Very Important Thread About The Future Of Seeing Silver Surfer

[lastchance]

I posted a thread about this on the other big Heroclix website, but I wanted to let you players on this site in on this too. I recently attented the yearly Wizkids conference that has the company talking about all the product's they will be releasing for the next year. I unfortunately can't divulge much of what I saw (I did see the entire new set of X-Plosion and it's the best one so far when it comes to sculpts, characters, and power), but there was a question asked that they said no to that I'm pretty sure can be addressed.

The question was if we will ever be seeing the Silver Surfer in Heroclix. The answer was "no, he's just way too powerfull to make into a click." At this time, they have no interest of making this character because they feel he's just too powerfull to make, yet they can make a Thanos, who is pretty affective in the game and doesn't cost that much!

This thread now has the task of listing everyone who wants to see the Silver Surfer made into a Heroclick. If we don't voice our opinion and show them that this character is wanted badly, then he will never be made. Please, if you are anything like me and want this character to be made more then any other, then tell Wizkids here that you want to see him and why on this very thread! It's the only way we can let them know, by speaking out.

My vote is obviously "YES" to making our favorite surfer into a click. He's a must! The greatest herald of Galactus!

Thank you for your time and posts.

[HotSauce]

I think he would be a great unique around 250 points. But I would be just as happy with a toned down version. I just want to see an awesome sculpt!

Marc

[Magneto666]

The Silver Surfer would be an excellent addition to the game, so yes, I think they should make one available in an upcoming set. Even if it's only done as a unique, I think WizKids should make this figure.

[Badges2]

No normal size character is too powerful to make according to Wizkids. Big guys like Galactus or the Beyonder are, but it we can have the stongest, fastest, man-of-steel in clix form; then we should be able to get a Silver Surfer.

HI-HO SILVER (surfer)

[gelf13]

Uh, OK. If you think it'll help, I vote WA-A-AY yes on a silver surfer click. Heck, even tone him down to say He-who-shall-not-be-named level. How can they do one herald of galactus but not the most popular one of all?
Anyway, I vote yes.

[Phil Dixon]

Ooh! Unsubstantiated rumour! This thread will run and run! Dr Lyu, is that you?

[Thunderbolts]

The Defenders weep. Truly, they are going to wind up the most pathetically represented faction in the game.

BTW, does the full XPlosion set tie in with 'the list?'

[dmac7979]

Speaking of the godd Dr Lyu where is that taxi change that was supposed to be in the next FAQ?

And if they can make Superman, and Thanos (who beats the snot outta the Surfer routinely) they can make the Silver Surfer which would be way cool.

[StealthArmor]

They should put him out , yes hes powerful, they already have Thanos and Firelord so why not silver surfer. Doom beat him too so bring on the surfer.

[lastchance]

This is NOT a rumor, I heard it with my own ears from the staff of Wizkids. It looks very bleak for the surfer so that's why the need for this thread. I can even back it up with another member of this site if need be. Thank you.

[Hawksmoor]

I'm part of the "Yes" camp for a Silver Surfer figure as well. With characters like Thanos, Firelord, Dr. Strange, and Thor already in the game, the "too powerful" argument doesn't hold much water. He has strong ties to the Fantastic Four, so I was kind of disappointed not to see him in Clobberin' Time. The Surfer carried his own title and was a founding member of the Defenders, to boot, so I think he deserves to make it into HeroClix, even if only as a unique.

[thickvic]

Give me a Surfer

[Spy Master]

I am also in the Yes category . I have played the marvel heroes rpg and in it surfer and firlord have simliar powers , since they both were heralds of Galactus and imbued with power from him. now surfer had some extras that firelord didnt but they were very very simliar . so making a surfer fig wont be that difficult since he is basically a better firelord

[sjslacker]

Silver Surfer is a must!!!!! I might boycott Heroclix if they dont make him..........(maybe not.......but I still really really want a Surfer Clix).

[Meepo]

Would be nice, but one of three options I see:

One: Won't be made

Two: Made, but costs 237 points, a full dial of leadership and Incapacitate, and has stats lower than Cyclops.

Three: Will cost 97 points for veteran and be extremly lethal piece like anothe Herald we all know and love.

[Mushroomfantas]

Silver surfer!!!

Also in the first appearence of Sliver Surfer in the FF The thing knocks em off the building, thus, they can tone em down

[freakazoid_x]

I'm all for seeing the surfer, but not right away. I think he should be in the first expansion of next year. That way Wizkids has plenty of time to get him right and it will keep high demand characters in the game at least until 2003. I really want Venom to be in the next set though. Knowing my luck they're holding him back until 2003 as well. Any word on The set after X-plosion being tied in with the Hulk as well?

[freakazoid_x]

It just occured to me that it IS 2003 now, my bad I meant 2004. Sorry!

[Spy Master]

no biggie freak , we all make minor mistakes but still i need to laugh in your general direction LOL

[Noman]

IMHO Silver Surfer, Namor, and a few of the rest of the Defenders will be in the Marvel set that will arrive round about Christmas 2003 / New Year 03/04.

If they can do Thanos and Firelord they can do Surfer.

Plus - he's a 70's Icon. The figure would sell out, even if it wasn't Clix !!

LoL

All the Best

Noman

[Wonder Warthog]

There just has to be a way to do Norin Radd. Yeah, he's good, but he's not unbeatable. I'd be more then happy to settle for a toned-down version, even as a Unique. If they can do Thanos, Firelord and Superman, they can do the Silver Surfer.

[sgtsicko]

Come on they gotta make him , he's one of Marvel older and better characters. He's too powerful isn't a good enough excuse. I can see them not making Beyonders, Onslaught, and the cosmic enititys but Surfer should be less than 300 points and is far from unstoppable.

What we need to do is have everyone post ideas for his powers, stats, and cost using the formulas around. Then after we've argued for a few months have a vote on how he should be done. Have some of the more creative players here make the dial we voted the best and playtest him to death. If he's good then send the info to Wizkids stating this is what the players want and we've proved it works in the game.

If we make a enough noise with are ideas Wizkids would be stupid to ignore us. Besides who would be better at making Surfer playable than us.

[Fogs]

Oh my god will i be pissed if Wizkids cops out like that.

Can't make he because he's too powerful?

And then they schlock an ELECTRA THE ALL POWERFUL GODDESS OF DEATH on us?

No way.

WE NEED OUR SURFER!!!!!!!



Do you have an email address or something for us man? Even if this thread manages to catch fire, how do you plan on ensuring it gets noticed?

[Kudger]

All you need to do is take a basic firelord dial, add invuln and toughness instead of barrier, and put in running shot and bam! you got a decent surfer dial. Maybe set him to 11 or 10 clicks and keep defense higher, but it certainly isn't too powerful, especially if they made Thor, who defeated Ego the living planet with his powers. Come on wizkids, no cop outs on what would be the best looking sculpt ever!!!

[paladin72]

Rumor or not, if there is someone in the WizKids camp that think the majority of the people don't want the Surfer they need to think again. Surely they're not going to cut him to make room for another Elektra. He is no more powerful than Supes, Thanos or Firelord. If they think he is going to be too powerful make him illegal in tournaments. Hey, here's an idea. Let's make him a send away, and give us something to do with our clix points. The Defenders are just not right without him. I guess the best thing that could happen is someone decides to make a movie about him. Then we would get one for sure.

[Auron]

I agree, the surfer is a must.

He is one of the marvel icons and should be less powerful than Thanos. Another point to bear in mind guys, is that we dont have true Thanos yet (with the infinity gauntlet).
That version would be much more than 185 points.

