Clix vs. Comix 2 (121-135) R4: Pluto vs. Loki

[Magnito]

I was playing Heroclix the one day and I looked at my selection and realized that U HT Batman and R IC Hulk both cost the same amount of points. This got me thinking. Just because they are Heroclix equals doesn’t translate back translate back to comics. I think most of us would agree that Hulk could beat Batman in a fight.

That is the idea for this tournament. Every entry will be close to the same amount of points Heroclix wise, but this will be their comic forms fighting!

Rules:
This will be a standard single elimination tournament with 32 combatants. There will be 2 to a fight. They get no knowledge of each other (unless they have fought in the past). The only thing they get%2

[Magnito]

ha026 U Pluto (http://www.hcrealms.com/units/ha026.jpg)
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 125
Keywords: Deity, Ruler
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(Speed) Soul Syphon: When a friendly charcter with 30 or higher point value is KO'd, Pluto may move to the square they occupied after any current actions are resolved. If Pluto does, he can use Regeneration as a free action.

ha035 R Loki (http://www.hcrealms.com/units/ha035.jpg)
Team: No Affiliation
Range: 8 :bolt:
Points: 122
Keywords: Asgardian, Deity, Mystical
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[Maniac_nmt]

I'll vote for Loki. Pluto hasn't been doing much for a long while (by his own admission during Hercules' most recent mini series). He's also not as good a sorcer as Loki (who is good enough that he fared better against Surtur then even Odin during Ragnarok and Roll, and turned Bor into snow, only to summon him back later and then throw him against an Odin Force Thor, Bor's power and sorcerous defenses were enough that Thor couldn't stop him without resorting to lethal force, blowing up a sizable chunk of the city in the battle, and Bor was actually more then holding his own against Thor, he was actually winning most of the fight).

Lastly, Loki is in Sif's body, meaning he's more physically capable then he ever was before. Certainly up for a god that doesn't fight much, prefering to stay in Tartarus.

[Q99]

Hm, Lady Sif's body, sure, but his own fighting skills. I agree that he's the better mage...

This is a pretty good matchup, I'm going to think about it.

[Maniac_nmt]

Hm, Lady Sif's body, sure, but his own fighting skills. I agree that he's the better mage...

This is a pretty good matchup, I'm going to think about it.

Loki is at least as skilled as Pluto. All Asgardian kids through teens go through combat training with all forms of weapons.

Plus he is actually a frost giant's son, and during those days he would have grown up using weapons (he actually attacked Odin with his father's sword after an elder Loki traveled back in time and told him to).

No he won't be as good as Sif (who would definitely outclass Pluto in skill and reaction time), but for strength and physical quickness he's going to be helped out.

[DTM]

Pluto to win MUCH more than not.

Pluto is an Elder God, brother to Zeus, and ruler of one of the realms of Olympus. Loki is the stepson to Odin and is basically known as a trickster God.

Pluto is Loki's equal in magic (if not his superior), and very much superior physically (basically on par with Thor).

Pluto is more more durable than Loki (having magical armor on the level of Adamantium), and to top it off has a helmet that makes him Completely Undetectable, even to other gods.

Loki will put up a good fight, but hell lose to Pluto much more than not, in my book. Much. If Pluto didnt know of Loki, maybe the trickster aspect would be of more help, but he Does know Loki, and hell know what to expect from such a foe.

[DTM]

Lastly, Loki is in Sif's body, meaning he's more physically capable then he ever was before. Certainly up for a god that doesn't fight much, prefering to stay in Tartarus.

Actually the thing that makes Sif such a great fighter is her fighting skills, not her Super Strong physique. If anything, her physique and Loki's are pretty much the same (one a very fit female, the other a well trained male). Its her skills and learned combat abilities that make Sif the warrior she is, something Loki having her body wont capatlize on here.

[DTM]

Pluto controls vast magical powers, equaled only by Neptune, and second only to Zeus amongst Olympians, and has faced the Sorcerer Supreme, Doctor Strange, in direct combat. Pluto can generate powerful energy blasts; temporarily increase his physical attributes; bestow superhuman powers upon other beings or objects; create highly durable force fields; create weapons of mystical flame, whose touch can paralyze an opponent; and is capale of interdimensional teleportation.

As a Death God, Pluto has a pact with Death that allows him to claim the souls of any worshipper of the Greek Gods, and order those under his command. He is capable of draining the energy and life-force from those that he touches, even other gods. The various Death Gods can either act as allies or competitors depending on the situation.

Although he typically prefers to use minions, Pluto is a formidable hand to hand combatant, skilled in the use of battleaxes and swords made of the enchanted, virtually indestructible, "adamantine" (from which the fictional metal, adamantium, was named), and can use them to channel his powers. He wears Olympian battle armor made of the same material.

Pluto possesses a helmet that renders him invisible and undetectable, even to fellow gods.......



