Deathstroke plus Vampirism question.

[ChiRocker]

If I give cr Deathstroke Vampirism (and possibly Armor Piercing) and he makes a close combat attack targeting 4 people on his Blades clicks and rolls a 4-6, would he take 1 click of health for every character he damages?

I don't see any reason why this wouldn't work, and this would be a very fun combo to do on him, and would keep him in the game a pretty long time.

[normalview]

Yep, it'll work just fine.


This was asked a few times when Vampirism was first revealed, but I haven't really seen anyone talk about it for awhile... I wonder if people just aren't using Print-n-Play to get Vampirism?

[Repulsor rage]

Man that is a sick combo im gonna have to try it

[Slayer_Xtreme]

I never saw the older threads about this combo and never put it together myself since I haven't even looked at Deathstroke in a long time but now that I see it that's just plain sick although kind of tough to pull off given the placement of the blades but not to mention its highly situational but it just might be worth it.

[Maraud]

it makes him realy good against Mystics.

I tk'ed him into the middle of some mystics and bladed for 4 aginst 3 of them he healed 3 and took 3.

[TheVagrantKing]

Yep, it'll work just fine.


This was asked a few times when Vampirism was first revealed, but I haven't really seen anyone talk about it for awhile... I wonder if people just aren't using Print-n-Play to get Vampirism?

I guess my only question would be about the timing of such a thing. If deathstroke hits 3 mystics, and heals 3, when does it occur? He only has 3 clicks of Blades,so would he get to choose when and where he took the damage? (the best solution being one click then one heal), or how does this work?

[Prof. Aragorn]

I would assume it works like steal energy and he heals after the damage is applied.

So he attacks, rolls for damage, divides damage accordingly, takes mystic damage, heals for making the attack based on each character damaged.

[Maraud]

I guess my only question would be about the timing of such a thing. If deathstroke hits 3 mystics, and heals 3, when does it occur? He only has 3 clicks of Blades,so would he get to choose when and where he took the damage? (the best solution being one click then one heal), or how does this work?

they would be simultaneous effects.

Which means the controlling player chooses what order they go in.

[TheVagrantKing]

I would assume it works like steal energy and he heals after the damage is applied.

So he attacks, rolls for damage, divides damage accordingly, takes mystic damage, heals for making the attack based on each character damaged.

So then would it mean that if deathstroke took 3 mystic damage on his first blades click, he wouldnt get the 3 healing clicks from SE on account that he doesn't have the feat anymore?

[Slayer_Xtreme]

So then would it mean that if deathstroke took 3 mystic damage on his first blades click, he wouldnt get the 3 healing clicks from SE on account that he doesn't have the feat anymore?

I would say that he would because he's declared using the feat before anything happened so it'd all stack up and he could heal as well since that would be happening at the same time the mystics would take effect. I also think though that Maraud is right in that since mystics and steal energy happen at the same time the controller decides what happens when in which case just do the healing first and you won't have to worry about it.

[adamkomar]

STEAL ENERGY (NON-OPTIONAL) Each time an opposing character takes damage from a close combat attack made by this character, heal this character of 1 damage.

MYSTICS When this character takes damage from an attack, the attacker takes 1 damage. This damage is not an attack.

Healing from Steal Energy and damage from Mystics both occur immediately after the target takes damage. The player controlling the attacking character decides which happens first, but one does have to occur before the other. After taking three damage from Mystics, there aren't many characters who will still have Steal Energy (or Blades/Claws/Fangs, in this case) so it'd be wise to heal first then take the Mystics damage.

[ChiRocker]

Based on the Outwit/Poison and the Impervious->Invulnerability->Toughness issue (if you have 6 rookie io Jokers surrounding a guy whose defense goes from Imp to Inv to Tough, and since all events (poison and outwit) happen at the same time, it is perfectly legal to outwit Imp, poison one at a time until you get to the Inv, then outwit that and poison until you get to the Tough, then do the same), I would say that it would perfectly legal to heal 1 from from SE, take one from Mystics, and repeat until you are done.

Also, I'm fairly certain that, since they happen at the same time, it doesn't matter if SE is still showing on the dial after the mystics damage is taken, you are still awarded 1 click of healing at the time the attack is made, you just get to decide at the time of the attack which happens first.