With regards to powers, I think from what Ive seen of the surfer charge may be more fitting than running shot, not that Ive seen much of him.

[paladin72]

Here's another thought. While Wizkids are developing the next expansioon, why not have a poll. Ask their customers who they want to see the most, what obscure character they would like to see, and what character they would like to see dropped from the next set. It would be a great way to get everybody involved. Surely they could get Marvel to agree. After all we are the ones who buy their comic books too.

[JonnJonnz]

Make Him!

[Spy Master]

A quick change of figures and u could basically replace any Firelord with Surfer. The unique one could be his final stage of power developement with some new powers.

Thanos is the "weak" version of him from the comics and making a Surfer is very very feasible, the excuse of too powerful isnt good at all . Its a logistic thing , Wizkids has to go by what Marvel lets them make . And since Marvel is in the drivers seat all Wizkids can do is nod and say " yes sir as u wish sir " :cool: cant blame them , they need the license from marvel or no game like we have now so , at least keep this htread up and running , someone at marvel has to see it and say , " u know we should make a surfer figure and the others the public has wanted " . The people do influence their decisions , after all money talks.

[Kudger]

The irony never ceases to amaze me, wizkids seems to be stuck on a relatively minor character in the marvel universe (Elektra) while one of thier most renown super heroes is shrugged off as too powerful. All I can say is Bah!!

[brendanbrown]

my goodness, ofcourse make a surfer!! how could you not make one after thanos and firelord (incase anyone has forgotten, Thanos beat all the earthly heros AND GALACTUS.....ok he was in weakened form and thanos had the gauntlet but still, he was always much more powerfull as the surfer)( and firelord absorbed just as much power cosmic as the surfer did from galactus, so they should be equal in power, right?
i am still wondering how they decide who to put in expansions, i mean firelord was scarcly heard of before clix, and i'm still waiting for some kree soldiers. :mad: i would also like to see the elders, but if they think the surfer is too powerfull, then they got no shot.

[Kudger]

One guy I don't understand why they made is Controller. When he first came out everyone at my comic store was scratching their head wondering who he was. How can Wizkids make him and not the surfer?

[davenappy]

I'll help out. I really want a Silver Surfer Clix if for no other reason than to build that Defenders team that will likely cost 400 points in veteran form, like the FF. So if vet Hulk is 147 points, and vet Dr. Strange is 87 points, that leaves 166 points for Namor and the Surfer. That's some wiggle room, though not much since most Super Strength figures cost alot, so Namor would be expensive as well. Regardless, make the Surfer, since Wizkids already has Thanos and freaking Firelord, another herald of Galactus. We already have Superman, and Thor, so why not the Surfer?

[Meepo]

The one true NorrinRadd (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2520) I want into Clix is the ONLY NorrinRadd (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=2520) who could take on Firelord and the lesser beings of this forum all in a single night and still be up for sniping those who think they have what it takes.

Long live pie!

[checkeredman]

I feel that it is pretty rediculous that cosmic beings like THANOS, and FIRELORD can be a part of HEROCLIX but no SILVER SURFER. I'm not going to pound down WK's door, or encourage multiple petitions to get this figure made, but I would like to vovalize my thoughts and feelings about this subject.

The ommission of SILVER SURFER from the MARVEL HEROCLIX line is unfortunate. FIRELORD is a very similar type character who sees representation in IC and by may players opinions is too cheap for the powers and stats he possesses.

I can understand why WK may shy away from pushing single figures above the 200 point line (save for the 8" figures). OWAW SUPERMAN is the most costly thus far--and a 200point HULK is around the corner, so wmy not a 200/225+ point SILVER SURFER?

I really hope WK reconsiders. There are enough SS fans out there who'd love to put this piece into theircollection/game.

[imafineboy]

what kind of powers should the sufer have?

[I Am The Game]

The Controller is a heavy calibre villain who ripped into Captain Marvel and the Avengers a couple of times. Just cause he's not the most playable character doesn't mean they shouldn't have made one.

That being said, they MUST make a Silver Surfer figure. I agree that at least one of the people in charge at Wizkids must be a rabid fanboy. We're swamped with Elektra, so we know that we have a Greg Horn-y fan working there, who also read everything Miller. The diamond-hard White Queen indicates that the cover of X-Men with the strapless, kitty-lips Queenie was another favorite at the office. An Arthur Adams fan would go quite a ways to explain the early selection of Mojo and Spiral.

I'm a little stumped, though... if they made a Thanos, they'd have to have read Captain Marvel, Silver Surfer or the Infinity Gauntlet, but if they read any of them, we could've expected Mar-Vell, Drax, or Warlock in the set so far...

Help me out, boys... what did the Wizkids boys read to make the choices they did?

[Loganz]

Man that would REALLY SUCK if WK dosent make Silver Sufer. If any one at WK is reading these posts it should be obvious to you that the fans REALLY want a ss. ALL CLIX PLAYERS UNIT AS ONE TO BRING ABOUT THE CREATION OF THE SLIVER ONE AS WE ONCE DID FOR THE GOLDEN AVENGER.

[DCFan#1]

I don't buy one word of this, not for a second.

First off, Wizkids have never mentioned a figure by name in any article and that they would not make said figure. I don't think they'll start doing that now.

I challenge anyone with half a brain to think about this for a moment. Wizkids knows that a figure like Surfer equals big money. Would they turn away money? Seriously? Why are they in business again?

-Rich

[eshuroger]

I don'tr even think he'd be that difficult to do, though he'd be very similar to the OWAW Superman. Hypersonic Speed, Invulnerability, Flight, good range. Nothing undoable about that. A toned down version with Running Shot instead of Hypersonic Speed might be an REV (again sounding uncannily like Superman, except that his REV versions hopefully won't suck).

[CoolJerk]

First off, let me vote Yes for Silver Surfer as a Unique, probably around the 200 pt. range.

Secondly, DCFan#1 stole my thunder.

Regardless of if this thread's origin is based in fact or not... or if the WizKids dude was intentionally spreading disinformation or not... it stands to reason that any company involved in capitalism wants to make money.

So are they going to NOT make a Surfer just because he'd be "too powerful?" What logic is that?

The only reasons I can possibly think of for WizKids to NOT make a Surfer Clix is:

A) Marvel sold the ownership rights for Silver Surfer to Archie Comics today,
B) Silver paint is in high demand over here in America for the war effort,
C) They don't have any Silver Surfer comics for source material (and they all forget that he's a bald guy without ears or back hair, wears Jockeys and flies on a large, silver tongue depressor), and
D) Because they'd have to send out an email memo to all their staff and volunteers to "look out for the 200-pt. Silver Surfer -- he might make tourneys difficult to referee."

I'm leaning toward the fact that WizKids will indeed release a Surfer, but maybe in a year/after maybe two more expansions. If WizKids released ALL the fan faves in three or four sets (i.e Venom, Ghost Rider, Namor, etc.), then the fifth set would be headlined by the Skrull Kill Crew, Triathlon, Man-Thing, Moon Knight and Patsy Walker.

It's all about anticipation, and it's all about making money. I have a friend who doesn't give a wipe about X-Men, but he's gonna buy up a bunch of Xplosion boosters looking for Iron Man and all his related adversaries. Same thing will happen when Surfer comes out. He'll be making sure all those Morlocks and Alpha Flight dudes he'll be packaged with get a happy home.

