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decepticon1313
01/17/2010, 01:39
So awhile ago on a Clixcast episode I let Gudda know that I was working on a updated version of the SI Spidey and he requested a Scarlet Spider version.
Scarlet Spider 1 (http://freelancesculptor.com/index.php?supermode=gallery_view&previewm=1&a=Digital_Sculptures&image=100117021957_ss-ra-1.jpg&screenres=1440-900)
Scarlet Spider 2 (http://freelancesculptor.com/index.php?supermode=gallery_view&previewm=1&a=Digital_Sculptures&image=100117113538_ss-ra-2.jpg&screenres=1440-900)
da-Craig-O
01/17/2010, 01:42
I dig everything but the 'baby' right hand. ;)
Doesn't look complete though.
Steelmage2000
01/17/2010, 02:02
Damn that is good, that should have been the SI Spider-man!
AEONFLUX
01/17/2010, 02:10
Love the pose... very cool.
da-Craig-O
01/17/2010, 02:11
See Ben! Not everyone is going to agree with me.
Plus, I....may be wrong about the baby hand. It does appear in scale with the other hand. Stupid late-night phone call...
Very cool. I dig the digital sculpting. Crazy kids and your fancy tech.
decepticon1313
01/17/2010, 03:25
Alright, I updated the links. The hand is no longer a "baby hand" (thank you Craig) and the renderings are higher quality.
i would have to agree that the right hand looks a bit small but also the arms seam a bit short...it could just be the angle though...one thing that you forgot though is the spider on his back.
im also not a big fan of the lamp post its just to under scale... instead you should have went with one of his poses... like http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/ScarletSpider/ScarletLong.gif http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10087/ScarletSpider.JPG or even something like this http://www.art-serena.com/color_art/scarlet_spider_color.jpg if i were you i would just let SI spidey fade away and be forgotten... instead move forward...think of the clear plastic too so you could have spidey jumping and leaping now instead of having him standing on odd things at odd angles
scale can throw off a sculpt in a very bad way if one thing is wrong no mater now small it is, it will throw the hole thing off.
Alright, I updated the links. The hand is no longer a "baby hand" (thank you Craig) and the renderings are higher quality.
links no workie!
never mind they work now B^P
decepticon1313
01/17/2010, 04:16
I would have to agree that the right hand looks a bit small but also the arms seem a bit short... it could just be the angle though...one thing that you forgot though is the spider on his back.
I'm also not a big fan of the lamp post its just to under scale... instead you should have went with one of his poses... like http://www.samruby.com/Heroes/ScarletSpider/ScarletLong.gif http://blog.newsarama.com/gallery/albums/userpics/10087/ScarletSpider.JPG or even something like this http://www.art-serena.com/color_art/scarlet_spider_color.jpg If i were you i would just let SI spidey fade away and be forgotten... instead move forward...think of the clear plastic too so you could have spidey jumping and leaping now instead of having him standing on odd things at odd angles
scale can throw off a sculpt in a very bad way if one thing is wrong no mater now small it is, it will throw the whole thing off.
I've added the spider symbol to the back of his hoodie.
I would feel remiss in my duties as a professional sculptor were I to let things simply fade away. It's my job to examine my weaknesses and work towards overcoming them. Hopefully this sculpt is evidence of my progress since SI.
Besides this was a friendly request from Gudda which I'm sure he will most likely appreciate.
unsung hero
01/17/2010, 04:31
Besides this was a friendly request from Gudda which I'm sure he will most likely appreciate.
Appreciate? What a understatement! It's fantastic! What did you paint his body with? Looks like an action figure. Nice work!;)
I've added the spider symbol to the back of his hoodie.
I would feel remiss in my duties as a professional sculptor were I to let things simply fade away. It's my job to examine my weaknesses and work towards overcoming them. Hopefully this sculpt is evidence of my progress since SI.
Besides this was a friendly request from Gudda which I'm sure he will most likely appreciate.
well seeing as this isn't actually a sculpt its a 3D computer drawing i wouldn't quite say this is "evidence" it just means you are a better 3D computer drawer than you are at actual sculpting but that's neither here nor there.
and as for the spider emblem on the back nice but you have it backwards it should be going the other way... and if its just a peace of 3D art that isn't going to be sculpted i would suggest just going ahead and making the lamp post bigger and to scale kuz right now it looks way to small, kinda makes scarlet spider look like a giant.
p.s. you forgot to capitalize my i after If after the links i posted B^P
decepticon1313
01/17/2010, 11:47
well seeing as this isn't actually a sculpt its a 3D computer drawing i wouldn't quite say this is "evidence" it just means you are a better 3D computer drawer than you are at actual sculpting but that's neither here nor there.
...thanks? So you don't consider Thor and Venom from Hammer of Thor to be "sculpts"?
decepticon1313
01/17/2010, 11:53
Appreciate? What a understatement! It's fantastic! What did you paint his body with? Looks like an action figure. Nice work!;)
The sculpture was rendered using Rhino 3d and a plug in. From here it can be printed using a 3D printer.
traitorarmor
01/17/2010, 12:01
...thanks? So you don't consider Thor and Venom from Hammer of Thor to be "sculpts"?
