Character Creation Colossus

[Manchine]

Well I decided to do an Xmen. I can already hear the Xmen fans beating at my door to change this. This is how he is. Slightly faster then a certain Heavy weight. Not as good as a fighter as other better fighters. Pretty good defense and not as strong as other power houses. This is his experinced version. The version I know better then most. This is the version in secret wars. Maybe a little bit after. His Vet Version is obviously stronger but still not as good fighter. But I choose this one becuase there will be far less complaints. And I know this one better.

Like Usual. Comments, good or bad, are welcomed.

PS Just dont ask me to give him Telekinesis, I wont do it! :D ;) :p

Colossus Experienced XMen

Speed 8 8 7 7 6 6 5 5

Attack 9 8 8 7 7 6 6 5

Defense 17 16 16 15 15 14 14 13

Damage 4 3 3 3 3 2 2 2



Charge He's fast. Most of me tells me to give him only 2 but I can hear the fanboys already saying he should have more.

Super Strength At this point in time he is still weaker then Thing and others.

Invulnerability He has even harder skin then Thing.

Toughness Same as above.



Black Knight (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21947) ----- Tigra (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21577) ----- Beetle (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20979) ----- Fixer (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=21259 ) ----- Absorbing Man (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20698) ----- Wonder Man (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22450) ----- US Agent (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=22764) ----- Super Adaptiod (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23222) ----- Scorpion (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23427&highlight=Character+Creation) ----- Nimrod (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=23958&highlight=Character+Creation) ----- Grandmaster (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24322) ----- Pluto (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=24885) ----- Baron Zemo (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=25548&perpage=15&pagenumber=2) ----- Spider-Man (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26152) ----- Executioner (http://www.hcrealms.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&threadid=26611&highlight=Character)

[Perfectstorm]

I would take off the 3rd click of charge, add another 1/2 of invunrable, and make is attack 1 higher on his starting click. He doesnt like to fight, btu he isnt bad. His punch is one of the few that can move juggernaut. take off a thing or 2 of SS. he doesnt use his SS as much when he gets hurt. He just kina starts wailing with all he's not, maybe toss some flurry and battle fury on that click. Something to set him apart from other buisers.

[Manchine]

Surprised about the 3rd klick of Charge. Like I said I already think its to much. As for his attack he's not better then the Thing so his attack is equal at the start but drops faster. Also 8.94 is average attack so I gave him an Average attack. Super Strength is an Idea hmmm.

[raging_madboy]

He comes out at 103 points, but i'm not sure any one character could make the x-men a decent group in heroclix. I've honestly never seen them played well in any venue and although i grew up loving the x-men i doubt i'll use them again in a tourney. Peter looks good though, i'd have given him faster movement, if he's so fast he should be able to outrun the Thing right?

[Manchine]

I made him faster then the Thing. Through the dial. He is not faster then Spiderman so I gave him a 8 but made him last longer for the speed. There is a method to my madness. :D ;) :p

[Doctor Strange]

True, he's not as good a fighter as the thing. I like colossus more and im willing to admit that the Thing is a better fighter. Don't you think tho that maby it's the Thing who got the shaft in attack values?

How about Doctor Octopus, Sandman, Mister Hyde. Is colossus a lesser fighter than these guys as well?

I think flury at the end would be fitting :)

[the itsy bit]

Originally posted by Manchine
Surprised about the 3rd klick of Charge. Like I said I already think its to much. As for his attack he's not better then the Thing so his attack is equal at the start but drops faster. Also 8.94 is average attack so I gave him an Average attack. Super Strength is an Idea hmmm.

Thing is stronger (HE GOT SHAFTED !)
Thing is a better fighter (HE GOT SHAFTED !)
Tell that too She-Hulk !! In FF (tonnage) Thing is stronger then She-hulk.

Don't give me another X-men whom is sup-par just because some other fig didn't get the royal threatment !!!!!!!!

And I will say this AGAIN:
7 AV anyone you pick of the street
8 AV slightly stronger trained figs
9 AV figs trained in martial arts end stuff
10 AV minimal AV for trained figs with SS
11 AV Very well trained figs: be it SS/or other deadly martial arts
12 AV superhuman incredible !Or moving so fast that they almost always hit home, honed Combat skills from years and years of combat training
13+ amazing AV !

[Kiften]

Hey! Great fig idea Manchine, I personally can't wait for Colossus so I can field a useful Xmen team! Wolv, Colossus, Nightcrawler, Cyke, Jean Grey and Prof X....starting to actually get a "team" together!
Here's how I'd do the Russian Wonder...