[bam]

C'mon wizkids game designers,

we deserve the silver surfer as a unique or even a mail away LE. especially if we are going to see a 160 point elektra.
don't miss out on the opportunity to make some cash. A surfer could lead into a cosmic expansion set with the shiar, kree, inhumans, the titans (thanos, eros, mentor etc,) the other heralds of galactus (airwalker, nova- frankie raye, terrax the tamer, and morg) top it off with a new galactus big fig combined with a new map.

ol' chromedome could be similar to the LE superman. It would be fair to give this character impervious at 15 for 4 clix then some super-senses at 19 defense before bottoming out at 14 with regeneration at the end.
the attack values would be high with some superstrength (he can lift over 100 tons like thor and hulk) This could be represented towards the beginning of his clix.
I figure if a robot like ultron can have a 13 attack so could the surfer. the damage wouldn't have to be insane like the other guys. 3s and 2s and (1s boosted by rce) would be great. perplex could be arguable since he is just so darn fast (and as longwinded as reed richards.)
Hypersonic speed would be mandatory for at least half of his life then you could set him up with force blast.
a 10 range with 3 bolts is cool but two is fair considering supes only has one.
I hope that this gives you guys and gals some inspiration for making what we want to see. ;)

[I Am The Game]

Don't make fun, CoolJerk, "Whoever knows fear burns at the Man-Thing's touch." I thought you guys all wanted CCE in Marvel...! :P

[Arrowhead2000]

No they shouldn't make a silver surfer come on imagine what they would give him they would have like a war of the worlds superman times two it would be unfair unless they make him like they made the sentinel which i tought was pretty bad and stupid so my answer to this is that silver sufer is unfair if you want a character like him play with a superman

[Deadpool91]

yes! give us the silver surfer, prob in the unique form

[UltraMANOS]

If they can give us a Superskrull, Firelord, Thanos,and other insanley powerful figures in this game then they can give us a Silver Surfer, too powerful!!!, Look atDr. Doom, come on Wizkids:rolleyes: , what are you afraid to make tooooo much money:p

[ludd_gang]

Jon Leitheusser interview in Inquest #90 page 89, in regards to CT:

"No Surfer just yet...."

Doesn't sound very negative to me.

Perhaps if lastchance could better describe this conference where they let you freely fiddle with all of the Xplosion figs. Not to say it sounds dubious, but it does sound dubious. I mean, WK is so tight-lipped about upcoming figs, I can't imagine they would entertain such a Q & A session.

I don't think power level would keep any fig this side of Galactus from being made.

[FrostedOne]

The Silver Surfer needs to be made! I doubt I would ever use him... but, HE NEEDS TO BE MADE!!!

[Eric Qel-Droma]

The Surfer is NOT THAT POWERFUL...

...if they make him as the "stuck on earth" version from pre-Silver Surfer Vol 2, Iss 1!

For those of you who don't remember, before about 1987, the Silver Surfer was trapped on Earth by Galactus after the Surfer's betrayal of Galactus. The barrier greatly reduced his power levels and abilities. For example, once free of his prison (it was actually the board that was affected, not the Surfer himself), the Surfer himself remarked that "So much is possible on this side of the barrier!" (SS v2i1, 1987?)

Because of this, WizKids has two very plausible options:

1) Make the Surfer in a form somewhere in the neighborhood of Thor's pointage, with the Vet being up around 200-pts. These figs (save possibly the last one) would all be earth-bound. Rookie: No team, 99 pts. Exp: Defenders (to match the blue dials of our other Defenders), 140 pts. Vet: FF, 195 pts.

2) Make a post-barrier Surfer in Unique form and make him somewhere in the 250-point range. Give him Hypersonic Speed for a few clicks to represent both the NOVA-rescue from SS v2i1 and his Gauntlet run in Infinity Gauntlet #4. SPIDER-MAN TEAM (He's worked with EVERYONE at this point!). Besides, how can there be a Silver Surfer without a Silver Ring?

Then there are two other ideas that they need to keep in mind:

A) Do R/E/V in one set and U in the next...

B) Give us NOVA! Not only is she a third Herald, giving us a trio, but she also has serious ties to the Fantastic Four. She'd make a great replacement for Vet Invisible Woman or the Thing (don't have her replace the Torch, despite appearances--they were a thing (no pun intended), for goodness' sake!) or the OVER-PRICED Mr. Fantastic!

So, to sum up:

1) Everyone here wants a Surfer. Not a big fig, just a "little surfer, little one..."

2) There are several Surfer-related options, all of which would provide cool diversity to the game.

3) Nova (not New Warriors boy, but the cool one) should be a unique (but with a Gold Ring just to match!)

Now, WK: Go for it!

Eric

[cyberdragon]

There was a cool thread out there that I can't find anymore where people could cast their vote for the top 10 figs they want to see in Marvel HeroClix.

Silver Surfer came in first place with over 125 votes.

Just make him! :mad:

Please. :(

[WarHULK]

My question is this... how can you make the Defenders a team if you never plan on making one of the founding members? My vote is obviously for a Silver Surfer... My Defenders need a serious boost which includes Namor and the Shiny one.

[Kudger]

I agree that the stuck on earth versions would be best, with a "freed" unqiue for the finish. The surfer is very powerful but not ridiculously so, read some Thor comics, especially the one where he beat Ego and then decide who's more powerful.

[CosmicTom]

It's true that an accurate depiction of Silver Surfer would clean house, but in my sight Silver Surfer is the greatest of all comic book super heroes, and I'd pay anything to get my hands on the "Sentinel of the Spaceways"! Even if he has to cost 400 points! Perhaps make him like big-fig, that you can purchase seperately, and who is made out of metal or something cool like that.

At least a toned down version should be made, ASAP! Think of early on when he was confined to Earth by Galactus. Give him the Defenders power to reflect this phase in his career!

I need Norrin Radd!

[jay_of_titan]

WhizKids should make a Silver Surfer clix, but unique. However, to do means getting an ok from Stan Lee, not Marvel. As a gift to Stan, he was given the rights to any character, he chose Silver Surfer. To make a figure it must be ok with him, and with the Exsulsior (or whatever) mess who knows.

On a side note:
1) Nova was Galactus' 5th herald (Surfer, Airwalker, Firelord &Terrax)
2) The Thanos we got was like a rookie version or something. Thanos is more than just a brute (and doesn't fly). He schemes & plans to take people down. He led space armadas & teleports around (phasing).
3) Whizkids must have something planned. There are only 4 Defenders, why make the team if you can't make all of them? It'd be like the FF with out Invisible Woman.

[Namor]

Silver Surfer
Range=10
Arrows=2
12 11 10 10 9 9 9 8 8 8
12 10 10 10 10 9 9 9 8 8
18 17 16 16 16 15 15 14 13 10
2 2 3 3 3 2 2 1 1 1

That is how he should be made in a veteran or unique form. (flying with the Defenders team ablity.)

[Spy Master]

Nice and very usable and yet not too powerful , similiar to Firelord and yet different , i like it

how could they not make a surfer , its just not the marvel way

[Klarc Quente]

We have Firelords at 66, 81 and 97 points and they say that they cannot make a Silver Surfer... that's laughable! And a 185 point Thanos is out and they say Surfer is too powerful... don't make me "laugh" (oh.. that means cry) more because I can't handle it!

So, what else can I say? MAKE SILVER SURFER!!!

[Namor]

Man I should work for Wizkids, I have so many ideas and im pretty good at making stats. I hope they make the Surfer and Namor (make a unique Sub-Mariner with the Minions of Doom team ablity and slighty stronger.). If they do make Silver Surfer I doubt that they would mess up on him, Wizkids has been doing a great job with the game (with a few exceptions, like spider-man, daredevil, magneto, and captain america.). You can be sure that they will redo these characters with thier proper stats, it takes time to perfect anything but they are getting close.