Or that awesome Machine Man that Decepticon1313 donated to a tournament during the clix-hiatus....:rolleyes:
decepticon1313
01/17/2010, 12:14
... and if its just a peace of 3D art that isn't going to be sculpted i would suggest just going ahead and making the lamp post bigger and to scale kuz right now it looks way to small, kinda makes scarlet spider look like a giant.
Your suggestion is duly noted.
With regards to the lamp post, they tend to come in many shapes and sizes. Here is one of the reference images I was working from:
I love lamp. (http://www.solarlamppost.com/images/products/display/solarlampsingle.jpg)
The BoyBlunder
01/17/2010, 12:17
It's a lamp post, not a street light. Size varies. The scale is fine. There is a lamp post on my street that I can touch the top of when I'm on tip toes.
Silver Lantern
01/17/2010, 12:19
HOW ON EARTH DOES THAT LOOK SO AWESOME??!!!! It's pristine.
The WK previews don't look that good.
...thanks? So you don't consider Thor and Venom from Hammer of Thor to be "sculpts"?
yes and no.... you didn't actually sculpt it, a machine did, you just drew it on a computer....now if you actually sculpted it and then scanned it into a computer then yea you actually sculpted it.
as for the lamp post... yea i know they come it many shapes and sizes...but it don't change the fact that spidey looks huge on this lamp post...i.e. it looks like if he were really to jump on or off from it it would bend right over, also the height, it looks to be shorter than spidey, like the link you gave most lamp posts are still kinda tall, that way you don't bump you head on them while walking by them, and so the light comes from above your vision and not below or directly in front of. but hey its just my opinion. other than the scale looks a little off on the lamp post its not a bad drawing, it looks pretty cool.
HOW ON EARTH DOES THAT LOOK SO AWESOME??!!!! It's pristine.
The WK previews don't look that good.
its because its not a picture of an actual sculpt, its a 3D picture from his computer. kinda spiffy how far computers have come. looks almost real! B^)
decepticon1313
01/17/2010, 12:54
yes and no.... you didn't actually sculpt it, a machine did, you just drew it on a computer....
By that rationale wouldn't that mean traditional putty sculptors don't actually sculpt either, their clay shapers and wax tools do all the sculpting. They just move them around.
The computer is just another tool and I believe the popular opinion would be that it's more the ability of the person creating the thing rather than the method of creation.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to my opinion of your opinions.
By that rationale wouldn't that mean traditional putty sculptors don't actually sculpt either, their clay shapers and wax tools do all the sculpting. They just move them around.
The computer is just another tool and I believe the popular opinion would be that it's more the ability of the person creating the thing rather than the method of creation.
You are certainly entitled to your opinion, just as I am entitled to my opinion of your opinions.
well i think of it like this... if i were to draw up a building on the computer and then print it out would that make me an architect?? no it would make me sum guy that draws on a computer. instead its more of being a 3D designer.
but like you said opinion opinion entitled opinion bla bla bla
By that rationale wouldn't that mean traditional putty sculptors don't actually sculpt either, their clay shapers and wax tools do all the sculpting. They just move them around..
you just answered your question.... they move the tools around...i.e. they are holding the tools and they use their hands to shape the clay, wax, putty, metal and what not. its a bit different. now don't get me wrong im not knocking you i think this is a great idea, heck ive been saying topps should have been using the 3d printers a long ### time ago. it would cut down tuns of costs and would give us good paint jobs... well for the most part. though i thought of them actually scanning in the lil clay/wax/putty (what ever) figures and rendering them in 3D... you took it one step farther and actually skipped the sculpt part and just drew up the 3D model.
decepticon1313
01/17/2010, 13:40
you just answered your question.... they move the tools around...i.e. they are holding the tools and they use their hands to shape the clay, wax, putty, metal and what not. its a bit different.
You seem to have a limited understanding of how I do what I do. Here is a link to the system that I use:
Sensable (http://sensable.com/industries-design-model.htm#ClayTools)
It's the same system that Games Workshop uses for their plastics, the stylus has force feedback that allows you to feel the virtual clay that you manipulate...with the stylus tool...in your hand. It's not a CAD drawing program, although files produced using this method will work with CAD programs.
That maybe the coolest thing i have ever seen ... Its so awesome.
Anyone giving ben a hard time Might have to deal with an angry GUDDA.
H01Y 5hEEt
mr_obvious
01/17/2010, 14:26
Do you have access to equipment to actually render this figure? Your work is amazing. If I had such skill and equipment, I'd be making entire custom sets of teams to play. Your work is incredible. It is truly amazing art, even if it never gets rendered it is still a great piece of work.
You seem to have a limited understanding of how I do what I do. Here is a link to the system that I use:
Sensable (http://sensable.com/industries-design-model.htm#ClayTools)
It's the same system that Games Workshop uses for their plastics, the stylus has force feedback that allows you to feel the virtual clay that you manipulate...with the stylus tool...in your hand. It's not a CAD drawing program, although files produced using this method will work with CAD programs.
