Best toe-to-toe Brawler/Bruiser in Heroclix

[razzastuta]

There's going to be a very bizarre Clix tournament taking place in the UK in a coupla weeks, as far as I've been told (and rules are still very sketchy on this) there's going to be a Clix "Royal Rumble-Wrestling Style" tournament where the rules are (so far):

No ranged attacks
You can move one action per turn and take no push damage
No Blades/Claws/Fangs
No Soaring
No Medics(!!)

(I'm sure there's going to be more rules as the organisers work it out)

The fights will take place on a 10x10 "Wrestling Ring" board and the catch is you can only enter ONE FIGURE into the fray. Needless to say, Prof X, Hawkeye or any "cannon fodder" figures aren't really going to be worth entering into this little punch-fest.
I'm also uncertain as to whether there'll be point restrictions, I certainly hope there are, or else we'll probably see everyone arrive with Veteran Supermen, which means it'll be the daftest looking tourney ever.

Anyway, now that I've written the background, here's the question - who IS the best toe-to-toe HeroClix Figure (Marvel or DC) for brawling or for using in the above Tourney?

[trutildeth]

I'd venture Veteran Bane with his 3 clicks of damage + CCE from the early going. He might not last too long, but he can dish it out better than the other bruisers.

V- Hulk will be nasty if you can get him to his sweet click.

V - Hercules is diesel all the way down the dial.

[Clikzilla]

Hmmm!

From DC, I'd take:

Vet Solomon Grundy (Impervious, super strength, solid 3 damage)
Vet Bane (Toughness, CCE)

I'd take Grundy over Bane, personally; Impervious has saved my butt many a time, and even when it misses, Grundy's still Invulnerable. He's also got a deep, deep dial...that zombie's built to last. :D

I'd also look at the U Catwoman: Batman team ability, L/C, super-senses, a good defense, and CCE. She also gets outwit at one point. For that matter, the veteran regular Catwoman has a lot going for her.

Just a few thoughts.

[Xian]

Straight-up answers:

V Hulk - if you're going to get hurt, might as well get stronger as you do so
V Thing - keeps Invulnerability for a long long time
V Thor - keeps high damage and Invulnerability for a long time
V Hercules - keeps high damage and AV for a long time
V Doomsday - CCE and Impervious for a long time
EV Superman - Impervious for a long time, okay damage
LE Superman - Hypersonic Speed and good stats all around

Sketchier answers

V Rogue - heals with every successful hit...could be useful
U Darkseid - can't use the Psychic Blast, but can Mind Control (if necessary), and should be one of the few there with Outwit

I'm aware that the LE Bruce Banner is slightly better than V Hulk, but for the most part, I'm ignoring the hard-to-find LEs. Most of them don't do more than 3 damage anyway.


Xian

[razzastuta]

I actually own an Doomsday (E), would this guy be any good for the Tourney?

[Ghost_Rider]

I would take Swamp Thing over Grundy any day. He is probably the most underrated character in the set.

Ghost

[discombobulous]

razzastuta, I personally use E-Doomsday more than the Veteran. The Vet keeps Impervious for longer, but since this is a one-on-one bash fest, the extra CCE that the Experienced version has might actually do you a little more good.

[redherringj]

Come on... Vet Controller! His range is zero, so he fits the criteria and you can use other peeps' figs to do your dirty work.

[Phantom]

V Bane – The Firelord of DC. He keeps his stats for almost his entire dial, takes forever to put down, and if he’s on his last clicks then he’s really easy to heal.
V Swamp Thing – Deep dial, and versatile. Phasing is handy for getting to the target you want him to hit, too.
V She-Hulk – The best toe-to-toe character in Marvel for the points. Good damage, deep dial, charge, free movement, and Leap/Climb when you need to get away to the medic.
R Sandman – Cheap Invulnerability. He’s more important as a tie-up character, with Plasticity and Invulnerability where you want it at the top of his dial, then Supersenses and Phasing at the end to keep him alive until you reach a healer. He won’t single-handedly take Bane down, but he’ll keep him away from more critical characters.

[drdastardly]

V Flash - since you can't use ranged attacks, flash can outwit damage protection, drive-by for 1, and retreat, and there's nothing the opponent can do, since it's only 1 action per turn, unless they have charge, in which case flash can outwit that and hold until the opponent moves, then outwit protection and drive-by again...

unless I misunderstood the rules :">

[Joe Kerr]

The Vet's for Bane, Hercules, and She Hulk could wear my world title any time.