Colossus (V)
124 pts
0 Range
1 Arrow
Xmen team ability

Speed

6 8 8 8 8 7 6 5 5 4 4

Attack

6 10 10 9 9 8 7 7 6 6 5

Defense

14 17 17 17 16 16 15 15 14 12 10

Damage

1 4 4 4 3 3 3 3 2 2 2

I know, I know, no charge makes alot of people mad, and I'm sure he'll get it anyways due to the SS/Charge combo, but I've never really pictured him getting Charge. Lots of invuln and high damage make him a straight up bruiser. He's got that first click to "get into the fight". I didn't give him too much stuff so I could keep his cost down, that Xmen team ability ain't cheap. Anyone who wants to price this out can feel free...this is just how I see him.
Thanks!
biggs

[Mr Deadpool]

Manchine - Good job. I'm interested in what you give Wonderman and Black Knight since their two of my favorite Avengers... and Tigra's pretty good to.

Cat

[Mongoose]

Wow he's as strong as Juggernaut (They really screwed up Jugg's damage though). The charge attack looks proper (Especially for a flying special). His attack is correct too (Rasputin is not a good fighter). Good overall in my mind.

[Manchine]

Originally posted by the itsy bit

Don't give me another X-men whom is sup-par just because some other fig didn't get the royal threatment !!!!!!!!

And I will say this AGAIN:
7 AV anyone you pick of the street
8 AV slightly stronger trained figs
9 AV figs trained in martial arts end stuff
10 AV minimal AV for trained figs with SS
11 AV Very well trained figs: be it SS/or other deadly martial arts
12 AV superhuman incredible !Or moving so fast that they almost always hit home, honed Combat skills from years and years of combat training
13+ amazing AV !

And I will tell you your [B]wrong[B]. Plain and simple. Rogue Experinced 9. She hulk Rookie 9. Mr Hyde rookie 9. Booster Gold Vetern Verision. Just to name a few off. Your theroy isnt quite right. .

[The Burt]

I like your Colossus alot. The only thing I would change would be to drop the initial damage from 4 to 3. Minor. Other than that, I like it. Also WAY cool Baron Zemo.

[Manchine]

Well I think for his experenced version he should have 4 damage now for his rookie yep should have 3 damage. I have been doing this now for almost 2 months. Started before all the other copy cats started hehe. I saw how Azs had his done so I figure hey why not.

[Steve Shady]

STOP WITH THESE CHAR CREATION THREADS! WE ALL KNOW COLLOSUS AND SCORP ARE IN THE SET! Jeez....

[Manchine]

I dont care if you know about it. I am just replying to some people. This is not over who is in what set.

LEARN NOT TO YELL!!!

[CarlosMucha]

Collossus must have Force Blast!!!
Is the only way for the canon ball!! just imagine whith Wolverine whith Force Blast he can move to Wolverine!!

Amazing!

Carlos

[Manchine]

Hehe

:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D ;) :p

[jedigeof]

I'm not sure if you read English as bad as you speak it but Force blast only works on opposing clixs. FYI

[BatMan1]

just wait for xplosion guys collosus will be in their

[double_a]

Just wanted to have this officially noted:

With all the comments about super-stregth figures not being able to throw teammates into battle & especially not being able to replicate the fastball special, I've come up with a solution.

Apologies to anyone who thought this up first.

Give Colossus a click of Telekinesis to duplicate him throwing Wolverine into combat!

Just a thought...

[Manchine]

Double_A, NO!!!! :D ;) :p


:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Yes, Batterman1 we know. But I like to Guess at what Wizkids will do.

:D ;) :p

[Mongoose]

I believe that heroclix is adapting a new rule to incorporate characters doing a fastball special.

[Manchine]

Mongoose, I beleive they wont!!

:D ;) :p :D ;) :p

[Dalmatio69]

I think your custom stats for figures are cool. I only looked at the names i recognized though. If youre trying to guess what WK will do for colossus, you should probally add a "human" click. As much as most people hate it, WK seems to like it.

But my question is for your Grandmaster, why doesnt he have any outwit? I thought his whole deal was how smart he was, and was a master at most any game in the universe. Does outwit not apply to him? ( Though Thanos outwitted him in his own game. But Thanos should have outwitt also. )

Keep up the good work, if youre looking for any suggestions on the next new character, id like to see Apocalypse =)

[whiteperegrine]

Ref: Fastball Special
ummm...crazy question idea but...
what if you allow characters with Super Strength to 'throw' the team mate they are carrying. this would be in line with the throwing of a objects that they can throw now. this would in effect change the verbage behind Super Strength...

Super Strength : Fastball Special
a character with Super Strength has the ability to throw a team mate at an opposing figure. when the character does this he must have a team mate already picked up and when he throws his team mate he has a maximum range of 6 squares. as the team mate is being thrown at full force the team mate and the opposing figure take one click of damage.

just a quick stab at how it might work...I dunno. the damage is there to help limit the actual application as you rarely see this maneuver outside of the xmen. they really only did it to get wolvie in hand to hand wuick and because of his healing factor...

imo, giving him a whole seperate power is not needed when all they have to do is open up Super Strength a little more...

to much? to little?
flames? heh

[JayThor]

Manchine, I like your version. Especially not making him have to "Hulk-up". I would say no Charge, just because he is too much like Shehulk and Thing, but he might have 1 click, so I don't mind it on yours. He comes up a lot of points, though. Drop the last click off, and maybe he can be fielded for under 100 points.