Don't let the troll get you down. He just wishes he could get paid to make minis for a living. The input system for sculpting doesn't matter, you sculpt and that sculpt is really nice. :d-indomitable:
Wimbley, I don't get why your doing this. It a losing battle. The more you argue that decepticon1313 is not a "sculptor" is silly. Once he explained that he is using Sensable w/force feedback, it puts this issue to rest. Art is art.
(Sorry. Was watching my Vikes dismantle America's team and saw this thread. It irked me enough to post I guess....)
da-Craig-O
01/17/2010, 14:51
As someone that has gotten to 'play' with the program Ben uses AND use the physical sculpting tools he and Brian Dugas use I can tell you there is no difference in the medium. The haptic tool sure 'feels' like you are pushing on clay.
Ben - Don't forget the 'Choco-throne' Martian Manhunter and the Black Adam/ Captain Marvel duo are not real sculpts either.
Finally, drawing a building does make you an architect. I took CAD for three years in high school. Do you think that architects actually swing a hammer?
As someone that has gotten to 'play' with the program Ben uses AND use the physical sculpting tools he and Brian Dugas use I can tell you there is no difference in the medium. The haptic tool sure 'feels' like you are pushing on clay.
Ben - Don't forget the 'Choco-throne' Martian Manhunter and the Black Adam/ Captain Marvel duo are not real sculpts either.
Finally, drawing a building does make you an architect. I took CAD for three years in high school. Do you think that architects actually swing a hammer?
heh actually i meant like printing out a building i.e. for 3D game boards we use for herolix B^P but yes you are right he he
and i never said he wasn't a sculptor i just said what he did here wasn't actually sculpting and even on the sight you linked its called design and modeling. i didn't come in here as a troll either i was just giving feedback on the figure and just made suggestions to make it look better, i even agreed with Da-Craig-O. i just wanted to help him make the best model he could if that is trolling then o well im a troll.
p.s. as for the black adam/cap marvel they too also look like they suffer from baby hands B^( that's why i keep on saying you need to learn your proportions and anatomy but this will prolly be seen as being a troll instead of constructive criticism :(
unsung hero
01/17/2010, 15:12
Yeah just put that chump on your Ignore list and move on.
flashshello
01/17/2010, 15:57
So awhile ago on a Clixcast episode I let Gudda know that I was working on a updated version of the SI Spidey and he requested a Scarlet Spider version.
Scarlet Spider 1 (http://freelancesculptor.com/index.php?supermode=gallery_view&previewm=1&a=Digital_Sculptures&image=100117021957_ss-ra-1.jpg&screenres=1440-900)
Scarlet Spider 2 (http://freelancesculptor.com/index.php?supermode=gallery_view&previewm=1&a=Digital_Sculptures&image=100117113538_ss-ra-2.jpg&screenres=1440-900)
DUDE! That's soo awsome looking! I always liked Ben Reilly, I was glad to get the sinister version (which has a good sculpt too). I just have one problem with it....
It's not him as Spider-Man! :disappointed: If you ever get board, do one. You obviously have the talant and he's one version of Spider-man we have yet to have and would be awsome to play.
Some good pics as examples for sculpt ideas:
Spidey-Ben 1 (http://www.comicvine.com/scarlet-spider/29-6286/spider-man/108-5534/81129-scarlet-spider/105-151100/?offset=23)
Spidey-Ben 2 (http://www.comicvine.com/scarlet-spider/29-6286/spider-man/108-5534/103937-scarlet-spider/105-144651/?offset=25)
Spidey-Ben 3 (http://www.comicvine.com/scarlet-spider/29-6286/spider-man/108-5534/sm14/105-760383/?offset=7)
Other than that, looks good to me, (would have been interesting to see Ben Reilly with special powers). Keep up the good work. :cool:
ShadowMoses
01/17/2010, 17:19
heh actually i meant like printing out a building i.e. for 3D game boards we use for herolix B^P but yes you are right he he
and i never said he wasn't a sculptor i just said what he did here wasn't actually sculpting and even on the sight you linked its called design and modeling. i didn't come in here as a troll either i was just giving feedback on the figure and just made suggestions to make it look better, i even agreed with Da-Craig-O. i just wanted to help him make the best model he could if that is trolling then o well im a troll.
p.s. as for the black adam/cap marvel they too also look like they suffer from baby hands B^( that's why i keep on saying you need to learn your proportions and anatomy but this will prolly be seen as being a troll instead of constructive criticism :(
I understand where you are coming from, but you need to learn to articulate better so you don't come off as a ###### bag. When you say "you need to learn your proportions and anatomy" it suggests that he, a professional sculptor who does amazing work, doesn't know how to do his own job.
I've looked at your work many times Wimbley, and, honestly, you could work on tons of things. I get the feeling you don't understand how hard it is to be a sculptor. Modding is easy when compared to sculpting an entire figure, and yes I do both. Proportions are sometimes off, and things like lamp post size have to be sacrificed to make the entire figure fit in with the game.
I'm not bashing you or anything, but the way you word things comes off slightly arrogant, even though I'm sure thats not the intent. Just work on how you say things and you can get your constructive criticism off a lot better!;)
As for the sculpt itself, just wow man. That thing really is beautiful. I came here expecting a modded version of the SI Spidey, but instead its a total overhaul, and is definitely awesome. Keep up the great work my friend.
