thwart and in contact with oracle

[deadpool667]

This came up during a causal game. If you place Oracle on ICWO and it get Thwarted what would then happen to Oracle since the feat is now ignored. It seems that Oracle would be placed some where on the battlefield. if this happens where would she go.

[normalview]

Once Oracle is on the card, the only way to remove her is to defeat all the characters that are assigned ICWO (and then she is considered defeated, not placed back on the map).

When ICWO is Thwarted, she's just sitting there with the card; basically, once you remove her from the map, she is part of the feat.

[deadpool667]

so the card as a whole is not ignored just the part that grants the ablities and +1s

[normalview]

so the card as a whole is not ignored just the part that grants the ablities and +1s

The feat is ignored (says so right in Thwart's description), but that doesn't mean that everything resets.

For example, if you Thwart Endurance on a character that has already pushed a couple times (so has tokens on the feat), Thwart does not cause those Endurance tokens to be removed... they stay right there, ready to be used again if the Thwart token is removed.

Same thing with ICWO.

[spike1138]

If Oracle was removed from the map and placed on the card at the beginning of the game, then you wouldn't be able to Thwart the feat. You would not be able to draw line of fire to her because she's been taken off the map.

At least that's how both feats read to me...

Here's the text of both feats, for convenience:

Choose two or more characters; Oracle may not be chosen. Chosen characters are Agents.

As long as it is not the target of Mind Control, when an Agent is given an action you may choose to give one of its combat values +1 until the beginning of your next turn.

If Oracle is on your force, you may remove her from the battlefield at the beginning of the game and place her on this card. At the beginning of any of your turns, you may assign a power action to any Agent with zero or one action token and turn Oracle's dial to any click. The Agent given the action may use any power showing on Oracle's dial until any Agent with zero or one action token is given a power action to turn Oracle's dial. If your last Agent is KOd while Oracle is on this card, Oracle is also KOd.

*Per character chosen.

Prerequisites: Mastermind or Outwit

Choose a character.

Give the character a power action. Place a thwart token on a target feat card assigned to a character that is 10 or fewer squares from the character and to which the character has a clear line of fire. The target feat is ignored until a character to which it is assigned is given a power action specifically to remove the thwart token.

[deadpool667]

okay thaks for the explaination

[normalview]

If Oracle was removed from the map and placed on the card at the beginning of the game, then you wouldn't be able to Thwart the feat. You would not be able to draw line of fire to her because she's been taken off the map.

At least that's how both feats read to me...

Here's the text of both feats, for convenience:

This is not correct. ICWO is always assigned to at least 2 agents (that's how this feat works); Oracle doesn't even need to be used.

Those agents will be somewhere on that map and if the Thwarter can target even one of them, the whole ICWO feat is countered.

[Puuka]

The feat is ignored (says so right in Thwart's description), but that doesn't mean that everything resets.

For example, if you Thwart Endurance on a character that has already pushed a couple times (so has tokens on the feat), Thwart does not cause those Endurance tokens to be removed... they stay right there, ready to be used again if the Thwart token is removed.

Same thing with ICWO.

Maybe a better way to look at it is that Oracle becomes part of the card.

[normalview]

Maybe a better way to look at it is that Oracle becomes part of the card.

I wonder where I heard that before :cheeky:

Once Oracle is on the card, the only way to remove her is to defeat all the characters that are assigned ICWO (and then she is considered defeated, not placed back on the map).

When ICWO is Thwarted, she's just sitting there with the card; basically, once you remove her from the map, she is part of the feat.

;)

[unsung hero]

:I wonder where I heard that before :cheeky:



;)

Seems that the duties of being a Deputy have made some folks grumpy!:surprised:laugh::nervous:
moving on......

[spike1138]

This is not correct. ICWO is always assigned to at least 2 agents (that's how this feat works); Oracle doesn't even need to be used.

Those agents will be somewhere on that map and if the Thwarter can target even one of them, the whole ICWO feat is countered.

Ah yes, you are definitely correct. I was focused on Oracle herself and completely forgot about the two agents. :(

[Captain Krueger]

I've got another question : if I use Thwart on agent #1 to Thwart ICWO, no agents can use the feat, but can my opponent give an action to another agent to de-Thwart ICWO, or must he assigned it to agent #1 ?
And while we're at it, what would happen if I KO agent #1 before the token on ICWO is removed ?

[Quebbster]

I've got another question : if I use Thwart on agent #1 to Thwart ICWO, no agents can use the feat, but can my opponent give an action to another agent to de-Thwart ICWO, or must he assigned it to agent #1 ?
And while we're at it, what would happen if I KO agent #1 before the token on ICWO is removed ?
Any Agent can be given the power action to de-Thwart.

[TheBionicLeopard]

pretty much the same as if you thwart an ATA card, it is gone for everyone that was using it.

though i'm sure someone will misunderstand what i have said or not read it in context, but...what are the odds of that happening here?:p