[Spy Master]

I agree Klarc , Silver Surfer is most definitely between those figures somewhere. Even they have to admit that they are just stalling and being uninfomative. Everything in the set screams for him , thats right i said screams. He was a staple comic line for yrs for marvel. Every comic book fan knows or has heard of him. It is time for him to be made in any form. Even if hes a knock off of firelord it will be a good start.

[DarthZaius]

Making a special Cosmic Powers set with its own set of special rules will probably be the only way to really make it work.

[Klarc Quente]

Originally posted by DarthZaius
Making a special Cosmic Powers set with its own set of special rules will probably be the only way to really make it work.

I can agree with you DarthZaius, but only if they would take out Firelord, Thanos and some other, like maybe Thor out of Heroclix and say that they only work with the "special Cosmic Powers set"... otherwise, MAKE SILVER SURFER... and make it to play with the other heroclix we already have.

So... MAKE SILVER SURFER NOW!!!

[Thanos]

they have to make the surfer. He is one of the reasons i started reading comic books 20 years ago. I was bummed they didnt have him in IC but then when i heard the 2nd set was FF based it made sense. And then no surfer in that set either.:mad: Surfer must be made and no cheezy hes too powerfull coop outs. Because everyone knows thats bull.

[Thanosied]

This is a no brainer. Another infinity set would so easily be accomplished: Silver Surfer, Terrax, Nova, Adam Warlock, Drax The Destroyer, Pip The Troll, Gamora, The Magus, Thunderstrike(Thor), Namor, Kang, maybe even Mephisto, Good version of Thanos as arch enemy of surfer. Couple all this with new versions of Doctor Strange, Wolverine, Cyclops, IronMan, Doctor Doom, Thing, Captain America and Spider-Man. Wow this set actually looks good too bad Wizkids sux!!!

[alstaire]

WHAT DUH?!!!

No SURFER?! Then what's the use of talking about who's the most powerful Hero ever made! Thor vs Supes, Thor vs Surfer....


Give me the surfer!!!

[Heimdall]

Boohoo, no Surfer yet.

I checked my sourcebooks from "Marvel Super Heroes" and came up with some stats and superpowers, which i will use to do a "Mod" made out of rookie Vultures flight base and a repainted Blizzard. I don't have my notices with me now but i will be posting them later. But superpowers included are: Enhancement, Perplex, Energy Explosion, Pulse Wave, Support, Running Shot, Defend, Invulnerability and Running Shot. As the Base of rookie Vulture indicates a cost of 15pts. i will simple write a 2 or 3 in front of it, because i think a Surfer for 215 or 315pts. would be o.k.

Heimdall

[Lonehawk]

A few truths...

1) Who said there won't be a Surfer. Can we have a name please? Without names this is a rumour and should be treated with at least mild suspicion.

2) Why haven't the moderators moved this to Rumour Mill?

3) The Surfer can be designed within the constraints of the game, but he won't be a true reflection of the character we love (or hate). He will cost more than Firelord though...

4) The Surfer WILL appear (license permitting), approximately when Heroclix sales start to plateau.

5) All the Surfer fans who say they will accept a weaker version of him 'just for the sculpt' will be the first ones in line to complain that he has been hosed by the designer.


I for one am happy to wait for him to appear and remain confident that WK are not insane and will not want to miss the opportunity to make big £££ (or $$$ for most of you) when he is released.

And more importantly, does anyone know if the Beast is going to be normal guy with big feet or blue and furry?

[cyberdragon]

Posted By Lonehawk

4) The Surfer WILL appear (license permitting)...


IMO, this I fear may be the biggest hirdle. Licensing. Although Stan Lee is not McFarlane, there could be issues, and, potentially less money for Marvel and WK.

[Xanth]

Originally posted by Lonehawk

2) Why haven't the moderators moved this to Rumour Mill?



Consider it done. Sometimes it takes a while for one of us to catch things on the site.

[Doomtoy]

Pffffft.

"Too powerful?"

Are we talking about the same Surfer that got flattened by the Thing with ONE PUNCH in the story where Galactus first appeared?

I don't have access to WizKids' information on this topic... but I'd find it very hard to believe that they are simply never going to do a Surfer figure on the grounds of "too powerful."

Hell, I wouldn't even give the surfer Hypersonic. I'd give him one heckuva Speed score, though. Running Shot, certainly. A fairly nasty Damage score. Toughness, not invulnerability or imperviousness. A hellacious Defense on his first couple clicks. As I recall, the Surfer was pretty potent UNTIL he'd taken a couple of stiff whacks with the uh-oh stick, and then he tended to fold fairly quickly. The trick generally lay in HITTING him.

I'd go with an insane defense score, that's all. Perplex would be able to nail him, and that's true to the comics as well.

The Surfer could be made for less than 200 points, easy.

About Stan Lee: Lee does not own Marvel Comics, nor has he ever. He also does not own the Silver Surfer.

The fact of the matter is that the Surfer was Lee's fave character, and that he did write the original Surfer series when the Surfer got his own book... but he doesn't own the character, to my knowledge.

So: what we have here is a game with Marvel characters, right? There HAD to be certain characters in the first set: Spidey, Hulk, Wolverine, Captain America, and so on. They filled a lot of slots with secondary characters, to save some of the popular ones for expansions.

Next, we had the Fantastic Four set, with the FF, Doom, Doombots, and so on, as well as some neat uniques!

Soon, we'll have Xplosion, filling in some missing X-Men slots, as well as capitalizing on the Daredevil and Hulk and X-Men craze that we're all hoping will erupt this summer.

That's fine. There's money to be made, and I hope they make plenty. I'm prepared to be patient.

...but the Surfer is there... and I'm fairly sure they'll wanna do him at least once before they lose the license. Maybe as a special mail in promo, for a couple hundred Clix points or something... (evil laugh)

...and while they're at it, I hope they do the Sub-Mariner, too. Hey, he was one of the original flagship characters! Oldest character in the Marvel universe! Come on, people!

[onew0rd]

I vote YES to Silver Surfer!

[cyberdragon]

Posted by Doomtoy


About Stan Lee: Lee does not own Marvel Comics, nor has he
ever. He also does not own the Silver Surfer.

Although Stan Lee has never owned Marvel, someone posted that he owns rights to SS.

If that's true, and I have no way of confirming that, then the licensing issue becomes more important to me than the power level.

And maybe WK is trying to get out of it by bringing up the power level issue?

PURE speculations! :)

[Doomtoy]

Stan Lee hasn't worked for Marvel in years. He's semiretired, from what his book says. He still acts as a pitchman and jolly corporate symbol, from time to time, but he isn't technically a Marvel employee, although he gets a stipend from them. Kind of a pension thing.

Perhaps I am wrong. It is known that when Stan Lee was in charge at Marvel, he would not allow anyone to revive the Silver Surfer comic, or to write for the character. The Surfer wasn't seen much in Marvel continuity until Stan went west to found Marvel Entertainment, in the late seventies.

Since then, the Surfer has appeared occasionally. In those appearances, he has not been written by Stan Lee.

In particular, the Surfer played a major role in the Infinity Gems crisis, the situation that put Thanos on the HeroClix map. Stan did not write this series.

I must therefore conclude one of two things:

1. Stan Lee does not own the Silver Surfer.
2. Stan Lee DOES own the Silver Surfer, and the minions of a large New York corporation are dispatched to the west coast every single time some comic-book writer thinks it would be neat to use the Silver Surfer, in order to get Stan's permission and input.

I find #2 pretty unlikely.