Cool stuff Ben!
May I ask if you still use putty from time to time or if you exclusively use computer nowadays? I think I see many advantages of working with computers and I intend to try that (hopefully this year) but I think a few things with putty might miss me.
Great work Ben, awesome job. Just out of curiosity, what would a system like that set someone back? I couldn't find any information about cost, but I am imagining it's quite expensive?
ibeatdrew
01/17/2010, 23:05
Dude. Totally rockin! That's what we are talking about. That is the ultimate masterpiece chase figure!
Glad we pushed your artistic creativity forward with our cheers and jeers on the podcast! Can't wait to get back with you and Brian to talk about the Brave and The Bold Sculpts.
Also glad you are active in the Heroclix Community. Does Brian need his account here fixed?
Wimbley is the kinda guy who would call "inkers (tracers)"
I disagree with all his comments, and that will open a can of worms and diverge some of the jeers from you to me.
I'll be your meat shield!
So awhile ago on a Clixcast episode I let Gudda know that I was working on a updated version of the SI Spidey and he requested a Scarlet Spider version.
Scarlet Spider 1 (http://freelancesculptor.com/index.php?supermode=gallery_view&previewm=1&a=Digital_Sculptures&image=100117021957_ss-ra-1.jpg&screenres=1440-900)
Scarlet Spider 2 (http://freelancesculptor.com/index.php?supermode=gallery_view&previewm=1&a=Digital_Sculptures&image=100117113538_ss-ra-2.jpg&screenres=1440-900)
after looking at the pics again i noticed sumpin... the spider emblem needs to be bigger prolly twice the size. it should go from shoulder down to the bottom of the hoodie. once you fix that i would say the figure looks perty dang nice.
could we have more angles? i.e. more pictures from different angles B^P
also i too was wondering how much one o them clay tools systems run... i tried looking them up and the only place i could find that sold them were in India and you had to email them to ask them the price :surprised.
i really wish a company would go the rout of the 3D printing of the figures you could even print out the dial and not have to waste paper or plastic. all excess powder gets reused, you don't have to pay for molds, workers to assemble/paint the figures just print out a brick of figures with dials already printed and assembled and pack em up... now you would need someone to clean the powder off but that would be a lot cheaper than what you would do the other way. i really don't see a down side to it. even the printers are fairly cheap.
Wimbley is the kinda guy who would call "inkers (tracers)"
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but they are!! B^P he he sorta and didn't someone in mallrats say that??? :p i may be wrong but im sure it was in one of his movies B^P
sockmonkee
01/17/2010, 23:56
but they are!! B^P he he sorta and didn't someone in mallrats say that??? :p i may be wrong but im sure it was in one of his movies B^P
Chasing Amy
ibeatdrew
01/18/2010, 00:05
Chasing Amy
correct! I wanted to see if anyone would pick that up...funny line in that movie, but like Jason Lee, they are artists too.
Ben, you just keep sculpting with whatever you want. You rock at it, make a living at it and are happy with it, that's all that matters!
decepticon1313
01/18/2010, 00:23
Cool stuff Ben!
May I ask if you still use putty from time to time or if you exclusively use computer nowadays? I think I see many advantages of working with computers and I intend to try that (hopefully this year) but I think a few things with putty might miss me.
Hey Vestige!
I still use putty on occasion but nearly as much as I would like. The demand for digital is pretty high so most of my time is spent in front of a monitor.
With any luck in the coming months I should be able to get some more putty time in.
decepticon1313
01/18/2010, 00:27
Great work Ben, awesome job. Just out of curiosity, what would a system like that set someone back? I couldn't find any information about cost, but I am imagining it's quite expensive?
Yeah, they aren't cheap. The desktop version that GW uses can run between 15,000 to 18,000.
I use the Omni system which is between 5,000 and 7,000.
Bear in mind those were the prices from about a year ago and from what I hear they have gone up.
da-Craig-O
01/18/2010, 00:56
Cool stuff Ben!
May I ask if you still use putty from time to time or if you exclusively use computer nowadays? I think I see many advantages of working with computers and I intend to try that (hopefully this year) but I think a few things with putty might miss me.
Speaking of cool stuff, would you please take a deserved bow on your own 'published' work?
That sculpt freakin' rocks!
I think it looks great as well. Good to see that even fields like mini sculpting are using the technology that is available today. Does the 3-D modeling save any time in the process? I imagine it might be a little quicker but, hey, you never know...
I've said it elsewhere, but you're really coming into your own with the digital stuff.
I think it looks great as well. Good to see that even fields like mini sculpting are using the technology that is available today. Does the 3-D modeling save any time in the process? I imagine it might be a little quicker but, hey, you never know...
I imagine that the primary benefit is like the primary benefit wherever digital is used instead of analogue [for lack of a better term]: backup and undoing. In this system you can store stages and changes, where a 'real' sculpture can't be backed up and altered non-linearly [if you will]. Not really, at least. You accidentally shave off a finely-sculpted face, it's gone. Not so here.
