Giants and Colossals and LOF...

[jonidschultz]

Ok, I learned quite a bit today about Giants with regard to LOF, specifically when Blocking Terrain and Elevated Terrain are involved. For some reason I always thought Blocking terrain was infinitely high. In the rules though, I have found a lot that deals with Giants. Very little that deals with a Colossal. As far as I can tell, a Giant is "easier" to see than a Colossal. Is that right?

Character A is on the edge of Elevated terrain E. Character C is a Colossal, and G is a giant. B is Blocking.
EE B G
EA B
EE B C
A can see G because P.17 under Giants "This (Giant)character and a character on elevated terrain draw line of fire and make ranged combat attacks against each other as if they were both elevated..."

However, I can find no such rule governing Colossals. So does this mean A cannot attack C? I looked in each Colossal characters individual rules, and the best I found was in The Anti-Monitor's rules it saying that "Blocking terrain blocks a line of fire drawn to or from the ANTI-MONITOR normally."

Thanks a lot,
Jon Id Schultz

[jak7890]

Well, that depends. Are we playing scenario or force?

Under the force rules, no A cannot attack C to the best of my knowledge.

Under scenario rules, however, "Characters and terrain do not block, or impose the hindering terrain modifier on, lines of fire drawn to or from [colossal]." I'm not sure that this applies for all colossals, but it does for Foom, Galactus, and Spectre.

[hanzoslash]

Well, that depends. Are we playing scenario or force?

Under the force rules, no A cannot attack C to the best of my knowledge.

Under scenario rules, however, "Characters and terrain do not block, or impose the hindering terrain modifier on, lines of fire drawn to or from [colossal]." I'm not sure that this applies for all colossals, but it does for Foom, Galactus, and Spectre.

It does not apply to other colossal characters. I hope this is covered soon. Common sense would dictate they would follow giant rules.

[normalview]

Every colossal has there own individual rules. Even regarding LOF. Some are similar (I think, as an example, Advanced Sentinel and Anti-Monitor read more or less the same with regards to LOF), but you can't really know for sure just looking at the character.

So grab the relevant rules insert (Anti-Monitor, Galactus, Foom, Advanced Sentinel, whatever) and check. And with some, the scenaio vs. force is an important distinction.

For example, here's the new Galactus rules:

Scenario:

Characters and terrain do not block, or impose the hindering terrain modifier on, lines of fire drawn to or from Galactus. Galactus can make a ranged combat attack against characters with which he is not adjacent even when Galactus is adjacent to another character.

Force:

Characters do not block lines of fire drawn to or from Galactus. Galactus blocks line of fire drawn to other characters. Galactus can make a ranged combat attack against characters with which he is not adjacent even when Galactus is adjacent to another character.

In both cases, no character can block LOF to Big G... terrain varies, though, depending on scenario/force.