EDIT - and for the record here, I feel whichever of these guys moves onto the Final Match will lose to the Thunderbolt. :)

[Magoogles]

Don't know a whole lot about Norse mythology or comics but I have always held Greek Gods to be stronger over all. Pluto also has better armor going into the fight and is physically superior. Magic wise they are probably similar with either one having a slight edge. In either case I am going to take Pluto for the eventual win.

[Magnito]

EDIT - and for the record here, I feel whichever of these guys moves onto the Final Match will lose to the Thunderbolt. :)
Funny that Jakeem is doing so well when Johnny Thunder (with the same Thunderbolt) lost round 1 in his TOC to Emma Frost.

[DTM]

Well Emma being a world class mentalist could KO him (not the genie) in record time, same as Zoom KOing Red Skull here, anyone other than Zoom and Id probably have voted for Skull to take them down.

[Q99]

Don't know a whole lot about Norse mythology or comics but I have always held Greek Gods to be stronger over all.

In Marvel, it's almost the opposite normally- compare Ares to Thor, Thor's definitely a lot stronger with a lot wider range of powers and they're both gods of war in their pantheon. The main exceptions being, well, the top gods in Greek, including Pluto.

I think I will vote Pluto based on raw power/toughness. Loki's the more skilled magician, but Pluto has more punch and more defense on the whole.


Loki is at least as skilled as Pluto. All Asgardian kids through teens go through combat training with all forms of weapons.

But while he's trained in a fight, Pluto's actually a notable warrior among the gods.

[Maniac_nmt]

Pluto controls vast magical powers, equaled only by Neptune, and second only to Zeus amongst Olympians, and has faced the Sorcerer Supreme, Doctor Strange, in direct combat. Pluto can generate powerful energy blasts; temporarily increase his physical attributes; bestow superhuman powers upon other beings or objects; create highly durable force fields; create weapons of mystical flame, whose touch can paralyze an opponent; and is capale of interdimensional teleportation. :)


As I said elsewhere, all of that is well within Loki's range of scale. The Norse gods of Marvel, are in general, stronger then their Olympian counterparts. Odin is more powerful then Zeus, and Thor is more powerful then Hercules (as he commands a much wider bevy of powers).

Loki is second only to Odin in the Asgardian pantheon, and even then there have been times when he has successfully defeated Odin and stolen the throne (such as the Loki mini series).

He also defeated Bor, who is roughly as powerful as Odin (as Odin got most of the Odin Force from Bor).

Interdimmensional teleportation - check
Super duper blasts - check
power lending and creartion - check (see the Wrecking Crew and Absorbing Man)
forcefields - check
alter his physical body and attributes - check
self regeneration - check
create and animate objects - check
render himself invisible, even to other gods - check
teleport interdimmensionally - check
alter the physical structure of his foes - check
travel through time - check
create illusions - check (signifigant enough that he could fool Surtur on the flame Surtur invented and was bonded to)

[Gargantua]

After reading the arguments, I'm voting Pluto. As one of the triumvirate of the top Olympian gods, he'll got more sheer power than Loki, plus some nefty magical extras. Loki might pull off a win once in a while, but I think Pluto should beat him far more often than not.

[DTM]

As I said elsewhere, all of that is well within Loki's range of scale. The Norse gods of Marvel, are in general, stronger then their Olympian counterparts. Odin is more powerful then Zeus, and Thor is more powerful then Hercules (as he commands a much wider bevy of powers).

I wouldnt necessarily say the Asgardians are more powerful than the Olympians really (if anything, Marvel has stated that the Olympians are truly immortal, and the Asgardians are not). Odin and Zeus are pretty much equals in my mind, weve just see Odin do more throughout the years as he is linked to Thor, who has his own book and is much more in the public eye (our real world) than Hercules is.

Also, Thor isnt more powerful than Hercules, they are a practical physical match, its just that Thor has the better, more varied weapon, by far. Im actually not even sure which side would win Gods vs Gods, as for every Thor, Loki, Sif, Heimdall, Blader or Warriors Three theres a Hercules, Ares, Pluto, Hera, Athena or Neptune.

Asgardians more powerful than the Olympians, eh I dont know about that (and if so, by a minor margain).

Regarding this battle, Ill go so far as to say Pluto and Loki are equal in magics, that still leaves the much more physically powerful Pluto over Loki, not to mention Pluto is able to drain the life from other gods and has a helmet making him undetectable to other gods.

[Maniac_nmt]

not to mention Pluto is able to drain the life from other gods and has a helmet making him undetectable to other gods.


Which Loki's own Daughter can do (and even she looks up to Loki).

[DTM]

Id hardly call Hela simply Loki's daughter, nor would I say that because she is he offspring that she isnt his superior in power.

[Maniac_nmt]

Id hardly call Hela simply Loki's daughter, nor would I say that because she is he offspring that she isnt his superior in power.

Except that Hela acknowlodges that Loki is her superior in power.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Funny. Doesn't look like Pluto has a helmet at all in this fight.

Post match vote for Loki.