instead of Charge (I'm sorry but when I picture Thor I don't picture someone flying around OUTSIDE the battle...)...* sheesh
biggs

LivingTribunal

02/17/2003, 12:38

The only new power she should have as an assassin in poision, not MC.

Optic_Blast

02/17/2003, 16:21

I'm not really familiar with the details of the Elektra: Assassin series so I can't say whether or not the powers are accurate. Although I've spoken to those who have the series and they think the powers she possess are.

I hear a lot of people complaining about how Elektra is more points than Magneto, Juggernaut, etc. and she couldn't beat them in a 1 on 1 fight. As we all know, having more points doesn't make you better in a one on one fight. Look at Dr. Doom...at 198 points he is screwed if he's all by his lonesome. He needs teammates to mastermind, perplex, etc. (Although I agree that we do need a new Magneto...but that's not Elektra's fault...we should have a Magneto well above 160.) The point cost is largely due to her versatility, as she can do many different things. It's not necessarily because she's a big bruiser who can go one on one with the plethora of characters that people are crying out that they cost less than Elektra.

In closing, I think Elektra sounds great...as I enjoy building teams around a high point cost center piece...(as in my V. Dr. Doom reference.) The sculpt looks pretty #### cool too, and I can't wait to get her. (If I can...I bought 36 boosters of Clobberin' Time w/o a single unique! I better get a bunch in this set too trade!)

p.s. Daredevil looks accurate too!

Earnan

02/17/2003, 16:44

I don't think that she's gonna have any new powers, assuming that in fact they do add new ones. OK, so they're gonna be adding Shapeshifting, thanks to Mystique, and FOrce Blast, for Storm. But other than that....

*removes foot from mouth*

They list a number of powers, including 2 she has down the dial. SS and Perplex all the way down. They mention 5 clicks of BCF, and also Stealth and MC. Now, I think that pretty much lights up the dial.

Also, I bet that the MC is gonna be at the end of the dial. THis is important to note to everyone that is spouting gloom and Doom. ;) I figure she'll have about a 7 attack when she gets it, meaning she needs an 8 to hit the average Marvel defense of 15. Not great odds...

That calculation was done based on the 8 clicks of life it stated she has, with 5 of BCF. 12 attack starting, then I'm guessing she loses one every click. I'm also guessing she'll keep Stealth as long as she has BCF, meaning she'll have 3 clicks of MS, at the bottom of her dial.

Just some thinking of done about the character, since I'm getting tired of the complaing :)

WarlordEarnan
and yes, I realize the Perplex could make her attack 8 w/ MC, but she's paying an arm and a leg for 8 clicks of Perplex.

Rogueslaw

02/17/2003, 19:46

People u can complain all u want but, until u read the elektra: assassin mini series u don't know what u are talking about. Do rember this is comics and this elektra could kick major but. It is just like if they made a Punisher based on the Punisher kills the marvel universe. He would have to be 200+ points because he was able to kill everyone. Now I'm not saying that is far but, if they made a fig like that it woul be true t that comic. It is no like the are billing this elekta as the norm. Thy hae come out saying this is the Elektr: assassin verison of elektra. It is very accurate.

Doomtoy

02/17/2003, 19:51

....so, did someone at WizKids, like, sell his soul for commercial success, and the only way to get out of it was to include an Elektra in every single Marvel set?

I'm not complaining. The new Elektra sounds fun and nasty. Looking forward to getting one...

...but of everyone I could see who would wind up in EVERY SINGLE MARVEL SET, I wooda bet on Spidey, the Hulk, and Wolverine. I was almost right.

Why Elektra, I wonder?

dmac7979

02/17/2003, 19:51

It is just like if they made a Punisher based on the Punisher kills the marvel universe. He would have to be 200+ points because he was able to kill everyone.

What if they made a Punisher from Punisher vs. Archie? Now that would rock.

four_winds

02/17/2003, 19:55

Rogueslaw

02/18/2003, 01:34

I have no clue why they put elektra in every set but, would imagine that they put her in CT just like they did nightcrawler, logan, toad and the blob. They figured their wouldn't be enough room in the next set(xplosion) to fit in all the movie tie in's. They may have decied to make her a U because they had a extra slot and it didn't hurt with the movie tie in. Because do remeber wizkids has alread got their hooks in us they want new blood and the movies will attract new blood.

