H-SHW Comic Book TOC: DRAX (Power Gem) vs. ORION

[DTM]

Hi all.

Its been a while since Ive done a comics related TOC, so I thought Id make use of the Power Scale Lists that we ALL had a hand in making, and set something up for us all to debate and participate in.

Pretty simple idea, 2 combatants engage one another on a completely neutral, planet-side, battlefield (ala Battleworld from Secret Wars) to Clash against one another, each winner (decided by your votes) moving on to the next Round, which finally a Grand Champion is crowned.

I give you this first of many matches to come:


DRAX (Power Gem) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drax_the_destroyer)

vs.

ORION (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orion_(comics))


So, lets hear from you all on which of these two you think would win, and is deserving to move one step closer to our Final Match of the H-SHW Level TOC!!


Results

Sinestro vs. Thor: Thor (10 - 1)
Beta Ray Bill vs. Wonder Woman: Beta Ray Bill (7 - 2)
Kurse (2X Thor) vs. Legion: Legion (5 - 4)
Allen The Alien (Original Form) vs. Eradicator: Eradicator (6 - 1)
Black Adam vs. Green Lantern (Alan Scott): Black Adam leads (10 - 0)
Captain Marvel (Billy Batson) vs. Green Lantern (Kyle Rayner): TIED (7 - 7)
Gladiator vs. Morg: Morg leads (4 - 1)
Drax (Power Gem) vs. Orion: ??????????

[Gargantua]

Oy. Whoever wins this one, the battlefield's going to be the loser. Two of each universe's toughest bruisers. Both have some energy projection powers but prefer to duke it out. Without the Power Gem, it would be a good fight, but I think it would be Orion's game. With the Power Gem though, I think it'll still be a really good brawl, but the gem'll push Drax over the top and give him the oomph he needs to beat Orion.

Vote Drax.

[DTM]

To me, Orion is one of the worst people in this TOC to fight Drax, as to beat him youre going to need cunning, brains and power together, and Orion is a battle furied War Dog, who is much more likely to just jump in swinging and not stop til one of them is KOed.

Drax has fought solo and held his own against Hulk (granted it was Professor), Thor and Surfer, so I dont think Orion is going to physically overwhelm him. Drax also flies and fires energy blasts as powerful as his fists, so Orion doesnt have the ranged or aerial advantage here either.

Ive always thought of this Drax as a flying, energy blasting Hulk, and I dont think Orion has what it takes to defeat that more than not (his share of wins sure, just not over 50%).

My Vote: Drax

[Magoogles]

Make it three for Drax

[Q99]

To me, Orion is one of the worst people in this TOC to fight Drax, as to beat him youre going to need cunning, brains and power together, and Orion is a battle furied War Dog, who is much more likely to just jump in swinging and not stop til one of them is KOed.

Orion's more than just fury, he can use cunning when he has to. Also, he does have a massive ranged attack, if he focuses on using that I think he'd have a nice edge over Drax.

[DTM]

Hes not really a ranged fighter though, nor is he normally one to keep his cool in a battle. I see him eventually getting in close, and more than not hell lose against Power Gem Drax. Besides, Drax has interstellar fight and vastly powerful ranged attacks himself, so Orion wont have any major advantages even if he simply used his AstroGlider to fly and blast.

[Q99]

He's both of those things when it calls for it, especially in his own series. Believe it or not, he's known for his cunning in battle, and sometimes actually does the rage thing as an *act* to get people to underestimate him.

Besides, Drax has interstellar fight and vastly powerful ranged attacks himself, so Orion wont have any major advantages even if he simply used his AstroGlider to fly and blast.

Drax's range is good, but not Astro-force good.

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I think I'm going to vote Orion. Drax does indeed have more power, but Orion is without a doubt more skilled and better at range. More than not I believe he'll win.

[PaxZRake]

Personally, as much as I love Orion (and I do! I'm a 4thWorld Nerd all the way) I don't see him beating Drax unless he can get the Power Gem away from him.

