hurtin' my own boys...

[maveric28]

Is it permissible to attack your allies with your attacks? For example, could a SHIELD agent shoot Wolfsbane to give her a click of damage, and then let Wolfsbane use her own actions with her new just-took-a-click-of-damage-now-I'm-ready-to-rock ability scores?

If you're not allowed to attack them directly, what about incidental damage, such as that caused by Energy Explosion or Pulse Wave?

Is there any way, other than pushing, that you can get your Hulks, Hawks, Doves, and Wolfsbanes past their weak alter egos and up to fighting trim... ? Preferably during the initial turn?

[metzgarob]

as far as i am aware u can not hurt your guys by attacking them but yes EE and PW will damage your own guys if they are in the correct place after attacking an enemy or whatever the case may be
i would assume that the "quickest way to pump your hulks (or whatever) up is to throw him out right away and hope he doesnt get too messed up

[four_winds]

Surround the figs you want to take a click then use pulsewave to damage them.you can do this on the first turn to guys like the hulk and wolfsbane.Pulsewave doesnt target anyone so you can use it on your own figs.

[archaon02]

I believe to use pulse wave you have to have at least one opponent to target with it. At least, that's what I was told by a local judge.

[four_winds]

Dude I think you got hosed then.I believe to use pulse wave you have to have at least one opponent to target with it. At least, that's what I was told by a local judge.

I think you got hosed then,all you do is draw lines to all figs,friendly or not and let loose.If you hit more than 1 fig,1 damage,only one fig and take the full damage.

[webhead817]

Actually, you can Pulsewave at any time, provided there is more than one target. So, you could use Blizzard to jumpstart both Hulk and Wolfsbane, but not just one of them.

[four_winds]

QUOTE] provided there is more than one target[/QUOTE]

pulsewave works on one fig as well but that fig will take the full damage.

[HeroComplex]

But if against a single target it becomes a targeted attack and therefore cannot be used against a friendly figure.

[Nickel97]

You can forceblast your own figures into the wall too (though I haven't double checked the FAQ). It's not as efficient as pulsewave though.

You could Forceblast your Hawk or Dove off of a building doing 2 damage(if you're playing the marvel outdoor map) so they land next to the other one, and have the other one give a click of healing to them (Which should put each of them on their first "Good" click).

I like the simple Avalanche Pulse Wave myself.

[four_winds]

Why would it become a targeted attack?It still goes in all directions,not just one,it only hits one.Every other attack has the word target in it except pulsewave and I dont think its a misprint or mistake.I think they worded it this way for a reason.Especially since it hits stealthed figs.Its an indiscriminate attack.

[four_winds]

My point is if its only hitting one opposing fig and that fig is stealthed then how can it target it?

[four_winds]

plus it goes through figure bases to hit as many figs in a straight line as long as you have range.

[HeroComplex]

Nickel, the original text for Force Blast specifies opposing figures.

four_winds, if you look at Pulse Wave's PAC entry, you'll note that the last sentence, describing how Pulse Wave works against a single figure, does use the word target.

Also, Pulse Wave cannot hit figures with Stealth who are in or behind hindering terrain. As per the Pulse Wave description, terrain affects the LOFs normally, and so Stealth would still cause an LOF through hindering to act as blocked.

[four_winds]

Ahh,thanks alot for clearing that up,so pulsewave wont hit a stealthed fig in bushes right?

[HeroComplex]

Nope, the Stealthed figure is safe. But the figures behind him are fair game!

[four_winds]

Awesome,this put a whole new spin on stealth fig shields.I bow to your superior knowledge of the game but would still love to play against you someday.
Aloha.

[PantherPriest]

On the topic of wolfsbane, there is no reason to push her, just have an xmen nearby so she can use the team ability. My favorite is to use cyclops first turn and then shoot again on the second turn, healing him with wolfsbane, putting her into the 10 10 15 2 bcf stats. Then, if you are so bold you can levitate her with jean grey and have her attack next turn, or fly her in with rouge so that rouge may charge with the attack and rouge can heal wolfsbane when she pushes, since rouge has steal energy.

[xxgoonboyxx]

just push them

[Teletran]

Just a clarification...

If Thor (T) wants to attack Henchman (H) who is behind Black Panther who is in hindering terrain (BP)..

T..BP.H

Thor wouldn't be able to draw a line of fire to Henchman right? I believe so because BP causes line of sight to H as blocked. BP in hindering terrain even adds to the fact that it becomes "blocking terrain" and thus, no LoF to BP as well.

But what's the difference in Pulse Wave? Why would it go through BP (who is unharmed) but will hit H anyway? I thought LoF will still be blocked?

[HeroComplex]

The PAC entry for Pulse Wave states that the LOFs for the power ignore figure bases but are affected normally by terrain.

[Teletran]

oh yeah... but how about the drawing of LoF to the stealthed Panther... doesn't his power make LoF as it it draws a line to blocking terrain?

Or does a steath-made hindering terrain to "blocking terrain" not hinder pulsewave at all?

Sorry if my question is a bit confusing. It's just that I thought since BP's stealth makes LoF to him as if it were going through Blocking Terrain, then maybe he would be like a single "barrier" that blocks the pulse wave (or any attack) to the Henchman a few spaces behind him.

[HeroComplex]

If you read the Stealth power's PAC entry, you'll note that it refers only to Lines of Fire which are drawn to this character. If LOF isn't being drawn directly to the Stealth character, then Stealth has no effect and the figure is treated just like any other.

[Teletran]

Now I see....

Thanks for that clarification! I always thought Stealth fig in hindering terrain would have acted as a pseudo barrier against enemies on rooftops and the like.

[archaon02]

eh, no worries. I wasn't actually using pulse wave. I had a bye so the two of us were discussing strategems and the like. I brought up the pulsewave to perfection(tm), and he said you needed an opponent to activate it. I'll bring it up next time I see him. Maybe he's seen something we haven't, or maybe he just misinterpereted something. He's a good guy.