[techdog]

I am a big fan of the marvel guys, in a toe to toe battle you have to consider these guys.

Juggernaut-V
She-Hulk-V
Thor-V
Hercules-V
Controller-V

These guys just kick some serious behind. They are all tough to hit and can take a licking. Thor and She-Hulk have some extra goodies to help survive and Controller can turn the brawlers on each other. If you are looking at DC, then Bane and Doomsday are the best hand to hand power men.

[PaxZRake]

OWAW Supes would be the best bet.

Failing that V Flash. Nightcrawlwer wouldn't be bad either. V Thing or Shulkie. V Doomsday for sure.

If there is a point cap V Flash should be able to beat everyone who doesn't have outwit.

[jeditq]

The only problem is, most of those heavy hitters have slow movement, I would suggest:

V - Magneto, as soon as they get close to you, telekenesis them into the wall

You might also try someone with incapacitate.

[Spiritual_Ex]

Yeah sure, until someone with charge runs up to you and smacks you for 3-6 before you ever get the opportunity to TK them away. ANd what good is he if he can't make ranged attacks???

[jkc]

Sounds like someone created a scenario just for Nightmare. He's my pick.

[LuckyJ]

What about NIGHTMARE? He's got monster defense, 3 clicks of invulnerability, incapacitate for 8 clicks and steal energy at the end with a 10 attack value to keep from pushing to death. He's also got a 10 for movement!

Veteran SHE-HULK would probably be the best because of her damage potential with and without objects. The Charge will probably win the game.

Veteran SWAMP-THING. He never dies and he's got phasing if you need a little room to breathe (run, pick up an object, andwait for the other guy to walk up next to you.) Impevious doesn't hurt either.

If there's a point limit:

Titania: No, she's not as strong stat-wise as Hercules, but her 3 clicks of invulnerability will make the difference between a win and a loss. Toughness just isn't enough, if you ask me.

DON"T USE:

Bane. Think about it! ANY charge figure will get first strike. She-hulk and Thing will gladly give bane between 3 and 5 damage (after toughness) on the first hit.

Hercules. For the same reasons.

[ontapmedia]

what about Swampthing? 10 clix of absorption and he starts with Impervious. He has Plasictity so he's hard to tie up.

[drhypnotic]

Gotta choose Nightmare

[techdog]

I forgot Nightmare. He would kick some serious tail and could be very tough to beat, but be careful, when you put him on the board, everyone else will be gunning for him, he is always the guy I want to get rid of first when I am playing against him. I don't want him around at the end, cause if it is him against any figure one on one at the end of a game, odds are Nightmare is going to win, just my opinion. He might be the best brawler out there, but that might make him a bad choice in "royal rumble" type event, the other guys would form alliances to team up on him, I would. But, he would be your best choice.

[younginfluenti]

don't forget hercules. How many 80 pt. figures can go toe to toe with the hulk. great strength and durability

[dmac7979]

Vet Herc, even though he doesnt have charge, his dial barely changes. You cant just smack him and let him go.

[Batman1983]

swamp thing is 11 clicks

[Phantom]

V Herc still falls too fast, and is FAR too easy to hit.

V Juggernaut might be a good pick. He’s got SEVEN clicks of Invulnerability, which is a lot to wade through, and his defensive abilities are among the best in the game.

Darkseid is another good candidate. He’s got Outwit and 3 damage at the top of his dial, a rock-steady attack rating, and he gets Super-Strength after a few clicks.

EDIT: Or -- good god, a Sentinel or Sinestro. Time to see the 300-point beast do his double-attacks!

[Soro]

Nightcrawler

18 defense is the second highest you can get in the game that with supersense will leave the bruisers missing on top of that he can move as he pleases hyper speed attack to stay out of range and deliver 2 damage. or since theres no ranged attacks are allowed he can let them get close (hopefully miss him with their attack) then hyper speed attack

The only downside is his inability to get through invunerable or impercious. but he can break toughness so thats an important fact

[Ghost_Rider]

One minor nitpick, 18 defense is technically the third highest defense, because there is defense 20 on Ant Man.

Still, I don't consider Nightcrawler to be a brawler. If you put him up against Juggernaut, Nightcrawler wouldn't even be able to touch him. Nightcrawler is more of a harasser.