But perhaps I am wrong.

[cyberdragon]

I hope you're wrong.

Because then the only apparent reason why WK would not make SS would be that they deem him to powerful. Say what!?

If, for marketing reasons, they wait until the very last set to make him, that's fine. I can live with that. But not to do him at all wouldn't make much sense in my opinion. For all the reasons stated in this thread.

Cheers.

[Lonehawk]

Maybe if someone makes a Silver Surfer film we might see him?
Has any of you Hollywood types any insight on this ever happening?

If it did then Denzel should get the job!

[StellarX]

At the risk of stating the obvious:

The latest poll update shows the MARVEL top ten most wanted as:

123 Votes: Silver Surfer
119 Votes: Venom
099 Votes: Beast *
083 Votes: Ghost Rider
070 Votes: Sub-Mariner (Namor)
069 Votes: Angel/Archangel
067 Votes: Punisher
065 Votes: Iceman *
059 Votes: Deadpool
057 Votes: Carnage

* asterisked characters 'rumoured' to be in the Xplosion set.

Are ya listenin' Wizkids????

Pretty-please with sugar lumps and a cherry on top.

[ORION-TREVORAN]

123 Votes: Silver Surfer


You add 24 to the Silver Surfer and We are not the biggests fans of him in Lyon !!!

we want THE SILVER SURFER !! PLEASE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Even if he is not as strong as in the comics !!!!!!!!

[AdamWarlock]

I don't see how it got into their minds at wizkids that Surfer is too powerful to make into the game. Some points on his power level to put it all into perspective:

*THANOS and DARKSEID are in the game, and at less points than Veteran or LE Superman. THANOS & DARKSEID both are more powerful than superman without a doubt, and they come in at lower points. They are also more powerful than Silver Surfer. Surfer had on multiple occastions gone toe to toe with Thanos and perhaps even come out slightly ahead in the end, but oftentimes his advantage is a misleading concept and in fact Thanos is using it to his advantage that his opponent THINKS he has an edge. But anyway... Surfer really isn't more powerful than them, and they were each in the premiere sets of their respective comic universes. Enough said there.

*Surfer's powers stem from being a Herald of Galactus. All of Galactus' heralds were given the same power cosmic and cosmic awareness, and all of them (except for perhaps Nova) are just about evenly matched on the power scale (though not the experience scale, as, again, Surfer's years of experience would make him absolutely clobber Nova and Air Walker without a doubt, and would probably in the end even take out Firelord & Terrax. With that name having been said, FIRELORD is in the game, too. On a power level, he and Surfer should by all rights be pretty evenly matched. FIrelord's powers are more offensive, surfer's are more defensive. That's just what Surfer should be. He should have some invulnerability, some super senses, long range, defend, SUPPORT, and maybe a little ranged combat expert, but not much. Surfer could be to the defensive player what Firelord is to the bloodthirsty, "take no prisoners" tournament opportunists. If wizkids made him with this "surfer is a healer, not a warrior" concept in mind, he most certainly wouldn't be this amazingly devestating figure they are worrying about.

*The Defenders team ability made its debut in Marvel's premiere set. As a team that newer comic readers won't be familiar with, they are obscure. They also had a very limited roster, initially of a mere 4 members (Strange, Hulk, Surfer, Namor). I don't think they'd have put this ability into the game is they never intended to create one of the 4 main figures in the team; especially when any others they can call in who were members at other points (Valkrie, Nighthawk, Gargoyle...) are jokes (if they are remembered at all) in the current comic environment. This wouldn't quite as bad if they'd made Moondragon, another cosmic entity (though nowhere near on par with Surfer) a defenders member like she should have been (since she WAS a member and they are so starved for more, especially if WK sticks by it that they won't make surfer)...

I just really don't think Surfer should be this terrifying force if they made him. Rationalize the stats and cost a bit...

He flies. Duh.

Range: He should have up to a 10, but they could limit him to 8 like Firelord just to keep him down a bit. He should really have 2 targets.

Speed: Surfer is one FAST guy. They could make him the 2nd figure in the game to have hypersonic speed w/ a ranged attack (the first being LE Superman), or they could just give him running shot. I'd be fine with either.

Attack: Surfer is a powerhouse, but when you get right down to it he's a poor fighter and somewhat of a pacifist if there is any way at all that he can avoid conflict. With this in mind, I'd give him the Batman approach of maintining his decent numbers for a while unlike guys whose stats drop like a rock when you hit them, but his numbers should start fairly low; say at a maximum of 10. As for attack SA's, he could warrant Super Strength, Energy Explosion, Incapacitate... 2 target EE or Incapacitate could justify putting him in the high cost echelon of Kang (for 10 range double incapacitate) and Ultron (double/triple EE), only he should be able to actually justify his cost, unlike Kang.

DEFENSE: I dont' know how to work this one... he should have VERY high defense numbers that stay high (starting 18, dropping slowly to no lower than 13), and he should stay alive a long time (9-11 straight clicks). As for abilities... I don't know which ones to give him or what order. He could do invulnerability (toughness doesn't cut it), defend, deflection, willpower, super senses... maybe 2 clicks of each if his dial is 10 deep. Start with invulnerability, then defend, super senses, deflection, and then willpower at the end of his dial.

DAMAGE: He can do every bit as much as Firelord I'm sure, but he should really be a more peaceful, punch-pulling sort of guy. I'd be totally ok with it if he did'n't get any ranged combat expert and just had 1-3 clicks at 3 damage, then the rest at 2. he needs to have support, as he is a healer. He could warrant Enhancement also. Really I'd be fine with him having ranged combat expert too, but I'm saying I would be ok with it if they made him without, too. If they DID give it to him, his damage with it should be no more than 2 for a maximum of 4 damage at range.

Unless they give him the hypersonic speed, I think he could easily come in at a reasonable, not at all unfair to use under-200 point figure.

[Lonehawk]

Here we go then

Silver Surfer - range 10, 1 arrow, Unique

SPEED 16 14 13 13 12 11 10 9 8 7
ATTACK 11 10 9 9 8 8 7 7 6 6
DEFENSE 18 18 17 16 16 15 15 14 14 13
DAMAGE 4 4 3 3 3 3 3 2 2 2

all for an approximate cost of 185 points.

Notes:
1) for game balance range was restricted to 10 and a single arrow - with running shot this gives him a range of 18 on turn 1 so he still can't hit from setup (unless you are so cheesy that you taxi or TK him)

2) No hypersonic speed - do you have any idea how much he would cost with it?

3) No RCE, but decent damage which works better with running shot in any case.

4) No super strength ( but decent damage). SS is a ranged attacker and EE seemed more appropriate.

5) I don't expect anybody to agree with this version, but it catches the flavour of SS and proves that it CAN be done.