[Mr_Nobody]

Healing from Steal Energy and damage from Mystics both occur immediately after the target takes damage. The player controlling the attacking character decides which happens first, but one does have to occur before the other. After taking three damage from Mystics, there aren't many characters who will still have Steal Energy (or Blades/Claws/Fangs, in this case) so it'd be wise to heal first then take the Mystics damage.

they are simultaneous events, so the active player can choose what order to take them in.
But its not heal 3 and take 3.
its heal 1, heal 1, heal 1, take 1, take 1, and take 1.
which means deathstroke can
heal 1
take 1
heal 1
take 1
heal 1
take 1

which is a nice and safe way to stay on the same click.

[Captain Krueger]

Also, I'm fairly certain that, since they happen at the same time, it doesn't matter if SE is still showing on the dial after the mystics damage is taken, you are still awarded 1 click of healing at the time the attack is made, you just get to decide at the time of the attack which happens first.
I respectfully disagree on this : your Steal Energy activates at the same time as your opponent's Mystics/CrossGen/Arachnos (when the opposing character takes the damage), but I don't think you can benefit from Steal Energy if you applies the damage from Mystics first and loose SE because of it. This should be similar to a character who has to stop moving using HSS because he lost the power during the attack, shouldn't it ? Excpet, of course, you have to choose in which order the two effects occurs in our actual case (but that mean that a witty and devious Mind Controller can prevent SE from healing the character if I'm right)

[Harpua]

I respectfully disagree on this : your Steal Energy activates at the same time as your opponent's Mystics/CrossGen/Arachnos (when the opposing character takes the damage), but I don't think you can benefit from Steal Energy if you applies the damage from Mystics first and loose SE because of it. This should be similar to a character who has to stop moving using HSS because he lost the power during the attack, shouldn't it ? Excpet, of course, you have to choose in which order the two effects occurs in our actual case (but that mean that a witty and devious Mind Controller can prevent SE from healing the character if I'm right)

It is a tough call. I definitely agree with the part about being able to do them one at a time. For example, if Doomsday Quakes 8 Mystics, he's going to take 1 damage 8 times, not 8 damage once, which really makes a difference with his SP.

The other part I could see going either way, but I'm going with Captain Kreuger.

On one hand, in the past once things are triggered, they usually don't stop even if the mechanism is gone. Take MC for example. I MC Iron Man (188 points) and Captain America (79 points). The first free action I give is to Iron Man to use EE. During that attack, my MCer gets pegged, losing MC. The MC doesn't end. I still give Cap his action, and I still take the 2 clicks of feedback.

That said, while these things would happen simultaneously, I do not think that they are triggered simultaneously. I think that the best example would be a guye with SE on his last click. If he takes the Mystics first, then he'll click to KO first, but the SE won't reanimate him.

[ChiRocker]

I guess this would all be resolved by always taking the SE click first, then the Mystics click (unless there is some huge benefit for taking the damage first, that I can't even imagine there would be).

[adamkomar]

I guess this would all be resolved by always taking the SE click first, then the Mystics click (unless there is some huge benefit for taking the damage first, that I can't even imagine there would be).

If the character is on its first click, it's a waste of Steal Energy.

[Quebbster]

I guess this would all be resolved by always taking the SE click first, then the Mystics click (unless there is some huge benefit for taking the damage first, that I can't even imagine there would be).

Well, you could be Mind Controlling a figure with Steal Energy and want to deny them the healing...

[ChiRocker]

If the character is on its first click, it's a waste of Steal Energy.

Well, you could be Mind Controlling a figure with Steal Energy and want to deny them the healing...

Both good points! I'm sure there are others, I'm just not as good at making up possible scenarios as I am with actually knowing what to do when situations happen.

[Harpua]

If the character is on its first click, it's a waste of Steal Energy.

Exactly how many figures have Steal Energy on click 1? :rolleyes:

[Maraud]

Exactly how many figures have Steal Energy on click 1? :rolleyes:

with what this thread is about.
i'd say quite a few.

[adamkomar]

Exactly how many figures have Steal Energy on click 1? :rolleyes:

Blades/Claws/Fangs + Vampirism = 246 characters with standard Steal Energy on their first click.