Rogueslaw

02/18/2003, 01:54

I forgot to point out one other thing, in a JLA storyline writen by mark waid I believe, Batman was revieled to have files that showed how he could take down every memeber of JLA at the time and yes that included Superman. The only reason I remeber this is because right before JLA waid wrote x-men and he came up with the xavier files(same thing as above) but, marvel wouldn't let him turn the files against the x-men.

Zeorymer

02/18/2003, 02:04

Supe himself gave Batman a Kryptonite ring to take him down if he ever turns wrong. So sure, Batman could kill Superman.

Rogueslaw

02/18/2003, 02:11

actully if I recall correctly it had to do with the red sun because, without the normal yellow un he is just like a normal human. That is why no one on krypton had his caliber of powers

CKent

02/18/2003, 07:39

Well I havent read Elecktra Assassin... so I dont know how powerful she is there... but to make a 160 pt Elecktra is just WRONG... I dont care if she had the Beyonder's power in that series...

WHY ARE THERE SO MANY ELEKTRA FIGURES????!!! What are they going to make next a unique baby ELECKTRA NACHOS????

I would much rather have a 500 pt pre crisis Superman... u know the one that let the HULK slam away at him in all those stuppid 70's crossovers... or a 1000 pt Doom with Beyonder's powers...

WHY THE HELL ARE THERE SO MANY ELEKTRAS???????

Zeorymer

02/18/2003, 07:55

Originally posted by CKent
WHY THE HELL ARE THERE SO MANY ELEKTRAS??????? [/B]
'cause Jon must really love her :mad:
Can barely keep from smiling when I hear him talking about her as a very popular figure in the Marvel Universe.

Have we ever seen her in one of the big crossover involving all the big guns ?

Heroclix needs strong female figure ? Ok let's talk about Phoenix, Storm, Miss Marvel, Warbird, ... there are so many big famous female figures. Couldn't they just pick in one of those instead of playing the cheesy commercial way ?

Who's next ? A black Kingpin ? After all, on the preview, Daredevil has a new red arch enemy dial. Wich means a new arch enemy.

xxgoonboyxx

02/18/2003, 13:51

I am so beyond sick of electra figs..... SHE IS NOT IMPORTANT TO THE MARVEL UNIVERSE..... Where is my Punisher Figure? will they ever make a "Punisher Kills the marvel universe" figure.... no they won't so why so many electra figures?

give me a break. :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

daedalus25

02/18/2003, 13:57

I'll have to read the Elektra: Assassin mini to understand why her powers are on a cosmic scale, but as for the Daredevil AE base... I hope it's just the lighting in the photos or that it's just a generic AE base for promo pics, but does it look to anyone else as if Spider-man and Daredevil have the same color AE base?

???

Rogueslaw

02/18/2003, 14:26

They are making a storm figure in the new set. As for why elektra over the others well lets see. Miss Marvel, Binary, and Warbird are all Carol danvers, so to do her u have to make 3 U. Becaue there is no way to do a R/E/V verison of one of her personas sice she doesn't keep them long enough. Phoenix now comes into 2 problems. A) Which Phoeonix? Rachel Summers or the killer of worlds phoniex or Jean Grey I barely got a grip on this phoenix powers. B) All three verisons of Pheonix are a one woman army. Yeah I like Elektra but, even I admit she is being over killed but, then I think spidey, hulk, and wolvie are too. But, the thing is all are popular heros in the marvel universe and yes even elektra is. Oh and she isn't in the big Marvel crossovers because A) she has never belonged to a team, B) she is a loner and C) She is a anti-hero like Punisher nd Venom.

Doraz

02/19/2003, 22:23

I am a bit annoyed with this new mega electra... In my opinion every new set that heroclix puts out, make the previous one harder to play with. I really love this game, but I have a hard time imagining Electra even having a change to take out Thor... but man she does now... Does this mean we should expect a new mega Thor to offset the mega electra, and then a mega mega electra and thus a mega mega thor.... and so on and so on until my entire 401k is spent on this addicting compulision that I just can't shake...