Oh, and he would whup FL's a@@@

[lastchance]

Uh, I was the one who originally started this post and just for the record (once more) I was there when the other gentlemen asked if Surfer was going to ever be made. The higher up from Wizkids scoffed at the idea and said that it would be impossible to make him because he supposedly could beat the Fantastic Four and Thor easily. What?! That's exactly what I thought... what!? It really showed me how much these sales types don't know a thing about what the consumer wants. I can definitely say that the amount of fans who have posted on this thread far out weighed my expectations. I'm not too happy to find this under the rumour section all of a sudden (since I and a few others heard from Wizkids own lips there'd be no Surfer), but it's getting the attention it needs. Some of the fans have even said that Wizkids is not stupid enough not to know that Surfer would make them big money, but I disagree (obviously). The answer to the question about Surfer in the first place brought terror and disappointment to alot of faces at this meeting. Trust me, you'd be suprised at what Wizkids actually has planned for Heroclix, that's all I can say. I and my friend certainly were very suprised. It

[lastchance]

Uh, I was the one who originally started this post and just for the record (once more) I was there when the other gentlemen asked if Surfer was going to ever be made. The higher up from Wizkids scoffed at the idea and said that it would be impossible to make him because he supposedly could beat the Fantastic Four and Thor easily. What?! That's exactly what I thought... what!? It really showed me how much these sales types don't know a thing about what the consumer wants. I can definitely say that the amount of fans who have posted on this thread far out weighed my expectations. I'm not too happy to find this under the rumour section all of a sudden (since I and a few others heard from Wizkids own lips there'd be no Surfer), but it's getting the attention it needs. Some of the fans have even said that Wizkids is not stupid enough not to know that Surfer would make them big money, but I disagree (obviously). The answer to the question about Surfer in the first place brought terror and disappointment to alot of faces at this meeting. Trust me, you'd be suprised at what Wizkids actually has planned for Heroclix, that's all I can say. I and my friend certainly were very suprised. It's obvious to us that if we're going to see more things for Heroclix, then it's up to us (the fans) and that's it. Surfer is a definite need for Heroclix!

[Lonehawk]

Who said it?

If there were lots of horrified faces then why haven't we had confirmation from anyone else there. I can't believe they are all frightened that they will be identified.

Give us something substantial!!!

[jay_of_titan]

In the last six months or Wizard did report the info that Stan Lee was given the rights to Surfer as gift when he left (also the - Stan Lee Presents: line in all (or most )Marvel comics too). Eventually he allowed others to create thier own surfer stories, entire volume 3 surfer series (143 issues). But that is the major reason you never see the Surfer in comics anymore. It has been like 2 or 3 years and then only like 2 issues (he was killed-the returned).

**As far as heralds go, Surfer was the first, final, longest, most gifted & most loved by Galactus. He was chosen so that in the end he would be able to kill Galactus, but still stay with him in his end.

[stanleylee]

I'd add a hearty UK vote for the Surfer . I might suggest that he's akin to a veteran GL in power levels , and certainly agree with the 'pacifist not warrior' approach to the character ( which would naturally temper his stats if Wizkids wished .... )

And anyhow , he's one of my Top 30 ' Dream List ' ... and I can't see Wizkids would want to disappoint ME by not producing one .

Would they ?

[Annihillus]

I need to have a Silver Surfer. And a Namor. But the latter is a discussion for another day...

[Glorfindel]

Of course they have to make the Silver Surfer!!!! How could they not? Along with Namor. They are the other core members of the Defenders.

[StellarX]

With regard to the too-powerful argument:

Aren't we supposed to be getting some pineapple-flavoured 'Phoenix' pretty soon?

Q.E.D.

[PashaJoshua]

Give me my Razzafraggin Silver Surfer already!

[lukebuchanan]

I must concur that a bit more proof is needed, and let's say that everything that you've reported is 100% true (thanks for it, by the way) then I think we are seeing a case where WK is drumming up a little excitement by rustling some feathers. It's all in the interest of publicity in order to get support and the word out. Hell, now they have a 6 page long chat about a character being molded into tiny plastic. I have no doubt the conventioneer was pulling our collective legs. But then again this could be an elaborate hoax by you to get attention on the character. Either way is fine, but if you're going to post things like "I saw the whole set" then maybe you should share something a little more substantial. LIKE RIGHT NOW.

LUKE SMASH

[Ghost_Rider]

This is hilarious. A multi-page thread whining About Silver Surfer not ever being made, and WE HAVEN'T SEEN THE NEXT SET YET!

And really, after Todd Marrone and Dr_Lyu, I never will believe anything anybody says on these boards and you shouldn't either. So many people claim they have "a reliable source" and it's just a bunch of BS.

Ghost

[WytchKnight]

Inquest 87 (?) the one with the limited edition Green Lantern will have a huge Qand A with wizkids. One of their preview questions that advertises the magazine is " Where the heck is Silver Surfer?" So maybe we will get an "official" answer in a few months.

[Nathorod]

I'm a real comic book fan. I play Heroclix for the character and it don't worry me to have a character with 300 point value. I'll play it as my complete team.

You can make a unique Silver Surfer in a package like Sentinel or Sinestro (exept that Silver Surfer will be standard size) and I'll buy it 10$ (It will cost 15$ in Canada but I'll buy it!)

Other character like Parallax or Beyonder has to be made too.

Hey Wizkids, don't worry, too powerfull character won't come out of their package to kill you!

And fan will be happy and you'll make money...

[Ghost_Rider]

Well, Inquest is about as reliable as toddmarrone...

Ghost

[JayThor]

For what it is worth, I vote "YES" to a Silver Surfer clix. Even if its a unique.

[Ian_Cormack]

WE need a surfer heroclix !

[Aron]

Yes

[bizzirini]

The Defenders need the Surfer!! Please Wizkids, make the SURFER!!!!

Chant with me people!
WE NEED THE SURFER! WE NEED THE SURFER!

[Random]

I'd sure pay to get him!

[The Sandman]

They could easily make SS. As for those who somehow rate Thanos and Darkseid as much more powerful than Superman, then tell me why can Supes stand toe to toe with Darkseid and usually win? Surfer has been knocked around by Thing, Thor has beat him up. If they can make Thor, Supes, Thanos, Darkseid, and Firelord, then SS is no big deal. As for him being equal to his other Heralds, that is incorrect, Galactus himself stated he made SS more powerful (maybe not much, but more). My guess (if it ever gets created) would be equal or slightly higher (depending if they do that stupid array of powers that simply pump up costs) of the Superman R/E/V. Leaving his vet to be in the 230 range.

[Pip the Troll]

SILVER SURFER for sure

i havnt read all the posts but i did read the first one and a verry important issue was brought up

They say that silver surfer is too powerful, however Thanos has been made and he can and has mopped the floor with the surfer, Thanos is more powerful than the surfer, (even tho he was toned down powerwise) he is still usable in a game.

Even Thor is almost if not on par with Silver Surfer powerwise.

So if they've made Thanos and Thor, i say thye have no xcuse not to make Silver Surfer.

Oh and i didnt even mention SUperman....... and hes been made.

anywyas come on wizkids we want our hero's eh :)
keep up the good work
cheers

[shin-goji]

Ok, let's put aside the fact that WK doesn't want to make a Silver Surfer at this time.

If he gets released, and if his stats closely mirror a certain cotton candy q-tip who sends your fellow clix-ers into a tizzy, would you be happy>

Firelord is a herald of Galactus. He's supposed to be powerful and awe-inspiring. WK has probably been getting daily flak from fans about Firelord and sure as heck wouldn't want to give the fans anything else to loose their minds about. And Surfer is supposed to be more powerful than FL.

Next topic: The Silver Surfer's powers are so varied and so powerful, that it would be impossible to accurately represent them on a clix. You can't accurately represent Rogue with Super Strength AND Steal Energy at the same time, even though she has both at the same time. You can't fit both powers on the same spot at the same time. Silver Surfer would be lit up like a Christmas tree to even get close to how the power cosmic is represented, and would be more expensive that Our Whoppers At War Superman.

Next Topic: Even if they load up Surfer with more colors on his dial than crayons in a box, you won't be happy with him. They've released four versions of Spider-Man [REV, Black Suit, 6 Arm, Web Shield] and fans are STILL not happy with him and suggest or demand future changes.

When you take all three of these factors, I don't see a Sufer in the immediate future. If one shows up, I'll be surprised, but happy.