And he doesn't know where the gem is.

Orion is better than Drax, in all areas that really matter, but he can't wear Drax out. He can't stop Drax. If he had a trick up his sleeve to incapacitate Drax ala how Thanos beat Thor in Blood and Thunder, I'd give it to Orion easy. But he doesn't.

[Q99]

And he doesn't know where the gem is.

Motherbox would likely inform him.

[lensnart]

This is a really tight battle, that I think comes down to a slight edge on either side of natural talent versus intense training. Though I agree that Drax has more in the way of the former, I think this is one instance where knowing what to do with it trumps size.

I think Orion draws on his experience and (mother)box of toys and finds a way to take down the bigger opponent.

Put me down for Orion.

[DTM]

And how often does Orion ask his Motherbox for help while in solo combat? This isnt Mr. Miracle here, its the War Dog, who routinely needs to be calmed down from his fury in a fight, not one who asks his Motherbox "why cant I beat him, help me out". And even then, getting the gem away from Drax is hardly going to be easy (in his many battles with other SHWs, like Hulk, Thor and Surfer, it never happened then).

[Q99]

And how often does Orion ask his Motherbox for help while in solo combat?

In his own series? He did so reasonably often.


This isnt Mr. Miracle here, its the War Dog, who routinely needs to be calmed down from his fury in a fight, not one who asks his Motherbox "why cant I beat him, help me out".

He's the god of war, not the hulk. He does have brains, his anger doesn't prevent him from thinking.

[DTM]

Ive seen him enough times to know hes not going to ask his Motherbox in mid-battle to find out why he cant physically beat Drax. Hes way to proud, arrogant and honorable to have it find a way to "cheat" him out of a solo victory. Someone with a more level head, maybe, someone who knows Drax, OK, but not Orion.

[Q99]

Using a motherbox isn't cheating. Motherbox is a partner, an advisor. New Gods love their motherboxes and Orion's no exception (which is why it can keep his rage in check. Also he is using motherbox passively in pretty much every fight, asking or not. Motherbox helps runs the astro-harness and so on). Orion does listen to motherbox's analysis.

[DTM]

To him, to Orion, a Warrior, in solo combat, it is cheating. How do you honestly see this playing out? Mid-battle Orion asks his Motherbox, "why cant I beat him"? Then what, the Motherbox tells him "he has a Cosmic source of virtually unlimited physical power, youre screwed"? Orion has no way to get the Gem out of Drax even IF he asked his Motherbox for help, and I dont even see him doing that.

[lensnart]

I don't think it would be a case of "Motherbox why am I losing," more of "I'm going into battle and my motherbox is going to give me the rundown on this guy," I think the relationship is more of a symbiotic one than it is actively asking for advice. It is second nature for new gods and he would no more think of using his motherbox as cheating as he would think of using his fists as cheating. Saying he wouldn't use it in battle because he would be too proud is like saying Thor wouldn't use his hammer, of course he would use it.

I also don't think this is as one sided a battle as you think on a pure physical level. Granted Drax does have the edge, but Orion is one tough hombre, and I still think his enormous wealth of training and experience (as well as his technology) are enough to give him the edge.

[Magoogles]

I have always had a similar train of thought where the Motherbox is a more passive assistance constantly analyzing and giving Orion updates, new strategies... etc. I juts think that Draw is too much for Orion to handle 1 on 1.

[DTM]

I also dont see Orion getting the Power Gem away from Drax even if Motherbox told him he had it. Hes had many a battle with other SHWs, and never before did it just pop out in the middle of it.

Also, I would equate Orion's Astroglider to Thor's hammer, not his Motherbox, personally. Ive seen several appearances with Orion, and I dont recall him benefiting or overly using his MB to analyze and calculate his opponents weaknesses. Other New Gods may, Orion I generally dont see, as he is much more the hot tempered Warrior than the analztical fighter.