Ghost

[NateTG]

The best choices I can think of are:
OWAW Superman and Darkseid

[razzastuta]

Originally posted by redherringj
Come on... Vet Controller! His range is zero, so he fits the criteria and you can use other peeps' figs to do your dirty work.

I doubt Controller would be suitable, as there's no ranged attacks allowed, unless you can use the attack on the adjacent opposing figure. However, Vet Controller does get to do a damage of 3 a few clix down the dial. Right now tho, the true big hitter I own looks to be Doomsday (E), I think the Superman (V) and the OWAW Superman won't be allowed.

I do own a Ultron (V) tho - maybe he could do the job? I know he won't be able to use ranged attacks but he's got a bit of invulnerability....

[Soro]

actually nightcrawler could hurt juggernaught and the like with his hyper speed attack as long as he inflicts at least 3 damage before missing

[Logan Myrddin]

Superman, Our Worlds at War. Plain and simple. Nothing could beat him one on one short of a sentinel managing to pick him up. Fat chance. Problem is, He's an LE. But still, there isn't a brawler could take him on alone.

[Ghost_Rider]

Originally posted by Soro
actually nightcrawler could hurt juggernaught and the like with his hyper speed attack as long as he inflicts at least 3 damage before missing

True, but that is much easier said than done. Being base to base with Juggernaut is very risky. Nightcrawler does have Super Senses, but if they fail Juggernaut would roll him up into a little blue ball and toss him into a dumpster without a second thought.

Ghost

[PantherPriest]

Grundy Kill!

He's got 10 clix and doesn't let up, Swampthing would be another good choice, since he never seems to die.

Veteran Hulk would be good since he gets better as they get worse, and he gets leap climb. Only problem is his last and best clix are so near to death. If someone hits him for 4 clix on his 9 12 17 5 slot, he's done for, however if you play him right then they won't be able to do more than 3 clix by then.

Nightmare is a good choice, except for the fact that after he looses invulnerability he gets 1 click of toughness and then he has NO defensive powers. And in a game that will be dominated by superstrength he will be lacking.

But if eDoomsday is all you got, then he's a fine choice.

[Darkhawk_76]

None of the figures can fly or have a ranged attack. So no Superman in any form, no Magnetos, No Darkseid etc.

With that said, I'd go for LE Bruce Banner, V-Juggernaut, and V-Flash. I think V-Flash could beat them pretty easy. Someone said it before, Outwit defense, hit, run, repeat. Easy win.

[Greenandgold]

Flash

I don't know that he would be that effective since they are playing on a 10 x 10 grid (isn't that what he said?). Against She-Hulk, Flash would have to outwit her charge in order to not get hit.

[razzastuta]

Originally posted by Darkhawk_76
None of the figures can fly or have a ranged attack. So no Superman in any form, no Magnetos, No Darkseid etc.

No, flying figures WILL be able to enter the "Clix Royal Rumble", but they won't be allowed to SOAR, they can still hover, which means that grounded characters will be allowed to hit them. You're right in saying that no ranged attacks will be allowed. Needless to say, Hawkeye or any SHIELD Snipers really wouldn't be a good choice to put into the Wrestling Arena.

As for Supes, rumours are now that no figures over 200pts will be allowed, so that's his Veteran version definately out of it.

That's why I wondered if Ultron (V) would be also a good choice to enter. But I really think Doomsday (E) could be quite effective with CCE.

[hudson20]

Originally posted by Darkhawk_76
None of the figures can fly or have a ranged attack. So no Superman in any form, no Magnetos, No Darkseid etc.

With that said, I'd go for LE Bruce Banner, V-Juggernaut, and V-Flash. I think V-Flash could beat them pretty easy. Someone said it before, Outwit defense, hit, run, repeat. Easy win.

That only lasts for one turn, then your opponent walks up to you and you have to push to run away, or stand their and take a hit. Flash only does one damage, so you're oppoents gonna have a lotta chances.

[A_Higher_Level]

My calculations show that Hulk will win ANY "toe-to-toe" battle against any other character. No one grounded character can use RCE and without Outwit they can't get past his eventual Invulnerability and high stats.

HULK SMASH!!! HULK BASH!!!

[Neato-Magneto]

Yeah, V. Hulk won both of Sundevil's Base to Base tournaments over on the general forum


Go with Hulk.