Also, remoulding and alteration would probably be far more efficient.
thetigerking83
01/18/2010, 13:07
I have a question. This sculpt shows some serious skill, and looks much better in this form than the HoT Thor or Venom do in hand. I'm assuming this is due to loss of detail through the manufacturing process, as seems the case with actual sculpts I've seen before and after photos of.
So here's the question: Is there a way to compensate for the loss of detail by modifying the original with that in mind? Giving certain parts bigger features, knowing that the production process will shrink them to the intended size?
Awesome work by the way. :)
wellender
01/18/2010, 13:45
I have a question. This sculpt shows some serious skill, and looks much better in this form than the HoT Thor or Venom do in hand. I'm assuming this is due to loss of detail through the manufacturing process, as seems the case with actual sculpts I've seen before and after photos of.
So here's the question: Is there a way to compensate for the loss of detail by modifying the original with that in mind? Giving certain parts bigger features, knowing that the production process will shrink them to the intended size?
Awesome work by the way. :)
That is a great question.
Yeah, they aren't cheap. The desktop version that GW uses can run between 15,000 to 18,000.
I use the Omni system which is between 5,000 and 7,000.
Bear in mind those were the prices from about a year ago and from what I hear they have gone up.
Wow, that's more than I paid for my last car :p
Thanks for the info.
Cheers.
da-Craig-O
01/18/2010, 14:05
That is a great question.
I agree! Quite insightful. :)
decepticon1313
01/18/2010, 14:43
So here's the question: Is there a way to compensate for the loss of detail by modifying the original with that in mind? Giving certain parts bigger features, knowing that the production process will shrink them to the intended size?
Awesome work by the way. :)
There is, but it's a learning process. This method is fairly new and refining it for plastic production is really a trial and error process.
With Venom and Thor I packed in a lot of detail so that I could see what would remain and what would get lost. The original model for Venom had a lot of small teeth and veins on the arms that didn't make it through to the final piece.
But that gave me a better feel for changes that I would need to make so that details would translate better. I think I've got a pretty good grasp on things now, hopefully my work will continue to improve.
coldfuzion
01/18/2010, 16:41
Here is a blank check. Write whatever numbers will put one of these in my hands.
Thanks!
Doom's herald
01/18/2010, 16:55
Dude. Totally rockin! That's what we are talking about. That is the ultimate masterpiece chase figure!
Glad we pushed your artistic creativity forward with our cheers and jeers on the podcast! Can't wait to get back with you and Brian to talk about the Brave and The Bold Sculpts.
Also glad you are active in the Heroclix Community. Does Brian need his account here fixed?
Wimbley is the kinda guy who would call "inkers (tracers)"
I disagree with all his comments, and that will open a can of worms and diverge some of the jeers from you to me.
I'll be your meat shield!
ROFL @ inkers/tracers comment! Awesome job, Ben!
Slade Wilson
01/18/2010, 18:25
Wow just wow!
Milo Garret
01/19/2010, 12:45
Is the sculpt viewable in a panoramic video?
Have you thought of using a site like http://www.shapeways.com to make these available and make a little on the side? Just post him as "Arachno-Guy" or something to avoid copyright issues. Not put a painted version as an image. Maybe just put in the description that "this is not Spider-Man or the Scarlet Spider, how you paint him up is up to the buyer" That way, people looking for Spider-Man or Scarlet Spider will find him, but, Marvel couldn't do too much.
Just a thought, and I've seen other putting their digital miniatures up there for sale.
decepticon1313
01/20/2010, 01:51
Have you thought of using a site like http://www.shapeways.com to make these available and make a little on the side? Just post him as "Arachno-Guy" or something to avoid copyright issues. Not put a painted version as an image. Maybe just put in the description that "this is not Spider-Man or the Scarlet Spider, how you paint him up is up to the buyer" That way, people looking for Spider-Man or Scarlet Spider will find him, but, Marvel couldn't do too much.
Just a thought, and I've seen other putting their digital miniatures up there for sale.
I've considered it and I've actually ordered parts from Shapeway's before. They make really good rapid proto parts and you can't beat their prices.
At some point when I get a little free time I may post some military or S.W.A.T. style generics on Shapeway's but I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of posting even a pseudo generic Spidey or any proprietary character without permission. Mostly out of personal respect for the companies that make the comics that I love.
In the long run I may be considered for a collaborative project with one of the comic companies and I'd rather have a reputation as the guy that respects the IP's and didn't try to make a few quick bucks under the table.
Although I don't believe they'd mind me donating a few original sculpts as prizes for clix events at cons ;) (hint, hint, wink, wink ECCC)
decepticon1313
01/20/2010, 01:54
Is the sculpt viewable in a panoramic video?
It would take more time than I have available at the moment, but maybe in a month or two I'll find myself with extra time on my hands and a video may just come to fruition.
machineman
01/20/2010, 05:54
Nice, if figs like Venom and Thor are examples of the results of this type of sculpting, I say move forward with this. While the Thor is a very nice result, I could cope with more resulting detail in the sculpt than what we got, but it's nice nonetheless. And is understandable, as you say, you need to fine tune your detailing for the manufacturing process. This Scarlet Spidey is beautiful. I would be happy as a pig in $#!+ if we got that in a set. What a cool gift to your buddy Gudda. Also, Venom is one of my favorite and definitely top 10 sculpts of the past 3 sets. SI Spidey is forgotten! Great comeback.
