character creation- Mephisto

[Namor]

Mephisto
Range=10
Arrows=1
flying
12 12 11 10 9 9 9 8 8
13 11 11 11 10 9 9 9 8
17 17 16 16 15 14 13 12 10
3 3 3 2 2 2 1 1 1

His powers are-
Speed- Mind Control, then Phasing
Attack-Psychic Blast
Defense-Matermind, Invulnerablity, then one click of Tougness
Damage- Perplex, RCE, then more Perplex

I made a character creation of Silver Surfer, its on another thread, check it out.

[Manchine]

That is way to weak. He is the strongest Death god literally almost on par with Galactus. Not as strong as Death mind you but up there.

[Namor]

Too weak? If he was ever made with these stats he could easily beat any other click if played right. Mephisto is no where near Galactus or Death, he has been beaten by Dr.Strange, Thor, Silver Surfer, and Dr.Doom. He should be slighty stronger than Dr.Doom's veteran.

[Manchine]

No he is far stronger then those characters. Sure those people have beat him but at that time he has to follow a certain rules. That allows him to be beat. He is a cosmic being much like Phoenix. Silver Surfer is unable to be made becuase he is to powerful. He is even worse.

Dont take my word for it wait for others to tell you. I am being serious here. I always ask for more then one opinion.

[Namor]

I have the comics where he has been beaten on his own dimension following no rules. Thor is stronger than Silver Surfer, so is Thanos and Doom could beat him too and Wizkids made these characters into clix. Mephisto is weaker outside of his own dimension and that is what these stats represent (since I doubt Wizkids would make a Hades map for just Mephisto). Nightmare is as strong as Mephisto and they made him.

[Spy Master]

I agree Namor If they can make a Nightmare , they can make Mephisto. On the same level so to speak. Mephisto was more overall evil while Nightmare was bad dreams. And yes they both were weaker outside of their home dimensions. So a Mephisto figure outside of his home would be simliar to Nightmare , stronger stats and powers but close to him.

[Manchine]

Mephisto is so powerful they cant even gauge his power. Much like other powerful beings. Other beings like this cant be gauged. Nightmare is no where near as strong as Mephisto.

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/m/mephisto.htm

Like I said wait for others to tell you not just me.

[Namor]

Whats up with the idea that just because a character is powerful in the Marvel Universe that they cant be made in Hero Clix, thats retarded. I think every character should be made and given a chance, thats like telling Micheal Jordan he cant play basketball anymore because he is too good.

[Spy Master]

I dont like ot compare games but here goes , in the marvel RPG Mephisto has 3225 hitpoints, Nightmare 3100 . Nightmare was considerably stronger physically . As for powers they have similiar ones , the only difference being that Nightmare was actually stronger in most aspects but only versus sleeping characters or in his home realm. Mephisto too was stronger in his home realm but not as weakened as Nightmare in the "real" world. When not in his own realm Mephisto, his hit points drops to 1225.

[Namor]

Ill wait for other people to tell me because you obviously know nothing of the character, only what you have read on a website. I have alot of comics were Mephisto has been beaten and I know his powers pretty well. Being away from his dimension weakens him alot (Adam Warlock beat him on Thanos's starship in Infinity Crusade).

[Spy Master]

Galactus's hit points in the marvel RPG were 4150. No where near the 20000 death and eternity have . I know that comparing their stats from another game isnt the same thing but it does help show their comparison.

[Manchine]

Excuse me, I know far more then you do. Specially the older stuff. I use that as a 1 of my references. Obviously you dont know what your talking about. At least I can listen to other people ideas and not shut them out if they are different then mine.

Dang I forgot. I ask for the comments good and bad. But As I have been told, privately. Not everyone can accept negitive feedback like adults. Obviously you are one of the people who cant handle negitive feedback, no need to explain it any farther.

[PantherPriest]

In issue 6, April of 99, black panther beat mephisto in his own realm, in issue 22, september of 2000, black panther beat nightmare... in his own realm (with a little help from moonknight.) Mephisto needs to be way superpowerful, but he has been beaten in his own realm.