[bizzirini]

I don't think it's the power of Firelord that people are un-happy with, it's the fact that he is so cheap for those powers. If you add 100 pts to each version of Firelord, I think that makes him more fair. He's still powerfull as hell, but so is Ultron. We've also seen other heroes(and villians) that haven't had all of their supposed powers made, and are playable. If they make him a unique, I think most people would be happy. Even if he is over 200pts.

[shin-goji]

I can respect your point, but WK and even people like me and azs agree that while FL is cheesy, he's got an accurate point cost. BTW, my roomate has been a FL fan since the beginning, even before Hero-Clix, and says all the FL whiners can...uhm...kiss his big black...patootey...dammit Space Hojo why did you make me say that...?

[Ashlar38]

Silver Surfer - my favorite!

I even ordered (and rec'd today) a 8.25" tall Galactus fig by Toy Biz for scenarios! Comes with its own Silver Surfer - like fig in a clear ball in ~Clix size - I'll be modding it this weekend!

[justincredible]

Wizkids should have a "cosmic" theme expansion with Eternity, Celestials, Adam Warlock, Silver Surfer, Galactus, Shi'ar crew, etc. etc. the big fig should be Galactus or Ego ( a big living planet )

give the Wizkids staff some time... they do need time to play with their Ferraris and Hummers, and relax in their multi million dollar mansions.

[shin-goji]

You know that Eternity AND the Celestials would all be big figs, right?

[Doom's herald]

Silver Surfer is definately doable, even as a R/E/V.

His rookie would represent him when he was first confined to earth. He should have the fantastic four team ability, since originally he only appeared in their stories. He would still be over a hundred points.

His experienced version would be closer to the 200 pt range and give the Defenders some much needed firepower.

His veteran version should be at or maybe even over 200pts and might resemble V Superman. Not that he's the best candidate for a Marvel version of a superman fig, but since we don't have one yet I'd say that surfer is the best candidate.

[CarlosMucha]

Silver Sulfer in boar

I think could be in 1 booster put 2 figures and Silver (of course Unique)

What you think

(because i dont wanna the Sulfer without boar or with 1 very small boar) o small Sulfer!)

Carlos

[Logan185]

Surfer can be made if he has similar stats as OWAW Superman. Make him roughly 250 points and let the carnage begin! I would LOVE to square off two characters with hypersonic speed that can do considerable damage without a close combat hypersonic attack. Hell, just make him a mail-away offer like the alternate versions of Wolverine and Superman.

[Aron]

20 hypersonic

Flight

11 or 12 attack (held consistent over his dial never dropping below 9 on his last click)

19 defense with invuln - dropping to 10 over 10 or 11 clicks

10 range

4 flat damage

or 4 damage and psy blast for 3 clicks (representing the power cosmic - but with 4 at least he can smack around medics and such)

Willpower near the end of his dial

basically just high *Consistent* stats, invuln, toughness later on (after say 4 or 5 clicks) and major speed

with different team abilities (FF, Defenders, none) or wildcard for him as a unique

[Gregor Bond]

Yes, make a silver surfer, even in a weaker version.

[hievolutionary]

whatta bunch of moroons!i can't believe they'd go and leave out the surfer.who cares if he's overpowered/underpowered that didn't stop 'em on firelord or thanos.sure we all ##### about that kinna stuff(at least i do:D )but that's why we're all lamer for it.we're like trekkies or some other overaged dorkladen pop cult.(and if your still young well here's where u end up kiddies)so come on wizkidz.we've built an entire culture for your game to flourish and thrive.the surfer's essential to our daily lives.don't be the buzzkill of the party.break out your surfer funk and get the party started.;)

[Fogs]

Hey LASTCHANCE - have you made any attempt to draw this thread to Wizkids attention? Did you get a reply, or any evidence they've checked it out?

[MrFixit]

Sufer is obviously too powerful...but very much wanted and needed....I dont think anyone would mind a toned down Surf....maybe make him a regular character instead of a unique...to make him more playable(highly unlikely) but still it would be nice too see...I hope we get enough response to make them make one...cuz thats probably one of the most talked about "what if" characters.

[musicjoeuk]

i have no idea about the silver surfers powers.

but, i am intending to make a silver surfer custom figure, this friday.

can anyone tell me what powers he should have?

i know what he looks like, but should i paint him silver? or white with blue tinges?

i'll probably go for silver all over for ease

if someone posts a dial i'll use the info and try to make a dial sticker.

should i make him a defender?

kind regards Joe

[Spidey's Clone]

There has gotta be a silver surfer!!! He's one ofmy favorites.

:(

[JayThor]

Originally posted by musicjoeuk
i have no idea about the silver surfers powers.

but, i am intending to make a silver surfer custom figure, this friday.

can anyone tell me what powers he should have?

i know what he looks like, but should i paint him silver? or white with blue tinges?

i'll probably go for silver all over for ease

if someone posts a dial i'll use the info and try to make a dial sticker.

should i make him a defender?

kind regards Joe
The Silver Surfer wields the power cosmic, which is nearly limitless in what it can be made to do. He can create anything he can think of, empower anyone, heal any type of damage. He is highly invulnerable, extremely strong, can fly at lightspeed, and fire energy blasts stronger than any other hero, and most villians (Galactus, his creator, has stronger bolts, as would the Stranger). He was a Defender since Defenders #2, with many appearances with the team over the years, so I would make him a Defender. Besides, with the high defense he should have (18-19 to start) he would be great to stand next to if you are E Iceman. I hope this helps.

[musicjoeuk]

here's a link to the dial for my custom silver surfer figure



http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/musicjoeuk/vwp?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&.dnm=silver+surfer+dial.jpg&.view=t&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/musicjoeuk/lst%3f%26.dir=/My%2bPhotos%26.src=ph%26.view=t


i'll appreciate any feedback, is he too cheap? should he be even tougher? or is he too tough?
i'm toying with the idea of giving him 12 range for ranged combat, and more distance on his move, the DC Flash unique has 20 hypersonic speed, would this be better for the surfer too?
i haven't given him healing, i've given him regeneration, is this right?

should be a picture of a figure by friday night latest.

kind regards Joe

[Hellboy]

They have got to be kidding! This is a super powers game! I'm infuriated and flabbergasted! I want a Silver Surfer so bad my ears are bleeding. The Defenders should have both him & Namor already, and now they'll never make him? This is like getting dumped after buying an exspensive dinner. They better turn around on this decision quick before they lose players. I can feel my purchases slowing already.

[JayThor]

I think he should have 11 clicks. Your HSS ranks are good enough. U Flash is a one trick pony, not a powerhouse like SS.
2 clicks of him doing 5 damage, with another Inv. would make him the most accurate. I wouldn't use EE, but Pulsewave might fit better. He could have Support, but the Defender team ability will act as Support, in a sense.

[freakyfraser]

Add me to the Silver Surfer band wagon. When IC came out the first thing I wanted was a complete Defenders team of Dr. Strange, Hulk, Namor & Silver Surfer. When CT was announced as FF based I was sure that both Namor & The Surfer would be in it - but nooooooo! Now (nearly) 3 sets in and still no Surfer (or Namor). Hey JonL, I'm waiting........................

[musicjoeuk]

thanks for that Jay-Thor

ok, I'll add a click, an extra 5 damage, and i'll change Energy Eplosion for Pulse wave.

So you think with a damage of 5 and a move of 20 squares with hypersonic speed would make him a bit too powerful?