I've considered it and I've actually ordered parts from Shapeway's before. They make really good rapid proto parts and you can't beat their prices.
At some point when I get a little free time I may post some military or S.W.A.T. style generics on Shapeway's but I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of posting even a pseudo generic Spidey or any proprietary character without permission. Mostly out of personal respect for the companies that make the comics that I love.
In the long run I may be considered for a collaborative project with one of the comic companies and I'd rather have a reputation as the guy that respects the IP's and didn't try to make a few quick bucks under the table.
Although I don't believe they'd mind me donating a few original sculpts as prizes for clix events at cons ;) (hint, hint, wink, wink ECCC)
That's cool and totally understandable.
rwint1968
01/20/2010, 09:16
Wow, just wow. Is that a personal commission or is this fig coming in an upcoming Marvel set? Either way, verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry nice.
Thanks,
:cool:
saturnflight
01/20/2010, 09:34
I can't look at Sinister's Scarlet the same way anymore...
traitorarmor
01/20/2010, 10:03
Oh, I got a Q for you Ben.
In the event that we are lucky(or unlucky I suppose, depending on your POV) enough to get another Scarlet Spider made in heroclix in the future, would Wizkids be able(or likely) to use this sculpt for it? Or would they prefer made from scratch stuff?
I guess that goes for any of the clix sculptors and their sculpts that aren't purchesed yet and are just sitting in their respetive albums.......mocking us with their awesomeness. :p:p
phantalien
01/20/2010, 10:41
I get very tired of people knocking on the scale of things. We should be more focused on the character than the terrain.
I love the sculpt.
I also love the SI Spidey sculpt. (I am probably the only one)
We have to remember the side restrictions of terrain. I do not want my whole booster pack filled with a light post. That light post probably could have made another 2-3 figures in that case. As long as the point is coming across and the character's sculpt is good, then I am happy.
evilevil
01/20/2010, 10:53
your Work Amazes me. Its truly outstanding!
What are all the figs you sculpted in sets so far?
I think I know the following
Powerman Ironfist Duo
Thor (HOT)
Venom (HOT)
What else have you done?
da-Craig-O
01/20/2010, 14:11
your Work Amazes me. Its truly outstanding!
What are all the figs you sculpted in sets so far?
I think I know the following
Powerman Ironfist Duo
Thor (HOT)
Venom (HOT)
What else have you done?
He did not do the PM/IF duo. That was James Van Sheik...shake...I butcher his spelling constantly. :(
He did a whole bunch in HoT but Venom and Thor were the only 'digital' sculpts in that set. He also did the Warriors Three, Balder, Heimdall, Pip, Penance, Destroyer, Bug, Starlord, Rocket Raccoon and others.
You guys don't have to give him too many props though. He did butcher that Dum Dum Dugan, if you recall.
:laugh:
decepticon1313
01/20/2010, 20:27
He did butcher that Dum Dum Dugan, if you recall.
True, I think I need to do an updated sculpt for him as well. It breaks my heart that Dum Dum turned out as he did :(
decepticon1313
01/20/2010, 20:29
Oh, I got a Q for you Ben.
In the event that we are lucky(or unlucky I suppose, depending on your POV) enough to get another Scarlet Spider made in heroclix in the future, would Wizkids be able(or likely) to use this sculpt for it? Or would they prefer made from scratch stuff?
I don't know, I certainly wouldn't be opposed to WK using this fig in a set.
decepticon1313
01/20/2010, 20:31
I also love the SI Spidey sculpt. (I am probably the only one)
At last I've found you!!! I've been searching for so long! :)
da-Craig-O
01/20/2010, 21:41
At last I've found you!!! I've been searching for so long! :)
Hey now. I dig SI Spidey.
I like the PC responce about Dugan as well. No 'I hate you, Craig'?
:cheeky:
chrispy3000
01/28/2010, 15:18
Hey now. I dig SI Spidey.
I like the PC responce about Dugan as well. No 'I hate you, Craig'?
:cheeky:
I don't get it. Are your lips constantly sealed on Ben's arse? Honestly...
Anyway, as for the digi-sculpt: Nice work. I can't say I'm a big fan of the things you've done but had SI Spidey looked like that, I could have said I liked something you've done. Keep on workin' man! You're getting better!
adam1der
01/28/2010, 15:38
That is all kinds of BEAUTIFUL! GREAT sculpt, man! Don't suppose you plan on doing one with Ben as Spider-Man or Peter Porker, The Spectacular Spider-Ham? :cool:
da-Craig-O
01/28/2010, 16:23
I don't get it. Are your lips constantly sealed on Ben's arse? Honestly...
Anyway, as for the digi-sculpt: Nice work. I can't say I'm a big fan of the things you've done but had SI Spidey looked like that, I could have said I liked something you've done. Keep on workin' man! You're getting better!
Only when he's dropping a deuce, I'm afraid.
I do appreciate the 'keep on workin' comment. Like you are encouraging a C student to get better at math. "You might make it someday if you keep working, Ben. Don't give up hope to get paid to do this for a living."
chrispy3000
01/29/2010, 03:03
Only when he's dropping a deuce, I'm afraid.