SHERFMAN

02/19/2003, 22:41

HEY I THINK THEY NEED A 250 POINT BULLSEYE TO KILL THIS ELEKTRA.

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY SHE GETS MIND CONTROL, ANY BOOKS LIKE THAT. OH AND HOW DO YOU GUYS LIKE THE WAY SHE CAN MIND CONTROL TWICE IN ONE ROUND WITH TWO RANGED ATTACKS.

Dexceus

02/19/2003, 22:42

Just because she is 160 points, does not mean she will have a chance to take on Thor. All it means is that she has a lot of powers to boost up the cost.

From the description, she will come nowhere near close to being able to take on Thor, one on one. Though she will probably be somewhat on the nasty side.

No way to really tell though till we can actually see her entire dial. Hell, even then, we won't be able to truly tell until we push her around a map a little bit.

Dexceus

02/19/2003, 22:45

Originally posted by SHERFMAN
HEY I THINK THEY NEED A 250 POINT BULLSEYE TO KILL THIS ELEKTRA.

DOES ANYONE KNOW WHY SHE GETS MIND CONTROL, ANY BOOKS LIKE THAT. OH AND HOW DO YOU GUYS LIKE THE WAY SHE CAN MIND CONTROL TWICE IN ONE ROUND WITH TWO RANGED ATTACKS.

I haven't read the series myself, but this is supposed to be the Elektra from the Elektra: Assasin limited series. In that series, she had all kinds of ninja mojo kicking and did all sorts of things.

And this would also be post-bullseye killing her and her being brought back from the dead.

skeevo666

02/19/2003, 22:53

but if Elektra MC's 2 diff'rent targets would you add together their point values to see how much damage she takes:confused:

if so then keep yr 49 pointers & under out of sight

AdamWarlock

02/19/2003, 22:56

Elektra does have mind whoziwhatsit powers in the assassin series. In there, she:
*Turned invisible by tricking the minds of those around her into not percieving her
*Selectively erased peoples' memories of her presense
*Switched the minds of two people into each other's bodies PERMANENTLY
*Invaded the dreams of others... though this just could have been from her being totally hot and dressing very skimpy

She deserves each of these powers, but still; at 160 points it is a BIT much. She should not have 9/10 clicks deep in the dial, and if she doesn't, 160 points is WAY too hard to justify. She has some nifty secrets on hand but should not rank in costing more than cosmic players such as Darkseid, Quasar, Annihilus...

SHERFMAN

02/19/2003, 23:11

WELL I GUESS IF SHE DID THAT STUFF THAT WARLOCK SAID THE MC IS CHUMP CHANGE.

Ramplate

02/19/2003, 23:17

Assassins play a lot of head games with their targets - this is a good representation of the character from the Elektra Assassin series.

Zeorymer

02/20/2003, 04:51

Originally posted by AdamWarlock
Elektra does have mind whoziwhatsit powers in the assassin series. In there, she:
*Turned invisible by tricking the minds of those around her into not percieving her
*Selectively erased peoples' memories of her presense
*Switched the minds of two people into each other's bodies PERMANENTLY
*Invaded the dreams of others... though this just could have been from her being totally hot and dressing very skimpy

She deserves each of these powers, but still; at 160 points it is a BIT much. She should not have 9/10 clicks deep in the dial, and if she doesn't, 160 points is WAY too hard to justify. She has some nifty secrets on hand but should not rank in costing more than cosmic players such as Darkseid, Quasar, Annihilus...

Following that kind of logic I just pray really hard for them not to have read Cable during OZT because he just selectively erased memory of hundred of Bastion's soldier equiped with anti-psy battle armor. Can't imagine how much arrow and AV they could give him for that kind of askani mojo :p

Anyway we all agree I think that she sure DO NOT deserve 160 points.

the itsy bit

02/20/2003, 05:58

Originally posted by Zeorymer

Anyway we all agree I think that she sure DO NOT deserve 160 points.