I don't play tournies, just occasional games with a mate, and i'm sure he'll let me use my custom surfer, well the first time anyway.


kind regards Joe
:D

[TAO]

The only problem with the logic that the Silver Surfer is too powerful because he is a herald of Galactus is that there already is a HeroClix figure that is a herald of Galactus.
FIRELORD
If they can make Firelord then they should be able to make the SILVER SURFER.

[Rynth]

Silver Surfer is the most powerful of Galactus' heralds, Firelord is one of the weaker ones.

[TAO]

Yes but the veteran Firelord is only 97 points, therefore HeroClix could still justify a Silver Surfer with a higher cost.

[cripp]

that is very dissapointing. I think they could do it. Is he stronger then SUPERMAN?

[GoldenAge]

HeroClix without the Silver Surfer is like pizza without cheese!!!

240 points of space soaring is a must!

[musicjoeuk]

He's gotta be stronger than Supes, remember Batman gave gave Superman a good hiding on more than one occasion (ok, so he had some help, but superman ain't what he used to be)

Joe

[musicjoeuk]

Originally posted by GoldenAge
HeroClix without the Silver Surfer is like pizza without cheese!!!

240 points of space soaring is a must!


Did you check out my custom dial?

look back thru my posts here, there's a link to it. i made the surfer 220 points, the basics for the dial were from someone elses post, and i'm making a custom figure tomorrow.

Joe

(oh, and i know someone (she is very odd, mind) who likes pizza without cheese)

[matman]

How can they make a superman and claim that silver surfer is to strong to make? it just boggles the mind.

[GWH05]

This is one clix that should definatly be made. i mean theyre bringin out freakin apoclypse! he's one of the baddest mofos ever (although i feel they toned him down alot) theyre still bringin him out. They also brought out Dr.Doom (some of u might be saying wha?? what about him) DR DOOM once DEFEATED the silver surfer!!! (he used the power cosmic against the surfer with his armor but still!) and they have freakin magneto! the most powerful mutant of all (in my opinion). So really all im saying is that alot of powerful clix are already out there, why not one more? although they are powered down versions of some characters, it's ok, we just want the character!

[cyberdragon]

If I remember correctly, there was a discussion early on in this thread about Silver Surfer rights being owned by Stan Lee.

IMO, that would be the true reason why SS would not be made: $$$. If that's the case, then I doubt they'd mention it. That would not make them look good in the public opinion.

Hope this is nothing but rumours though... or if it's true that they'll find a way to deal with it.

[Corpse]

Marvel has ####ted on Stan's head for a long time...the only reason he works for them is because he loves the world of heroes he created and helps shape today.

If he has the rights, and they want it to make a clix, I hope he gives them a finger and says F U.

[bluesummers]

Dude, don't even go into that.
I know Marvel as a corp. doesn't always treat Stan the way they should, but hell, he hasn't always been the nicest guy either. I mean, Don't forget the mean #### he did to Kirby back when he still ruled the bullpen.
I think that Stan still has a bit of respect from Marvel, after all, look at the role he plays as producer to the films along with Arad, plus he gets his projects out with them once in a while.
I think the big problem is the corps who took over about seven years ago or so, but I"m hoping current President...the Fleer Dude...is that Jemas? Anyway, that he keeps things civil between Marvel and Stan the Man.

[bluesummers]

Is one of my previous responses missing? I cant find it anywhere! Hmm, typically, if that happens its cuz Wiz sees it and wants something covered up. Could it be that my info was correct?

[musicjoeuk]

here's my first effort to make a silver surfer figure
i've not done his dial yet, and he needs a bit of sanding and shaping still, but i hope you all like.


silver surfer figure proto type (http://uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/musicjoeuk/lst?.dir=/My+Photos&.src=ph&.order=&.view=t&.done=http%3a//uk.photos.yahoo.com/bc/musicjoeuk/lst%3f.dir=/My%2bPhotos)

[JayThor]

What figure did you use? I think that Spiderman has the pose most like someone standing on a surfboard. (I am from Louisiana, what do I know about surfing...):D

[musicjoeuk]

used an avalanche figure

what do i know about surfing?

not much i'm from the uk, but i had a coupla surf lessons at Manly in sydney australia

Joe :D

[JayThor]

That is a couple more than me. I can't even ride a skateboard, much less a surfboard. lol

Good representation.

[cripp]

I know Apocalypse is powerful but how does he stack up to Silver Surfer.

[Noman]

Surfer wins. One shot only needed.

All the Best

Noman

[Basil Elks]

Go Norrin Radd go

[cripp]

so you saying WK can justify a clix for Apocalypse.

[Noman]

I'm saying they both deserve a Clix, but Surfer outguns Apocalypse.

Outwit/RCE/base damage 4/Running Shot with move 12.

Ought to do it.

All the Best

Noman

[feralparrot]

Hey Wizkids!!

There are some figures I cannot wait to play with... at the top of my list is the Silver Surfer!!

I think we all understand about the "too powerful" issue... but your customers still want him... in some form...

Think of him as another Superman... a powerful character that we all want to see and play!

OK... so he's God-like... no biggy... we already have Thor!!

Create a ~250 point character with 11 clicks and let him kick butt!!

We don't mind. :)

I've started a custom Silver Surfer (I have two figures ready to go).

I'll start testing them in my weekend pick-up games. (if my opponents will allow it)

Here's a quick example of one of them...

(The powers listed are "maybe"s, based on the character as I know him... I could be wrong... and probably won't have ALL of them on one dial)

First of 11 "clicks" (only one KO)

Speed - 14 (Running shot/Charge/Force Blast)
Attack - 15 (Sup. Strength/Energy Explosion/Pulse Wave)
Defense - 17 (Imperv/Invul/Tough/Sup. Senses/Willpower)
Damage - 5 (Battle Fury/Ranged Combat Expert/Perplex)

Flying, of course
Range - 10
Shots - 1 or 2
Team - none
Cost - ~250

I'll post pictures as I take em...

FeralParrot

[Captain_Comet]

I don't care what the cost. I want a Silver Surfer.
This is a game after all, geez.

[DocOck13]

Bring on all cosmic creatures
silver surfer
nova
terrax
all captain marvels
comic spidey

[trust7]

Yes to surfer he is a must.

[iwantmaestro]

I see no reason to buy more expansions if the Surfer isnt there!




BRING HIM ON NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[HaroldBaines]

If you have Thanos............. you can have Silver Surfer. Also, why not make it part of a promotion where you can redeem those thousands of coupons on the bottom of the boxes.... you know, the ones that YOUR company told us, "Hey.... save those coupons!!! We will be having a promotion for you guys that do!!" Only to lie to us completely. That would make up for the amount of time and energy we wasted collecting them.

[MikeHintze]

Yes!!! I say yes to Silver Surfer!

To me, my board!

[razz10555]

we absolutley need the surfer, i made one out of a hydra op sanded down to be smooth put him on a oval shaped flyer base with the tip of one of blades swords for the fin, painte the whole thing appropriatly & put him on a owaw superman dial

[OmegaMan]

Why don't they just take the "broken model" already established for heralds of Galactus (read: Cheese Lord) and just make it ridiculous.
I say Silver Surfer should have;
attack value of 14,
peed of 15,
defense of 19 with supersenses all he way down,
energy explosion,
hypersonicspeed,
three prong range attack of 12,
dealing out 4 damage for starts with range combat expert to add on if you want....and he should cost about 53 points, because he won't have any outwit or willpower.

Next up: NOVA for 23 points.

[Bucs]

i dont see why they wont make a silver surfer...they made firelordmso therefore they should make silver surfer

[stylinsid]

give us all the heralds of galactis if not galactis himself