...fair enough.
I do appreciate the 'keep on workin' comment. Like you are encouraging a C student to get better at math. "You might make it someday if you keep working, Ben. Don't give up hope to get paid to do this for a living."
Eh, essentially it's just how I feel as a customer. Looking back on some figs I've modded (granted I'm by no means any good) I found that they tend to be Ben's work: SI Spidey, HoT Venom, Thor, Dugan etc. so as a CUSTOMER who gives money for a product I assume to be of good quality, I simply find that Ben's work is that of a C student and I don't really dig giving my money for the work of someone who seems to be dishing out sub par figs especially when I then feel the need to modify the fig to make it look better (of course beauty is in the eye of the beholder). I understand in order to get better one must practice and work at it and only over time can one become better but me being a customer wanting to get my money's worth, I don't enjoy paying for his work at the level he currently is at (although looking at his page, his work for other games such as Monsterpocalypse and Warmachine are fantastic! just wish clix stuff was on that level).
With that being said, I was simply saying in the previous post that I found his digital sculpt to be pretty damn cool and impressive and had the actual physical product been part of a set, I'd be a fan of his...of course, probably nowhere near your level of brown-nose-ery.
da-Craig-O
01/29/2010, 03:33
With that being said, I was simply saying in the previous post that I found his digital sculpt to be pretty damn cool and impressive and had the actual physical product been part of a set, I'd be a fan of his...of course, probably nowhere near your level of brown-nose-ery.
That is understood.
Just to clarify if you are unaware. The thought of me 'brown-nosing' Ben is ridiculous. He was the best man at my wedding and my has been my best friend for 15 years. My appreciation of his work is not that of a fan boy.
while others may complain about the scale of the lamp, i think it looks a lot like the shorter ones used in parks around new york. very nice detail, i wish i had a goblet filled to the brim with rep to give you!
its definately an interesting way of doing things..tech moves along so rapidly these days.
does it require the same skill levels of sculpting to produce something like this?
because ive been a 3d modeller for about 10 years. and feel i could produce very similar to what you have created there.
and if i could use this instead of putty i probbly would give it a try at least.
i can see where wimbley is coming from with what he is saying.
i am very old school and it can feel to some that this slightly takes the value of sculpting away from what it should be
but man invented the wheel because it made moving things a lot easier. when im sure some people around that time preferred using logs
so why not rely on computers to make a model 10 times bigger then have a machine sculpt it at its correct clix size. its probbly easier and if i had the tools id probbly do the same...for now ill stick to glue and green stuff tho :)
any chnce you could post your original thor and venom 3d models?
it would be nice to see how the finished articles compare to the rendered ones
darius_dax1
01/29/2010, 10:19
I don't know why I continued to read this entire thread.
Great Work Ben! It looks awesome even if you are a tracer*.
*I can't believe someone thinks that isn't sculpting.
chrispy3000
01/29/2010, 14:03
Just to clarify if you are unaware. The thought of me 'brown-nosing' Ben is ridiculous. He was the best man at my wedding and my has been my best friend for 15 years. My appreciation of his work is not that of a fan boy.
Ah, you see now that I wasn't aware of. That makes sense. Simply that by me only reading what had been posted (past friend history unknown) it came off as kiss-arse but I get it. My apologies.
My opinion on the sculpts however still stands, however:
any chnce you could post your original thor and venom 3d models?
it would be nice to see how the finished articles compare to the rendered ones
I second this notion.
da-Craig-O
01/29/2010, 14:17
Ah, you see now that I wasn't aware of. That makes sense. Simply that by me only reading what had been posted (past friend history unknown) it came off as kiss-arse but I get it. My apologies.
My opinion on the sculpts however still stands, however:
I second this notion.
Not a problem. I realized that maybe you were unaware. I take that knowledge for granted.
I (contrary to some beliefs) have no problem with critique of Ben's work. He has improved quite a lot which is understandable. A sculpt like Penance seemed a mile away back when he first started. I do have a problem with what I think are insulting comments and condescending opinions. I feel that way about most people though.
Just out of curiosity, did you sculpt the Hal Jordan for the Blackest night set? I noticed the dial looked as if were still digitally produced and was curious.
Oh and I have to give you mad props I repainted your Thor added some lightning effects and he raked me in $30 on eBay for a relatively painless Mod
http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/picture.php?albumid=57&pictureid=7744
kujonomore
02/03/2010, 12:24
Hey I love the sculpts, very cool stuff (so I must be a kiss ### too)
and I'm gonna go turn my engineering patents back in, did not realize that I cannot take credit for that stuff since I drew it up on a computer (oh wait I cannot say drew it up either)... that I typed and moused up
and since I'm the customer and I spent my $12 on a booster I can trash whoever I want.....
Pootzwacke
02/03/2010, 18:17
[system error - disregard]
Pootzwacke
02/03/2010, 18:21
Awesome figure, Ben.
I have a question: would the 3D model's detail transfer better from the sculpting package if the master was produced with, say, a 3D CNC lathe/4-axis router (as opposed to a 3D printer)?