She does deserve 160 points !!
If she would have been like 100 points cheaper she would have been overpowered borken, category FLAME LORD !:rolleyes:

Making a fig cost more points then Thor does not make that fig uberpowerfull !!
It makes this new Elektra go in thesame category as Kang.
You will all see that she is NOT suitable for tournament play
then the whining stops and we can go on to the really interresting figs.
I for one will not loose a nights sleep over this Elektra !:D

Kiften

02/20/2003, 14:51

I still think it's carp :)
biggs

Jadehorde

02/20/2003, 16:20

Originally posted by Optic_Blast
I'm not really familiar with the details of the Elektra: Assassin series so I can't say whether or not the powers are accurate. Although I've spoken to those who have the series and they think the powers she possess are.

I hear a lot of people complaining about how Elektra is more points than Magneto, Juggernaut, etc. and she couldn't beat them in a 1 on 1 fight. As we all know, having more points doesn't make you better in a one on one fight. Look at Dr. Doom...at 198 points he is screwed if he's all by his lonesome. He needs teammates to mastermind, perplex, etc. (Although I agree that we do need a new Magneto...but that's not Elektra's fault...we should have a Magneto well above 160.) The point cost is largely due to her versatility, as she can do many different things. It's not necessarily because she's a big bruiser who can go one on one with the plethora of characters that people are crying out that they cost less than Elektra.

In closing, I think Elektra sounds great...as I enjoy building teams around a high point cost center piece...(as in my V. Dr. Doom reference.) The sculpt looks pretty #### cool too, and I can't wait to get her. (If I can...I bought 36 boosters of Clobberin' Time w/o a single unique! I better get a bunch in this set too trade!)

p.s. Daredevil looks accurate too!

But looking at it another way..another fairly versatile character, Batman, close and long ranged damage, outwit, stealth...it would take two of him to match up favorably to Elektra, pointwise...I find that to be onerous as I find Batman to be overpowered as is...

Bad6423

02/25/2003, 23:38

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DarkCrisis

03/04/2003, 14:13

You guys all complain about Elektra yet have not read the book(s) She is probably THE best martial artist/assassin in the marvel universe.

You wonder why she is more points than magneto? Cause she could sneak up on him and stab him through the heart. She is THAT bad ###.

Elektra: Assassin is #### near superhuman. Read the TPB. Why does she get perplex? Cuase she can figures people out. Mind contorl? Cause she messes with your head. Don't think of it as telepathy (though in form it is) its her being 5 steps ahead of you. Your playoong her game on her board. 2 arrows? Cause she carrries 2 sais and is deadly accurate with them.

Elektra deserves 160 points. She is DEADLY. She knows ever ninja trick.magic and then some. Plus she has certian mentla powers (in Elektra :Assassin due to a drug in her system given to her by the Hand)

Get this straight once and for all.

Elektra: Assassin is not just some human female she is superhuman. She has superpowers. She has super skillz. She catches a bullet? That sound like something a normal person can do?

Imagine her as a charater from Crouching Tiger Hidin Dragon. (though not as kooky)

Spinebreaker

03/06/2003, 21:08

It may well be the PERFECT Elektra from THAT storyline.

In an early Hulk issue he can fly.

Boomerang and Controller are both capable of flying courtesy of Jet-Boots.

Sabretooth was once beaten half to death by black cat.

Vulture nearly killed Spidey many times

I have a Hulk Annual where he can be seen using Outwit, Willpower and even phasing.

Now while a Hulk with Outwit and Phasing and a Blob who can take on the original X-Men with ease are good representations of a SINGLE story, they are NOT a good representation of that character as a piece in the Marvel Universe.

You CAN justify this 'uber-elektra' but you can also justify a 130 point VUlture who can K-O spiderman...

archangel80

03/14/2003, 22:06

Here, here, Spinebreaker. Excellent post. While you're at it tell them Elektra got "killed" by Bullseye. Bullseye went hand to hand with this harlot and whupped her good. Going so far as to impale her on HER OWN SAI...In front of Daredevil. Not just in the poor excuse for a movie but in the Daredevil comic. But does Bullseye see any kind of close combat love in game? Blades/Claws/ Fangs? Hell no, just range for days.

I guess what I'm saying is when Elektra: the Assassin gets fielded against my Bullseye, I'm just gonna run and hide from that hopped up #####.