If mephisto is so powerful, then why is he kissing up to thanos at the beginning of infinity gaunlet. This is an honest question, for I did not read the whole series and am therefore ignorant of his motives, but before I read those few pages I thought he was way better than thanos.

But he does need more powers.

[Spy Master]

Based on your concept machine heres someone who is on par with mephisto Dormammu

http://www.marveldirectory.com/individuals/d/dormammu.htm

since it states that his magical abilities are powerful enough to tamper with gods magic , ala turning thor back into donald blake over pwoering odins magic . ANd this guy was beaten physically by dr strange.

[PantherPriest]

Bold manchine, I don't think I've ever heard someone flat out say that they know more than someone else on this site, for that I tip my kitty mask to you :)

But once again he does need more powers... like... well... I can't think of any cuz I've only seen him a few times, but I'm sure somebody can fill in for more powers.

[Namor]

Im not shutting you out, its just that your concept of Mephisto being omnipotent is wrong. Dont take it the wrong way, I didnt say I know more than you, just that I know more about Mephisto than you (you said he was almost as strong as Galactus!).

[Manchine]

That I can accept. Now your being hospitable, namor. ;) :D :p But he is omnipotent. He has held Galactus Soul in his realm before. Bet ya didnt know that. ;) He has made all the avengers forget about Thor being with them. Silver Surfer has beaten him becuase he has a pure soul. Dr. Doom finally beat him, becuase it was in the rules, on how to get his mother's soul back. Even after he did his mother didnt accept him. That also took several attempts to do, becuase he can only do it on a certain day. Plus Doom rarely loses. One last time to show he is a cosmic being of pure power. Secret wars 2 he was in the chamber with all the powers that be. Which include Odin and Zues as some of the weaker ones.

Now I dont know anything hardly in the last 10 years. So I use sources for info as the one I had given.

[Namor]

I think that the numbers and powers I gave him fit the character perfectly, he has a chance of doing 4 clicks of damage for 6 clicks. I was thinking about giving him perplex all the way down but decided not to, wanted him to be diverse. Can anyone tell me how much he would cost, I would really like to know???

[Doctor Strange]

Hey Namor.. I think thats a fair representation of Mephesto.

I agree with what you have to say about Nightmare in regards to power as well.

I think that the thing to keep in mind is that these characters are designed to interact with Marvel heroes in Marvel comic books. In those comic books, the villan is often much more powerfull than the heroes but the heroes find ways to defeat the villan. All power is relitive in comics (for the sake of plot) and the same can be applied to heroeclix.

Bext example, is when Reed used the ultimate nullifier to defeat Galacticus. "But he didn't defeat Galacticus." you say?

He did. He did not over power Galacticus, but he used his abilities and the tools at hand to outwit Galacticus (no pun intended, seriously). Reed was the clear victor of that confrontation. If it would have been raw combat of pure force, then Galacticus would have utterly smashed him in a vulgar display of galactic power (pun very much intended). Of course, that's why the good writers get the paycheck at the end of the day. ;)

[squidblatt]

I think it has become difficult to represent certain characters accurately because design is so dominated by tournament play. Maybe by putting out characters like Mephisto and Silver Surfer in his most powerful form, Wiz Kids will be able to encourage scenario based play. This would help expand the game beyond power gaming and give it more life. I bring up the issue because I don't think Namor's stats are really not powerful enough for Mephisto, although they are useful in keeping the character balanced for tournaments. I enjoy tourneys fine, but not greatly. The game is more fun for me when there is a story involved, and I think many people would share this sentiment.
BTW, nobody can ever convince me that Thor is more powerful than SS, and it's a matter of fact the Firelord isn't. :p

[Kiften]

About Infinity Gauntlet to whoever asked....

Mephisto teamed up with Thanos and then in the middle of his battle with the cosmic entities, he lunged forward and tried to grasp the Gauntlet...Thanos of course didn't fall for that brilliant attempt...
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