I've seen CNC lathes that are capable of incredibly fine work... but I can't say I've seen anything as small as a HeroClix figure being created. Is that even an option on something this small? If so, it seems like that might be the way to get your "veins and teeth" level of detail. Those CNC rigs are extremely expensive, but maybe the actual master production could be outsourced?
Just curious. I'm a videogame developer, not a rapid prototyper... so I may be WAY off base here. :p
In any case, keep up the excellent work!
Harlekin
02/03/2010, 18:39
Looks ten times better than Mera.
Hey I love the sculpts, very cool stuff (so I must be a kiss ### too)
and I'm gonna go turn my engineering patents back in, did not realize that I cannot take credit for that stuff since I drew it up on a computer (oh wait I cannot say drew it up either)... that I typed and moused up
and since I'm the customer and I spent my $12 on a booster I can trash whoever I want.....
heh totally not the same but o well.
i had a hole bunch more typed out but figured whats the point? :p
yer an engineer you get credit for drawing out the blueprints not for actually building the building :p construction workers get that credit :p
elfholme
02/03/2010, 19:40
I've considered it and I've actually ordered parts from Shapeway's before. They make really good rapid proto parts and you can't beat their prices.
At some point when I get a little free time I may post some military or S.W.A.T. style generics on Shapeway's but I'm really uncomfortable with the idea of posting even a pseudo generic Spidey or any proprietary character without permission. Mostly out of personal respect for the companies that make the comics that I love.
In the long run I may be considered for a collaborative project with one of the comic companies and I'd rather have a reputation as the guy that respects the IP's and didn't try to make a few quick bucks under the table.
Although I don't believe they'd mind me donating a few original sculpts as prizes for clix events at cons ;) (hint, hint, wink, wink ECCC)
So how much would it cost to get some Ben Misenar - sculpted Henchmen? Maybe henchmen with some costume-like sculpts that make them look slightly clown-like, or bird-like? ;) Or maybe just some mobsters that would be suitable for henchman dials?
It would be cool to have some different sculpts for generics, so it looks like a bunch of different guys, instead of the same guy and a bunch of mirrors. In SWM, WOTC is/was constantly re-issuing generics like Stormtroopers, and I kept buying them because I like the different poses. Would love to do the same with Heroclix.
And FWIW, I'm generally a fan of your work. The HoT Thor isn't my favorite sculpt, but that was a learning process piece, and some of your other stuff is awesome, IMO. I'm excited about the upcoming starter pieces. And that Scarlet Spider (best version of Spider-Man Marvel ever did, IMO) is very cool!
I've been to the GW Studio and watched sculptors using both green stuff and tools and a digital sculpting program (which was brand-spanking new when I saw it a few years ago). I've only sculpted the most basic stuff in green stuff (no full characters here). I think the digital sculpting technology is awesome.
da-Craig-O
02/13/2010, 00:40
Any truth to the rumor (that I just started) that the Scarlet Spider will be at the Emerald City ComiCon as a prize/auction item?
So how much would it cost to get some Ben Misenar - sculpted Henchmen? Maybe henchmen with some costume-like sculpts that make them look slightly clown-like, or bird-like? ;) Or maybe just some mobsters that would be suitable for henchman dials?
Ho about something like this for Penguin Henchmen? This is from the most awesome Batman: Brave and the Bold cartoon episode ever (Aquaman's Outrageous Adventure)
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ibeatdrew
02/14/2010, 00:22
Any truth to the rumor (that I just started) that the Scarlet Spider will be at the Emerald City ComiCon as a prize/auction item?
I would say 1% chance
Nightwing-fan
05/04/2010, 07:54
That is an awesome sculpt. If this Scarlet is coming out in the Web of Spiderman set. Please let it be one of the regular pieces and not a chase.
wintremute
05/04/2010, 13:49
Was it ever finished? Can we get a live shot of it?
da-Craig-O
05/04/2010, 13:56
In the flesh!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63173472@N00/
Nice! The Scarlet Spider is a pretty cool looking sculpt.
wintremute
05/04/2010, 15:23
That came out very nicely. Thank you for posting the pic.
shocking_stuff
05/05/2010, 06:28
So how much would it cost to get some Ben Misenar - sculpted Henchmen? Maybe henchmen with some costume-like sculpts that make them look slightly clown-like, or bird-like? ;) Or maybe just some mobsters that would be suitable for henchman dials?
Ho about something like this for Penguin Henchmen? This is from the most awesome Batman: Brave and the Bold cartoon episode ever (Aquaman's Outrageous Adventure)
Those would awesome. There isn't a lot to do to them other than paint them or change out for other generics eg. GCPD Detectives, etc.
In the flesh!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/63173472@N00/
Wow... Just Wow. You even fixed up the emblem. I love Ben Reilly (maybe one of the only ones that does) and both his Scarlet and Spider-Man Redux costumes. This is a fantastic sculpt of one of my fondest Spider-Man memories (The Exile Returns... not the Clone saga... which was fine till they backflipped the "real" clone reveal).
Maybe you could try the Ben Reilly Spider-Man costume, or the Ben Reilly Spider-Carnage... loved that look too.
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